Hello, has anyone got any basic instructions for getting the X-Mass working.
Mine just arrived with the X-Mem.
The X-Mem was pre-configured with the custom firmware 3.15 with the expansion ROM in Rom Position 1 and also an X-Mass ROM in Rom Position 2.
|help on the X-Mass ROM gives me,
HD D CD MD
RD CP MV RM
DRIVE DIR ERA REN
If I type, '|d' then 'cat' I get
Bad command.
With the FW3.15 disabled, typing '|d' then 'cat' I get
Drive D:/
Ready
I'm assuming because nothing is on the X-Mass.
But the activity light, stays on.
Typing cat again, flickers the LED off, but it then remains on ??
I have also tried copying files from floppy a: to d: but with no success.
|a
|cp,"test.bin",d
I'm not fully sure on the syntax...anybody got any pointers.
I also tried to run SymbOS, and that detects the X-Mem but as soon as i go to Control Panel and select IDE it either locks up or does nothing (checking the setting and it still has drive A selected).
Cheers,
Shane
Hey!
Forget about the X-MASS ROM... It is a WIP version.
I have sent to you my flash IC and forget to erase ROM 2.
You will have to wait for the final version to see more... :P
Awww that got me all excited that a release was imminent. Take your time @TotO, when we have waited 30 years, what's another month!
Hahaha, no problem. Forget I mentioned it.
I initially thought it was still a WIP but when I noticed the X-MASS ROM installed I thought that maybe I had missed something.
Sorry CraigsBar, nothing to see here ;D (although I do seem to remember you getting SymbOS working with X-mass).
Cheer,
Shane
Quote from: 00WReX on 22:43, 26 February 15
Sorry CraigsBar, nothing to see here ;D (although I do seem to remember you getting SymbOS working with X-mass).
I do, I have and it's awesome. A bit more than just a xmass tho. My 464plus has xmem, xmass, mini booster and play city boards. I'd love network support in symbos via the mini booster, but I guess xmass is amsdos will be first. By the way 6 channel sound in symamp is wonderful.
Quote from: 00WReX on 22:43, 26 February 15
...although I do seem to remember you getting SymbOS working with X-mass...
Could somebody please explain - step by step - how to do it?[nb]I mean really step by step.[/nb]
Quote from: TFM on 19:36, 27 February 15
Could somebody please explain - step by step - how to do it?[nb]I mean really step by step.[/nb]
OK, It's not that difficult.
I assume you have an X-Mem as well?
In which case you need to install the ROMS. Rom A can be anywhere between 1 and 15 (Excluding 7) and roms B,C and D can be anywhere, mine are in 29, 30 and 31.
So, once those are installed you also need a copy of the latest Symbos Release floppy discs (Both Symbos and Apps are needed), got those, excellent.
with this lot we are ready to start installing,
1. Plus the Symbos disc in your A: drive
2. Boot symbos (|sym) - Symbos will boot from rom to a desktop. then load the wallpaper etc, if you don't see the wallpaper then the config file was not loaded.
3. Launch the Control Panel form the shortcut on the desktop.
4. navigate to the Mass Storage Applet
5. Click the NEW button - populate the fields as detailled below
Name - XMass IDE
Uncheck Removable Media
Drive Letter - C
Check IDE Device
Master
Primary Partition 1
Click OK - If all goes well you now have a C: drive
6. Swap discs for the Apps Disc
7. Launch Sym Commander from the desktop
8. Navigate the Left pane to C: and the Right pane to A:
9. Click in the Left pane and then click Folder - Enter the Folder name as SYMBOS
10. Double click on the new SYMBOS folder to navigate into it.
11. Select all objects in the right pane. Click Copy - This will copy everything on the disc from A: to C:\SYMBOS
12. swap discs back to the Symbos Disc and reselect A in the right pane LOV to refresh the window
13. select the EXE, SGX and SAV files - copy these to C: \SYMBOS as before
14. close SymCommander
15. from the control panel select the System Applet
16. change the Boot Drive to C: and set the system path to C:/symbos/ finally check the load extensions checkbox and Click OK
17. From the Control Panel select the Display Applet
18. On the Desktop tab select c:\SYMBOS\Firesea.sgx
19. On the Saver tab select c:\SYMBOS\Scrstars.sav
20. click Start -> Settings -> Save (the config file will be saved to your floppy disc as Symbos.ini)
21. reopen SymCommander and copy the Symbos.ini from A: to the root of C:
once complete your C: drive should contain a SYMBOS folder and the Symbos.ini file
22. Your installation is complete. Remove the Floppy disc and reboot. with any luck you will now boot ina few seconds from the Xmass to the default desktop with Wallpaper and screensaver.
