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Title: Which OS does your "emulation" computer use?
Post by: arnoldemu on 15:37, 11 May 15
I am interested to know which OS your emulation computer uses.

I was recently asked for a 32-bit build of arnold wip. I am interested to know, in general, which OSs people are using for their pc which they emulate CPC on.

EDIT: If I set it up correctly, you can vote ALL that you use, not just one. And I didn't. Hmmm.. I don't know how to make a multi-select poll.
So please vote the MAIN one you use.
Title: Re: Which OS does your "emulation" computer use?
Post by: Carnivius on 15:42, 11 May 15
windows7 32-bitty
Title: Re: Which OS does your "emulation" computer use?
Post by: Joseman on 15:55, 11 May 15
Windows 7 64bit
Title: Re: Which OS does your "emulation" computer use?
Post by: CraigsBar on 16:26, 11 May 15
OSX 64bit Yosemite
Title: Re: Which OS does your "emulation" computer use?
Post by: robcfg on 16:58, 11 May 15
Win7 x64, OSX Yosemite, several flavours of Linux, Raspberry Pi, XBox, you name it...
Title: Re: Which OS does your "emulation" computer use?
Post by: TFM on 19:12, 11 May 15
Looks like Win7 64 won the race.  8)
Title: Re: Which OS does your "emulation" computer use?
Post by: CraigsBar on 19:25, 11 May 15
Booo hiss but no surprise. Don't let this stop you working on an Arnold port of the latest version for osx, for me ;)
Title: Re: Which OS does your "emulation" computer use?
Post by: TFM on 19:26, 11 May 15
Boooo - pure egoism!  ;D 8)
Title: Re: Which OS does your "emulation" computer use?
Post by: Devilmarkus on 19:42, 11 May 15
Win 7 64bit...
Title: Re: Which OS does your "emulation" computer use?
Post by: remax on 20:09, 11 May 15
Win 7 64bit...

+1
Title: Re: Which OS does your "emulation" computer use?
Post by: MaV on 20:24, 11 May 15
I use Win 7 64 bit and Linux 64 bit mostly.

Title: Re: Which OS does your "emulation" computer use?
Post by: FloppySoftware on 20:30, 11 May 15
CP/M Plus.  8)
The Windows emulation layer is under construction yet (I have a problem with the mouse driver).  :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Title: Re: Which OS does your "emulation" computer use?
Post by: Bryce on 00:12, 12 May 15
Mine runs on a Z80 system with 128K RAM... oh wait it's not an emulation, it's the real thing... Anything else is just not the same :)

Bryce.
Title: Re: Which OS does your "emulation" computer use?
Post by: TFM on 00:25, 12 May 15
They asked for the *SOFTWARE*  :laugh:
Title: Re: Which OS does your "emulation" computer use?
Post by: Bryce on 00:38, 12 May 15
They asked for the *SOFTWARE*  :laugh:

Oh, you're right, my mistake... Mine runs on AmsDOS :)

Bryce.
Title: Re: Which OS does your "emulation" computer use?
Post by: TFM on 00:43, 12 May 15
Excellent!  :)
Title: Re: Which OS does your "emulation" computer use?
Post by: alex76gr on 09:48, 12 May 15
XP 32bit on a P4 machine.
I am stranded with this PC for years but it emulates well most 8bit-16bit machines.
Title: Re: Which OS does your "emulation" computer use?
Post by: Singaja on 11:30, 12 May 15
I'd like an option with OS X + Parallels. Nothing beats WinAPE imho.
And I use CPCBox - Amstrad CPC emulator in Javascript (http://www.cpcbox.com/) too from time to time
Title: Re: Which OS does your "emulation" computer use?
Post by: TotO on 11:46, 12 May 15
OSX with CPC++.
Parallels with Mainly MESS and SugarBox. Both are very accurate and promising. (wip)
WinAPE becomes old... Many things are not properly emulated. But sure, it is nice for developers and PLUS users.
Title: Re: Which OS does your "emulation" computer use?
Post by: Singaja on 12:06, 12 May 15
In which areas WinAPE is inaccurate? Does CPC++, MESS or SugarBox offer such debugging capabilities?
Title: Re: Which OS does your "emulation" computer use?
Post by: CraigsBar on 12:45, 12 May 15
Can I vote. For MorphOS and ACE please. It is. Better even than winape.

Sent from my Nexus 7 using Tapatalk

Title: Re: Which OS does your "emulation" computer use?
Post by: McKlain on 15:15, 12 May 15
In what areas WinAPE is inaccurate?


Sound, for example.
Title: Re: Which OS does your "emulation" computer use?
Post by: arnoldemu on 15:42, 12 May 15
The poll is independent of which emulator you use, so although people are saying which emulator they prefer this is not counted and not important here.

The OS they use to run that emulator is the important thing here.

Title: Re: Which OS does your "emulation" computer use?
Post by: CraigsBar on 16:11, 12 May 15
The poll is independent of which emulator you use, so although people are saying which emulator they prefer this is not counted and not important here.

The OS they use to run that emulator is the important thing here.
well for emulating the CPC/plus in that case is MorphOS. For emulating anything else Mac OSX.

I'd love a decent CPC/plus emulator for OSX, but there isn't one.
Title: Re: Which OS does your "emulation" computer use?
Post by: ivarf on 16:27, 12 May 15
I would have liked to emulate my cpc on Android phones and tablets
Title: Re: Which OS does your "emulation" computer use?
Post by: CraigsBar on 16:39, 12 May 15
And the plus Please. I tried to set up a contest to stimulate development of this a while ago.... But got no interest.

