Hi everybody,
I'm not sure if you all know about this already, but I found this yesterday:
40010 Amstrad IC in UK - 121spares (http://www.121spares.co.uk/40010/product-detail)
Before you all do what I did, though, and buy 10 - apparently there's a pricing error and they're actually £6.95 each. At least that's what he charged me when I tried to buy 10! Still a good price, though, and my one came today (ordered yesterday) and I've already tested it working in my later CPC464.
Just thought you might want to know. Apparently he has 20 left in stock.... You can email him here: sales at 121spares dot co dot uk if you want any. You can also try and buy them at his advertised price, but I suspect you won't get very far (I think it's a genuine mistake).
Hope that helps someone!
If it was a mistake he should have fixed it by now, but he hasn't.
It look to be 0.47£ each (that is a common price range for a logic IC).
So, I don't understand why you have payed "so much" for 10.
I think that mistake is what you payed...
But, nice to know that item available for fixing the CPC.
All I know is that £6.95 isn't a bad price for a custom ASIC... I'm happy to pay that much for it.
It is rather odd that he's not changed the price.. if someone here successfully buys one at that advertised price please post here!
At £6.95 it's a good price, at 50p it'd be a major bargain :)
Ok, so I just did the same thing (also tried to buy 10), and I too got an email:
"The order you paced was price incorrectly and the correct price is £6.95 per IC.
Would you like a full refund or I can agree to send one out for the total you paid in the order."
So I'm just getting 1 now. Still, I've got a fried 6128, and even if this doesn't fix it (the RAM is the main suspect) it's still a very useful spare to have.
Sure, you get the choice to be refunded and you probably done the good choice to keep them.
In fact, the seller try to find "how much" he can sold them... And now, he know that 6£ each is OK for 10 of them. :D
But great that you do that, to save them. :)
Unfortunately my burnt out 6128 is a really odd version that has a 40007 gate array. Hopefully this part can also be used without too much trouble.
It's not the same pinout... It work? :-\
cpcparts.net stopped giving them out for free I think.
Quote from: Munchausen on 17:11, 01 May 13
cpcparts.net stopped giving them out for free I think.
Yes, I have edited my post.
They look new?
Quote from: TotO on 17:11, 01 May 13
It's not the same pinout... It work? :-\
I have no idea. It is recorded on the CPC wiki here: Mainboard Versions - CPCWiki (http://www.cpcwiki.eu/index.php/Mainboard_Versions)
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MC0057AI guess I may have to make an adapter board for it or something, I'm not really sure yet. Hopefully it is still working...
Sure, it's a strange version...
May be better to find a 40007 from a dead 464 to fix it.
The 40010 I ordered looks brand new, yes. I was half expecting it to turn up and be something completely different... goodness knows how he ended up with 21 CPC6128 ASICs (or how long he's had them for and nobody knew about them!).
Quote from: TotO on 17:21, 01 May 13
Sure, it's a strange version...
May be better to find a 40007 from a dead 464 to fix it.
Yeah I guess so, though I hate breaking one computer to fix another. The gate array is really the only completely irreplaceable part in a CPC (especially the 464 which doesn't have a PAL for banking), so if I take one from a 464 it will truly kill it.
Actually, does anyone know the contents of the PAL so it could be replaced? Meaning the 40031 IC...
I'd really hope that the 6128 just has dead RAM, then it will not be so hard to repair. I have another 6128 but it's in almost 100% new condition (and boxed) so I want to get my old one fixed and then put the good one away for safe keeping. Plus, the dead one is the one I grew up with, so I just have to revive it! If anyone finds somewhere to get a reasonable price for RAM ICs I'd be interested...
Quote from: Munchausen on 17:32, 01 May 13
Yeah I guess so, though I hate breaking one computer to fix another.
You own a uncommon version of the 6128... Adding a 40010 on it may need to hack your board... It's worst.
40007 IC can be found sometime on ebay, if you don't want to "hurt" a 464 defective computer.
Quote from: Munchausen on 17:32, 01 May 13
Actually, does anyone know the contents of the PAL so it could be replaced? Meaning the 40031 IC...
