The MSX to CPC adapter, which I mentioned here...
http://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/amstrad-cpc-hardware/msx-to-cpc-io-hardware-adapter/ (http://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/amstrad-cpc-hardware/msx-to-cpc-io-hardware-adapter/)
...finally became reality thanks to TMT Logic ( http://www.tmtlogic.com )!
It's now called AMSDAP - Amstrad MSx aDAPter - and is able to connect any MSX I/O based hardware to the CPC.
Today I received an alpha version of the adapter and made some first tests with the SE-ONE, a hardware by TMT LOGIC which is able to play MP3s (compatible to the Sunrise MP3MSX card from 2007) and FM Radio via a real antenna.
Here is a short video about it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvlGBS3nNiY (https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DvvlGBS3nNiY&h=ATPKWXzMafMaOrCuGVTdTVA29WMTyZEkCw0lsIzxFr0xNGG7G77377l1sMc-8kqDI_Hwf1WCNP5Y5t8OLTaEbxOvznBiuTaRncVjHbmaxGI0BsWEhFcIyJGubQAN96HG1z2dx6d6gw)
What is this sorcery?
Quote from: khaz on 22:17, 11 October 17
What is this sorcery?
The sorcerer who build it? He is dutch :) They probably have a lot of sorcerer and druids there :P
I was reading your other thread and the memory mapping problem. Can some future hardware, carefully memory mapped, work on both systems? Are there limitations?
The MSX has a quite brilliant memory slot system which is very specific and based on memory mapping and a clever ROM-system for plug'n'play for external hardware. No idea if it's possibe to implement it for the CPC, but I am not hardware guy.
But this is only for mass storage devices (mainly), not for the other types of hardware.
First MSX hardware has been tested very successfully with AMSDAP, for more information have a look here (http://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/amstrad-cpc-hardware/mp3-player-for-the-amstrad-cpc/).
Amazing Hardware :o :o :o
Hmmmm, could I connect my Sony HBD-50 floppy controller to it? :)
Bryce.
Indeed another amazing achievement!
It's hard to keep up with all the hardware goodies surfacing for the CPC lately!
/ygdrazil
Quote from: XeNoMoRPH on 09:41, 16 October 17
Amazing Hardware :o :o :o
Yesterday I connected an original Graphics9000 graphic card to the CPC via the AMSDAP for the first time, and today I was able to run the first tests of the SymbOS low level graphic driver.
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(the left monitor is showing the output of the G9K, which is the black catridge (currently MSX catridges have to be inserted into the AMSDAP prototyp in the reverse way)
The first simple ones are working so far. It is just to prove, that this third hardware is working fine with AMSDAP and the CPC, too. More complex tests will follow.
WoW :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o
Soon we have 16 colors on the CPC in SymbOS back again! :D :D
Can you use the CPC powergraph board from tecnobytes at the same time as this adapter?
Quote from: Munchausen on 12:28, 17 October 17Can you use the CPC powergraph board from tecnobytes at the same time as this adapter?
Yes, it can be used at the same time. The AMSDAP is not much more like the normal CPC expansion bus with swapped pins and additional fixes and modifications (like the sound output connector).
We decided to move the port range now completely to #FFxx, so all MSX I/O devices (which are always 8bit -> #00-#FF) will be mapped to #FF00-#FFFF.
Tecnobytes took this port range for their CPC V9990 powergraph as well, it will now be accessible via ports #FF60-#FF67, that means, it will be fully compatible to an existing MSX V9990 Graphic9000 cards connected via AMSDAP.
Quote from: Prodatron on 15:02, 17 October 17
We decided to move the port range now completely to #FFxx, so all MSX I/O devices (which are always 8bit -> #00-#FF) will be mapped to #FF00-#FFFF.
That is of course a problem for users of the CPC(Mini)-Booster(+) or the ECB adapter (ok, nobody cares about this one). It would be great to use "free" ports. It would be really great if you could split the ports to &FDxx and &FFxx as you proposed before, because SF2 and CPCB leave enough room. Maybe &FD80...FF and &FF80...FF. That would make the amsdap compatible :-)
There are several reasons for this decission:
- software accessing the hardware will run on both the CPC and the MSX, if 16bit ports are used; the MSX just ignores the upper 8bits, so if you OUT something to #FFxx, it's fine for both machines (CPC will see #FFxx, MSX will see #xx); that adds another level of platform independency, now not only for software, but even for hardware; if you shift parts of the port ranges this wouldn't be possible
- TBH: Who is using the CPC Booster (original, mini, plus, whatever...) today, when everyone is now owning Dukes' M4Board? With the availability of the M4Board it is more or less needless
- if you really still need it (maybe your software doesn't run with the M4Board?), just do it and take care not to connect MSX hardware, which could cause a conflict; Moonsound and Graphics9000 will still work fine together with the old Booster
- and of course: Keep it simple ;) no additional CPLD is required for AMSDAP
Sounds logical to me, sacrificing a bit of compatibility with other add-ons for easier and more compatible software support - especially when this isn't just one add on, but a bridge to a wide range of add-ons.
so this supports the MSX V9990 on the CPC? that's a big plus for people with both platforms - one less thing to buy!
Quote from: keith56 on 04:31, 19 October 17so this supports the MSX V9990 on the CPC? that's a big plus for people with both platforms - one less thing to buy!
Yes, the Graphics9000 (V9990 for the MSX) is fully working on my CPC with the AMSDAP so far!
About Software compatibility... well, just change one port in the source code. You can use an IF CPC / IF MSX construction even in Maxam.
The Booster is a great piece of hardware, and M4 has no extra CPU, no DAC, no AD WAV making thing and no RS485 local area network (independent of the PC or internet).
I'm sure that AMSDAP is a great innovation, but why sacrificing hardware compatibility for no reason?
Maybe you guys can sleep over and think about it again. Would be nice. :) :) :)
Quote from: GUNHED on 13:19, 19 October 17The Booster is a great piece of hardware
Its relevant software (Arkos ROM pack) was in general only using the RS232 part, with which you could transfer files and data between the CPC and a PC. That's the reason why the Booster isn't needed anymore since the M4Board. An RS232 interface is exotic today for modern PCs/Notebooks/etc. anyway.
Quote from: GUNHED on 13:19, 19 October 17and M4 has [...] no RS485 local area network (independent of the PC or internet).