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Title: Re: Which OS does your "emulation" computer use?
Post by: TFM on 18:51, 12 May 15
It's time for an OSX emulator on CPC. I can't afford another computer.  8)
Title: Re: Which OS does your "emulation" computer use?
Post by: TotO on 19:21, 12 May 15
The poll is independent of which emulator you use, so although people are saying which emulator they prefer this is not counted and not important here.
Usually, peoples use what they prefer. :)
But sure, we can vote and shut-up!  :-\
Title: Re: Which OS does your "emulation" computer use?
Post by: VincentGR on 22:15, 12 May 15
Many pcs here but the main is 8.1 x64.
Title: Re: Which OS does your "emulation" computer use?
Post by: chinnyhill10 on 22:52, 12 May 15



Em-u-what? All the real deal here!


OSX is in desperate need of a CPC emulator that isn't rubbish though!
Title: Re: Which OS does your "emulation" computer use?
Post by: alex76gr on 00:05, 13 May 15
Yes indeed.
And of course a PPC binary along with the X86 would be bliss.
Some people still using their PPC Macs from time ti time... :blank:

Quote
OSX is in desperate need of a CPC emulator that isn't rubbish though!
Title: Re: Which OS does your "emulation" computer use?
Post by: mahlemiut on 01:23, 13 May 15
Ubuntu 10.04 64-bit here - old, but so is my PC, and it does what I want it to.  Mostly use MESS (since I work on it fairly regularly), but can use WinAPE via Wine if need be.
Title: Re: Which OS does your "emulation" computer use?
Post by: BSC on 10:54, 13 May 15
Ubuntu 12.04 here (and also some Mac OS X which is no longer supported thanks to Fuc^h^h^hApple) and I wonder which emulator does in fact work AND properly emulate sophisticated stuff like recent demos etc. I have tried some of the available emulators over the last couple of years (don't ask me for names, they escape me atm), but none of them was really useful, so I resorted to Arnold on the Mac, which works quite well imo.

So: Which emulators for the Linux platform (especially older Ubuntu and a non-state-of-the-art graphics card) can you recommend? (and sorry for capturing the thread!)
Title: Re: Which OS does your "emulation" computer use?
Post by: AMSDOS on 14:29, 13 May 15
In which areas WinAPE is inaccurate? Does CPC++, MESS or SugarBox offer such debugging capabilities?


Unsure if anyone is addressing the "&BCD7 KL NEW FRAME FLY" problem. This is the one Sprites Alive (BASIC version) uses on Initiation for setting up an Event Block. The Event Block in Sprites Alive case Disables Interrupts, so on a machine with 128kb, it should crash when accessing the extra 64k. None of the Emulators (like Winape, WinCPC or CPCE) are doing this.


But I'm guessing it's a problem in the too hard basket?
Title: Re: Which OS does your "emulation" computer use?
Post by: TFM on 18:38, 13 May 15
Many pcs here but the main is 8.1 x64.


Where do you see that? Win 8 hat 11 votes, Win 7 has 17 (actually 20, when including 32 bit).
Title: Re: Which OS does your "emulation" computer use?
Post by: remax on 19:26, 13 May 15

Where do you see that? Win 8 hat 11 votes, Win 7 has 17 (actually 20, when including 32 bit).

He is talking about him
Title: Re: Which OS does your "emulation" computer use?
Post by: Prodatron on 19:39, 13 May 15
WinApe is one of the reasons why I would never use another PC OS than Windows!  ;D
(my is Windows 7 64bit)
Title: Re: Which OS does your "emulation" computer use?
Post by: Singaja on 21:30, 13 May 15
WinApe is one of the reasons why I would never use another PC OS than Windows!  ;D
(my is Windows 7 64bit)
^WinApe works like charm on OS X & Parallels.
Title: Re: Which OS does your "emulation" computer use?
Post by: Gryzor on 20:07, 17 May 15
I'm emulating a community of people on a Debian box. This way I have more than 1000 imaginary friends :)
Title: Re: Which OS does your "emulation" computer use?
Post by: Apollo on 21:38, 17 May 15
Win7 64bit

Your question sounds a lot like my thoughts since about a year about starting an emulator on QT for a wide range of supported plattforms with a feature set like WinAPE.
Sadly I didn't have the time beyond some basic Z80 and GA emulation...
Title: Re: Which OS does your "emulation" computer use?
Post by: Carnivius on 10:40, 04 June 15
I have to change mine cos I got a new (second hand) PC for gamedev project reasons and it's got the 64bit Windows 7 rather than my laptop's 32bit version.  :)    I may use both for emulation purposes but this PC has the identical dual monitors set up which are 4:3 aspect ratio cos I like that for work and and retrogaming.
Title: Re: Which OS does your "emulation" computer use?
Post by: arnoldemu on 11:27, 04 June 15
I asked the question because I have been working on a new version of arnold for a few years. I was interested to know the spread of OS used to know where to concentrate my efforts.

Yes I have a "top secret" fossil source control management (Fossil: Home (http://www.fossil-scm.org)) based repository of code. Some people know it's URL.

The emulator already has a wxwidgets based GUI, it uses SDL underneath. The GUI is well advanced and rivals winape's. The emu works fine on linux and windows and ok on mac.

I know Craig wants a mac version and it's close. ;)

Recently somebody asked if there was a version that ran on windows xp. So i wanted to know which OS do people have, how much time should I take to make it compatible with various devices.


Title: Re: Which OS does your "emulation" computer use?
Post by: Gryzor on 18:18, 07 June 15
Ohhh screen shot please! :)


Also, how many of you got the little annoying icon  about getting in line for Windows 10? :D
Title: Re: Which OS does your "emulation" computer use?
Post by: gerald on 18:23, 07 June 15
Also, how many of you got the little annoying icon  about getting in line for Windows 10? :D
Not on my Win7, but maybe it because I removed the update that added it before it pops-up  ;D
Title: Re: Which OS does your "emulation" computer use?
Post by: Gryzor on 18:26, 07 June 15
Ah that's what happens when you don't check each KBxxxxx...
Title: Re: Which OS does your "emulation" computer use?
Post by: Bryce on 10:39, 08 June 15
Yes, I got the Win10 free download icon. Does it just download a complete image or does it install on the fly?