Enjoy it
Craig
Thanks! I'm sure this is helpful for a lot of people. :)
Thanks CraigsBar...yes I do have an X-Mem.
Before you replied with the detailed instructions. I did spend a bit of time in an attempt to get this working.
After a lot of stuffing around with incompatible ROMS (FW3.15 EXP and possibly the X-Mass ROM that I unofficially have).
Actually I was having some really random lockup and reboot results. And still having some strange behaviours such as SYMbOS not loading from floppy unless I have the X-Mass removed completely (initially this was working OK).
I had pretty much gone down the path/steps you mentioned, but except for a crucial step.
I forgot to save my settings after copying everything across to the X-Mass.
After rebooting the CPC, I can see all the SymbOS files from AmsDOS with the unofficial X-Mass ROM enabled.
But one thing I noticed was the .ini file is 0 bytes.
I believe this is causing my issues, because every time I fire up SymbOS (|sym) the LED on the X-Mass flickers (assume trying to read the .ini).
Anyway, because of this ?? I cannot read any SymbOS files from floppy and cannot access the X-mass because I did not save the IDE settings.
I am in a bit of a stalemate. The only way I can now get SymbOS to work properly is to remove the X-Mass and run the applications from floppy.
But because the X-Mass is not connected I cannot select and save the IDE settings...
So I am stuck unless there is another way to boot SymbOS without it checking the X-Mass after it boots.
Cheers,
Shane
OK, tell you what. I'll remove the drive from my xmass, image the content in a zip file and upload it. I just need to find a 40 to 44 pin adaptor.
Great ideea !!
If you find guys a good adaptor that works let me know ;)
Quote from: 00WReX on 04:41, 28 February 15
[...]such as SYMbOS not loading from floppy[...]
[...]But one thing I noticed was the .ini file is 0 bytes.
I believe this is causing my issues, because every time I fire up SymbOS (|sym) the LED on the X-Mass flickers (assume trying to read the .ini).
Anyway, because of this ?? I cannot read any SymbOS files from floppy[...]
I made a test and put a 0byte SymbOS.INI in the root directory of the harddisc. If you start SymbOS 2.1 from ROM with |SYM it is still able to access the floppy discs A+B as well as the harddisc as C (master, partition 1) after booting, as it found an INI there (even when this is only 0bytes). Only when SymbOS doesn't find any INI file on master partition 1 or master, unpartitioned, it will not add an IDE device as drive C. But you should always have access to floppy drive A + B in any case. So you should always be able to start the control panel from floppy disc and add an IDE device again.
So I wonder what happend to you installation, and if the INI is really 0 bytes or somehow corrupt. A corrupt INI file could cause all drives to disappear. It would be usefull if you could make a dump of your IDE device...
@CraigsBar (http://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=482): Thanks a lot for your help!
CU,
Prodatron
@00WReX (http://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=518): Oops, I forgot to mention:
When you start the disc version of SymbOS it will not try to access the IDE device at all.
So if a corrupt INI file on the harddisc causes your problems, you should just start SymbOS from disc, then start the Control Panel from disc and add the IDE device again.
Now remove the existing INI file from harddisc (or have a look first, if it was really 0bytes) to be sure, that it doesn't make problems anymore. Now you can re-configure everything again.
Quote from: CraigsBar on 09:41, 28 February 15
OK, tell you what. I'll remove the drive from my xmass, image the content in a zip file and upload it. I just need to find a 40 to 44 pin adaptor.
Hmmm, My 40 to 44 pin adaptor is female on the 44 pin side, not male so I cannot simply plug the XMass Module in. so here comes the inevitable question, can I use a straight through gender changer such as this...
44 PIN Male Male IDC 2 5" IDE Laptop Gender Changer | eBay (http://www.ebay.ie/itm/44-Pin-Male-Male-IDC-2-5-IDE-Laptop-Gender-Changer-/280680707533?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4159dfb5cd)
or will I need to get/make one with 2 male connectors and a length of 44 way ribbon cable to swap every 2 pins the whole width of the cable? These IDE things wreck my head LOL.
Craig
I suggest to erase the X-MASS ROM as it is a WIP version that may cause problem.
I have spent some 'very frustrating' time trying many different options/variations.
So just to confirm, this is my setup.
CPC6128 with internal 3.5 inch drive. MotherX4 board with X-Mem and X-Mass fitted.
I went back to basics and wiped the X-Mem, with the official tools, init & install.
I also tried the X-Mass, stand alone.
Other than my initial access to the X-Mass, I have not been able to access it again with SymbOS.
