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« on: 12:34, 29 March 10 »
I've uploaded some pictures of the cpcs (schneiders) at the bmw museum. i took these when I visited Germany with our school (many moons ago). But I don't know where to link them into wiki?

Any ideas?

(BTW, I'm working to upload various bits and pieces i have lying around on my harddrive... pictures of my cpc hardware, etc)


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Re: cpc pictures
« Reply #1 on: 14:44, 29 March 10 »
You could put them in the Gallery (http://www.cpcwiki.eu/gallery/) for a start, although I'm not a fan of this area, cos' it's a little bit dis-organised for me and doesn't have the wiki format either.

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Re: cpc pictures
« Reply #2 on: 17:49, 29 March 10 »
The gallery part of the wiki never worked quite as intended... it has the downside that it's a whole new subsystem. Also, it's been spammed to death before (you should see the registration requests I'm still getting, several per day!!! at least this shows our anti-spam measures are good), so interest waned. Maybe we should look for a wiki-based solution...

As for these pics here (they should be very interesting!), you can just attach them here, or send them to me through email, and I'll make sure I put them somewhere nice :)

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Re: cpc pictures
« Reply #3 on: 16:24, 30 March 10 »
The gallery part of the wiki never worked quite as intended... it has the downside that it's a whole new subsystem. Also, it's been spammed to death before (you should see the registration requests I'm still getting, several per day!!! at least this shows our anti-spam measures are good), so interest waned. Maybe we should look for a wiki-based solution...

As for these pics here (they should be very interesting!), you can just attach them here, or send them to me through email, and I'll make sure I put them somewhere nice :)
http://www.cpcwiki.eu/index.php/File:SchneiderBMWMuseum1.jpg
http://www.cpcwiki.eu/index.php/File:SchneiderBMWMuseum2.jpg
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Re: cpc pictures
« Reply #4 on: 20:42, 30 March 10 »
Oh wow.

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Re: cpc pictures
« Reply #5 on: 00:45, 31 March 10 »
I knew there was a good reason for buying a BMW  :)

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Re: cpc pictures
« Reply #6 on: 23:27, 29 April 10 »
Nice pictures. Not that I am a fan of cars (nor other motorized vehicles). Well, except... robots are nice, my neighbour has a similar kuka of that size at home. Well they are motorized, but, they have no wheels and can't drive around the factory? Boring. :-( huge five tons robot vehicles would be better!

Added them to the http://www.cpcwiki.eu/index.php/Photo_Gallery#Peripherals -- are the robots CPC peripherals? Or were the CPCs used to control something else? Was that explained at the museum?

Btw. the old http://www.cpcwiki.eu/gallery/ is still online! Shouldn't it be closed? As far as I know all links on cpcwiki are removed - but google still finds it - so people might accidently hit the old/wrong gallery there, and maybe even upload new files to it (unless that part is disabled?).

PS. "43 ffeil mewn 8 albwm gyda 4 sylw wedi'u gweld 25804 gwaith"
Just curious, what default language are you using in coppermine???
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Re: cpc pictures
« Reply #7 on: 10:15, 30 April 10 »
Gallery is open until we move all the photos. Sorry, I haven't had the time to...

Also, please remove the photos from Peripherals - these are **CLEARLY** not peripherals. And, since you did ask yourself it seems you were in doubt, therefore you should ask BEFORE adding them to the article.

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Re: cpc pictures
« Reply #8 on: 10:19, 30 April 10 »
Also, please remove the photos from Peripherals - these are **CLEARLY** not peripherals.

How's about a page "CPCs in strange places" ;)
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Re: cpc pictures
« Reply #9 on: 12:37, 30 April 10 »
It'd be nice, but is there enough material?

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Re: cpc pictures
« Reply #10 on: 13:18, 30 April 10 »
> Also, please remove the photos from Peripherals
Could do that, if you know a better place. Or best, you could move them yourself.

> these are **CLEARLY** not peripherals.
Where do you know that from? For the robots, chances may be 50:50 that they ARE peripherals. For the huge monitors, chances are 99.9% that they do connect to the CPC. For the Schneider box, I wouldn't be surprised if it contains some CPC network hardware. So, what's the problem?