Do you really think, that people want an RS485 local area network today?
Quote from: GUNHED on 13:19, 19 October 17Maybe you guys can sleep over and think about it again.
No thanks, instead of sleeping we are more focused on improving things and developing new stuff.
One of these, I need!
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Really impressive the hardware devices launched for CPC: M4, this one... We are reaching a really high level in hardware!
Moreover, MSX and CPC are my 2 favourites system, I would be glad to get them "connected" :) :)
Good luck, really!
Quote from: Prodatron on 22:49, 18 October 17
There are several reasons for this decission:
- software accessing the hardware will run on both the CPC and the MSX, if 16bit ports are used; the MSX just ignores the upper 8bits, so if you OUT something to #FFxx, it's fine for both machines (CPC will see #FFxx, MSX will see #xx); that adds another level of platform independency, now not only for software, but even for hardware; if you shift parts of the port ranges this wouldn't be possible
Totally agree here, that AMSDAP use the "same" range ports on both machines is a HUGE way of simplify things!
keep the good work going @Prodatron (http://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=13) (and all the people involved!)
P.D. if AMSDAP makes the Graphics9000 work, is there still need for a dedicated CPC board? (i paid for one!), maybe is a little slower with the adaptor?
Quote from: Joseman on 11:21, 20 October 17
Totally agree here, that AMSDAP use the "same" range ports on both machines is a HUGE way of simplify things!
keep the good work going @Prodatron (http://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=13) (and all the people involved!)
P.D. if AMSDAP makes the Graphics9000 work, is there still need for a dedicated CPC board? (i paid for one!), maybe is a little slower with the adaptor?
The biggest challenge I'm facing with porting my game to the other systems is the differing graphics system on the CPC vs MSX vs ZX spectrum
The MSX, CPC, and 128k Speccy all have the same sound chip, and the DiskIO and the other system differences are pretty trivial - having this thing available on the CPC+MSX is going to really encourage MSX developers to consider extending support to the CPC
As I said before, if this was available for the speccy too, it would be absolutely awesome, but I understand the reasons mentioned why this is unlikely.
Quote from: Joseman on 11:21, 20 October 17P.D. if AMSDAP makes the Graphics9000 work, is there still need for a dedicated CPC board? (i paid for one!), maybe is a little slower with the adaptor?
It's not slower with the Adapter, it both will behave in exactly the same way. I also paid for the CPC version, but I don't think that was a bad decision, as prices are the same for the CPC and the MSX version of the V9990 Powergraph. If you only want the V9990, then the dedicated one would be already enough. But the adapter brings additional possibilities.
@keith56 (http://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=1886), I completely agree with you!
Quote from: keith56 on 12:26, 20 October 17As I said before, if this was available for the speccy too, it would be absolutely awesome, but I understand the reasons mentioned why this is unlikely.
I am not experienced with the ZX Spectrum so much, but when having a quick look at the expansion bus...
https://faqwiki.zxnet.co.uk/wiki/ZX_Spectrum_edge_connector
...I don't see a reason, why such an MSX adapter shouldn't be possible for the Spectrum as well? I can ask TNT Logic, if they would be interested in such a project, too, but then they probably need help and support from a ZX Spectum expert :)
Quote from: Prodatron on 23:51, 19 October 17
Its relevant software (Arkos ROM pack) was in general only using the RS232 part, with which you could transfer files and data between the CPC and a PC. That's the reason why the Booster isn't needed anymore since the M4Board. An RS232 interface is exotic today for modern PCs/Notebooks/etc. anyway.
Do you really think, that people want an RS485 local area network today?
No thanks, instead of sleeping we are more focused on improving things and developing new stuff.
Haha, no, I meant to think over it (not to sleep over it). I know that you never sleep and your recent (last couple of years!) output is just absolutely amazing. My congratulation here for constant amazing work for the CPC (and other Z80 systems too).
However, everybody uses hardware (the CPC Booster f.e.) in a different way. Just because one person is not using a feature it doesn't mean that others wouldn't use it.
IMHO the AMSDAP would be more interesting if it could be used with the Booster together, but it's your baby, do what you want. :)
And if you want, you still can add a poll and ask people what they want (about the address range). :)
Around two weeks ago I received the (nearly?) final version of the AMSDAP adapter.
It is containing three Mother4X-like slots for normal CPC hardware and two MSX catridge slots for I/O based hardware.
TBH, running powerfull MSX hardware on the CPC is really cool!
This weekend we had the MSX meeting in Nijmegen/The Netherlands again, where it was running the whole time including the CPC version of the V9990 Powergraph:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16GFIp7LJR4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16GFIp7LJR4)
During this evening I made a very short video, showing the AMSDAP with my CPC hardware (M4 Board, X-MEM, Albireo) and MSX hardware (Graphics9000, SE-ONE):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSgS_Knmn6A (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSgS_Knmn6A)
working together very nice in SymbOS :)
It looks great! I think that has to be the 'most upgraded cpc ever!'
Any rough idea when it will be available for purchase?
Hy, i seen the adapter at the Mitwintermeeting.
It is a Brainblasting thing!
The GFX-Card ist superior, and the MP3/FM Module was playing MP3s all the time at the meeting, using SymbOS on the CPC:)
Funny, that no one thought of this in the past... ???
Perfect piece of Hardware! Hard to wait, to get my Hands on it.
Maybe Cards like the Playsonic are useable, adding the MasterSystem Video Chip, SID an much more RAM you can ever imagine for the CPC.
I am really excited, what will be possible in the Hands of Prodatron an other Programming Wizards!
Thank all the guys who programm and developing Hardware for the CPC, for the good an bright times!
Bye/Servus
Tolkin
Quote from: Tolkin on 21:18, 11 February 18
Maybe Cards like the Playsonic are useable, adding the MasterSystem Video Chip, SID an much more RAM you can ever imagine for the CPC.
Yeahhh real SNpsg & SID musics on our CPC
I have a new gfx card shortly.
the GFX-NINE SCART, improved clone of the MSX GFX9000
Quote from: TMTLOGIC on 17:19, 02 July 18
I have a new gfx card shortly.
the GFX-NINE SCART, improved clone of the MSX GFX9000
... I have the Powergraph, but still haven't done anything with it. Is there any software besides SymbOS that does something with the card? It would be nice if people would also think of supporting the native OS... not everybody is using SymbOS or FutureOS. The customer base will be much larger if you add some driver support for the native CPC OS for these cool devices. Without (driver) software to support them, they are just bricks of silicon.