Just to note, I also have been using an external 5v 2.2A power supply directly to the MotherX4.
I have been able to load SymbOS from floppy and configure the IDE drive and save the settings.
The X-Mass flickers the activity LED when I boot into SymbOS but that's as good as it gets.
If I go to Commander and select drive C, SymbOS seems to do a partial lockup.
I can still move the cursor around but any action I select does nothing, including if I attempt
to do a shut down from the start button. The Start menu opens, I select shut down and all that
happens is the start menu clears (I do not get the shutdown dialogue).
If I try SymbOS from ROMs (positions 10,11,12,13) It loads to the desktop but as soon as the
X-Mass LED flickers it locks up.
During all my mucking around I had some really strange results and nothing consistent.
One thing I did when I first got the X-Mem was to run 'Syx's' memory test program.
This went through fine and found 512KB expanded RAM and each block tested fine (Green block).
So after all my erratic results I decided to run the test again.
Initially I got mainly Red blocks (fail) with a few green blocks scattered about.
Then after a few more passes I consistently received all Red blocks.
After a bit of head scratching I got out another 6218 (a Schneider with the Centronics connector)
and the Memory check passed.
Back to my original 6128 with Edge connector I tried again and all Memory blocks failed.
I ran the test again and pressed on the ribbon connector to the MotherX4 and the test started
passing again. So i had a back connection in the ribbon cable connector.
I'm not sure if this has caused issues with the X-Mass and possibly corrupted it ??
Before I wiped the X-Mem with the unofficial X-Mass ROM, I did check the X-Mass contents again
and here is a picture of the screen. As you can see, I really did get to write stuff to it initially.
But have lost contact with it since and I have no other way at the moment to connect to it.
I suppose now that I have wiped the X-Mass ROM there is no way to wipe/erase/format the X-Mass from the CPC
until the ROM is officially released.
Cheers,
Shane
Nice CAT! ;D
Please, what is your CPU model? If not Zilog, it should be the problem. (not on 6128)
Random bugs should be a contact problem. I suggest to take the time to clean your expansion connector.
Next, test each board individualy. The X-MEM red blocks should mean "wrong contacts".
Try to move the switchs too, may be they are not properly set.
TotO.
Thanks Tot0,
The edge connector is clean and good, I have had a lower ROM & MegaFlash connected for a couple of years.
It is definetely the ribbon connector to the MotherX4. It is actually a bad connection at the Mx4 end.
When I press on the connector it works fine.
Also this CPC has a Zilog CPU.
I will just wait for the X-mass ROM now, and try again then :) or when I receive the other X-Mass ;)
Cheers,
Shane
Had the same problem with the MX4 connector, those 50 wires connectors are prone to bad contacts. If you have a bench vise you can try squizzing it (carrefully) after protecting the jaws with some fabric.
I plug and unplug all your boards on my MotherX4 since 2 years, and have no contact problem. :(
My second X-Mass arrived safely today. Thank you very much TotO.
I have successfully set it up, running SymbOS on it.
My previous X-Mass must have some corrupt files as it causes SymbOS to hang.
I did find the ribbon connector between the MotherX4 was not making a good connection.
So i think this may have caused the issues when I was copying files to it.
I have fixed the connector issue and all is good.
When the ROM is released I will be able to wipe the other X-Mass to use it.
At the moment the first X-Mass is inaccessible (at least I can use the 2nd one, so all good).
Cheers,
Shane
would be interesting to have then both up and running :)
I gave BonnyDOS a try today (never used it before) and managed to get the 1st X-Mass formatted and working fine (under BonnyDOS).
I have copied and run files from it without issue.
So both X-Mass are up and running...BonnyDOS on one and SymBOS on the other. :D
Cheers,
Shane
Quote from: 00WReX on 11:06, 15 March 15
I gave BonnyDOS a try today (never used it before) and managed to get the 1st X-Mass formatted and working fine (under BonnyDOS).
I have copied and run files from it without issue.
So both X-Mass are up and running...BonnyDOS on one and SymBOS on the other. :D
Cheers,
Shane
you got further with bonnydos that me then. I never manager to get anywhere with it and my symbiface, so I am really looking forward to acmedos.
Quote from: CraigsBar on 12:20, 15 March 15
you got further with bonnydos that me then. I never manager to get anywhere with it and my symbiface, so I am really looking forward to acmedos.
the ability to write files from the mini booster directly to the symbiface or xmass ide device will be wonderful. I'd like to see a symbos app to do it, but doing it from basic will be pretty awesome too.
You are speaking alone? ;D
BDOS just gives me a bootloop when I install it (!!!)
