Hi,
after discussions on another topic, i saw some people wanted a PS2 adapter mouse for CPC. It is the Bryce model ;D
Here is some pictures
(http://i.imgur.com/FPTh6Xvl.jpg)(http://i.imgur.com/Hak0Ljgl.jpg)
You can pre-order one just by saying "i want one !!! " and by sending me a PM also :)
i will make 10, 15 or even 20 adapters , it depends if people are interested. I will not do more, because i have also a private life with wife and kids to take care of :-*
Pre-ordering will be close monday ;-)
For the price : 22 euros
Quantity ordered : 3
I want one !!!!
PM sent
I already have one for my CPC, but I'm going to say I want another one because I'm really hoping that the PCW will see its AY card happen and SymbOS will support the mouse through the joystick port!
Hi Talrek,
looks really nice, but this is the very first version. The later version had a USB connector and also auto-detected everything, so the DIP switch wasn't required any more. Why did you go for the older version?
Bryce.
i want one !!!
Quote from: Bryce on 13:01, 18 September 14
Hi Talrek,
looks really nice, but this is the very first version. The later version had a USB connector and also auto-detected everything, so the DIP switch wasn't required any more. Why did you go for the older version?
Bryce.
I first made this version because i had a ps2 mouse lol.
So if evertbody wants usb, so be it :) no problem for me :)
I don't mind... What do the switches do?
me neither :) i want the later version too ;D
is working for cpc and cpc+, right ?
One is to put the mouse wheel on/off
The second is for compatibility issues.
One switch turns the scroll wheel on/off (still on the later version as jumper), the other forced the mouse to "basic mode", ie: 2 button, no extras, but this got deleted after I improved the software. The USB socket just made it easier to use modern mice, PS/2 mice still work with it.
Bryce.
Gesendet von meinem Motorola DynaTEC 8000X mit Tapatalk 2.
Quote from: talrek on 15:34, 18 September 14
I first made this version because i had a ps2 mouse lol.
So if evertbody wants usb, so be it :) no problem for me :)
Hmmm, Any chance of one of each? I have multiple CPC's and both mouse flavours.
Craig
Hi,
The only problem is quantities. Making less rgan 10 pcbs is not interesting : it could be expensive.
So. Make usb and ps2 means to order at least 2 x 10 pcbs.
I never tried if an usb/ps2 adapter. May be it works...
But if there is 20 peiple interested, i could do both versions.
Quote from: talrek on 09:06, 19 September 14
Hi,
The only problem is quantities. Making less rgan 10 pcbs is not interesting : it could be expensive.
So. Make usb and ps2 means to order at least 2 x 10 pcbs.
I never tried if an usb/ps2 adapter. May be it works...
But if there is 20 peiple interested, i could do both versions.
ok, here's hoping that there is interest then ;-) otherwise just one ps/2 version will be fine for me. I do still have a couple of symbifaces after all
As you know (it was written by Bryce on the cpcwiki page), the parts for building the mouse adapters cost less than 7€.
Adding to that the PCB prices and the shippings, I suggest that each board cost around 10/12€ for 10pcs.
Selling each 22€, is 10€ margin for each board... So, it's strange to read that is not viable to build less than 10pcs.
A little math show that 6pcs allows to cover all the fees for them and the nexts are pure benefits for you. :)
Quote from: TotO on 10:18, 19 September 14
As you know (it was written by Bryce on the cpcwiki page), the parts for building the mouse adapters cost less than 7€.
Adding to that the PCB prices and the shippings, I suggest that each board cost around 10/12€ for 10pcs.
Selling each 22€, is 10€ margin for each board... So, it's strange to read that is not viable to build less than 10pcs.
A little math show that 6pcs allows to cover all the fees for them and the nexts are pure benefits for you. :)
That's a bit unfair. There's no way that there's a €10 margin on each board. For a start the PCBs will never cost €5 if you are ordering only 10 unless you've sold your soul to the devil and had them made in China (which I definitely don't approve of). You also seem to forget that solder cost money, cleaning fluids cost money, electricity cost money. You can't price something by parts price alone. If you do you are underselling and subsidising the device. €22 is a very fair price.
@Talrek: Yes the mouse interface works with a PS/2 -> USB adapter.
Bryce.
Edit: Just checked with my PCB supplier. For 10 or less PCBs the boards would cost about €12 per board (FR4-16, Single-sided, HAL, soldermask, silkscreen).