Quote from: LambdaMikel on 19:07, 03 July 18
It would be nice if people would also think of supporting the native OS...
Hmmm, difficult.
What support can maybe be possible?
- Games, i think only with 1:1 displayed as in the normal CPC-Mode (no Advantage). This Support must be come from the Firmware of the GFX-Card, to handle Pokes to C000 ?!
- "Mode 3", only for Text-Display?
I will ask the MSX users ,if there is z80 asm code can be found online
the GFX uses port & ff60 - & ff6f
... and the same applies for the other devices. If there was a simple program or RSX command for the MP3 player extensions I would buy it immediately for example.
Quote from: LambdaMikel on 16:50, 04 July 18
... and the same applies for the other devices.
That's correct,
btw. my FAT32-Support for the Symbiface 3 (one of TMTLOGIC's other cards) is finished, I'm only working on the HXC-Interface as an MassStorage-Device, which has actual Problems with XOR-Cracks. (after that i will release that ROM)
Quote from: LambdaMikel on 19:07, 03 July 18
.. not everybody is using SymbOS or FutureOS. The customer base will be much larger if you add some driver support for the native CPC OS for these cool devices. Without (driver) software to support them, they are just bricks of silicon.
Don't get me wrong, I am extremely impressed by SymbOS and FutureOS, it is just that I am "old school" hence my preference for the native OS.
Quote from: LambdaMikel on 17:38, 04 July 18
it is just that I am "old school" hence my preference for the native OS.
Me too ;)
I'm only develop for native OS :o :D
So I'm dreaming of my own GFX9000, but only for native OS.
But where to start the OS-Support of the Card, where is the target of native OS-Support?
At the Moment i dont' have visions :(
Hi Guys, here is a great Z80-library for the V9990 (Graphics 9000) by MSD:
https://www.teambomba.net/gfx9klib.html (https://www.teambomba.net/gfx9klib.html)
If I got it correctly, Technobytes was using this lib for creating the CPC powergraph demo. Maybe someone can port it to the CPC? The only thing which have to be done is to convert all 8bit I/O-commands to 16bit I/O. For the SymbOS low level graphic driver that was quite easy.
Unfortunately I was lazy during the last 8 monthes, but I am planing to release something this weekend.
Quote from: Prodatron on 00:48, 05 July 18
but I am planing to release something this weekend.
Best news on my last 3 months!!
Can you describe "something"? :P
The AMSDAP42
Ask Prodatron for information.
Hmmm... I would buy one IF it had an edge connector option... :(
Any chance you can add an edge (for the edge connector) to it?
If I ever make a new development I will think about it,
new hardware is often used as IDC.
edge connector PCBs are more expensive because of the gold-plated contacts.
I do not see any progress in edge connectors
Quote from: TMTLOGIC on 18:23, 07 July 18
If I ever make a new development I will think about it,
new hardware is often used as IDC.
edge connector PCBs are more expensive because of the gold-plated contacts.
I do not see any progress in edge connectors
Exactly, my friend, it is not about progress but making sure that CPC 464 users can connect their existing hardware to new boards for RETRO computers. :P If it wasn't for compatibility of new hardware with old retro hardware, then what's the point of it? We could just run our CPC software on emulators. But we don't ;)
I understand you. it can be solved to make a small adapter pcb. from IDC to edge
which popular cards have a finger edge connector?
Please, NO more adapters, cables, add ons, ... the more cables, the more voltage drop, the less reliable, the more mess :P All we need is a clean "all in one solution".Why not simply add it?? Enough with all these jiggsaw puzzle pieces that put together in the end won't work reliably. Let's have a clean all in one solution, once and for all, for ALL CPC users and hardware.
Here is the list:
- http://www.cpcwiki.eu/index.php/Amstrad_External_Disk_Drive
- http://www.cpcwiki.eu/index.php/Dk%27tronics_Speech_Synthesizer
- http://www.cpcwiki.eu/index.php/Amstrad_SSA-1_Speech_Synthesizer
- https://www.sellmyretro.com/offer/details/DDI3-USB-floppy-emulator-for-amstrad-cpc-464-11223
- http://www.cpcwiki.eu/index.php/Dk%27tronics_Lightpen
- http://www.cpcwiki.eu/index.php/Dk%27tronics_Memory_Expansion_Gallery
and and and...
For example, the DDI3 does NOT work if you are using an adapter and a cable at the end of MotherX4 - voltage drop is too high. Either due to diode on MotherX4, or some other electrical problem. It would be great if these problems could be avoided with your extension board. The problems with MotherX4 and DDI3 was the main motivation for doing this board: https://oshpark.com/shared_projects/fCGxBoNY (https://oshpark.com/shared_projects/fCGxBoNY)
thanks, note: the AMSDAP does not use diodes, there is an external 5v usb power connector
Quote from: TMTLOGIC on 16:48, 08 July 18
thanks, note: the AMSDAP does not use diodes, there is an external 5v usb power connector
Yes, the MotherX4 also has an exterrnal power connector. Guess what - same problem with DDI3 with or without power connector :P
I understand that CPC 464 is no longer the most popular machine in the CPC range, and most people probably don't have any of these problems. Nevertheless, I still continue pushing for 464 compatibility, of course I think your hardware development and products are great :) but it would be nice if all hardware developers could be more aware of the 464 user's needs. After all, the 464 is the most "iconic" CPC IMHO, as it started the whole range, so it deserves better recognition and support ;) If you google for Amstrad CPC, you will get what - a picture of a CPC 464, not a 6128 ;)
Quote from: LambdaMikel on 16:56, 08 July 18
Yes, the MotherX4 also has an exterrnal power connector. Guess what - same problem with DDI3 with or without power connector :P
I understand that CPC 464 is no longer the most popular machine in the CPC range, and most people probably don't have any of these problems. Nevertheless, I still continue pushing for 464 compatibility, of course I think your hardware development and products are great :) but it would be nice if all hardware developers could be more aware of the 464 user's needs. After all, the 464 is the most "iconic" CPC IMHO, as it started the whole range, so it deserves better recognition and support ;)
MotherX4 also has a diode on the power connector, so if the 0.7 voltage drop is the problem it won't fix things (just replace the 2 diodes with jumpers, and voila no more voltage drop).