I don't know if anybody has dumped it.
One of my early 464s had a bad 40007. I'm going to take the 40007 out of one of my other later 464s with two ASIC locations, put a 40010 in it instead (in the hole marked "40010" :) ), and convert it to as if it were always meant for a 40010.
That way both 464s live again!
Oh that's a good point, I wonder if my 464 can take a 40010. Then I'm sorted. Is there anything to swapping a 40007 with a 40010 in a 464, besides desoldering one and soldering the other one in?
EDIT - my 464 already has a 40010 :(
Given the fact I have about 6 464s, I may be able to find another board with two sockets and a good 40007. Then if you could get me a working 40010 I could let you have the 40007 in exchange..?
If you do have one this would be great! I could just send you the 40010 I just bought in exchange for a 40007. Then I don't even need to do the swap - I can just put the 40007 in my dead 6128 and leave the 464 alone. let me know and then I'll PM you when the 40010 arrives.
Thanks! :D
Quote from: Munchausen on 17:09, 01 May 13
Unfortunately my burnt out 6128 is a really odd version that has a 40007 gate array. Hopefully this part can also be used without too much trouble.
Very weird thing , saw this one working or you got it already fried ?
Quote from: fano on 18:51, 01 May 13
Very weird thing , saw this one working or you got it already fried ?
I had it working for 25 years, so it definitely uses the 40007. I accidentally blew it using a 12V PSU (I had a PSU with 12V and 5V with the same plugs, and used the wrong one).
OK, I have just ordered one for 61p, if he wants me to pay £6 should I pay it?, it seems like he is chancing his arm, trying to see how much buyers will pay.
You'll get the same email... he must be tired of writing it now. :)
Still don't know why he doesn't just change the price!!
He's obviously not aware of the current consumer protection laws. If he offers it for 61p then he also has to sell it for that price.
I tried ordering some, but ordering from a German PC is impossible. I need to use the AltGr key to type @ in my email address and the site blocks this key. It also blocks copy/pasting, so I have no way of completing the form... What a twat.
Bryce.
Quote from: Bryce on 08:33, 02 May 13
He's obviously not aware of the current consumer protection laws. If he offers it for 61p then he also has to sell it for that price.
I tried ordering some, but ordering from a German PC is impossible. I need to use the AltGr key to type @ in my email address and the site blocks this key. It also blocks copy/pasting, so I have no way of completing the form... What a twat.
Bryce.
not always true.
He can claim that it was a mistake and either not accept payment or refund it.
That is common practice now.
Yes, but he'd have a problem claiming it was a mistake when it's been offered at that price for so long.
Bryce.
Especially given I alerted him to the mistake 3 days ago. I think any court would claim he had culpability, and that he had to sell it for that price.
If it were a massively inflated price, I think I'd treat it differently, but as I'm happy with the £6.95 pricetag (and to be fair, it's worth more than that) I'm inclined to just say What the Heck and let it pass.
And to his credit, I did receive a shiny new, working 40010 the very next day after ordering.
I just modded my 40007 464 to use my new 40010, so that I have a 40007 to swap. :)
Just change the resistors highlighted with the values I've put in, remove the two 1 Watt 12 Ohm resistors in the white shoe-lace type insulators, and replace the capacitor with a wire link as in the photo.
I've not tested thoroughly, but so far it looks perfect!
(Needless to say I take no responsibility if you try this and it blows up or something).
Quote from: Spirantho on 11:35, 02 May 13
I just modded my 40007 464 to use my new 40010, so that I have a 40007 to swap. :)
Just change the resistors highlighted with the values I've put in, remove the two 1 Watt 12 Ohm resistors in the white shoe-lace type insulators, and replace the capacitor with a wire link as in the photo.
I've not tested thoroughly, but so far it looks perfect!
(Needless to say I take no responsibility if you try this and it blows up or something).
That's awesome! I'll let you know when mine arrives and we can do the swap ;)
Quote from: Spirantho on 09:12, 02 May 13
Especially given I alerted him to the mistake 3 days ago. I think any court would claim he had culpability, and that he had to sell it for that price.