Bryce.
Title: Re: Which OS does your "emulation" computer use?
Post by: Gryzor on 12:08, 08 June 15
I guess both, like the Win8 installer on Win7- downloads the image, prepares the system, reboots and proceeds to fuck your system up upgrade your system. It asks you at every step, I'd presume. Looking kind of forward to it after the 8 clusterfuck.
Title: Re: Which OS does your "emulation" computer use?
Post by: Bryce on 14:05, 08 June 15
I'm still on Win7, but I'd like to download the image so that I can decide to install it later if the reviews are good.

Bryce.
Title: Re: Which OS does your "emulation" computer use?
Post by: VincentGR on 14:17, 08 June 15
I'm still on Win7, but I'd like to download the image so that I can decide to install it later if the reviews are good.

Bryce.

You've been warned  ;D

I have it too but I doubt that it is available. Still trying to stable win8 on me desk from clean install.
Imagine this shit as a patch on you old os... terror.
Title: Re: Which OS does your "emulation" computer use?
Post by: Bryce on 15:10, 08 June 15
If I did decide to use it I'd definitely do a clean install.

Bryce.
Title: Re: Which OS does your "emulation" computer use?
Post by: Gryzor on 16:02, 08 June 15
Win8 installed over a Win7 installation was good enough, actually (but the OS sucked). But yeah, clean installs are always better.


As for the image, since MS is giving it away for free for the first year (if I'm not mistaken) you'll be able to find it everywhere... Or just search your system for the iso once it tells you it's there :)
Title: Re: Which OS does your "emulation" computer use?
Post by: VincentGR on 16:47, 08 June 15
My advice to you is to use symbos instead of windows.

Or workbench as it is the supreme OS...

 ;D
Title: Re: Which OS does your "emulation" computer use?
Post by: invent on 13:38, 10 September 15
Sorry to bring up older threads. :) ( new enthusiastic user) :)


I use Mac OS mainly, which means I use Arnold.  I'm open to other platform (eg using win 7) to play amstrad games.  I don't have a real amstrad unfortunately.  I wonder if suggesting some crowd funding for further development. I would donate. 


As a side thought, I recently discovered an excellent mutiplatform emulator for the Mac Called "open emu", seems to be very well setup for controls/ joystick settings. It doesn't as yet support Amstrad sadly, maybe one day :)


I wonder out of all the emulators which is the most accurate emulation? 



Title: Re: Which OS does your "emulation" computer use?
Post by: Singaja on 13:43, 10 September 15
On vanilla OS X have a look on JavaCPC. If you consider Parallels/Win tandem WinApe is really accurate.
Title: Re: Which OS does your "emulation" computer use?
Post by: invent on 13:51, 10 September 15
On vanilla OS X have a look on JavaCPC. If you consider Parallels/Win tandem WinApe is really accurate.


Thanks for the response Singaja, I will look at both.  Besides playing the games I'm interested in ripping the sprites or at least capturing screenshots for closer research in pixel / shading ideas.
Title: Re: Which OS does your "emulation" computer use?
Post by: CraigsBar on 15:03, 10 September 15
Arnold on osx has become unloved and much needing a couple of bugfixes. As it seems abandoned @arnoldemu was working on it again, but he hasn't got a Mac so is using osx virtualized.

If you can get your hands on an ppc Mac mini, and fancy installing MorphOS on it, then ace is the best CPC & plus emulator I have found on any platform.
Title: Re: Which OS does your "emulation" computer use?
Post by: arnoldemu on 15:04, 10 September 15
I wonder out of all the emulators which is the most accurate emulation?
Probably Ace under MorphOS.

There is a wip of arnold which builds and runs under macosx, but it's not as well polished as the Arnold from Richard Bannister.
Title: Re: Which OS does your "emulation" computer use?
Post by: ||C|-|E|| on 15:23, 10 September 15
I always use Windows 7 x64 for emulation and, in general, as my desktop operating system :). I work with linux quite a lot, but it always with the terminal  ::)
Title: Re: Which OS does your "emulation" computer use?
Post by: Fessor on 18:02, 10 September 15
A Dual-Boot-System with Kubuntu 14.04 for most of the Time. Windows was banned to Virtualbox.
Title: Re: Which OS does your "emulation" computer use?
Post by: PHabermehl on 23:21, 16 September 15
Uh, oh, missed the poll....

So:

5x Linux64 (Suse13.2)
1x Raspbian
Title: Re: Which OS does your "emulation" computer use?
Post by: Shaun M. Neary on 20:10, 17 November 15
I'm another stranded OS X user too.

Bannister's buggy piece of crap really isn't cutting the mustard at all.
@arnoldemu (http://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=122) - I'll happily go through with you how to install OS X on a regular PC via Hackintosh if it'll help!  :laugh:
Title: Re: Which OS does your "emulation" computer use?
Post by: TFM on 20:39, 17 November 15
Since the weekend I'm proud user of 128 bit Windows 9.  ???
Title: Re: Which OS does your "emulation" computer use?
Post by: CraigsBar on 20:41, 17 November 15
I'm another stranded OS X user too.