I'm damn lucky I saw that tip about holding Esc to prevent rom init the other day...
The X-MEM notice explain that! ;D
(you can move the green jumper too, for disabling the ROM side, if not using FW3.15)
Quote from: CraigsBar on 12:22, 15 March 15
the ability to write files from the mini booster directly to the symbiface or xmass ide device will be wonderful. I'd like to see a symbos app to do it, but doing it from basic will be pretty awesome too.
I assume one can use the Arkos ROM with ACMEDOS to do that in the native environment.
Quote from: TFM on 22:51, 15 March 15
I assume one can use the Arkos ROM with ACMEDOS to do that in the native environment.
I hope so. As the Arkos rom works with transfers to a FW 3.15 silicon disc as Drive |C then I see no reason why it shoudl have any issues with a IDE Drive |D either. at least that is the plan I will be testing s son as ACMEDOS is released.
How well does the arkos rom handle the higher drive letters? |WDSK uses 'C' for the minibooster serial link, so I'm not sure how I would go about writing a dsk image to the silicon disk and from there to drive A.
Quote from: pelrun on 04:30, 16 March 15
How well does the arkos rom handle the higher drive letters? |WDSK uses 'C' for the minibooster serial link, so I'm not sure how I would go about writing a dsk image to the silicon disk and from there to drive A.
when writing disk images why go to C at all. You can go straight to A or B. When using |GF or |GFA then the file is sent to whichever drive is currently in use. This works fine with a silicon disc, and so I assume the ide drive provided by acmedos too.
If anybody is interested (and this was inspired by CraigsBar's excellent SymbOS Quick Start Guide ;D ).
Here is what I did to get BonnyDOS working with the X-Mass.
There is no English User Manual as far a I can tell...so here goes.
Get the ROMs/Files from here...BonnyDOS - CPCWiki (http://www.cpcwiki.eu/index.php/BonnyDOS)
* BonnyDOS ROMs (v1.72) <-- Use these ROMs (BDOS ROM + 2x Addon ROMs)
* BonnyDOS System Disks <-- Use the Setup on these Discs
Note: The System Disc's include the slightly earlier version 1.71 BDOS ROM.
Place the ROM(s) in positions below the AmsDOS ROM in postition 7
* BonnyDOS does not replace the AmsDOS ROM.
I placed them in positions 4, 5, 6.
On the 'SetupA' disc, run"disce (English).
The initial screen is in German, but once loaded the Menu's are in English.
Select 'Install'.
Select 'Create'.
For a single partition, select 'Maximum' then 'Go'.
The partition is created and then you are asked to create a Supervisor Account.
Select 'Yes' and follow steps (choose user & password).
After partitioning your disk, it must be formatted.
Exit the setup utility.
Reboot the CPC and Enter |LOGIN
Enter your previously configured 'User & password'
Enter |FORMAT
When formatting is completed you can enter a partition/disk name.
Once completed, reboot the CPC.
Now you should be able to access the X-mass with |C and 'cat'.
To go back to the 'A' drive enter |AMS
You can create folders (directories) with the |MD,"DISK1" command (DISK1 is an example only).
You can copy files from the 'A' drive to the 'C' drive with |DCOPY,"TEST.BAS" or *.BAS etc.
* Remember to go into the directory on 'C' that you want the files copied to before beginning the copy.
* Note, BonnyDOS uses it's own File System. SymbOS cannot read it once formatted under BonnyDOS.
Cheers,
Shane
Sad that BonnyDOS don't allow to use the "D" letter by default.
I imagine that you have removed the FW3.15 EXP ROM to not conflict with "C" ?
The best will be a patched ROM to use |D to avoid problems.
Try to replace &C3 value at address &81 (string: C3 46 4F 52 4D 41) by &C4 into the BDOS172.ROM file and let me know.
Can we rename |C in X-MEM's roms instead? Something like an M: drive would be nice, leaving A,B,C etc for actual non-volatile storage...
Note: I don't actually use the silicon disk, and leave it disabled, but X-MEM still hangs onto |C. (wait no it doesn't?, I'm full of crap)
Turns out that the bootloop was being caused by whatever version of FW3.15-EN I had installed. Reinstalling from my X-MEM disc fixed it (but rolled me back to FW3.14-EN), and installing again from a freshly downloaded copy of the X-MEM disc image got me a working FW3.15-EN setup. Yay!
Quote from: TotO on 10:01, 16 March 15
Sad that BonnyDOS don't allow to use the "D" letter by default.
I imagine that you have removed the FW3.15 EXP ROM to not conflict with "C" ?