An IDC to edge adapter PCB, should be a good solution, it can have short and thick traces, good connection on the IDC connector side and brand new plated edge connector (as long as it lasts). Should imo. be a solid solution and just as good as if the plated edge connector was on the PCB itself.
Quote from: Duke on 17:06, 08 July 18
MotherX4 also has a diode on the power connector, so if the 0.7 voltage drop is the problem it won't fix things (just replace the 2 diodes with jumpers, and voila no more voltage drop).
An IDC to edge adapter PCB, should be a good solution, it can have short and thick traces, good connection on the IDC connector side and brand new plated edge connector (as long as it lasts). Should imo. be a solid solution and just as good as if the plated edge connector was on the PCB itself.
I still dislike the wiggliness that comes with extra cables and adapters and all that. Why not simply put the PCB edge on the board... that gives increased stability also, for DDI3 etc. It just sits stable and straight on the table then without flying around connected to some loose ends.
Quote from: LambdaMikel on 17:09, 08 July 18
I still dislike the wiggliness that comes with extra cables and adapters and all that.
It could be as simple as this. Make a 90 degree and straight variant and you got it all covered :)
I like the MotherX4 (or Amsdap) to be flat on the table....
... and then, the DDI3 display is facing down towards the table? :o Can't find the strongly dislike button ;)
... since not everybody seems to know the DDI3, here is a pic
Quote from: LambdaMikel on 18:26, 08 July 18
... and then, the DDI3 display is facing down towards the table? :o Can't find the strongly dislike button ;)
Quote from: Duke on 17:18, 08 July 18
It could be as simple as this. Make a 90 degree and straight variant and you got it all covered :)
Quote from: LambdaMikel on 18:29, 08 July 18
... since not everybody seems to know the DDI3, here is a pic
Yeah it's quite a monster :P - Other than that it doesn't stick down 2-3-4 cm's like other old expansions (ie. DDI-1).
Quote from: Duke on 18:40, 08 July 18
Yeah it's quite a monster :P - Other than that it doesn't stick down 2-3-4 cm's like other old expansions (ie. DDI-1).
Right. Is that 2x3x4 cm thing some kind of "CPC dogma"? Who cares how big the expansion is as long as it does its job...
Quote from: LambdaMikel on 19:41, 08 July 18
Right. Is that 2x3x4 cm thing some kind of "CPC dogma"? Who cares how big the expansion is as long as it does its job...
I was referring to the point of the "mx4", "amsdap" or your board being flat on the table with an expansion plugged into the rear end of an
on pcb edge connector.Eitherway I think you misinterpretated my intention, I tried suggesting an imo. solid solution to your issue. Which turned out to be for pluging in the DDI-3, fair enough you have a point and it doesn't cost a dime to add an rear edge connector on the PCB.
Quote from: Duke on 19:53, 08 July 18
I was referring to the point of the "mx4", "amsdap" or your board being flat on the table with an expansion plugged into the rear end of an on pcb edge connector.
Eitherway I think you misinterpretated my intention, I tried suggesting an imo. solid solution to your issue. Which turned out to be for pluging in the DDI-3, fair enough you have a point and it doesn't cost a dime to add an rear edge connector on the PCB.
Appreciate your suggestions of course didn't mean to come along rude.
It is just that I have explored all these IMHO unsatisfactory solutions and
I would really strongly like to suggest to add the edge.
See I can connect the ddi3 with a cable to an IDC box header or an edge
Connector - see image below at the right. It is just that I don't
Like these solutions for reasons of stability and reliability.
Anybody can design their hardware the way they like of course.
Just saying that adding such an edge might give you some
More 464 customers.
Cheers Michael
Ah yes indeed I missed the 90 degree variant only looked at the image - clear case of read before you post on my side ;) That would work I have 90 degree IDC box headers.
I would still prefer the edge though.
I will try your suggestion / solution and report back.
So for this we would need the Straight IDC box headers not the angled ones.
Actually I would be very interested (CPC6128) in a Centronics Version of the card, and of course it would be great to also have a Centronics plug to add more expansions (four MX4 slots are not enough for me). :)
Quote from: TMTLOGIC on 18:23, 07 July 18
If I ever make a new development I will think about it,
new hardware is often used as IDC.
edge connector PCBs are more expensive because of the gold-plated contacts.
I do not see any progress in edge connectors
Great looking device, and a wonderful addition to the CPC
I can't say I'm too concerned about the lack of an edge connector, the majority of new hardware is using the MX4 connectiors, and as already pointed out, there are converter dongles out there for the other cases... I have a DDI3 and an old multiface 2, but there are other options for these with the MX4... and as my CPC+ does not have an edge connector, MX4 is the logical solution for overall compatability
I can imagine developing and testing a board like this has taken a lot of time and money, so I'm not surprised there is a desire to focus on a single model, rather than branch out into 'variants' with different connectors
I agree with all of this. However adding a pcb edge doesn't cost a dime as duke said so why not just do it. It takes more time discussing this than actually doing it ;D anyhow just my 2 cents.
Quote from: LambdaMikel on 22:19, 08 July 18
I agree with all of this. However adding a pcb edge doesn't cost a dime as duke said so why not just do it. It takes more time discussing this than actually doing it ;D anyhow just my 2 cents.
But ADDING something to a completed design does, doesn't it? - if only because you have to test it again... The point is they've announced a product, and the only feedback they've got is a page of whining about a connector most people don't use for their upgrades anymore.
If it was my product, I'd be pi$$ed.
Quote from: GUNHED on 21:44, 08 July 18
Actually I would be very interested (CPC6128) in a Centronics Version of the card, and of course it would be great to also have a Centronics plug to add more expansions (four MX4 slots are not enough for me). :)
Right pass through centronics AND pass through edge -> $£€ big time!
Sure, but I like stable hardware as much as you. :)
Quote from: keith56 on 22:29, 08 July 18
But ADDING something to a completed design does, doesn't it? - if only because you have to test it again... The point is they've announced a product, and the only feedback they've got is a page of whining about a connector most people don't use for their upgrades anymore.
If it was my product, I'd be pi$$ed.
There is no such thing as a finished product 😊
Do you any statistics on the use of edge connector hardware Vs Others?