Bannister's buggy piece of crap really isn't cutting the mustard at all.
@arnoldemu (http://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=122) - I'll happily go through with you how to install OS X on a regular PC via Hackintosh if it'll help!  :laugh:
I agreed re-bannister's Arnold. I like the icon tho. My emulation is now under morphos on a Mac mini g4 'silent upgrade' ;)
Title: Re: Which OS does your "emulation" computer use?
Post by: chinnyhill10 on 20:52, 17 November 15
I agreed re-bannister's Arnold. I like the icon tho. My emulation is now under morphos on a Mac mini g4 'silent upgrade' ;)


Arnold is a piece of shit. Really terrible. Really need a working emulator on OSX to aid me getting images across to my real CPC.
Title: Re: Which OS does your "emulation" computer use?
Post by: TFM on 20:58, 17 November 15

Arnold is a piece of shit. Really terrible. Really need a working emulator on OSX to aid me getting images across to my real CPC.


Can you please calm down and stop insulting other peoples hard work. Instead of insulting here more often you could better use your time to make a better product by yourself.  >:(
Title: Re: Which OS does your "emulation" computer use?
Post by: Shaun M. Neary on 21:12, 17 November 15

Can you please calm down and stop insulting other peoples hard work. Instead of insulting here more often you could better use your time to make a better product by yourself.  >:(


I'm sorry, but no. Have you ever had the misfortune to ever use Arnold on a Mac?
Constant resets, extra bugs in games, not to mention the fact that he stripped out joypad and full screen support so that he can charge £20 for "Emulator Enhancer" (which will still work by answering the nag).

That emulator deserves all the criticism, and then some!
Title: Re: Which OS does your "emulation" computer use?
Post by: villain on 21:28, 17 November 15
After several years on OSX I'm now also back into the world of Windows. :-) Still need to find out how to make a Hackintosh (in Virtualbox) out of it.
Title: Re: Which OS does your "emulation" computer use?
Post by: Shaun M. Neary on 21:30, 17 November 15
After several years on OSX I'm now also back into the world of Windows. :-) Still need to find out how to make a Hackintosh (in Virtualbox) out of it.


Virtualbox? Ew no, sir!
Throw it on an old hard drive and look up Chimera or Clover bootloader! ;)
Title: Re: Which OS does your "emulation" computer use?
Post by: CraigsBar on 21:41, 17 November 15

I'm sorry, but no. Have you ever had the misfortune to ever use Arnold on a Mac?
Constant resets, extra bugs in games, not to mention the fact that he stripped out joypad and full screen support so that he can charge £20 for "Emulator Enhancer" (which will still work by answering the nag).

That emulator deserves all the criticism, and then some!


You forgot to mention that it cannot emulate 128k machine, It SAYS it is running 128k but then only actually implements 64k - so 128k games don't work. Oh, and the incomplete options for tape loading (You can load a CDT but there is no tape control) so you cannot actually "start" the tape.


Craig

Title: Re: Which OS does your "emulation" computer use?
Post by: Shaun M. Neary on 21:43, 17 November 15

You forgot to mention that it cannot emulate 128k machine, It SAYS it is running 128k but then only actually implements 64k - so 128k games don't work. Oh, and the incomplete options for tape loading (You can load a CDT but there is no tape control) so you cannot actually "start" the tape.


Craig


Can't say I had that problem. Chase HQ loaded fine for me, loaded all the levels in one go. Pretty sure I got 128k Double Dragon going on it too.
Unless I'm missing something.

See? I CAN defend the emulator sometimes!  :laugh:
Title: Re: Which OS does your "emulation" computer use?
Post by: dodogildo on 23:19, 17 November 15
 No offense but I'm having difficulties to understand why someone ever feels the urge to waste precious time and energy with an emulator even though he owns the original hardware... (Apart from the development purposes of course. This's obvious.)
Title: Re: Which OS does your "emulation" computer use?
Post by: Bryce on 23:31, 17 November 15
No offense but I'm having difficulties to understand why someone ever feels the urge to waste precious time and energy with an emulator even though he owns the original hardware... (Apart from the development purposes of course. This's obvious.)

I'm with you on this. I don't have any emulators, but I don't code. If you own the real hardware, why would you ever want to use an emulator? Maybe for gaming when you are on the move with just your laptop?
You can't beat the "real feel", but if you don't have a choice, you'll be glad they exist. :)

Bryce.
Title: Re: Which OS does your "emulation" computer use?
Post by: chinnyhill10 on 00:04, 18 November 15

Can you please calm down and stop insulting other peoples hard work. Instead of insulting here more often you could better use your time to make a better product by yourself.  >:(


TFM's double standards always amuse. Always happy to kick off at nothing he also enjoys policing others when they don't agree with his views!


Arnold on the Mac is useless. Try using it on a Mac without a numeric keypad, try navigating your way through the awful menus, try battling with all the add on bits you have to pay for if you want it to work properly.
Title: Re: Which OS does your "emulation" computer use?
Post by: CraigsBar on 00:09, 18 November 15
I'm with you on this. I don't have any emulators, but I don't code. If you own the real hardware, why would you ever want to use an emulator? Maybe for gaming when you are on the move with just your laptop?
You can't beat the "real feel", but if you don't have a choice, you'll be glad they exist. :)

Bryce.
indeed, the real feel is great, but although my desk is big, it's not big enough! emulation on the Morphos Mac Mini, or Mac Pro takes up no space and gives me a whole plethora (love using that word) of machines that I both own and do not. without moving monitors, power supplies and computers around.


I see room for both in my life but yes I do prefer the real thing wherever possible.


Oh, I am soon to get a new TV in the lounge (A Samsung curved 48" SUHD jobby) with no SCART socket Crap what am I going to do!


Craig
Title: Re: Which OS does your "emulation" computer use?
Post by: chinnyhill10 on 00:10, 18 November 15
No offense but I'm having difficulties to understand why someone ever feels the urge to waste precious time and energy with an emulator even though he owns the original hardware... (Apart from the development purposes of course. This's obvious.)