> And, since you did ask yourself it seems you were in doubt,
Yeah, but I didn't mean being unsure about the pics in the industry-peripherals section. I was just talking about the orange robots on the right side of the pics. Adding a notice that "the robots do (or do not) connect to the cpc" would be nice.

> therefore you should ask BEFORE adding them to the article.
Relax! Please! Other way around it's million times easier for me.

Simple: Make the article, ask if text & layout is okay.

Complex: Describe the article how it will look like, describe what is seen on the picture, describe where you want to upload it, hope everybody understands the description, hope somebody does send a useful answer... you don't seriously expect other people doing that ???

Then it'd take DAYS before one coluld even start to write an article. NB. Kevin just tried that. He asked where to put the files to. Answer was maybe coppermine but don't really like that, and then the pics were lost unlinked.

> Gallery is open until we move all the photos.
Already done. I moved the rest of the photos a while ago. Thought I'd have mentioned that (sorry in case you WANTED to move them yourself). A list which files are moved (or were already on cpcwiki) is here http://www.cpcwiki.eu/index.php?title=Photo_Gallery&diff=44776&oldid=44415 - coppermine can be closed now.
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Re: cpc pictures
« Reply #11 on: 15:28, 30 April 10 »
-Great about the photos having been moved, I'll check and shut the coppermine module down from Monday on (away for the weekend...).

-As for the rest: AGAIN we go into "maybe... possibly... probably" territory. Let's PLEASE not continue this. I'll revert your change but consider this as a warning.

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Re: cpc pictures
« Reply #12 on: 17:01, 30 April 10 »
Hey, do you mean the robots? You are paranoid: I never said probably!
In cpcwiki, I just added the pictures uncommented.

In the forum, I only asked if there is a clear YES/NO statement, saying whether or not the robots connect to the CPC. They must be connected to some computer, so it's a reasonable question, isn't it?

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Re: cpc pictures
« Reply #13 on: 17:03, 30 April 10 »
Other thing, now I received this "warning".

Quote from: CPCWiki forum
nocash,

Please understand that we don't have a grudge against you. Please do try and take our comments seriously, stay within the agreed lines and not provoke any confrontation. We do appreciate your enthusiasm, we really do, and it's a great thing. But each one of us cannot go running wild in CPCWiki...

Regards,
The CPCWiki forum Team.

Hi

Don't know whom / how many people am I talking with now? Anyways, probably better than doing such things in the forum. [Oops, there's no reply-to address, so my response goes to the forum.]

Please look at my point of view, too. For me it's almost the same:

I have no grudge. I do try to take comments seriously. I do not want to provoke confrontations. If there was a confrontation - I hope I didn't start it, and didn't provoke escalations.

I just tried to explain my intentions: I am doing my best, and believe to add useful information. And it *did* hurt when I got told that my articles are "superficious". As by now, it seems to me that markus didn't mean ALL my articels, but, at first, it sounded like that.

One thing that would help a lot: Give me concrete info which or how many articles you dislike. And some concrete examples which sentences should be improved in which fashion (before, after).

I asked markus, talking in german we did understood each other better, but still had different points of view. I asked him, but didn't got too clear info which articles should be changed in which way. As by now, I am (really!) clueless what exactly is wrong with them.

The only three things I *did* understand:

The "Triumph" thing. Let's leave that apart for now, okay? My articles are more earnest, aren't they?

The "Probably" thing. I think I know more about hardware reverse-engineering than many other people. Please don't misunderstood that! I don't mean that I am better than others! I just mean: Please trust me, that sentences ARE useful to visitors, so they see which info is missing, and the speculations are giving them some hints where to start with the research.
A couple of times that "scratch" notes helped me, too, when I found new info by myself. And of course, I would be more than glad, when somebody adds the missing info and removes the speculations. That already happened, too. And it was great.

The "ask BEFORE writing" thing: I take that seriously. But I disagree there. I start with an unfinished article. To me, wikis are INTENDED to be used that way. And if the article is finished after a few days - you won't see it started as "work in progress" article. So where's the problem with that???