Who is most people
Quote from: LambdaMikel on 22:30, 08 July 18
Right pass through centronics AND pass through edge -> $£€ big time!
Saying 'Hey great product, thanks for all your hard work, this really brings a lot to the CPC community' costs nothing either, but I don't see too many post saying that...
'If you ever had chance... could you add..." should come second.
You have to read again then.
Everybody in this thread has said a couple times that it is a great product! :)
For those that care about the 464 and edge connector, let the whining continue here:
http://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/amstrad-cpc-hardware/mother-x4-and-ddi3-mods/ (http://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/amstrad-cpc-hardware/mother-x4-and-ddi3-mods/)
Well, the first time
I saw the Amsdap was early this year and it's a fascinating device (as stated before), back the day it had three MX4 slots, now the picture shows 4 of them. :) That's great! :) Now my questions:
- Is the design finished?
- How can this nice device be ordered?
- Is there a rough estimate for the price?
Great work anyway!
Yes, the design is ready,
for questions about sales and functions. please contact Prodatron
there are a number in stock.
Hi guys,
the price for an AMSDAP42 (4x CPC slot - MotherX4 compatible, 2x MSX slot - any MSX I/O-based hardware)
is 35€ + shipping costs (from Germany).
It can be ordered now.
Please write me to
jmika (at) prodatron (dot) net
Please note, that currently we don't ship any cables (edge or centronics). You can use your MotherX4 cable for connecting the AMSDAP to your CPC. If someone has a good source for edge connectors, please tell me.You should organize an USB power supply as well with an USB type B cable (which is the big one used for slave devices like printers). As usual the AMSDAP allows to use the (weak) power supply of the CPC, but it is recommended to operate it with an external 5V one. There is one real switch on the AMSDAP for choosing internal/external power supply as well as an additional switch for turning off the external power. This is very useful, as you can turn off the powersupply for the connected cards as soon as you switched off your CPC.
CU,
Prodatron
Great stuff, I hope to get one so I can use my V9990 on the CPC.
Oh, just a reminder, I offered a 'bounty' for anyone getting V9K support working on a CPC emulator, that still stands, and if anyone does it, I'll add V9K support to any future games, and document it in my tutorial series.
Quote from: keith56 on 01:29, 07 April 18
I'd be willing to make a 100 euro donation to any emulator author who got V9990 emulation working - it would save me that much in personal suffering compared to testing on real hardware!!!
Quote from: keith56 on 00:24, 10 July 18
Oh, just a reminder, I offered a 'bounty' for anyone getting V9K support working on a CPC emulator, that still stands
You deserve one as well - here you go :P
Quote from: Prodatron on 22:52, 09 July 18
Hi guys,
the price for an AMSDAP42 (4x CPC slot - MotherX4 compatible, 2x MSX slot - any MSX I/O-based hardware)
is 35€ + shipping costs (from Germany).
It can be ordered now.
I am still debating a bit with myself. It is certainly a very impressive product
(even though I am not a big fan of the MSX).
What other MSX cards are available currently besides the MP3 player and graphics card?
Thanks for any info.
It's a fair question. I only have the V9K and a MegaFlashRom for the MSX... Personally I'd say the V9K makes this worth owning alone, but of course for non MSX owners, there is the native CPC V9K...
In all seriousness, is there any possibility of using the extra ram of the MegaFlashRom on the CPC?, I mean, how do the memory mapped 'Slots' of the MSX hardware work with the CPC on this device?... I kind of assume the answer is 'Not at all' and that the only access to MSX hardware via amsdap is via OUTs... but I'd like to ask to be sure!
Quote from: keith56 on 08:53, 10 July 18
It's a fair question. I only have the V9K and a MegaFlashRom for the MSX... Personally I'd say the V9K makes this worth owning alone, but of course for non MSX owners, there is the native CPC V9K...
Right, and I have that Powergraph card already. But maybe I'll change my mind when / if other cards are coming out soon.
What I would buy though - any kind of MIDI or synthesizer or sound card stuff, especially with dual SID or the like. I believe MSX Yamaha had an FM synthesizer extension board... CM5 or something. But one would need CPC software (for native OS, also please!) for all these things, at least rudimentary driver support is necessary IMHO.
the AMSDAP only supports I / O base hardware
MSX memory boards or other memory cards do not work.
the MSX IO address 0x00 - 0xFF is placed in the address range of CPC 0xFF00 - 0xFFFF
This does not mean that this whole series is occupied.
Only the addresses that a card uses are active
I have asked some MSX users to come up with ideas. to use interesting MSX cards on the CPC
indeed the MSX has a lot of sound cards or midi cards
-
Great I take one, will Email too. :) :) :)
Quote from: TMTLOGIC on 17:13, 10 July 18
the AMSDAP only supports I / O base hardware
MSX memory boards or other memory cards do not work.
Yes, I assumed that would be the case, but I thought I would ask, Thanks for the clarification
Concerning MSX audio interfaces, there are several to choose from:
-FM-PAC based on a YM2413 opl chip
-Music module based on a Y8950 opl chip
-OPL4 or moonsound based on a YMF-278B-F chip including wave and FM voices
-Some MIDI interfaces
-And off-coarse my own MIDI-PAC v1 and v2 which translates YM2413 and AY8910 soundchip behavior into realtime MIDI data so a full blown synth, keyboard or module can play the sound/music.
-The new Supersoniqs Darky dual PSG with effect processor is also coming up.
So there's lot's to choose from.
Well, if we get MSX cards, we should all choose the same cards of a kind, so it's more easy to do software for it. At the moment you find some support for SymbOS as far as I know f.e. MP3 cards (like seen on the last Mittwinter meeting).
Which cards make the most sense for the CPC then?
Quote from: GUNHED on 13:15, 11 July 18
Well, if we get MSX cards, we should all choose the same cards of a kind, so it's more easy to do software for it. At the moment you find some support for SymbOS as far as I know f.e. MP3 cards (like seen on the last Mittwinter meeting).
Which cards make the most sense for the CPC then?
Honestly I don't know all the details of the CPC, kind of new here, but the YM2413 based sound cards (FM-PAC) do have a nice sound to them, software is easy and there are several clones build of that FM-PAC wich is good for the availability. The MIDI-PAC will just take in the I/O stream that is going to that sound chip and translate it to MIDI which gives you two things for one effort :)
Is there an actual source for buying such FM-PAC clones ?