A rather naive opinion. Emulators are invaluable for those of us using original hardware.


Downloading images and quickly testing them before going to the trouble of converting them to HxC format, just fire up the emulator. On the road and wanting to do research for ChinnyVision, well I can't cart a CPC with me but I can boot up an emulator and do research before i do the reviews using the real hardware.


Also we need continued emulator development to keep the machine alive. One day we won't have working CPC's. All we will have is emulation. One of the reasons I review using original hardware is to preserve what the output of the machines look like.


In short there are lots of uses for emulators even if you own four CPC's as I do.
Title: Re: Which OS does your "emulation" computer use?
Post by: chinnyhill10 on 00:16, 18 November 15
(A Samsung curved 48" SUHD jobby) with no SCART socket Crap what am I going to do!


Craig


Buy a different TV that has a SCART socket. Or get good quality converter. None of that Ebay crap with a PSU that will burn your house down and have horrible over sharpened pictures on a delay.

Title: Re: Which OS does your "emulation" computer use?
Post by: Bryce on 00:20, 18 November 15
indeed, the real feel is great, but although my desk is big, it's not big enough! emulation on the Morphos Mac Mini, or Mac Pro takes up no space and gives me a whole plethora (love using that word) of machines that I both own and do not. without moving monitors, power supplies and computers around.


I see room for both in my life but yes I do prefer the real thing wherever possible.


Oh, I am soon to get a new TV in the lounge (A Samsung curved 48" SUHD jobby) with no SCART socket Crap what am I going to do!


Craig

Does it have S-Video?

@chinnyhill10 (http://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=984): Just because an image doesn't work on an emulator doesn't mean it wouldn't work on the real thing.

Bryce.
Title: Re: Which OS does your "emulation" computer use?
Post by: chinnyhill10 on 00:24, 18 November 15
Does it have S-Video?

@chinnyhill10 (http://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=984): Just because an image doesn't work on an emulator doesn't mean it wouldn't work on the real thing.

Bryce.


I was thinking more about testing in terms of seeing what version of a game is in an image, is it cracked or original, etc, before I put it on the real machine.
Title: Re: Which OS does your "emulation" computer use?
Post by: Shaun M. Neary on 00:34, 18 November 15
I'm with you on this. I don't have any emulators, but I don't code. If you own the real hardware, why would you ever want to use an emulator? Maybe for gaming when you are on the move with just your laptop?
You can't beat the "real feel", but if you don't have a choice, you'll be glad they exist. :)

Bryce.

If I could get my mits on a 6128 with HxC, I probably would nab one with the proper power supply and a cable to hook to a TV. Don't really have room for the clunky box monitors.
Title: Re: Which OS does your "emulation" computer use?
Post by: dodogildo on 07:34, 18 November 15



A rather naive opinion. Emulators are invaluable for those of us using original hardware.


Downloading images and quickly testing them before going to the trouble of converting them to HxC format, just fire up the emulator.

Pardon my 'naiveté' , but did you really think that by  'wasting precious time' I meant all these necessary testing/converting etc.. If yes,  that's what I call 'naive'  [emoji23]

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Title: Re: Which OS does your "emulation" computer use?
Post by: AMSDOS on 09:11, 18 November 15
After several years on OSX I'm now also back into the world of Windows. :-) Still need to find out how to make a Hackintosh (in Virtualbox) out of it.


Waste of time if you ask me, you need the right kind of PC with the right BIOS.
Title: Re: Which OS does your "emulation" computer use?
Post by: CraigsBar on 11:17, 18 November 15

Waste of time if you ask me, you need the right kind of PC with the right BIOS.
Yep agreed, if you want a Mac, then pick up a Mac mini, they are beautifully made and cost less than a PC of the same spec to be 'hackintosh'ed and come with guaranteed osx compatibility without the hassle.
Title: Re: Which OS does your "emulation" computer use?
Post by: dodogildo on 11:29, 18 November 15
Yep agreed, if you want a Mac, then pick up a Mac mini, they are beautifully made and cost less than a PC of the same spec to be 'hackintosh'ed and come with guaranteed osx compatibility without the hassle.
They're also great to use as PLEX servers when they got old. They age beautifully  :)
Title: Re: Which OS does your "emulation" computer use?
Post by: Singaja on 12:19, 18 November 15
I can only confirm what others said that I haven't found a decent OS X native emulator. I use Parallels Desktop + Win 8.1 + WinApe on my mac. Occasionally the sound gets glitchy but apart from it, it's a really sleek development environment.
Title: Re: Which OS does your "emulation" computer use?
Post by: chinnyhill10 on 13:08, 18 November 15
. Occasionally the sound gets glitchy but apart from it, it's a really sleek development environment.


Now waiting for someone to chime in to say how dare you develop on an emulator and not the real machine.
Title: Re: Which OS does your "emulation" computer use?
Post by: reidrac on 13:21, 18 November 15
Now waiting for someone to chime in to say how dare you develop on an emulator and not the real machine.

I do cross-development from Linux; I don't think I could develop at the same level/speed if I was restricted to my CPC 464 (cassette only!  ::)).

I'm currently using WinAPE in Linux via WINE and is far from perfect; but that's the best I got after testing many options. It provides the best emulation with quick start up time and reasonable resource usage. Occasionally I test things on JavaCPC before running the code in the real hardware.