The best will be a patched ROM to use |D to avoid problems.
Try to replace &C3 value at address &81 (string: C3 46 4F 52 4D 41) by &C4 into the BDOS172.ROM file and let me know.
Hi TotO,
Yes, I had the FW3.15 EXP ROM 'Parked'.
I have just hex edited the BonnyDOS ROM as per your suggestion and also changed the hard coded Drive C when you do a 'cat'.
It works well and with FW3.15 fully enabled, BonnyDOS seems to play nice with everything and now using |D
I have attached some screen shots as well as the BonnyDOS ROM's (both original & modified + wrapped them all up in a .DSK).
I also grabbed the Spanish User Manual and Google Translated it to English along with some tidying up and re-inserting some pictures that were lost. The result is not as bad as may be expected and much better than no English manual at all.
Cheers,
Shane
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Google Translate does a sterling job on the German version as well :) You just saved me from having to continue doing that conversion :D
Quote from: pelrun on 11:25, 16 March 15
Can we rename |C in X-MEM's roms instead? Something like an M: drive would be nice, leaving A,B,C etc for actual non-volatile storage...
CP/M use C for the RAM drive and some CPC tools too. It's why, whe have chosen D for Drive.
Changing to C (like on PC) should cause more problems than it will solve.
Have you tested the |FCAT and others FAT12 related command to copy files from/to a 720K PC floppy on the drive B?
I'm using GraigsBar's excellent guide to get Symbos installed on the X-MASS. I have the ROMs now in X-MEM and can start Symbos by typing |sym. I'm getting a floppy disk error 26 on startup. Do I just have a bad floppy or is it because I'm using the 3,5" B drive, to which I've changed before starting Symbos?
Does your drive has a ready signal? Supporting "modern" drives without a ready signal is something which is still missing. Does everything else work?
Can you access the other devices?
My floppy is a Samsung SFD321B, in which I've moved the jumper from DC to RY. It works otherwise. I can even run the Batman demo on it. Have to try the other drives later this evening.
Was there a disc inserted in this drive, when you got the error message? (which means "disc missing") When |B was active in Amsdos before and there is no SYMBOS.INI in the IDE device it tries to load the INI from drive B.
Yes there was, but the error message just gave me something to check. I either have somewhat bad cable or something but the drive is a little picky about being moved. Simply moving it half a centimeter can cause a "Disk not found" error in Basic.
Quote from: protek on 15:22, 02 April 15
Yes there was, but the error message just gave me something to check. I either have somewhat bad cable or something but the drive is a little picky about being moved. Simply moving it half a centimeter can cause a "Disk not found" error in Basic.
Sounds like a wobbling contact somewhere. Better fix that before is gives you a bad time for long.
@Prodatron (http://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=13) : Is there a way to switch SymbOS in a state that it does actually tell the error / problem instead of telling a number?
Tried it again. I'm pretty positive that Symbos is trying to access A:. I was able to cat B: in Basic after I had switched to B:. It makes no difference whether I run Symbos from X-MEM or from B:. The desktop loads but the error is displayed and I get the same error, if I try to run control panel.
I'll try copying the files on the 3" floppies.
I am curious it's only the 3,5" Drive B then which makes problems?
I made some progress. Symbos was indeed trying to read drive A. I made a 3" floppy and Symbos started without errors.
Now, when I try to create a partition on X-Mass, I get error while adding 1 devices, device number 2, error 30.
Any ideas?
30 = "Device not suported", this only happens, when the device doesn't support LBA mode (only CHS mode). Since 2004 I never had a harddisc or Cf card which doesn't support LBA mode, as this is standard since end of the 90ies. What I wonder is, if this is only a problem within the way of detection.
Does the X-Mass need to be initalized otherwise before trying to initialize it in Symbos?
I think I found a probable cause to my B: drive acting up. The 5v line on the molex connector was loose. I re-crimped the wire.
No, it is not a LBA problem as all the X-MASS work in LBA using BONNYDOS and ACMEDOS (wip).
It is related to the problem that I have pointed to you 3/4 weeks ago about SymbOS fail to properly handle some "modern" flash drives.
As I have said, for testing the drive SymbOS send the "READ NATIVE MAX ADDRESS" command (0xF8).
This command is optional according the ATA standard. It is why, some device are not able to answer it.
In our case, if the DOM return busy (0x80), it is skipped and work properly.
If the DOM return error (0x51), it look not supported by SymbOS.
So, before sending an optional command, you have to know if the device support it.