Quote from: Shining on 10:47, 19 July 18
Is there an actual source for buying such FM-PAC clones ?
Bit late but... At least FM-PAQ:s are available: http://www.ebsoft.fr/shop/en/hardware/14-fm-paq-lite-with-audio-out.html (http://www.ebsoft.fr/shop/en/hardware/14-fm-paq-lite-with-audio-out.html)
The AmsDAP can be powered by an USB cable. Can you tell me please what do you use for it? Which kind of PSU?
I am using a 9W one. Cool thing about the Amsdap is, that it is using the big slave plug (typ A to B), which is very robust. No idea if this is overkilled, but I really like it (compared to other filigree plugs).
Ok, thanks, I'll get one too. Think you're right about stability. Better some mm more than a broken card. :)
At the moment my Amsdap works with M4, PlayCity and a 4 MB RAM expansion, the power comes from the 6128 (color) and seems to be enough. But I want to use MSX cards too (that's the purpose of it :) ). So a PSU is nice for sure. Maybe I find something well on ebay...
Hi all,
is there a 3D case for AMSdap available ?
Reply to myself : As no one seems to have drawn such a case, I did it !Design is based on the "expansion board holder" by Rambler.
STL file attached ;)
(https://nsa40.casimages.com/img/2019/04/05/mini_190405053901544135.jpg) (https://www.casimages.com/i/190405053901544135.jpg.html)
(https://nsa40.casimages.com/img/2019/04/05/mini_190405054157511146.jpg) (https://www.casimages.com/i/190405054157511146.jpg.html)
Wow cool
Can this AMSDAP be used to dump MSX cartridges? I have a Ghost cartridge that I would love to play on my phone under emulation. I also have the steam version so I can play that on my Retro Games PC but when I am on the go I'd love to have this on my Raspberry Pi and Phone.
If this were physically possible would anyone be able to code an AmsDOS or SymbOS program to dump the Game Cart rom to Mass Storage (M4 or XMASS)
Craig
Nice!
We don't have a 3d printer yet.. are any of these inexpensive ones in the 150 $ good? Can you recommend one below 300 $?
Quote from: CraigsBar on 21:46, 05 April 19
Can this AMSDAP be used to dump MSX cartridges?
That's an interesting question. As far as I know the MSX RAM cartridges can not be used with the CPC because they have different banking (IIRC). But however, can you please provide a link to such a cartridge you're talking about? I'm not familiar with MSX world that much. :)
Quote from: GUNHED on 12:25, 07 April 19
That's an interesting question. As far as I know the MSX RAM cartridges can not be used with the CPC because they have different banking (IIRC). But however, can you please provide a link to such a cartridge you're talking about? I'm not familiar with MSX world that much. :)
Pretty much any Japanese MSX game as they got carts, whilst the Europeans got speccy ports on tape!
The one I would love dumped for emulator use is this one.
http://www.matranet.net/boutique/msx/card/ghost/ghost.php
Some technical details here.
https://www.msx.org/wiki/MSX_Cartridge_slot
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Maybe it's more easy to open the cartridge and read the ROM/EPROM using an programmer. But I don't know if this is an good idea...
Do we know which pins the AMSDAP provides for the MSX slot?
Quote from: GUNHED on 15:50, 07 April 19
Maybe it's more easy to open the cartridge and read the ROM/EPROM using an programmer. But I don't know if this is an good idea...
Do we know which pins the AMSDAP provides for the MSX slot?
Certainly not a good idea it's not socketed and a surface mount eprom!
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Well, can the MSX computer be used to read the EPROM?
I am pretty sure about this.
Quote from: GUNHED on 17:18, 08 April 19
Well, can the MSX computer be used to read the EPROM?
'afraid not, cartridges that boot directly cannot be dumped on an Msx without a hot swap. And I don't fancy doing this with such a good game!
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Quote from: Prodatron on 20:49, 08 April 19
I am pretty sure about this.
It would be awesome to be able to dump a game cart to sd card on an m4!
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http://bifi.msxnet.org/msxnet/utils/saverom (http://bifi.msxnet.org/msxnet/utils/saverom)
is AMSDAP available yet?
Sure. Contact Prodatron. :)
Quote from: GUNHED on 19:45, 29 July 19
Sure. Contact Prodatron. :)
I had tried but no replies.
Hey,
Sorry for the late response.
There are still 15 AMSDAP42 in stock.
Prodatron was on vacation, so I hope they will be delivered.
Happy 2020! mates.
Now music scene on CPC has SID board thanks to LambdaMikel's Speak&SID...
but...
Do you think that I could play SID files with my AMSDAP+Playsoniq(MSX SID board) in my CPC???
I would try Simon Owen/DaDMaN or LambdaMikel SID PLAYERS but I don't want to fry nothing...
Any CPC/MSX users like me with all that crazy stuff ???? :o
No idea.
note the msx io rangs is for the CPC & FF00 .... & FFFF
Playsoniq SID (and CMB-MOS SID) use &H00 to &H1C address
compatible???
What is that translated to CPC/AMSDAP??
[I hope only software mod is needed not hardware side]
Yes i think so
For cpc is it &ff00....&f1c
! No cartridge memory support
Only IO base
Maybe the SID used internal memory.
Amsdap42 is only IO base to the MSX cartridge
Quote from: RockRiver on 14:59, 10 January 20
Playsoniq SID (and CMB-MOS SID) use &H00 to &H1C address
compatible???
What is that translated to CPC/AMSDAP??
[I hope only software mod is needed not hardware side]
Hi RockRiver! :)
it should be possible to access the SID of the PlaySoniq on the CPC with AMSDAP, as the SID is I/O based (MSX ports #2A and #2B), not memory mapped.
Ports will be
- #FF2A (select SID register)
- #FF2B (write data to SID register)
See here:
https://www.msx.org/wiki/SuperSoniqs_PlaySoniq#Addressing (https://www.msx.org/wiki/SuperSoniqs_PlaySoniq#Addressing)
I would love to try it, but there is one big problem:
The Playsoniq doesn't have an own Audio-Out-connector. The MSX can route external audio-signals from expansion hardware to its own audio-output, but the CPC can't.
Maybe it is possible to open the PlaySoniq catridge and solder something for an extra audio-cable. Or you solder something at the AMSDAP circuit board to get the audio signal?