I know @arnoldemu (http://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=122) is working on a native emulator that looks very promising, but it needs some work before is useful for development. AFAIK it'll be open source; hopefully it'll fill the gap providing a good emulator with good support in Linux (eg, like FUSE does for the Speccy).
Title: Re: Which OS does your "emulation" computer use?
Post by: villain on 13:35, 18 November 15
Yep agreed, if you want a Mac, then pick up a Mac mini, they are beautifully made and cost less than a PC of the same spec to be 'hackintosh'ed and come with guaranteed osx compatibility without the hassle.
I still own a Mini. I'm just curios what's possible nowadays with Virtualbox. :-)
Title: Re: Which OS does your "emulation" computer use?
Post by: Shaun M. Neary on 14:59, 18 November 15
Yep agreed, if you want a Mac, then pick up a Mac mini, they are beautifully made and cost less than a PC of the same spec to be 'hackintosh'ed and come with guaranteed osx compatibility without the hassle.


Spoken by someone who's never used a Hackintosh.
Hackintosh isn't for everyone admittedly, but if you like your hardware not locked down or welded to the motherboard, then it's the way to go. It doesn't even need a specific type of BIOS either, Chimera will work on a legacy BIOS while Clover works best with UEFI.

Five years of using them, never had an issue. Once it's loaded, leave it loaded. =)
Title: Re: Which OS does your "emulation" computer use?
Post by: Singaja on 15:02, 18 November 15

Spoken by someone who's never used a Hackintosh.
Hackintosh isn't for everyone admittedly, but if you like your hardware not locked down or welded to the motherboard, then it's the way to go. It doesn't even need a specific type of BIOS either, Chimera will work on a legacy BIOS while Clover works best with UEFI.

Five years of using them, never had an issue. Once it's loaded, leave it loaded. =)
Good luck with upgrading  ;)  Btw license strictly forbids running OS X on non-Apple hardware that includes virtualised instances too.
Title: Re: Which OS does your "emulation" computer use?
Post by: CraigsBar on 16:50, 18 November 15

Spoken by someone who's never used a Hackintosh.
Hackintosh isn't for everyone admittedly, but if you like your hardware not locked down or welded to the motherboard, then it's the way to go. It doesn't even need a specific type of BIOS either, Chimera will work on a legacy BIOS while Clover works best with UEFI.

Five years of using them, never had an issue. Once it's loaded, leave it loaded. =)
How do you know I've never run a hackintosh? Did i ever say that? Or give that impression?

I did have a series of netbooks and laptops running osx (clearly hackintoshed) to accompany my first desktop Mac. However I found the hassle and problems far outweigh the advantages so now choose to use the original apple hardware.

And to say that apple hardware is too expensive, well top spec macs are expensive, but so are similar spec PC's and the mini is a bargain.

The only area I agree (partially) with the cost argument is the laptops. Apple ones are considerably more expensive than similar windows machines, but the build quality is way better. Havebyou seen (or felt) the shoddy plastics on the current €1400 lenovo think pad shudder.
Title: Re: Which OS does your "emulation" computer use?
Post by: CraigsBar on 16:54, 18 November 15
Good luck with upgrading  ;)  Btw license strictly forbids running OS X on non-Apple hardware that includes virtualised instances too.
Unless you run the virtualisation software on a Mac too. I which case it's fine.

I run snow leopard under VMware to be able to test ppc apps before hooking up the powermac g5 and installing them for real.
Title: Re: Which OS does your "emulation" computer use?
Post by: Singaja on 18:08, 18 November 15
Unless you run the virtualisation software on a Mac too. I which case it's fine.

I run snow leopard under VMware to be able to test ppc apps before hooking up the powermac g5 and installing them for real.
That's correct and that's what I meant.
Title: Re: Which OS does your "emulation" computer use?
Post by: balford on 23:55, 18 November 15
I've no experience with Arnold as, being a Windows user, I get to use WinAPE natively.

In general though, an emulator needs to be intuitive, easy to use, feature packed and have exact (or as near as dammit) emulation in order to get away with charging for it. The Spectaculator ZX Spectrum emulator falls nicely into this category.

Free/open source emulators are generally forgiven these quirks, and the open source ones can end up being the most accurate. Just a pity that particular box hasn't been ticked yet on OS X.

B
Title: Re: Which OS does your "emulation" computer use?
Post by: chinnyhill10 on 00:02, 19 November 15

Free/open source emulators are generally forgiven these quirks, and the open source ones can end up being the most accurate. Just a pity that particular box hasn't been ticked yet on OS X.

B


And I'm sure that actually if someone could come up with a decent Mac port of WinApe, we could make it worth their while. I'd pay for a CPC good emulator.


A fwhile back I was stuck in a hotel room with time to kill and was editing a video. I needed to check something in the game and usually I'd just fire up the CPC. However it was 200 miles away. So I fired up Arnold only to find the game in question (Airwolf) was Joystick only and I just couldn't get the keys bindings to work at all. An absolutely typical example of why we need Winape or a equivalent on the Mac.



Title: Re: Which OS does your "emulation" computer use?
Post by: CraigsBar on 00:05, 19 November 15

And I'm sure that actually if someone could come up with a decent Mac port of WinApe, we could make it worth their while. I'd pay for a CPC good emulator.


A fwhile back I was stuck in a hotel room with time to kill and was editing a video. I needed to check something in the game and usually I'd just fire up the CPC. However it was 200 miles away. So I fired up Arnold only to find the game in question (Airwolf) was Joystick only and I just couldn't get the keys bindings to work at all. An absolutely typical example of why we need Winape or a equivalent on the Mac.


I'd prefer ACE or Arnold to be ported to OSX, they are both more accurate than WinAPE.
Title: Re: Which OS does your "emulation" computer use?
Post by: chinnyhill10 on 00:24, 19 November 15

I'd prefer ACE or Arnold to be ported to OSX, they are both more accurate than WinAPE.


Fair point. I'm not using it for precision stuff. It's mainly just checking or quickly comparing images before I put them onto the real deal.


