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Re: Batman Forever
« Reply #25 on: 13:02, 21 March 11 »
The youtube video has serious music delays during the transitions. The sound is also desynchronized later. I am uploading a more proper video.


Here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NWAzDSRQGW0
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Re: Batman Forever
« Reply #26 on: 13:04, 21 March 11 »
I am really curious about the fact, that nobody managed to connect his real CPC to a TV card on his PC.
Is noone able to do that? To record PROPER CPC videos?
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Re: Batman Forever
« Reply #27 on: 14:32, 21 March 11 »
A very impressive demo! Pretty good art and music design.
 
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...good idea - at weekend I'm going to connect either my cpc to a tv (and record it) or connect it to my pc tv card.  I've an very old tv card (pci) from haupage. It has a composite / s-video interface?? Let' see.
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Re: Batman Forever
« Reply #28 on: 14:56, 21 March 11 »
A very impressive demo! Pretty good art and music design.
 
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...good idea - at weekend I'm going to connect either my cpc to a tv (and record it) or connect it to my pc tv card.  I've an very old tv card (pci) from haupage. It has a composite / s-video interface?? Let' see.
it is a good idea to experiment and work out a good way to capture accurately from a real cpc.
If possible I think you need to use a capture card with r,g,b inputs.

As for the sound, well the standard cpc has various options, stereo (from 3.5mm plug), speaker sound, SOUND on expansion port (may be the same as speaker sound).

You will get different results depending on which sound source you choose.

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Re: Batman Forever
« Reply #29 on: 15:04, 21 March 11 »
I connected my mp2 now to my pc.
The image is not the best but it's ok!

Sadly I don't have a 3,5" drive, but, if someone wants, I'll record the 3" version for youtube ;)

(Need to connect audio now but thats childplay)

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Re: Batman Forever
« Reply #30 on: 15:25, 21 March 11 »
As soon as I saw the "Amstrad-Logo" I felt something like patriotism.  :'(
Wonderful, this demo is really state of the art.
One point of criticism: The music slows down sometimes - why is that?

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Re: Batman Forever
« Reply #31 on: 15:47, 21 March 11 »
One point of criticism: The music slows down sometimes - why is that?

Because you are using an emulator.
I just recorded the whole demo with my 6128.
Will merge real CPC audio to it now (My TV card was not able to record from line in and the mp2 has no audio signal)

Then I'll upload it to youtube.
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Re: Batman Forever
« Reply #32 on: 15:53, 21 March 11 »
Yeah, there is a need for HD video about this demo. The one on Youtube has sync problem (not 50Hz). This demo really deserve the best. :)


Arnoldemu: any luck one day you will release the disc routines ? (with Rhino's agreement)
I found out the double-side feature quite interesting, works perfectly with HxC Floppy Emulator!



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Re: Batman Forever
« Reply #33 on: 16:28, 21 March 11 »
Well, sad that I don't have a real RGB cable to connect my CPC to my TV card,
so I can also not offer a real HD video, you can see here, how the MODE 2 screen looks from my capture:
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Re: Batman Forever
« Reply #34 on: 16:42, 21 March 11 »
What you don't see in emulators is the tricky routine for the flip-screen.
It really looks awesome on a real CPC!
Thanks to line shifting!
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Re: Batman Forever
« Reply #35 on: 17:04, 21 March 11 »
it is a good idea to experiment and work out a good way to capture accurately from a real cpc.
If possible I think you need to use a capture card with r,g,b inputs.

As for the sound, well the standard cpc has various options, stereo (from 3.5mm plug), speaker sound, SOUND on expansion port (may be the same as speaker sound).

You will get different results depending on which sound source you choose.

I'm thinking about connecting my cpc to my 25 years old rear projection tv (46 inch / 4:3) with a scart cable. Video and sound should work. Looking for a good camcorder.
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Re: Batman Forever
« Reply #36 on: 17:23, 21 March 11 »
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Hi, I'm Rhino from Batman Group, an old Amiga demo group known for "Batman Vuelve". I return to the scene after 15 years to make the best 8 bits demo on Amstrad CPC. The project is well advanced, but I need 2 musics to finish it. Are you interested? If yes, please, contact me at rhinobg @t hotmail d.t com and I'll give you more details about the project. Thanks.