Thanks for the answers.
Great!!!
"no problemio" Playsoniq has AudioOut pinout
at pseudo-vga D-15 connector...
https://www.msx.org/wiki/SuperSoniqs_PlaySoniq#VGA-type_connector (https://www.msx.org/wiki/SuperSoniqs_PlaySoniq#VGA-type_connector)
Go to solder an audio cable then... 8)
Thanks
My CPCsx is come back to life again ;)
Pin 49 of the msx connector is sound aux
Quote from: RockRiver on 15:39, 10 January 20
Thanks for the answers.
Great!!!
"no problemio" Playsoniq has AudioOut pinout
at pseudo-vga D-15 connector...
https://www.msx.org/wiki/SuperSoniqs_PlaySoniq#VGA-type_connector (https://www.msx.org/wiki/SuperSoniqs_PlaySoniq#VGA-type_connector)
Go to solder an audio cable then... 8)
Thanks
My CPCsx is come back to life again ;)
Cool :D Does it mean, I have to use Pin14 (Audio out) and Pin5 or Pin10 (ground) for getting the audio signal?
CPCsx
Quote from: Prodatron
Cool :D Does it mean, I have to use Pin14 (Audio out) and Pin5 or Pin10 (ground) for getting the audio signal?
Yezz!!
Ha Ha :picard: Soft Porn or Sacrilege!!!
Sorry!!
Do you remember my veeery old web about changing keys on amstrad computer models???
http://galeon.hispavista.com/amstrad/restyling.html (http://galeon.hispavista.com/amstrad/restyling.html)
It's a CPC plus with black keys from a non plus 464 with CPC old logo. Blue is the color for the system software in some spanish editors. (Red: Spectrum; Black: MSX; Yellow: C64)
The anexed box is an old external CD-ROM case and inside Symbifase II and AMSDAP boards with 3 cpc and 2 msx extension board connectors.... it allows me to connect msx VDP V9990; MP3 board and maybe playsoniq SID...
More photos soon.
The goal will be attach more Sound Chips (MSX boards) with AMSDAP help.
Yeahhh some of the scene doesn't like CPC as Jukebox.
But I like a lot and I am jealous about VGM Play on MSX cousin 8bit system.
https://bitbucket.org/grauw/vgmplay-msx/src/default/ (https://bitbucket.org/grauw/vgmplay-msx/src/default/)
Quote from: RockRiver on 21:44, 10 January 20
The anexed box is an old external CD-ROM case and inside Symbifase II and AMSDAP boards with 3 cpc and 2 msx extension board connectors.... it allows me to connect msx VDP V9990; MP3 board and maybe playsoniq SID...
How did you get the needed space in height to connect Cards on the AMSDAP?
The CD-ROM-Case-Height can't be enough?
Yeah I need to make some slot holes like in msxVR
(look at that desing of Alberto's team) ;D
:o
It is possible that an expansion card is placed incorrectly in the 50 pin socket.
This is because the Female 50pin socket is smaller than the Male connector of the expansion card.
Before inserting the expansion card into the AMSDAP or MX4 Motherboard, check whether it is placed in the middle
GFLOREZ has a smart solution for this.
do not use a Female 50pin socket but a 54 Pin.
This socket fits exactly in the Male connector.
However, you do not use the outer pins
@Prodatron what would be involved in making a specadap or specamsdap? Spectrum version of amsdap for port based mx and msx cards?
For connecting MSX hardware to the Spectrum? I think the port range of the Spectrum is very limited.
Quote from: Prodatron on 22:28, 08 September 22For connecting MSX hardware to the Spectrum? I think the port range of the Spectrum is very limited.
For connecting cpc mx4 hardware and msx that uses ports.
Has anyone tried the Franky graphics card on CPC? Would it work in an AMSDSP?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnsLWkhikUs
https://map.grauw.nl/resources/sound/franky-9.pdf
https://supersoniqs.com/
Franky PCBs available with build instructions here: https://shop.supersoniqs.com/en/msx-hardware/82-franky-pcb.html
Don't own this (only the successor called "PlaySonic"). Some SuperSoniqs hardware like the "Darky" double PSG card have problems, if the bus hasn't exactly the same clockrate like the MSX (~3,5MHz).
So I can't say, if Franky (Sega Master System graphic + sound) would work with the CPC and Amsdap. AFAIK it is using "switched" I/O, which would be ok on the CPC.
Quote from: Prodatron on 16:44, 22 May 23Don't own this (only the successor called "PlaySonic"). Some SuperSoniqs hardware like the "Darky" double PSG card have problems, if the bus hasn't exactly the same clockrate like the MSX (~3,5MHz).
So I can't say, if Franky (Sega Master System graphic + sound) would work with the CPC and Amsdap. AFAIK it is using "switched" I/O, which would be ok on the CPC.
I was thinking that PlaySonic might be cool but then it looks like the 16meg of RAM onboard likely uses MSX mappers which means at least that bit of the card is likely incompatible with CPC right? For an MSX, do you think the PlaySonic is a must have card or would Symbiface 3 be better? (I only have 2 slots, and 1 is GR8NET). Do you have a list of MSX cards known to work on CPC so far?
Quote from: zhulien on 18:06, 22 May 23I was thinking that PlaySonic might be cool but then it looks like the 16meg of RAM onboard likely uses MSX mappers which means at least that bit of the card is likely incompatible with CPC right?
Yes, IIRC the PlaySonic has it's own internal "slot expander", so on the MSX it only works in a primary slot (like the GR8NET). I guess you can't use all features via normal I/O. I wonder if you can access its SID chip via I/O on the CPC as well, would be cool.
Quote from: zhulien on 18:06, 22 May 23For an MSX, do you think the PlaySonic is a must have card or would Symbiface 3 be better? (I only have 2 slots, and 1 is GR8NET).
Never used a SYMBiFACE 3 with an MSX. Is there any software support for it? GR8NET is one of the best multipurpose hardware for the MSX anyway.
Quote from: zhulien on 18:06, 22 May 23Do you have a list of MSX cards known to work on CPC so far?
Tested:
Graphics9000 (+ Gfx-Nine, V9990 Powergraph, etc.)
MoonBlaster (+ OPL4 Shockwave, FM Blaster, and all the other OPL4 cards)
MP3MSX (+ SE-One)
Not tested:
most other MSX sound cards should work as well, as they are all I/O.