Does any emulator read or write directly to HxC format yet? That would be a boon. Pop the SD card out the computer straight into the CPC without all that tedious conversion stuff.
Title: Re: Which OS does your "emulation" computer use?
Post by: Shaun M. Neary on 00:59, 19 November 15
Good luck with upgrading  ;)   Btw license strictly forbids running OS X on non-Apple hardware that includes virtualised instances too.


Upgrading actually isn't that difficult, 10.11 looks a little messier, but I tend to do clean installs and then import from a TM backup.
I'm aware of the licence, but seeing as they're essentially running a bastardised version of NetBSD and locking it down, I'm choosing to ignore it.  :laugh:



How do you know I've never run a hackintosh? Did i ever say that? Or give that impression?

I did have a series of netbooks and laptops running osx (clearly hackintoshed) to accompany my first desktop Mac. However I found the hassle and problems far outweigh the advantages so now choose to use the original apple hardware.

And to say that apple hardware is too expensive, well top spec macs are expensive, but so are similar spec PC's and the mini is a bargain.

The only area I agree (partially) with the cost argument is the laptops. Apple ones are considerably more expensive than similar windows machines, but the build quality is way better. Havebyou seen (or felt) the shoddy plastics on the current €1400 lenovo think pad shudder.


First off, no offence intended. Usually most people who harp on about the quality of the build are usually from the anti-hackintosh crowd who quite frankly bore me to tears, so you can understand how I came to that conclusion.


I don't bother Hackintoshing laptops. One of the reasons I pay the premiums for Macbook Pros and Macbook Air's is due to the battery life, Lenovos and Acers simply don't compete. I've also found Power Management to be a complete pain in the ass. Believe me, as an owner of a 13" Macbook Pro, a 17" MacBook Pro and a 13" MacBook Air (for general use, photography use and work use respectively), not to mention a couple of ATV's, iPhone and iPad. Believe me when I tell you, Apple have gotten quite a chunk of my cash.  :laugh:

Again, I'm speaking in terms of desktop hardware (and I really should have stated that, I thought I did), I'm sorry, but the price for a Mac Pro? with no monitor or accessories? They can take a hike. I've gotten me a nice Thermaltake Armor to house several drives.  :laugh: ;)
Title: Re: Which OS does your "emulation" computer use?
Post by: CraigsBar on 01:16, 19 November 15
The new Mac pro is a joke! Pro desktop my arse, it's a Mac mini on banned performance enhancing substances ;)

My Mac pro (late 2012) is a beautiful hexacore aluminium powerhouse. All my expansions are internal, it has performance to spare and, although it cost €3.5k a Linux PC built to the same standard and spec would cost a very similar price, and be a much bigger pita.

No plans here to upgrade yet ;)
Title: Re: Which OS does your "emulation" computer use?
Post by: Shaun M. Neary on 01:24, 19 November 15
The new Mac pro is a joke! Pro desktop my arse, it's a Mac mini on banned performance enhancing substances ;)

My Mac pro (late 2012) is a beautiful hexacore aluminium powerhouse. All my expansions are internal, it has performance to spare and, although it cost €3.5k a Linux PC built to the same standard and spec would cost a very similar price, and be a much bigger pita.

No plans here to upgrade yet ;)

My sentiments exactly! But sadly it seems to be the way it's going with their design. Times like this I'd love to throttle Jony Ive.

Desktop hack is running quite smoothly though, with a Samsung 28" 4K monitor. It got it's upgrade in January from old Mac Pro 2008 hardware spec, so the difference truly is unreal.

But getting back on track, it would be nice to see a nice version of Arnold for OS X, and I'll do all I can to aid in this, provide I can get SDK to work properly =D
Title: Re: Which OS does your "emulation" computer use?
Post by: CraigsBar on 01:35, 19 November 15
I think the best we can do is donate a modernish Mac mini to @arnoldemu. A core2duo will still run Mavericks, Yosemite or ElCapitan right?
Title: Re: Which OS does your "emulation" computer use?
Post by: Shaun M. Neary on 01:37, 19 November 15
I think the best we can do is donate a modernish Mac mini to @arnoldemu (http://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=122). A core2duo will still run Mavericks, Yosemite or ElCapitan right?


Or he can give me instructions and I'll be the crash dummy! My term finished today, I've fuck all to do for the next eight weeks! xD
Title: Re: Which OS does your "emulation" computer use?
Post by: arnoldemu on 19:32, 19 November 15
I think the best we can do is donate a modernish Mac mini to @arnoldemu (http://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=122). A core2duo will still run Mavericks, Yosemite or ElCapitan right?
I would happily accept the lowest spec intel mac mini that would allow me to visit the app store install xcode and the command-line tools and build wxwidgets and arnold. Lower spec also means I can easily see performance problems when they happen.

Shaun is helping but it's much easier if I could use one myself.
Title: Re: Which OS does your "emulation" computer use?
Post by: chinnyhill10 on 19:39, 19 November 15
I would happily accept the lowest spec intel mac mini that would allow me to visit the app store install xcode and the command-line tools and build wxwidgets and arnold. Lower spec also means I can easily see performance problems when they happen.

Shaun is helping but it's much easier if I could use one myself.


Could we crowdfund it? Actually do a proper job on this so you can get the resources and equipment you need to get this up and running? And hell, and also to make it worth your while?


I think a modest goal of whatever a second hand Mini or refurbed Mini of a decent spec + some beer tokens would do it? Anyone have any thoughts? 400 quid?
Title: Re: Which OS does your "emulation" computer use?
Post by: Shaun M. Neary on 19:44, 19 November 15
I would happily accept the lowest spec intel mac mini that would allow me to visit the app store install xcode and the command-line tools and build wxwidgets and arnold. Lower spec also means I can easily see performance problems when they happen.