Sadly, that's not true. If something is mispriced, the seller can either choose to honour the correct price or refuse to sell you the item. There's nothing to compel them to complete a sale until the point when money is taken and goods are provided.
It does get a bit trickier legally if they've already accepted payment, but I think companies are still permitted to cancel the order and refund the money in full. Obviously, most big companies e.g. supermarkets or high street chains don't because it generates bad will and they can generally afford to absorb the cost of the mistake.
I don't take care about the 2 GA sockets on the 6128 ! :D
For anyone interested, I found an affordable source of RAM ICs (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/DRAM-Dynamic-RAM-64kx1-MB8264-15-M5K4164ANP-15-HM4864P-2-HM4864AP-15-8-pcs-/161003480888) (at least I'm 99% sure these are compatible).
They're used, but fingers crossed they're ok (I bought 24 in case some don't work).
I'll let you know how it goes when I get around to swapping them.
If it's 4164s you're after, you can still buy them new here too: 4164-120 - RAM 64K X 1 bei reichelt elektronik (http://www.reichelt.de/Drams-Srams/4164-120/3/index.html?;ACTION=3;LA=2;ARTICLE=2460;GROUPID=2954;artnr=4164-120)
Bryce.
I just stocked up from that eBay guy too. :) $21 for 24 chips - that's good value!
Well, I have not yet received my 61p chip, in fact I had totally forgotten about it until I saw the unread threads, I have just sent them an email about it.
Has anyone received theirs yet?
If you only paid 61p I strongly suspect you won't be getting anything any time soon.
I'd check your spam filter as he's responded to other people I believe - he certainly did for me.
I also had to pay £2 postage, they have taken the money from my account so I expect to receive it, but they seem to be taking their time sending it.
How did you pay them? If you paid them directly (e.g. Paypal), they didn't take any money from your account - you gave them money from your account, which is quite different.
Did you check your spam filter? I'd be very surprised if he did send you anything - especially as when I ordered mine it arrived the next day.
I paid by debit card, I have not received any emails at all from them, if they take my money, they must send me a chip.
The chip is still listed at 61p and in stock so they cannot tell me it is incorrectly pricedor out of stock.
I paid £6 or whatever for mine.. and it came two days later. I got the mail I posted on the previous page later the same day I ordered it. Contact them and ask what's going on?
Bad news, I am not getting one >:( , They said they did send me an email, but there is no sign of it my end, they asked if I wanted to pay £6.95 or have a refund, so I opted for a refund.
I did not need one of these chips, I just ordered one to see if they would send it as if they do not change the price when they know it is wrong, they have (in my opinion) a legal and moral obligation to sell it at the advertised price. >:(
And they have still not changed the price!.
It must be easier to change a web page than to send out all these e-mails. I think someone should report it as fraud. There's no reasonable explanation for leaving the price at 61p.
Bryce.
It's not fraud - he's not taking any money without refunding it, and he is (usually at least) sending emails informing of the error. It's just dumb. I don't understand why he doesn't change it... but he's only harming himself.
I think at this stage you could legally enforce him to sell it at the cheaper price, as he's only allowed to change the price in case of an error, and as we've alerted him to the error and he's not changed it, that's not a viable option.
Of course in reality, the lawyers fees to enforce this would cost more than 1000 ULAs so it's just not worth it.
Delibrately and knowingly advertising something at a 9% of its actual price IS fraud.
Bryce.
Of course it's fraud, charging or not charging, refunding or not.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bait-and-switch (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bait-and-switch)
I appreciate what you're all saying, but think this issue needs some perspective...
1) it's obviously a small company
2) he probably doesn't do his run/maintain his website
3) it's not a high ticket or common item
Therefore, it would be entirely reasonable if, for example, a third party (could be an company or brother/son/cousin/kid from down the road etc) does his website to say "I can't update the website/price myself but as soon as anyone has bought the item I've taken immediate steps to notify them of the error (email) and offer a refund straight away".