Sorry, if this message got a bit long. Sorry too if it didn't reveal new things. And sorry, if some of my forum messages were written in hurry lacked common "good bye and best wishes" phrases. There was no bad intention.

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Re: cpc pictures
« Reply #14 on: 18:04, 30 April 10 »
Well, I did not send this mail ;)

To answer a short message here:
@ nocash: many sites you created and changed are really good (aleste informations, the different CPC board, the Speech synthesizers informations etc....)
Others were not "so good" and a bit annoying when the user reads phrases containing the words "not sure, maybe, probably".
This are informations you SHOULD collect here in forum by asking the others.
Or, if a information is not available for sure, decide:
- Don't write it in wiki
- If you want to add it, use a more elegant context for it.
  e.g. 'The CPC 81024 was never spotted and never seen but rumours tell that it existed'
- That's it! This info doesnt need a "No picture exists yet" and no other information! A short phrase which tells the reader that it's a "not sure, maybe, probably" thing. We don't need romans in wiki.

In rest:
Please, keep up your GOOD work in wiki and the NOT SO GOOD work: Discuss these things here first ;)
So you are always on the right side IMO.

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Re: cpc pictures
« Reply #15 on: 18:53, 30 April 10 »
Thanks for the reply, Markus! Now it seems, we all want clear info, all want discuss things in forum. And it's just that we use slightly different approaches, and do misunderstand each other. So best, let's go on discussing important cpc-related details, not the approaches how to get that details.

Something NEW to talk about: I've contacted ludo, who supplied the info about the ARA Video Digitizer on cpcrulez. That's been about a month ago, I completely forgot that I sent that message - but yesterday I got a very nice answer, including a photo of the hardware, and the driver dsk image. I've started the article here http://cpcwiki.eu/index.php/ARA_Video_Digitizer and will disassemble the driver later.

Why it's mentioned in the picture discussion: The kissing screenshot is okay, isn't it?

Now the other 19 pictures on the dsk image: They are bit more porn like. They aren't having discriminating attitudes, it's more like very oldfashioned harmless pornographical artwork. Anyways, they include blowjobs, threesome, and kissing. Technically (referring to the hardware, not to other techniques), the pictures are useful to illustrate the average picture quality of the digitizer, and the slideshow-feature in the driver software.

So about whether or not uploading the uncensored driver dsk. What is your opinion? Are old pornographical samples & demos accepted parts of the CPC history - or is it something that shall not be put on cpcwiki?

Of course, the other pictures would be "hidden" in the dsk image, not uploaded as screenshots.
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Re: cpc pictures
« Reply #16 on: 19:05, 30 April 10 »
History cannot be understood without porn...  :laugh:


I think the dsk should be uploaded with an extra warning that it contains material that somebody (not us for sure) might find it offensive, and that it's rated 18+.


That will do it, in my opinion.

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Re: cpc pictures
« Reply #17 on: 19:09, 30 April 10 »
History cannot be understood without porn...  :laugh:


I think the dsk should be uploaded with an extra warning that it contains material that somebody (not us for sure) might find it offensive, and that it's rated 18+.


That will do it, in my opinion.
Agreed.

I read the page and I think the current info is good. Of course info about the hardware and pictures of the interface itself are very welcome when they are available.

The existing picture is fine. I don't think others are needed. And I think marking the disc as containing other possibly offensive pictures should be done.
Also, a modified dsk with these pictures removed: i.e. files transfered to a completely blank disc, would be good in this case, but mark it as modified of course.

This is what I would do.
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Re: cpc pictures
« Reply #18 on: 19:14, 30 April 10 »
Simple reply:
If the images are originally on this dsk, keep them.
If not, erase them...
I dont think they have been on original driver disk.

Also important: Which ludo do you mean? (I remember Demoniak here, Ludovic Deplanque)

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Re: cpc pictures
« Reply #19 on: 19:17, 30 April 10 »
Simple reply:
If the images are originally on this dsk, keep them.
If not, erase them...
I dont think they have been on original driver disk.

Also important: Which ludo do you mean? (I remember Demoniak here, Ludovic Deplanque)

Nice site btw!
If it is not known if images are originals, mark it with "this driver disc may not be original".