I ordered one a month ago ans it works very well.
Bryce, when you order your parts at reichelt.de, do you know that they came from China and stored in Germany to be delivered to Europe?
Is your soul more clear, because your pay with euro currency? Sorry, you buy china parts. ;)
About the adapter price, it's not the problem.
I just think that is sad to not build them because less than 10 peoples are interested since only 1 day.
Thank you Remax ;D happy to read you are satisfied.
And to respond , i never said i will not do that, I just wait , and I'll see.
Monday i will order 10 pcb even for 3 peoples... but i don't really want to order 20 pcbs for 4 peoples.... that's all. I'm really sorry :-[
Quote from: CraigsBar on 10:10, 19 September 14ok, here's hoping that there is interest then ;-) otherwise just one ps/2 version will be fine for me. I do still have a couple of symbifaces after all
A couple of symbifaces ??? :o :o :o
have you thought about selling one of these ;D ???
Quote from: TotO on 15:36, 19 September 14
Bryce, when you order your parts at reichelt.de, do you know that they came from China and stored in Germany to be delivered to Europe?
Is your soul more clear, because your pay with euro currency? Sorry, you buy china parts. ;)
About the adapter price, it's not the problem.
I just think that is sad to not build them because less than 10 peoples are interested since only 1 day.
I'm not stupid, of course I know the parts originated in China, but PCB production (as I was talking about) and also EU parts distribution provides jobs in the EU. Big industry have abandoned these smaller companies, but that's no reason why the hobbyists should. Even if it costs a little more.
Bryce.
Gesendet von meinem Motorola DynaTEC 8000X mit Tapatalk 2.
Quote from: talrek on 19:37, 19 September 14
A couple of symbifaces ??? :o :o :o
have you thought about selling one of these ;D ???
Well if Toto (or someone else) Designs and makes a MX4 compatible card that has Symbiface compatible PS/2, RTC and IDE/SD card then I certainly can sell one
My MX4 has one slot left so a combo card of those 3 devices would be perfect.
So there you go hardware peeps, the challenge is set! make a sweet little card with 2 SD slots (Mapped to IDE Primary and IDE Slave) a RTC and a PS/2 (Or USB) mouse port and I'll be able to sell my spare Symbiface LOL.
I guess with a Mouse adaptor all I'd really need on the 'New' MX4 card would be a IDE/SD and RTC. But a non joystick (Higher Resolution and 3 button supported) mouse is always gonna win for Symbos and Cyber Chicken in my book ;)
Quote from: Bryce on 22:03, 19 September 14PCB production and also EU parts distribution provides jobs in the EU. Big industry have abandoned these smaller companies, but that's no reason why the hobbyists should. Even if it costs a little more.
Job in Europe for the same industry that doesn't want to sell to hobbysts PCB under 100pcs quantity 15 years ago and said me "DIY" ? ;)
When I done them myself, each 10x10cm PCB cost me around 40F (6€). So, no, I'm not OK to pay 12€ for a 5x2.5cm PCB (sold by ten) when they cost to them around 2€ each. STOP to think that peoples are dumb!
I found these guys very reasonable when I needed 2 pcbs making a few years ago.
http://www.gjg.co.uk
Craig
Hi All, Hi Talrek!
I'm new to the forum and did not take the time to introduce myself on my profile, sorry, will do anytime soon.
Talrek,
I'm in for 4 of them but would rather get them as bare kits to build myself later on. Would there be any pricing rebate then?
I live downtown Paris and will send you a PM today.
Cheers,
Roland
Hi Talrek,
I am interested in 2 of these. If possible the USB version. I would even take 3, if these could be all USB then :)
CU,
Prodatron
FWIW, when I got the PCBs made for my FPGA emualtor, the first board was 80x60mm and cost $60+$20 shipping for 3 boards, so that's $26 per board. For the second board, I went with one of the cheapest Chinese company I could find, this board was a bit bigger, just under 80x100mm and only because I ordered 25 boards did I get the price down to about $9 per board. If I'd bought the 10 boards I actually wanted, the price was around $18 per board. I paid more on the offchance the board did everything I wanted exactly (and not surprisingly, I still want to make further changes!) All these boards were only 2 layer for this price, 4 layer boards cost much, much more...