(that don't mean the device not support LBA if it not support the command... Yes, it look stupid)
EDIT: I have not SyX here to know how to, but gerard does... ;D
The mandatory IDENTIFY DEVICE command (0xEC) will tell you all you need:
- word 19 : bit 9 is set to indicate LBA mode,
- word 60-61 contains the number of addressable sector (LBA24)
- word 83 : bit 10 is set to indicated LBA48 support
- words 100-103 contain the number of addressable lba in LBA48
Not the latest ATA spec, but could be useful : http://www.t13.org/documents/uploadeddocuments/project/d1410r3b-ata-atapi-6.pdf (http://www.t13.org/documents/uploadeddocuments/project/d1410r3b-ata-atapi-6.pdf)
Ok I will just remove the detection, as its probably senseless anyway. Should be able to provide an update today.
PS: Bonnydos is using CHS :)
It's true. I have updated my post.
Thanks for all the support guys! :) Looking forward for the update.
And thank you also TotO and others for wonderful pieces of hardware!
Quote from: gerald on 10:14, 03 April 15
The mandatory IDENTIFY DEVICE command (0xEC) will tell you all you need:
- word 19 : bit 9 is set to indicate LBA mode,
- word 83 : bit 10 is set to indicated LBA48 support
That's what I use for my IDE ROM (thanks to you pointing that out) and yesterdays tests work like a charm. :)
Hello,
I have a problem with wonderful X-Mass and my extern power supply.
If the X-Mass and MotherX4 are connected to the CPC's expansions port and powered by the CPC all work fine.
But if I connect an external power supply to MotherX4 and switch on the external PSU first and then the CPC, I get into trouble. The X-Mass returns 0x51 in status register (0xFD0F) and 0x04 in error register (0xFD09). I don't know how to clear this error. (I tried three different PSUs, same result)
Perhaps somebody can explain... :-X
How much Ampere does your 5 V PSU have?
Error &04 tells unknown command. So it looks like there is some bit storm when you switch it on.
My external 3 A 5 V PSU works fine.
Can you power it all up and then make a Reset with the button on the X4? What does FD0F and error register tell in this case?
Sound realy strange. :o
Check that your external PSU do not provide a too high voltage. (5V ±10%)
Any chance that you are mixing a linear PSU and a switch-mode PSU together to power one device??
Also, remeber, that by turning on the external PSU you are actually powering the CPC through the expansion port (if the MX4 doesn't have a diode to avoid this). This could put some ICs into states that they shouldn't be in and also messes up the reset circuitry of the CPC).
Bryce.
As you know, the MotherX4 use 2 Schottky diodes to avoid to power it back, up to 3A current.
Quote from: TotO on 09:34, 09 April 15
As you know, the MotherX4 use 2 Schottky diodes to avoid to power it back, up to 3A current.
I thought it did, but I couldn't remember for sure and I don't have one here.
Bryce.
Thank you for your answers.
I'm using the GT65 for powering the CPC and a 5V 1A PSU for powering the MotherX4.
The output voltage of the external PSU is about 5.1V. I tried already different PSU's, one of them was a linear working PSU, the others switch-mode.
I already pushed the reset button on MotherX4 in order to clear the error. But the status register responds always 0x51.
I also tried a soft reset without success (writing 0x0E to 0xFD06 device control register).
Any other ideas ? ;D
If the CPC is being powered by a GT65 you definitely shouldn't connect a switch-mode PSU to the MX4.
Bryce.
A switch-mode PSU will damage the M4X expansions?
Quote from: Bryce on 20:50, 09 April 15
If the CPC is being powered by a GT65 you definitely shouldn't connect a switch-mode PSU to the MX4.
Bryce.
so my mx4 should not be powered by the atx bench power supply and the plus by a cm14 then? Should I be worried?
Quote from: Prodatron on 20:58, 09 April 15
A switch-mode PSU will damage the M4X expansions?
No, but mixing two types (The GT65 has a linear PSU) isn't a good idea. It won't damage anything, but it can cause serious stability problems. Ideally you should use one powerful linear PSU to power both the CPC and the MX4 with a separate connector directly to the MX4 so that the MX4 current doesn't have to pass through the CPC expansion connector. I use a Spectrum +3 PSU and an Amiga PSU with adapters.
Bryce.
Powering the same rail with two regulators simultaneously doesn't work well, it doesn't matter whether they're linear or switched. They will each have a slightly different idea of what voltage the rail should be at, and will fight each other.
I disagree with Bryce a bit on whether switched psu's are a bad idea - certainly the cheap ones aren't so great, but decent ones with a high switching frequency and proper output filtering (capacitor plus ferrite ring/bead) don't give me any problems. I'm using a BEC from my rc plane to drive the 5v rail quite successfully.
