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HxC internal + Black case
« on: 08:29, 06 July 14 »
It's time to upgrade my 6128, we'll start by replacing the internal 3' drive with a HxC; before I order it on Lotharek's site, do I need to chose a special model for CPC or they're all the same? (There are different models on ebay, one per "architecture", although Lotharek's site doesn't seem to differentiate them).

Finally, do I also need a "Black case" ( http://lotharek.pl/product.php?pid=121 ) in addition to the HxC "Rev C" itself (or is it Rev F)? Please note that my intend is to replace the internal "A" drive, I do not need a "B" drive at this time.

Also, do I need to run special ROMs for the HxC, or the stock rom might suffice (for now?).

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« Last Edit: 08:35, 06 July 14 by jibanes »

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Re: HxC internal + Black case
« Reply #1 on: 08:59, 06 July 14 »
I bought one of those with a case once, thinking it would fit in a 3.5" disk-drive slot. But it didn't. It's slightly too big to fit.

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Re: HxC internal + Black case
« Reply #2 on: 11:37, 06 July 14 »
The HxC is generic, there is only one type (schematically speaking) which works on all systems with a Shugart connection. But there are many different physical variations. I have documented installing the Rev F (the one you've linked to) version in a 6128 here: CPC6128 mod. As you'll see, it needs some serious modding to the HxC or CPC to get it to fit. The Rev C version is more suitable for the CPC if you don't want to have to do too much hardware hacking.

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Re: HxC internal + Black case
« Reply #3 on: 14:39, 06 July 14 »
If you are going to replace the internal drive, why would you need a case?

And no, you don't need to run anything at all to use the HxC ROM-wise, the system sees it as a normal drive :)

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Re: HxC internal + Black case
« Reply #4 on: 14:49, 06 July 14 »
If you are going to replace the internal drive, why would you need a case?

Because a 3.5" disk-drive is in a case?

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Re: HxC internal + Black case
« Reply #5 on: 14:57, 06 July 14 »
If you are going to replace the internal drive, why would you need a case?

And no, you don't need to run anything at all to use the HxC ROM-wise, the system sees it as a normal drive :)

If you check the link he included you'll see it's the HxC with front plate, not really a case.

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Re: HxC internal + Black case
« Reply #6 on: 18:17, 06 July 14 »
Because a 3.5" disk-drive is in a case?


ehm... a totally different thing, the metal casing of a 3.5" drive which is for internal use and the clearly external-use HxC plastic case.

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Re: HxC internal + Black case
« Reply #7 on: 18:56, 06 July 14 »
ehm... a totally different thing, the metal casing of a 3.5" drive which is for internal use and the clearly external-use HxC plastic case.

The "cased" HxC I got was of metal, and open in the top. I think it was to make it fit-able in a floppy drive spot somewhere. It wasn't.

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Re: HxC internal + Black case
« Reply #8 on: 20:32, 06 July 14 »
Then it sounds like a metal caddy, not a case.

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Re: HxC internal + Black case
« Reply #9 on: 23:42, 06 July 14 »
Just take a look at his link and you'll see what he's talking about!

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Re: HxC internal + Black case
« Reply #10 on: 00:15, 07 July 14 »
Ahh right; hadn't seen that one. Still it's not a case :D

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Re: HxC internal + Black case
« Reply #11 on: 08:13, 07 July 14 »
Ahh right; hadn't seen that one. Still it's not a case :D

Well I'm calling it a case! And you can't make me stop!  :P

Also, the dictionary says this:
  • a box or receptacle for holding something
  • a box together with its contents
  • set; specifically :  pair
  • an outer covering or housing <a pastry case>
  • a tube into which the components of a round of ammunition are loaded
  • a divided tray for holding printing type
Source: Case - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary
So eat it!  :D

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Re: HxC internal + Black case
« Reply #12 on: 09:32, 07 July 14 »
Ok, ok! It's a case! I'll have two, please :D

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Re: HxC internal + Black case
« Reply #13 on: 10:20, 07 July 14 »
Well I'm calling it a case! And you can't make me stop!  :P

Also, the dictionary says this:
  • a box or receptacle for holding something
  • a box together with its contents
  • set; specifically :  pair
  • an outer covering or housing <a pastry case>
  • a tube into which the components of a round of ammunition are loaded
  • a divided tray for holding printing type
Source: Case - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary
So eat it!  :D

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« Last Edit: 10:22, 07 July 14 by Bryce »

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Re: HxC internal + Black case
« Reply #14 on: 13:47, 07 July 14 »
The "cased" HxC I got was of metal, and open in the top. I think it was to make it fit-able in a floppy drive spot somewhere. It wasn't.

Sure this is a 3"1/2 case. the CPC is in this format.

Have a look to the Slim version this one should fit better.

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Re: HxC internal + Black case
« Reply #15 on: 14:03, 07 July 14 »
Hi Jeff,
     I managed to beat the 3.5in version into a CPC, but it took quite a bit of modding first (so that no CPC modding was required). You can see the pictures here: CPC6128 mod. (Apologies first for hacking your lovely case into bits :D)

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Re: HxC internal + Black case
« Reply #16 on: 14:12, 07 July 14 »
Congratulations! You have successfully graduated with honours from the "Bryce school of pedantology[NB]Yes, I know that's not a real word[/NB]"! Be proud! :D

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No, but pedantry is a real word. :D

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Re: HxC internal + Black case
« Reply #17 on: 14:17, 07 July 14 »
Yeah, but it doesn't sound like a science :D

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Re: HxC internal + Black case
« Reply #18 on: 15:11, 07 July 14 »
Sure this is a 3"1/2 case. the CPC is in this format.

Have a look to the Slim version this one should fit better.

My idea was to replace the floppy drive in my homemade external drive:
http://dewfall.dk/other/diskdrive01.jpg
http://dewfall.dk/other/diskdrive02.jpg

I assumed that the metal case (which it is, according to Bryce's School of Pedantology and The Merriam-Webster Dictionary), was designed with the same meassurements to replace the disk drive in various equipment, like e.g. a keyboard, so I was sure it would fit into that external drive of mine too.

But since it didn't fit, I asked Bryce to put it inside my CPC6128 instead.

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Re: HxC internal + Black case
« Reply #19 on: 15:40, 07 July 14 »
Really? The HxC case is the correct standard dimensions for a 3.5in PC drive[NB]Or at least it was before I hacked it into pieces.[/NB]. Your external drive must be some strange variant. What exactly didn't fit? And where did your external drive case originally come from?

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Re: HxC internal + Black case
« Reply #20 on: 15:58, 07 July 14 »
Really? The HxC case is the correct standard dimensions for a 3.5in PC drive[NB]Or at least it was before I hacked it into pieces.[/NB]. Your external drive must be some strange variant. What exactly didn't fit? And where did your external drive case originally come from?

The plastic case was from a HP external burner I think. Then I just added some metal brackets (see picture 2) to be able to mount the 3.5" floppy drive you see on the pictures.
So a floppy drive fit well, as you see. In my small brain, that would mean that other devices intended to replace a floppy drive, would fit too. But it didn't. I couldn't cram in it there.

Having it in the CPC6128 is a better place for it anyway. I bought another external HxC for my CPC464.

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Re: HxC internal + Black case
« Reply #21 on: 16:49, 08 July 14 »
I prefer the cased external version. That way I can use it with other systems when I need to. Works wonderfully with my Spectrum +3.
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