It's not as if he's advertising £300 TVs for £3 (remember Tesco anyone?). This is an Amstrad chip that maybe 20 people in the whole world are interested in buying. 20 * £6 = £120. Hardly 'fraud' is it, and quite possibly has a very reasonable explanation.
Has anyone emailed to actually ask why the price is wrong?
Actually, to be honest, I'm inclined to believe now that it is deliberate fraud, even though at first I thought it was probably just a mistake. The law also doesn't make a distinction on how big the trader is or how many people are likely to be taken in by the fraud.
The simple fact is that this guy has a website that clearly has inventory and price levels for a lot of stock. If this guy genuinely cannot correct a pricing mistake within 2 weeks of being notified there's a problem, then he shouldn't be operating the website at all. I'd excuse the guy if it took a week to update his prices on the web - after all, smaller companies might only update this once a week, but after 2 weeks there's quite clearly something a foot.
The fact that he clearly has stock available, and e.g. told the guy who'd ordered 10 at that price that the price was wrong, but he'd sell him one for the price of 10, he's clearly using the artificially low price to encourage people to buy from him. This is classic bait-and-switch, and falls under "unfair business practices" in the UK. He'd get a massive bollocking and probably a large fine from Trading Standards if someone reported him for this, because it is fraud now it's gone beyond the point of being a simple mistake.
That many people here have tried to order this product at the advertised price over a period of several weeks and there's still been no attempt to correct the price shows that he's clearly trying it on.
Quote from: ralferoo on 11:27, 20 May 13
Actually, to be honest, I'm inclined to believe now that it is deliberate fraud, even though at first I thought it was probably just a mistake. The law also doesn't make a distinction on how big the trader is or how many people are likely to be taken in by the fraud.
Well, the information is all available online should you need it:
Contact Details:
E121 Retail Group Ltd
35-38 River Street
Digbeth
Birmingham
B5 5SA
Tel: 0121 241 8796
URL: 121Spares (http://www.121spares.co.uk)
Email: sales@121spares.co.uk
Registered office:
E121 Retail Group Ltd
2 Wheeleys Road
Edgbaston
Birmingham
B15 2LD
Company No. 07274129
Director: Mr Jeevah Singh
Birmingham Trading Standards
URL: Trading Standards - Birmingham City Council (http://www.birmingham.gov.uk/tradingstandards)
Email: tradingstandards@birmingham.gov.uk
After more than a month the price is still 'wrong'.
What's more, they say on their site (and they prohibit right-clicking and copying text - that alone places them in my "assholes" list:D ):
Quote
121spares is a leading online provider of Electronic accessories and spares to the private and public sector. A trading name of e121 Retail Group Ltd, 121spares has developed excellent relationships with leading brands and manufacturers.
With over 20 years experience and a portfolio of over 20,000 Electronic products from all the leading manufacturers, 121spares are an independent supplier, offering great deals for businesses and the home.
121spares operates from a 20,000 sq.Ft Distribution Centre in the West Midlands and with over 1 million models listed, 121spares is confident in finding the correct spare parts for your electronic products.
With significant inventory holding, this has enabled 121spares to despatch all orders before 5pm the same day.
121spares hopes you find your shopping experience an enjoyable one and welcome any feedback you wish to send.
So, according to them, no, they're not a small shop.
They welcome feedback.... Should we all leave some? :D
Bryce.
I'm interested. Someone in UK to try again to order 17 of them for 9.99£ ?
(and cancel if the price is not what is expected)
The price look "OK" for an IC... Many website sold IC in a range of 0.20$ to 0.80$.
Keep in mind that they get them in stock since 25 years and don't sold them, so better to free the stock.
Never accept to buy if the price dramatically change ; A day, they will accept to sold them at the price displayed.
(may be, because the people that will process the order will be a different guy)
I did briefly consider it. There's a price "break" at 3 chips, so it goes down from 61p to 47p per chip. So, you can get 3 chips including postage for 3.50, which seemed good.
