Wikibase -an, erm, Wiki gamebase

[Ritchardo]

Problem with TACGR is that it's around 4 years out of date now.  Since that point Nich has updated NVG on a numbe of occassions so I'd be reluctant to use that data.

I'd be more inclined to use the HTML from NVG itself, there's a page there that has links to every game/programme/manual etc broken into different categories, it's a self contained page though and would form a pretty decent starting point - after that we'd have to look at CPC Power and have a think about filtering in the huge amount of French PD and the compilations...

But NVG would make a good start IMO


It might also be an idea to come up with a robust format for layout before we all rush off and start doing our own thing - it's not absolutely necessary of course but I feel it would be a better approach if we had all of the game pages with a sense of uniformity (where possible)

[Wanderer]

It might also be an idea to come up with a robust format for layout before we all rush off and start doing our own thing - it's not absolutely necessary of course but I feel it would be a better approach if we had all of the game pages with a sense of uniformity (where possible)

NVG sounds great.

We could always get some ideas from TOSEC about what fields/tables might be needed for a database to hold all the data.

[MacDeath]

The "games recomandation" topic may be a good start for games that have to be covered "first"...
As wr know them (because we recommanded them).

The CPCwiki yet includes Games categfories and page.
Those should be put in a portal page maybe.

Concerning games categories :
http://cpcwiki.eu/index.php?title=Category:Games&until=Return+of+the+Sisters

There are some subcategories yet.
those concerning style of gazmes do have Page and Category :
Platform, shoot them up, RPG, Adventure...
I put them in "*" in the subcategory list.

Also put Vaporware and Games Programming at top of the list.

Oh, it seems there a 2 categories :
"Game map" and "Game Map".

This lead to an aspect i'd like to get cleared : the use of Bold letters.

It seems the wiki engine is a bit straight with it.

If you include bold letters or not, you simply find another or no page...

What's our politic with this ?

I'm the kind of guy to prefer putting bold letters on each words but...many other wikians don't.

What sould we decide ?

The same goes with the use of plurials, I know I screwed a lot with it.


Example : we may put games in "Game map featured" category, and the media of said map in "Game maps" perhaps so this category would only include the medias.
But the proper use of the letter "S" is not easy for a french like me.

Game Map
Game map
Game maps
Game Maps
game's map
Game's Maps
and so on...



the "Game map" category seems to include a lot of stuff yet i couldn't manage to get to it.

It must include mostly Medias IMO.


But a "Game map included" stuff may be more suitable perhaps ?


If i go at a "Game Map" cetegorized page (games) I have a Game map media shown.
If I go at this media's page, it is often put in "Games map" category.


Examples :

http://cpcwiki.eu/index.php/Roland_on_the_Ropes
This page include a picture of a map, probably from the speccy version (the"speccymap" site is great).
As a result it was put in the "Games Map" category.
I click on this picture :

http://cpcwiki.eu/index.php/File:Roland_on_the_ropes_map.jpg
This one is put in the "Games map category"
If i click on the "Game map" category i get this :

http://cpcwiki.eu/index.php?title=Category:Game_map&action=edit&redlink=1
and the page is blanck...WTF ?
"&action=edit&redlink=1" instructions seems to screw with it.


http://cpcwiki.eu/index.php?title=Special:Categories&dir=prev&offset=Magazines&limit=100
in this Categories full list, it seems the "Game map" has 364 members...
Yet it seems broken too.

Sample :
# Game Manual (19 members)
# Game Map (6 members)
# Game cover (26 members)
# Game inlay (48 members)
# Game manual (1 member)
# Game map (364 members)
# Game solution (1 member)

Those categories would need some cleanup and/or standardisation.
also the same mess up was done concerning game manual/Manual.

BTW, the Category system  is great  in that it allows to display subcategories, Pages and Medias all automatically put in lists.

I corrected this with Prehistorik :
http://cpcwiki.eu/index.php/File:Prehistorik_map.jpg
So it appears in the "Game Map"


I confess most of my post is more "categories and wiki procedures" related.

[Gryzor]

NVG sounds great.

We could always get some ideas from TOSEC about what fields/tables might be needed for a database to hold all the data.

Hmmmm I see little of use for us on the TOSEC... most of it deals with the TOSEC files - i.e. bad dumps, viruses etc... or am I missing something?

[Wanderer]

Hmmmm I see little of use for us on the TOSEC... most of it deals with the TOSEC files - i.e. bad dumps, viruses etc... or am I missing something?

I'm not talking about that. There could be other things that could give us ideas. For instance, the database will probably contain not only games but apps too. Apart from the creator / publisher name, a "type" field would be needed and perhaps a "sub-type" one (i.e. games-arcade or apps-graphics).

TOSEC's TNC page contains the following info:

Title version (demo) (Year)(Publisher)(System)(Video)(Country)(Language)(Copyright status)(Development status)(Media Type)(Media Label)[Dump info flags][more info]

I've made bold the items i believe may be needed for a database. That's what i meant by "ideas from TOSEC". There's no need to reinvent the wheel.

EDIT: This info came from a quick pass i made at the TOSEC's TNC page, it's not a final proposal.

[Cpcmaniaco]

About list of games.

You can look at the inventory of CPC-Power :

http://www.cpc-power.com/index.php?page=jeux&onglet=inventaire

There are some interesting lists.

[Nich]

I'd be more inclined to use the HTML from NVG itself, there's a page there that has links to every game/programme/manual etc broken into different categories.

There's also a CSV file (00_table.csv) that contains a lot more information than the HTML files, including all the fields that are found in the file_id.diz files included with each program. It would be better (and probably easier) to use the CSV file.

[Wanderer]

Ok, if such a task is to begin, how should it be organized? Perhaps a new thread should be created under "CPCWiki Discussion" or "General Discussion" in which all who wish to help will participate with more specific proposals?

[MacDeath]

@Wanderer (all all the rest...)
Child Boards: Pages and categories changes


this would be more suited IMO.

As Games are potentially heavy users of the category system...

As a "child board"...let use it for this task as it is put on a height from other mundane subjets....

[Wanderer]

Hmmm, right. Perhaps a new child board then, "Wikibase" or "Wiki Gamebase" in order for all the relevant posts to be there without getting mixed-up with other not-so-relevant posts?

Later on, when the project matures, this forum's contents could be joined with "Pages and categories changes", if it's found appropriate.

[Gryzor]

Ah yes. In this regard we could start perusing the CPC TOSEC (I think I have it lying around somewhere). Of course the type and subtype fields are mandatory

[genesis8]

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