There are some cheaper PCB manufacturers that have opened up since, but they tend to be a bit sketchier. The absolute cheapest I've found is Dirt Cheap Dirty Boards (http://dirtypcbs.com/) but I've had used them yet. It's telling though, that for their headline price you're not guaranteed 10 boards just somewhere between 8 and 12 and they make no guarantees about the quality of the board. That said, it's cheap enough it's worth trying out... :)
But, in general, unless you're making a LOT of PCBs, the cost of the PCB is usually very significant.
Generally, a PCB price is related to the surface and the quantity.
Using less than 10x10cm or 10x5cm allow to get good prototyping prices.
But... Than not change a lot the final price of a board and it is not what I wanted to bring out.
Let's go for two batches : 10x usb and 10x PS/2 :)
Quote from: talrek on 19:08, 20 September 14
Let's go for two batches : 10x usb and 10x PS/2 :)
Yippee, one of each for me then please.
Good news! :)
Ok sorry but you will have to wait until i get the eagle files from Bryce :laugh:
He is on holidays so, just be patient ;D
Until then, the order is open :D
I would also like to buy an USB-AMX Mouse Adapter, or just the diy-kit.
22 € plus shipping is ok.
where can i order?
Ok no problem. I just ordered all the parts. ;-) You took the last USB
Only 3x PS/2 version left
Let us know when we can pay ;D
I won't forget ;D
I got my kits yesterday night. Thanks talrek, great job!!
:D :-* ;D
Cheers,
Roland
Cool ;) ;)
Now's your turn :laugh: :laugh:
Quote from: talrek on 12:06, 15 November 14
Cool ;) ;)
Now's your turn :laugh: :laugh:
Paid. Excellent news. [emoji4]
a normal price for this project is 50 euros or more!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
this is a genius recovery!!!!!!!!!!!! that is a puzzle that anyone can solve!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
50€+ ? :laugh:
Quote from: Roland on 11:37, 15 November 14
I got my kits yesterday night. Thanks talrek, great job!!
:D :-* ;D
Cheers,
Roland
My adapters arrived, too! Very nice stuff indeed, thanks a lot!! My CPC is currently replaced by an Enterprise 128, but I will try to test them soon :)
Great !!!
i'm pleased you're pleased :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Im also waiting mine ;)
wool it is very long, i shipped it several days ago... i don't know if it is long to Romania from France :o :o :o
How about delivery times to Ireland?
Delivery time from France/Germany to Romania takes about 2 weeks >:(
Quote from: radu14m on 07:59, 23 November 14
Delivery time from France/Germany to Romania takes about 2 weeks >:(
Really :o :o :o :o :o :o :o
For Ireland i don't know exactly... maybe a week or two also ??? i hope not.
Mine arrived today, and are awesome. Thanks on so many levels :-)
But wow that led is bright!
I' am new to the forum and a little bit late - is there one adapter left to buy?
Hi !
You are lucky i have one more left but PS/2 version.
No more USB.
If other are interested i can do another batch.
Wonderfully sold out. Excellent that must mean no one is out of pocket and I hope everyone got what they wanted.
Quote from: Jungsi on 12:36, 01 December 14
I' am new to the forum and a little bit late - is there one adapter left to buy?
Welcome @Jungsi, the mouse adaptors are amazing. It looks like you were *just* in time. Thanks @talrek your work on these adaptors was very much appreciated.
You can still use the PS/2 version with a USB mouse if you use a USB to PS/2 adapter thingy.
Bryce.
You are all welcome.
I think everyone has been served, so the number was right.
I don't know what to do now ??? !!!??? it was fun 8) 8) 8) 8)
Quote from: Bryce on 18:09, 01 December 14You can still use the PS/2 version with a USB mouse if you use a USB to PS/2 adapter thingy.Bryce.
I strongly agree with the Master 8) 8) 8)
It works very well with a USB/PS2 adapter, i bought mine for 1,20 Euros
I wonder what else is in the Bryce back catalogue? I am waiting for his next big announcement, because I really want one of those. ;)
Quote from: talrek on 18:16, 01 December 14
You are all welcome.
I think everyone has been served, so the number was right.
I don't know what to do now ??? !!!??? it was fun 8) 8) 8) 8)
What's about other 8bit platforms with Atari compatible joystick ports?
Maybe there is a "market" for this adapter, too?