I was going to order some for spares but then it occurred to me that I don't actually need any and it's pointless hassle because I already know he's going to try to weasle out of a sale.
Order them for me then, it won't let me order at all. I'll take 10 :) But only at 47p each.
Bryce.
Another ten for me, just for the heck of it.
I just contact him and the answer was:
The price is actually 9.95 each, it is mistake
It's my mistake or the price seems to have a strong "inflation" trend? :)
A few months ago was about 6pounds, and know got to almost 10pounds!
By the end of 2015 he will probably sell each for 100pounds....
Although i really need one 40010,i also HATE these "loan shark" and "black market" practices....
The problem is,if you want this kind of proprietar chip from amstrad are there any alternatives?
Quote from: ikonsgr on 11:33, 14 April 14
I just contact him and the answer was:
The price is actually 9.95 each, it is mistake
It's my mistake or the price seems to have a strong "inflation" trend? :)
A few months ago was about 6pounds, and know got to almost 10pounds!
By the end of 2015 he will probably sell each for 100pounds....
Although i really need one 40010,i also HATE these "loan shark" and "black market" practices....
The problem is,if you want this kind of proprietar chip from amstrad are there any alternatives?
I suggest saying to him that you know the price was £6.95 in May and will only buy at that price.
I kind of already did that. The email exchange goes like this:
Me: On product detail info page says 0.61pounds/item including tax. Maybe you should correct this.
Store:Yes i will (he still changing price in the last 8 months...) , do you still need the item?
Me: Well, yes i still need the item, but at such price, if i have to buy 2 chips and add shipping to greece, i could possibly find a hole amstrad cpc from here!If you could sell it for ~5-6pounds i will consider it.
Store:Sorry but we cannot sell for that amount. they are popular and we sell many. 9.95 is the price!!!!!!!! :o
Save the outrageous tactic of constantly raising the price,and supposing he is telling the truth, the REAL issue for me here, is all the people who submit to this obscene overcharging and willingly pay 10pounds+postage for this f@cking ic!!! Because if NO ONE bought it at this price the store would be forced to drop the price!
I recently bought a Z80 cpu/20Mhz and one CRTC 6845 (much more complicated and expensive to made ic's than @#$% 40010) and i paid about 5pounds!!!!
Bottom line: if you have no brains,no patience (and perhaps no dignity...) you pay for anything what ever they ask you.... :(
That is terrible. I really hesitated to buy for £6.95... I would not do it for £10.
And the last episode of the "series": I told him that someone i know bought this some months ago, at almost 50% less cost, and the reply was:
Sorry, we buy more and the cost increase for us from supplier!!!! :o
And what are the conclusions from that?
- There is a "supplier" that makes new proprietary amstrad chips in 2014....
- The increase in volume purchased, results in INCREASE of price/item!!!! :o
I wonder, does this person REALLY believe that i'm so STUPID to bite this b@llshit???
Quote from: ikonsgr on 10:24, 15 April 14
- There is a "supplier" that makes new proprietary amstrad chips in 2014....
I've seen numerous places on the web stating that they can supply the 40010 in volume quantities (you must ask for a quote). Some of these will just be saying they have because they think that they can source it if anyone asks (hence you have to ask for a quote), but I wouldn't have thought it's impossible or even unlikely that a few places do have limited stockpiles of them somewhere.
If we could do a volume order it might be possible to try this and get a better price, but really someone would need to commit to buying a load and selling them on as and when people want them. If I had spare funds I'd be happy to do this, but unfortunately I can't and suspect that's the same for most other Amstrad guys that would like to do the same.
A better solution in the long run might be an actual 40010 replacement using some sort of programmable logic.
I'm afraid none of this helps you right now though :(
I made a little search my self too, and found out the same thing you say, there seems to be rather big number of "amstrad 40010" suppliers.
But unfortunately none of them sell retail. You can only ask for rather large quantities to get a price. :(
So for the moment i will try to revive my second amstrad and keep it as a "back up" without a 40010 installed
I may have a 40010, no idea if it works or not.
it's in a box with other bits.
If you find it i would be more than happy to buy it!