He wasn't kidding alright. Now the bar is too high, I'm gonna give up coding on CPC altogether!!!1

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Re: Batman Forever
« Reply #37 on: 18:20, 21 March 11 »
Yeah, it was like "hi, I'm new here coming from nowhere and I'm going to kick your ass" .. and that's exactly what happened.  :D

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Re: Batman Forever
« Reply #38 on: 18:50, 21 March 11 »
Saw it on my Real good old 6128...


Holy shiet !!!!


Awesome !

It jammed my CPC twice...
Good old Arnold mate never worked that much...

I think my poorly installed 3"1/2 disk drive can't perform as well as needed by the Demo...


Pst Edit : ok I used another DiskDrive (I have many...) and this one performs betterly...

But It still jamm My CPC.

This may be an issue due to the fact the Demo is 10minutes longs...

The slightest Hardware failure (Be it Power supply or DiskDrive) is Fatal error.

I mean to run the Demo And get it loading at the same time...
My old First CPC don't make it well...


Faulty Kustom diskDrive...
My brother did an Orkish job with the cables, and the diskdrives use the Monitor's powersupply... monitor who was also repaired cannibalising another one...erf...



Anyway, this is quite bluffing to see it on real Hardware...

Managed to see 8minutes perhaps... last jam on the rotating 3D blue Bat symbol... awesome though...)


Last Edit : ok managed to get it runing completely...
My CPC wasn't warm enough perhaps... :P


This looks almost AtariST quality...
What a rush, what a surprise...


My good old 6128 I'm proud of you...


Also, thx to the team who produced this piece of jewelry... :o

Full Fullscreen Demo... lots of effects and so on.... Complete masterpiece.
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Re: Batman Forever
« Reply #39 on: 21:02, 21 March 11 »
Wow....

Just watched it on a real 6128 Plus and half way through, I started worrying that my z80 might need a heatsink to survive this one :D Seriously impressive.

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Re: Batman Forever
« Reply #40 on: 21:14, 21 March 11 »
have someone compaired between it running on PLUS and CPC ?

I should try...



Also... the CPCinAJar emulation is good...
This enabled me to undertand betterly which and  when mode are used ...

Exemple : the Mode2 "textscreen"... I just couldn't read the text on my real CPC...
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On my blurrish CPC Monitor with a lot of "Remanence"... You may believe every modes display fare more than availlable...

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Re: Batman Forever
« Reply #41 on: 21:20, 21 March 11 »
Here it is... Captured from my real CPC 6128 via MP2 and TV-card.
I had to dub the audio, so perhaps it's not 100% synchronous to the video stream.
Please have mercy ;)

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRiz4thEwuc[/youtube]
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Re: Batman Forever
« Reply #42 on: 01:32, 22 March 11 »
Thank you all for the good reception :)
About the demo video, this have a good frame rate but the music is out of sync after the introduction. :/
I tried to do the "official video" today but my two scart cables are not very good or I'm not doing something well... :) but I get a white/black signal when I connect the cpc to a DVD Recorder.
Does anyone know what is the best way to record the cpc on video? If someone has the hardware to do it well, I also would appreciate if can do it (I have not got the right hardware to do it quickly and some low quality and desync videos are being distributed on youtube now)
I'm afraid the c64 scene are watching it on defective videos and they will continue thinking that their c64 is better than CPC, hehe :)
 
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PS: I think the last video with music will syncronized should be good.

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Re: Batman Forever
« Reply #43 on: 01:46, 22 March 11 »
I like the smooth scaling and zooming in and out. I'd love to see these effects in games.

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Re: Batman Forever
« Reply #44 on: 01:52, 22 March 11 »
Here it is... Captured from my real CPC 6128 via MP2 and TV-card.
I had to dub the audio, so perhaps it's not 100% synchronous to the video stream.
Please have mercy ;)

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRiz4thEwuc[/youtube]

Hi, I think the desync problem was because you are running the single sided version, then you have a little pause to change the disk that is not in the inserted music. Anyway, thank you very much for the video. I understand that I can not ask for more effort on your part :) , but I would appreciate very much if you can send to me the material to make the sound insertion properly by myself.