Franky is a very old VDP project that I have owned more than ten years ago.
Sure, it works fine connected to the CPC, like the MSX/MSX2 VDP do.
But, it will not benefit for the SymbOS usage (no high resolution).
Quote from: Prodatron on 20:41, 22 May 23most other MSX sound cards should work as well, as they are all I/O.
I am afraid, the Sound Module (Cartridge-Implementation by RBSC) SFG-01/SFG-05 will not work, because it uses memory-mapped I/O, rather than an I/O port ?
... not work because it uses memory-mapped I/O, rather than an I/O Port ?
What's the "Sound Module"?
If you are speaking about the "Music Module", which is officially called "MSX-Audio", this is I/O based (#xxC0, #xxC1) and could work with the Amsdap on a CPC as well.
I think
@Mork is referring to this cartridge: https://github.com/RBSC/SFG_Cartridge
" Yamaha SFG 05/01-S clone "
lI also have it connected to my MSX2.
Exactly.
It is also possible to connect the orignal SFG-01/SFG-05 via Adapter to the Amsdap.
You have to write to the adresses 3FF0H and 3FF1H to access the YM2151 OPM.
Maybe it would be possible to decode these memory adresses to CPC IO-adresses ?
Indeed the SFG-01/05 were memory mapped, when Yamaha used them in their CX-Models (MSX1 computers).
Didn't know that RB was/is producing them as a new catridge. The amount of different sound hardware for the MSX is just crazy, hard to keep an overview ???
It will require extra hardware to translate memory-mapped to I/O for the CPC, no idea how this can be done?
The Sony HBI-55 4K Bytes Data Cartridge works fine with the Amsdap.
:)
Quote from: Mork on 15:31, 17 November 23The Sony HBI-55 4K Bytes Data Cartridge works fine with the Amsdap.
:)
Cool, thanks for testing and sharing! :)
Ah yes, it is I/O based, using ports #B0-#B3 (http://map.grauw.nl/resources/hbi55.php) (#FFB0-#FFB3 on the CPC with Amsdap).
Did you already do something with it on the CPC?
Yes, I was able to read the content of the cartridge, formerly written to it with a Sony HitBit 75D.
I used the information given here:
https://map.grauw.nl/resources/hbi55.php
I don't know the ports, but the Sega Master System Fm Sound Unit is IO-Port based:
https://etim.net.au/smsfm/smsfm.html
Soldered to the right pins - could it work with the Amsdap too?
Quote from: Mork on 12:42, 18 November 23I don't know the ports, but the Sega Master System Fm Sound Unit is IO-Port based:
https://etim.net.au/smsfm/smsfm.html
Soldered to the right pins - could it work with the Amsdap too?
It's not MSX hardware, so you would need another adapter between the MSX bus and the SMS bus. Or make an adapter directly to the CPC bus. If it's mostly a Z80-bus, it should work as well.
When reading about MSX and SMS of course I always have to think about the PlaySoniq (https://www.msx.org/wiki/SuperSoniqs_PlaySoniq) catridge, which should partially run with the Amsdap as well, at least its SID chip :D (ports #FF2A, #FF2B).
But I didn't try it so far, as I still have to get a correct cable for the Audio output.
Yes, therefore I meant to adapt the SMS-connections to the right MSX-pins, didn't noticed, that I could also use a direct CPC - connection. :doh:
But maybe a MSX-adaption would be better, so the unit could also be used with an MSX-computer.
Just worrying if it's really that easy because I can't find any hint in the net that someone else tried this before.
Can I use my Android-Tablet Charger (5V + 9V) as a PSU for the Amsdap?
Yes, but only the +5v side.
The USB-standard should choose the right voltage, there are no different lines for 5v or 9v.
Just adding here that the Multiface II (clone) is not compatible with AMSDAP. CPC does not boot with only that particular board fitted (works fine in standard MX4 board)
https://www.va-de-retro.com/foros/viewtopic.php?t=8102 (https://www.va-de-retro.com/foros/viewtopic.php?t=8102)
Quote from: darkhalf on 08:58, 04 January 24CPC does not boot with only that particular board fitted (works fine in standard MX4 board)
https://www.va-de-retro.com/foros/viewtopic.php?t=8102 (https://www.va-de-retro.com/foros/viewtopic.php?t=8102)
That's interesting, thanks for the hint.
Strange that it works with the MX4 but not with Amsdap.
Hmm, maybe address decoding issue. The x-mass also don't work properly. Reading out a sector for example provides 8-bit data and then 8-bit filled with zeros.
Indeed, I did the test yesterday : my CPC does not start if I plug my Multiface 2 clone into the AMSDAP.
Amsdap42 schematic link:
Amsdap42 circuit (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1EgzXYFO_47ZXrxb52Ym3qjtNuphUKvZ1/view?usp=drive_link)
Received today ;)
(https://cpcrulez.fr/im4/7/poulette73-img309.jpg)
Which cartridges will you use with your Amsdap ?
Soundcards like MSX Sunrise Moonsound, MSX WozBlaster Reloaded, and OPL4 compatible.
Graphic cards like MSX V9990 PowerGraph (Yamaha) from Tecnobytes.
And some others MSX still in developments.
https://cpcrulez.fr/forum/viewtopic.php?f=11&p=59690#p59588
Nice hardware all together. But software developers are not using them all too much sadly. Same is also true for CPC original expansions - in a lesser extent though.
Time to support new hardware! :) :) :)
Technobytes Brazil offers a new batch for a V9990 PowerGraph graphics card.
(https://cpcrulez.fr/im4/7/poulette73-Powerrev2.jpg)
This is the MSX version, therefore to be connected to an AMSDAP 4.2 card
The price with shipping is quite high $200... around 185€.
http://www.tecnobytes.com.br/
Quote from: poulette73 on 10:11, 09 February 24Technobytes Brazil offers a new batch for a V9990 PowerGraph graphics card.
Sold out like hotcakes! :'(
Quote from: dodogildo on 17:13, 13 February 24Sold out like hotcakes! :'(
Had to act quickly!! :D :D
Yeah there was a limited amount of the V9990 chips available. Another batch was sourced and the boards made. Total cost with shipping was very expensive.
QuoteBut software developers are not using them all too much sadly
Not enough people with that type of hardware. Cost is very prohibitive. For now its just symbos