Many years ago, it was mentioned to me that the French are more open with their attitudes to sex acts etc (comparing to us cold as ice Brits ;) ) and that this kind of thing was shown on tv and there was no harm for kids to watch. So they could still be originals ;)

But I don't know if this was truth or just somebody joke with me.

Here in the UK, it is advised that some sexual acts must not be shown on tv before 8pm at night.

EDIT: I just had a thought. With all these forum fights, we need a modified version of Frank Bruno's Boxing. We can change the picture of Frank and the other boxers for our pictures  :P .

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Re: cpc pictures
« Reply #20 on: 19:27, 30 April 10 »
> "this driver disc may not be original".
Uh-oh :-) no way that I'd risk unclear statements on that page.
Ludo (deplanque) called it the "original disc". I've asked him if he knows if it was the real unmodified original (got no reply yet, send the question just a few hours ago) (and yes, also asked for more photos -he offered "more help" and I shamelessly asked for dozens of things).

> sexual acts must not be shown on tv before 8pm at night.
Good idea ;-) but not sure if that is possible at cpcwiki, too? :-)

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Re: cpc pictures
« Reply #21 on: 11:38, 01 May 10 »
Maybe we should mark this conversation as 'Hot Topic', hehehehehe...  :laugh:

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Re: cpc pictures
« Reply #22 on: 10:33, 03 May 10 »
I'm ok with "risque'" content, as long as it doesn't fly in your face (hee-hee... :D ) and is clearly marked as such. In fact I think there should be a dedicated 'adult' section in the wiki to deal with things from Sam Fox strip poker (I was always a Teenage Queen fan... what was the other series of Strip Poker called?) to porn 'games' or slide shows. We're all adults here and after all - come on, how many would be titillated by some low-res photos? :D

As for the message; this came from me when I sent out the Warning.

Indeed, many of your contributions are simply great and I would be really sorry if they were to stop. But we must always keep in mind the context of the wiki. Markus summed it up quite well above. In essence, as we have said before, the Wiki is aiming to be a knowledge repository, so you/we should think a bit in journalistic/objective contexts when we write an article.

Even speculation is ok in an article if it's useful to provoke discussion or discover more knowledge, but how you say it and how you mark it make the difference between a fly-by-night page and a serious website...

Now, for the Video Digitizer: this is still a stub, not an article. It pays to write a couple of words. What was this digitizer? Who made it? When? How much did it sell for? And, of course, where's that disk? :D
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Re: cpc pictures
« Reply #23 on: 14:08, 03 May 10 »
Even though the risque pictures are not present on the original disk, the pictures are examples (if I am not mistaken) of what could be accomplished using the ARA scanner, therefore I think it would only be natural if the pictures would somehow be present on the CPCWIKI...

/Ygdrazil



Thanks for the reply, Markus! Now it seems, we all want clear info, all want discuss things in forum. And it's just that we use slightly different approaches, and do misunderstand each other. So best, let's go on discussing important cpc-related details, not the approaches how to get that details.

Something NEW to talk about: I've contacted ludo, who supplied the info about the ARA Video Digitizer on cpcrulez. That's been about a month ago, I completely forgot that I sent that message - but yesterday I got a very nice answer, including a photo of the hardware, and the driver dsk image. I've started the article here http://cpcwiki.eu/index.php/ARA_Video_Digitizer and will disassemble the driver later.

Why it's mentioned in the picture discussion: The kissing screenshot is okay, isn't it?

Now the other 19 pictures on the dsk image: They are bit more porn like. They aren't having discriminating attitudes, it's more like very oldfashioned harmless pornographical artwork. Anyways, they include blowjobs, threesome, and kissing. Technically (referring to the hardware, not to other techniques), the pictures are useful to illustrate the average picture quality of the digitizer, and the slideshow-feature in the driver software.

So about whether or not uploading the uncensored driver dsk. What is your opinion? Are old pornographical samples & demos accepted parts of the CPC history - or is it something that shall not be put on cpcwiki?

Of course, the other pictures would be "hidden" in the dsk image, not uploaded as screenshots.

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Re: cpc pictures
« Reply #24 on: 18:23, 28 January 19 »
I guess it is off top but, what modern graphics program can done with picture of CPC. :)


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