Thanks in advance.
 
 

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Re: Batman Forever
« Reply #45 on: 04:47, 22 March 11 »
I noticed on my "real" hardware that some transition may be a bit laggy and I even got the music and sounds going wild (noise) instead of playing well...

Sometimes It even (a lot of time) jamed my CPC...
I suspect the faulty DiskDrive/powersupply/and so on...

I had to reset a lot.

The continuous loading must be quite thightly timed I suppose...
Have anyone got such problems ?

The fact that the CPC struggle for 11minutes...
My CPC per exemple, most of his youth was spent playing lone-loading 64 games... the additionnal RAM never was used that much as during the try I gave to your demo... in almost 25years... :-[


As I told, you must perhaps :

=Be sure about your power supply both for the DiskDrive and the CPC...

=Be sure your Disk is well done.

=don't even breath nor blink.... Don't even...blink.... nor think.

=also the component have to be a bit warmed...

And try to have a better connectic than me with my Orkish Kustom DiskaDrivaSlugga...

You have B&W picture ?
What is the "nationality" of your DVD recorder ?

B&W often mean :
=Scart/peritel not properly plugged.
=PAL ? SECAM ? S-Video or RGB ???
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Re: Batman Forever
« Reply #46 on: 10:47, 22 March 11 »
Hi Rhino,
          to solve the B&W problem, try the following connection: http://www.cpcwiki.eu/index.php/TV_SCART_cable#Alternative_RGB_Wiring and include the capacitor shown. The B&W is happening because your Video recorder is reading the composite input instead of the RGB.

@MacDeath, Long unused RAM, should work just as good as well used RAM. And if you are having problems with the CPC before it has warmed up, then you probably have dry joints on the mainboard.

I ran the demo on a real 6128 Plus from a HxC (with the single disk version), there was only one point in the demo where the music stuttered slightly, other than that it's as smooth as.... Something that's really smooth.

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Re: Batman Forever
« Reply #47 on: 11:03, 22 March 11 »

Hi,   I think the desync problem was because you are running the single sided   version, then you have a little pause to change the disk that is not in   the inserted music. Anyway, thank you very much for the video. I   understand that I can not ask for more effort on your part :) , but I would appreciate very much if you can send to me the material to make the sound insertion properly by myself.

Thanks in advance.

I captured both simulteanously. AudioEdit for capturing sound and my TV tool to capture video.

I'll see if I can upload both files. The video is 335mb!
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Re: Batman Forever
« Reply #48 on: 11:29, 22 March 11 »
I noticed on my "real" hardware that some transition may be a bit laggy and I even got the music and sounds going wild (noise) instead of playing well...

Sometimes It even (a lot of time) jamed my CPC...
I suspect the faulty DiskDrive/powersupply/and so on...

I had to reset a lot.

The continuous loading must be quite thightly timed I suppose...
Have anyone got such problems ?

The fact that the CPC struggle for 11minutes...
My CPC per exemple, most of his youth was spent playing lone-loading 64 games... the additionnal RAM never was used that much as during the try I gave to your demo... in almost 25years... :-[


As I told, you must perhaps :

=Be sure about your power supply both for the DiskDrive and the CPC...

=Be sure your Disk is well done.

=don't even breath nor blink.... Don't even...blink.... nor think.

=also the component have to be a bit warmed...

And try to have a better connectic than me with my Orkish Kustom DiskaDrivaSlugga...

You have B&W picture ?
What is the "nationality" of your DVD recorder ?

B&W often mean :
=Scart/peritel not properly plugged.
=PAL ? SECAM ? S-Video or RGB ???

Ok concerning the loading, I'll get some test code ready, would you run it on your system?
Perhaps the loader will need a patch?

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Re: Batman Forever
« Reply #49 on: 12:47, 22 March 11 »
What the !?


A really great demo. Thank you for showing us what is possible on our little CPCs.
Absolutely amazing...


When watching the rotating Batmania I thought I was watching some kind of movie. Never thought such smooth animations would be possible full screen.

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