I made some progress today. With Prodatron's new build the Symbos mass storage applet was able to initialise X-Mass. :D
Quote from: pelrun on 22:42, 09 April 15
Powering the same rail with two regulators simultaneously doesn't work well, it doesn't matter whether they're linear or switched. They will each have a slightly different idea of what voltage the rail should be at, and will fight each other.
The supply to the cards on an MX4 (or at least the one I have v1.1) if fed from a Bat85 Schottky diode. There are two diodes feeding the supply from the edge connector or the external input to the supply pins of the cards on the MX4.
(Bat85 seems a little underpowered, only having a max current rating of 200mA, not quite sure why the silk-screen has 5V/2A". I'd suggest removing the diodes and replacing the one from the external input with a link if I was using the external input.)
Strange, because when I have ordered them on Farnell, the website description shown 3A. :-X
So I decided to print 2A to be sure to not excess that. Yes, You should remove it to avoid problems.
(nobody get this issue since 2 years on over 100 boards dispatched... I'm embarrassed)
Quote from: pelrun on 22:42, 09 April 15
I disagree with Bryce a bit on whether switched psu's are a bad idea - certainly the cheap ones aren't so great, but decent ones with a high switching frequency and proper output filtering (capacitor plus ferrite ring/bead) don't give me any problems. I'm using a BEC from my rc plane to drive the 5v rail quite successfully.
I fully agree, but how often do you actually see a high quality SMPS? The market is flooded with cheap and nasty SPMSs that are just one big noise source. This is what most people are buying when the get an SMPS.
Bryce.
Sure, there are a lot of lousy switch-mode PSU's for sale, which could cause trouble.
But in my special case (X-Mass hanging up in error status during switch on, X-Mass powered first, CPC powered second) I don't agree with the theory, that switch-mode PSU is causal for this problem.
I did two additional tests, which I repeated several times. In both cases the X-Mass was powered by a switch-mode PSU (5V, 1A).
1.) I powered the CPC first and afterwards I powered the X-Mass. All work fine !!!
2.) I connected CPC and X-Mass to a switchable power socket and powered them simutaneously. All work fine !!!
IMHO the chronology is the cause, but I don't understand why.
This minute I'm testing only with X-Mass connected to MotherX4 and therefore a possible current limit of 200mA by the Schottky diode shouldn't be a problem. But in future I want to connect further equipment, like RRB, RS232, MegaFlash etc. ... :o
I'm astonished that I read in this forum about people, which run a fully equipped MotherX4 without any problems with their external PSU. Perhaps some boards are armed with a "super"-diode.... ;D
Quote from: netmercer on 21:47, 11 April 15
Sure, there are a lot of lousy switch-mode PSU's for sale, which could cause trouble.
But in my special case (X-Mass hanging up in error status during switch on, X-Mass powered first, CPC powered second) I don't agree with the theory, that switch-mode PSU is causal for this problem.
I did two additional tests, which I repeated several times. In both cases the X-Mass was powered by a switch-mode PSU (5V, 1A).
1.) I powered the CPC first and afterwards I powered the X-Mass. All work fine !!!
2.) I connected CPC and X-Mass to a switchable power socket and powered them simutaneously. All work fine !!!
IMHO the chronology is the cause, but I don't understand why.
This minute I'm testing only with X-Mass connected to MotherX4 and therefore a possible current limit of 200mA by the Schottky diode shouldn't be a problem. But in future I want to connect further equipment, like RRB, RS232, MegaFlash etc. ... :o
I'm astonished that I read in this forum about people, which run a fully equipped MotherX4 without any problems with their external PSU. Perhaps some boards are armed with a "super"-diode.... ;D
mine has all 4 slots occupied, from front to back....
X-mem
X-mass
PlayCity
Mini booster
It works perfectly when power either by an iomega zip drive 5v 2a brick, or a pc atx supply.
I think you have a super diode :p
Hello CraigsBar,
my PSU comes from an Iomega Zip Drive too, but delivers only 1A :(
Would you please describe your power switch on process / configuration?
Quote from: netmercer on 23:00, 11 April 15
Hello CraigsBar,
my PSU comes from an Iomega Zip Drive too, but delivers only 1A :(
Would you please describe your power switch on process / configuration?
mine is a SCSI zip drive power brick, and is about the largest I have ever owned lol. Anyway, yes my power on order is....
Mother 4x
Cm14
464+64Plus.
1A is enough to power all the MX4 boards, than should not excess 500mA.
Can you check with a voltmeter if the CPC is back-powered by it, if not turned on?