Quote from: talrek on 17:12, 01 December 14
Hi !
You are lucky i have one more left but PS/2 version.
No more USB.
If other are interested i can do another batch.
That would be great - I take also a PS/2 Version - a PS/2 - USB adpater is no problem - I have some of them. :-)
Just send me a PN for payment.....
Quote from: Prodatron on 18:26, 01 December 14
What's about other 8bit platforms with Atari compatible joystick ports?
Maybe there is a "market" for this adapter, too?
Actually my current projects (other than the CPC Laptop) are for Amiga and Acorn Electron. :)
Mouse adapters for others 8-bits are easy enough to do, especially when they have analogue inputs, but the original C64 mouse is still easily available and the Atari didn't really have any mouse-based software as far as I know.
Bryce.
Quote from: Bryce on 21:02, 01 December 14
and the Atari didn't really have any mouse-based software as far as I know.
The Atari8bit already has solutions for Amiga and ST mouses AFAIK. Regarding mouse-based software:... :P
Atari8 (http://www.atari8.co.uk/gui/)
Would like to test it on my Enterprise, but it seems, that my Joystick port/adapter is broken.
Yes, they seem to have adapted hardware from their "big brothers", the poor CPC didn't have this option. :(
Bryce.
Well the proportional Mouse of the AtariST runs quite well with my CPC - in proportional Mode of course. The G-Paint program which can be used is imho as good as or even better than OCP Art Studio. :)
Quote from: Jungsi on 18:39, 01 December 14
That would be great - I take also a PS/2 Version - a PS/2 - USB adpater is no problem - I have some of them. :-)
Just send me a PN for payment.....
Sorry i thought i had one left.... And in fact... Zéro.
i have 5 pcb left, when i have time, i will complète those 5.
So I completed my last 5 pcbs. i don't intend to do more.
Except if there is a large demand like the first one.
It is only PS/2 versions, but works very well with an usb adapter.
Price is 22 euros without shipping ;-)
Thanks again for these. Now we need Bryce to invent something else for you to make lol. Seriously tho, these are awesome and are much appreciated.
Quote from: CraigsBar on 00:10, 18 December 14
Thanks again for these. Now we need Bryce to invent something else for you to make lol. Seriously tho, these are awesome and are much appreciated.
Kind of busy at the moment, can't even find time to get my CPC Laptop done. But suggestions are always welcome.
Bryce.
Quote from: Bryce on 10:08, 18 December 14
Kind of busy at the moment, can't even find time to get my CPC Laptop done. But suggestions are always welcome.
Bryce.
Hopefully the one we discussed in dublin, involving 3rd party radio transmissions and no battery will be a priority, after your laptop. [emoji6]
Yes :)
Bryce.
Well.... i must take time to think about new ideas to submit :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
By the way , anyone has schematics for a memory extension ? at least 512kb ??? I'd like to make one, i already have two megaflashes, so if anyone has those schematics... thanks to him !
But i'm also worried, because radu didn't receive his mouse adapter. i think it is lost... The tracking says it went outside France...
Well, we are waiting for the end of the week. And i will send him another for free... it is just a shame !!! I don't like romanian post :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: (i think french post isn't better sometimes....)
European post office are a shame... no Home 2 Home tracking..... only between few european countries...
Quote from: talrek on 13:06, 18 December 14By the way , anyone has schematics for a memory extension ? at least 512kb ??? I'd like to make one, i already have two megaflashes, so if anyone has those schematics... thanks to him !
Buy a X-MEM, that will cost you less that if you make it yourself. ;D
I can sent it to you in KIT if you want to solder it...
I'm in France, so only french post! :P
I sent radu a GT65 and it actually arrived faster than I was expecting. But it's now pre-Christmas postal-madness time. I'd give it another week before I'd declare it "officially lost". When did you send it?
Bryce.
The same for me. I have sent to him some boards and they arrived really fast.
well, the package was sent around 14-16 of november....
Talrek, we should wait another week, i don"t want you to lose money my friend.
So far i did not have problems, even the monitor from Bryce arrived faster than i expect :)
Thanks.
Radu
Quote from: TotO on 13:25, 18 December 14
Buy a X-MEM, that will cost you less that if you make it yourself. ;D
I can sent it to you in KIT if you want to solder it...
I'm in France, so only french post! :P
is there only RAM in a X-MEM ?