Shaun is helping but it's much easier if I could use one myself.


Would remote access to my machine via a shell help, Kev?
Title: Re: Which OS does your "emulation" computer use?
Post by: dodogildo on 19:56, 19 November 15
I think the best we can do is donate a modernish Mac mini to @arnoldemu. A core2duo will still run Mavericks, Yosemite or ElCapitan right?
I've a spare Mac mini (a 2006 model most likely) , sleeping in the office storage. I can donate this if it helps. I'll check the configuration tomorrow and share with you guys.

Just tell me if it's too old or not?
Title: Re: Which OS does your "emulation" computer use?
Post by: chinnyhill10 on 22:32, 19 November 15
I've a spare Mac mini (a 2006 model most likely) , sleeping in the office storage. I can donate this if it helps. I'll check the configuration tomorrow and share with you guys.

Just tell me if it's too old or not?


Think its too old to even run a recent-ish OSX let alone the latest which will be a problem developing for the latest platform.
Title: Re: Which OS does your "emulation" computer use?
Post by: Lone on 23:53, 19 November 15

Fair point. I'm not using it for precision stuff. It's mainly just checking or quickly comparing images before I put them onto the real deal.


Does any emulator read or write directly to HxC format yet? That would be a boon. Pop the SD card out the computer straight into the CPC without all that tedious conversion stuff.


A bit of teasing from me : Next Sugarbox release will support HFE convertion (as well as a debugger). I'm currently testing it a bit, and it manage to convert "Le necromancien" original dsk dump, famous for being a nightmare of a protection.
Unfortunately, it runs only for Windows...

Title: Re: Which OS does your "emulation" computer use?
Post by: CraigsBar on 00:12, 20 November 15

Could we crowdfund it? Actually do a proper job on this so you can get the resources and equipment you need to get this up and running? And hell, and also to make it worth your while?


I think a modest goal of whatever a second hand Mini or refurbed Mini of a decent spec + some beer tokens would do it? Anyone have any thoughts? 400 quid?
You can count me in. Mavericks capable C2D should be doable for about the €400 mark. Count me in for at least €50. I'll keep an eye on the Irish auction sites too.
Title: Re: Which OS does your "emulation" computer use?
Post by: CraigsBar on 00:18, 20 November 15
OK. Maybe we can even get an i5 for the 400 euro
http://www.adverts.ie/9266682
Title: Re: Which OS does your "emulation" computer use?
Post by: Shaun M. Neary on 02:53, 20 November 15
Thats on adverts.ie, you can probably get a swap for a half chewed Snickers and a clapped out Nissan Almera.

(for those outside of Ireland, that site is notorious as a seller as it attracts the worst of the low ballers and tyre kickers. I'm currently having a horrible time on it trying to sell two lenses.)
Title: Re: Which OS does your "emulation" computer use?
Post by: dodogildo on 16:53, 20 November 15
I checked out the old Mac Mini. It seems to be older than I remember:
-G4 PowerPC G4 1.25 GHz 512 Ram and CDRW

Well, if you think it's still usable for dev/test purposes; @arnoldemu (http://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=122) you can always drop me a PM...


Title: Re: Which OS does your "emulation" computer use?
Post by: TFM on 18:45, 20 November 15
A bit of teasing from me : Next Sugarbox release will support HFE convertion (as well as a debugger). I'm currently testing it a bit, and it manage to convert "Le necromancien" original dsk dump, famous for being a nightmare of a protection.
Unfortunately, it runs only for Windows...


Actually fortunate for the majority of people.  :) :) :)
Title: Re: Which OS does your "emulation" computer use?
Post by: arnoldemu on 17:55, 21 November 15
I have made some progress with Arnold on Mac. :)
Shaun is helping :)
Title: Re: Which OS does your "emulation" computer use?
Post by: Shaun M. Neary on 18:24, 21 November 15
To be fair, Kev is getting more progress on Mountain Lion than I am with Yosemite.
But it's looking good.  :)
Title: Re: Which OS does your "emulation" computer use?
Post by: chinnyhill10 on 18:57, 21 November 15
I have made some progress with Arnold on Mac. :)
Shaun is helping :)


Great news!
Title: Re: Which OS does your "emulation" computer use?
Post by: CraigsBar on 11:03, 22 November 15
http://www.adverts.ie/8934601
Just sayin' 
Title: Re: Which OS does your "emulation" computer use?
Post by: CraigsBar on 15:37, 02 December 15
Damn! In the wiki outage last night we missed out on a 2009 Mac mini with 4gb ram, 2.53ghz c2d and elcapitan for 163 euro. Would have been perfect for @arnoldemu

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Title: Re: Which OS does your "emulation" computer use?
Post by: Bryce on 15:50, 02 December 15
Damn! In the wiki outage last night we missed out on a 2009 Mac mini with 4gb ram, 2.53ghz c2d and elcapitan for 163 euro. Would have been perfect for @arnoldemu (http://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=122)

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Ebay needs the CPCWiki to work properly??? :D

Bryce.
Title: Re: Which OS does your "emulation" computer use?
Post by: CraigsBar on 15:55, 02 December 15

Ebay needs the CPCWiki to work properly??? :D

Bryce.
adverts.ie not eBay.... And no, but I do before shelling out a load of money for what would hopefully be a crowd funded osx dev box for @arnoldemu (http://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=122).  ;)
Title: Re: Which OS does your "emulation" computer use?
Post by: duncan_bayne on 03:14, 14 September 18
None of the above - FreeBSD 11.1, configured as per https://gitlab.com/duncan-bayne/freebsd-setup/wikis/home.