Until then, i hope the "stock market" price would not exceed 100pounds... :)
I have the possibility to order from some normally commercial only suppliers, but none of them have a 40010. Can you send me links to a few of them and I'll see what I can do.
Bryce.
Check the first 8 entries in this (http://www.brokerforum.com/components-parts/popular-electronic-parts-AMSTRAD%2040010-c-en.jsa) (although i'm not sure that by "amstrad 40010" they mean the same thing ::) )
Also i found this (http://www.wiltsgrove.co.uk/product-details.php?catid=0030&subid=0500&itemid=40010) which doesn't have a price although avaliability says:in stock (i send them a request and wait for answer...)
I have asked to the first this morning... Waiting a price.
Quote from: ikonsgr on 21:35, 15 April 14
Check the first 8 entries in this (http://www.brokerforum.com/components-parts/popular-electronic-parts-AMSTRAD%2040010-c-en.jsa) (although i'm not sure that by "amstrad 40010" they mean the same thing ::) )
Also i found this (http://www.wiltsgrove.co.uk/product-details.php?catid=0030&subid=0500&itemid=40010) which doesn't have a price although avaliability says:in stock (i send them a request and wait for answer...)
Ok. I was going to send a request to the second link you sent, but the twats have badly written protection which blocks me from putting the @ symbol in my e-mail address and then complains that the e-mail address is not valid????
Bryce.
Not sure how you're doing it, just tried it and it lets me input an email addy fine...?
Quote from: Gryzor on 16:24, 17 April 14
Not sure how you're doing it, just tried it and it lets me input an email addy fine...?
I think it's because we are using different language keyboards. On a German keyboard you get the @ symbol by pressing "Alt Gr" and "Q". As soon as I press the "Alt Gr" key it pops up a copyright shite window, try it. You can't copy or paste either so I've no way of getting and @ Symbol into that field.
Bryce.
You make it sound like the supplier doesn't want to contact with anyone from Germany... or at least with a German keyboard :D
One suggestion: If you add another keyboard layout and try to type '@' using this?
Yeah, I could have done that, but it seemed like too much hassle at the time (and it still does :) ).
Bryce.
Quote from: ikonsgr on 18:29, 15 April 14
If you find it i would be more than happy to buy it!
Until then, i hope the "stock market" price would not exceed 100pounds... :)
I have 2 x 40007 (464 gate-array). Both may not work.
They are in a box with other components.
Last month, I have missed close to 10 Amstrad parts (including 2x40010) on Ebay. The auction ended for around 5$... :(
So, I have added a "circuits" section on CentPourCent [dot net] (http://www.centpourcent.net/store/c4/Circuits.html) for peoples who need them for fixing our good old CPC.
I have ordered some CRTC, Z80, PIO that I'm waiting with others IC for the X-MEM expansion.
I can order FDC, SED, AY and DRAM IC too, if wished. I hope to be able to store some GA so... Crossing fingers.
You can support the idea by helping me to grow-up the stock by sending unused parts instead of using ebay... Or sending funds (http://www.centpourcent.net/store/p68/Supporting_parts%21.html).
Next, you will be free to get all parts for the same trading value! :)
Thanks,
TotO.
Quote from: Bryce on 19:59, 17 April 14
I think it's because we are using different language keyboards. On a German keyboard you get the @ symbol by pressing "Alt Gr" and "Q". As soon as I press the "Alt Gr" key it pops up a copyright shite window, try it. You can't copy or paste either so I've no way of getting and @ Symbol into that field.
Bryce.
Oh wow. What sort of crap, wasn't that abolished in the Web Design World Convention back in '98? What fuckers!
Still, disabling JS will allow you to do what you want :)
Tot0: I think I have a box of µPD765 FDCs here and I probably have quite a few SEDs too. So if anyone enquires you can send them my way. No point in both of us having stock piles.
Bryce.
OK, thanks.
For information, I have updated the CentPourCent [dot net] parts and circuits.
I got some 40007 and 40010 Gate Array if peoples remains interrested. ;)