As i said i just want to have extra RAM to put inside my two CPC's (normal and plus) ;-)
Quote from: radu14m on 18:13, 18 December 14well, the package was sent around 14-16 of november....Talrek, we should wait another week, i don"t want you to lose money my friend. So far i did not have problems, even the monitor from Bryce arrived faster than i expect :) Thanks.Radu
Ok let's say one more week, but it is already more than a month.... but it is Christmas Miracle time.... :laugh:
Get a X-MEM without the Flash. :)
Quote from: TFM on 21:36, 18 December 14
Get a X-MEM without the Flash. :)
Correct !!! ;D
Ok one X-MEM ram only DIY please ;D for internal installation :D
I think in most countries tracked post, regardless of efficiency, also has a built-in insurance amount, so you could claim it...
No there is no insurance.
The tracking differs from a country to another. From France to UK or Germany for exemple, countries exchange informations between them.
On the french post site, i know when someone has picked up the package, or if the package has not been delivered. In that case, you can have an insurance, because for the french post office there is a proof of non delivery.
But, with some other countries : Greece, Romania for example, they don't communicate tracking with other country (France at least)
the last message i got is : outside France. No other kind of tracking is available, because there is no exchange of this kind of informations between these countries... So there isn't any insurance available...
This is why i say it is a shame, because it should be the same for every country inside EU at least !
Using a Registered Mail/Packet from France, you are insured for any destination over the world.
If you use post'export and secure export, you are insured only for the listed destination.
Option Recommandation internationale
L' indemnisation forfaitaire en cas de perte ou d'avarie est déterminée par le niveau de recommandation :
Pour les envois de documents ou de marchandises pesant jusqu'à 2 kg affranchis en service prioritaire (jusqu'à 3 kg pour certaines destinations)
Niveau R1 : 45 €
Niveau R2 : 150 €
Valable au départ de la France métropolitaine, des DOM, de Saint-Pierre-et-Miquelon, de Saint-Martin et de Saint-Barthélemy pour les envois vers le monde entier.
I'm currently waiting for something (expensive) being sent by Frances wonderful Chronicpost Chronopost. The last message in the tracking page "Envoi en cours d'acheminement", loose translation = "On its way" :D - very informative (Yes, I know it doesn't really mean that, but it's about as useful). It's been like that since Thursday, so I assume it has been passed on to a German courier, but their page doesn't tell you that or which one, so I assume that's their last message and I've no other page where I could follow it :(
Bryce.
Strange, when I track a Chronopost parcel I get more informations. :-\
But the actual "christmas" delay are so worstin all countries...
3 weeks ago I have sent a X-MASS proto-board for SyX to Spain and the packet took 2 weeks instead of 3/5 days from France, so he missed it for 2 days. :(
Maybe you get more information because you are the sender, or have an account? From the tracking number that's all I get :( Not too worried yet, it will arrive and is also well insured.
I've also got a few parcels "lost in action" that I sent lately. Still hoping they'll all arrive though. Last year I sent something to Ireland on the 10th of Dec. and it didn't arrive until the 25th of Jan!!!
Bryce.
Quote from: TotO on 17:56, 20 December 14
Using a Registered Mail/Packet from France, you are insured for any destination over the world.
If you use post'export and secure export, you are insured only for the listed destination.
Option Recommandation internationale
L' indemnisation forfaitaire en cas de perte ou d'avarie est déterminée par le niveau de recommandation :
Pour les envois de documents ou de marchandises pesant jusqu'à 2 kg affranchis en service prioritaire (jusqu'à 3 kg pour certaines destinations)
Niveau R1 : 45 €
Niveau R2 : 150 €
Valable au départ de la France métropolitaine, des DOM, de Saint-Pierre-et-Miquelon, de Saint-Martin et de Saint-Barthélemy pour les envois vers le monde entier.
Wahooo great !! thanks a lot your teached me something. I didn't know, even if it is 4,30 euros to add, it could be interesting. It begins to be expensive though.
guess what ? i work at La Poste :-[ :-[
:laugh: :laugh:
To be fair, this morning I got an e-mail from DPD (a German courier company) to say the "My parcel would arrive between 11:53 and 12:52" :D The doorbell rang at 11:54 :) So Chronopost seem to use DPD on the German side.
Bryce.
Nice taht you got it! :)
Chronopost use EMS in some other countries too.