Can you check if there is 0V between your PSU GND and the CPC GND. (linked)
Shouldn't there always be 0V between the two GND points?? Surely you haven't put a diode between two ground points??
Bryce.
Gesendet von meinem Motorola DynaTEC 8000X mit Tapatalk 2.
Mmm-kay. Sanity check time.
I was able to set up Symbos running nice and smooth on X-mass. Still booting from floppy but that's all right.
I then did some other stuff and transferred files to floppies on my laptop PC. I went and rebooted my 6128 and ran Symbos from my floppy. I was surprised to get only black screen with taskbar. I then noticed that the card edge connector of X4 was slightly slanted in the expansion port. I made sure it sits there properly and tried again running Symbos. Symbos started normally but without background image and the C drive was missing again. I tried re-initializing it with the mass storage app but I only got the error 05 - partition missing.
When I start Symbos, the X-Mass activity led flashes first very briefly and then it's constantly lit for 1-2 seconds before going off. Also the led flashes briefly, when I try to initialize it.
Is there a way to verify that the X-mass is still ok? What could I use to format the DOM, if it's somehow corrupted?
Quote from: Bryce on 08:21, 12 April 15
Shouldn't there always be 0V between the two GND points?? Surely you haven't put a diode between two ground points??
Sure, except if his PSU don't made properly contact into the jack slot...
Ah, ok. For a second I thought you had offset the power rails!
Bryce.
Gesendet von meinem Motorola DynaTEC 8000X mit Tapatalk 2.
Is there a really foolproof (e.g. Poliander-proof) setup for supplying a complete X4-setup with power? I think of replacing the GT-65/CTM-644 power supply with a really good 2A adapter connected directly to the CPC and skipping the second PSU connected to the X4... ?
Yes, it should be enough.
Now, I have prefered to add a PSU connector on the MotherX4 to avoid to much current on the CPC tracks... (they are so thin)
I've been looking at my X-Mass and come to a conclusion that I need to get the DOM re-formatted. The Symbos mass storage utility no longer finds partitions and therefore can't be initialized, so something else is needed. Is there an utility for the CPC that can do it or do I need to stick the DOM into a laptop and use some USB or CD-ROM runnable Linux distro to format it? Or could I simply use a Win98 boot floppy?
I wonder if there is an adapter with a male connector, as the DOM side is female? All USB-adapters I found right now are female and won't fit. If you have such an adapter you should be able to access it like any USB storage device, so no problem e.g. in Windows.
Quote from: Prodatron on 10:40, 13 April 15
I wonder if there is an adapter with a male connector, as the DOM side is female? All USB-adapters I found right now are female and won't fit. If you have such an adapter you should be able to access it like any USB storage device, so no problem e.g. in Windows.
Probably not, if you don't fabricate your own adapter in between. Which reminds me that I do have pin headers with the right pitch. That would probably do the trick.
Is the IDE hard drive caddy connector in older laptops also female?
Quote from: protek on 12:05, 13 April 15
Is the IDE hard drive caddy connector in older laptops also female?
The pins are on the HDD, the Laptop side is a socket.
Bryce.
Quote from: Bryce on 12:22, 13 April 15
The pins are on the HDD, the Laptop side is a socket.
Bryce.
Apparently you also need to make a cable that flips the top and bottom rows in order to connect a DOM using a cable as it is meant to connect directly to the motherboard IDE header.
Edit: Standard Amiga 600/1200 IDE cable with the pin headers added should do the trick. I should have one extra somewhere.
Well, this cable should do it. The closest lower pin on the right corresponds to pin 1 of the DOM. On the left the corresponding pin is the closest upper pin, which corresponds to pin 1 of a 44-pin IDE drive. I've ordered an IDE to USB adapter.
In case someone needs to get a DiskOnModule connected to PC, here's what you need:
- an Amiga 600/1200 hard disk cable (this cable flips the pins for the DoM)
- pin header with the correct pitch matching the 44-pin connector
- an IDE/USB bridge like here: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA4TZ1K17603&cm_re=usb-to-ide_adapter-_-9SIA4TZ1K17603-_-Product (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA4TZ1K17603&cm_re=usb-to-ide_adapter-_-9SIA4TZ1K17603-_-Product)
Connect pin headers to both ends of the cable. If you have the cable lying flat, the lower row pin on one end should be connected to the upper row pins on the other end. One of the connector holes on the IDE/USB bridge may be filled so you have to remove that pin from the pin header. Connect the DoM to one end and the IDE/USB bridge to the other end of the cable. Make sure that you have the correct orientation. Then plug the USB cable in. Windows should recognize and install drivers for the bridge and the DoM. If there is a volume recognizable by Windows, it should be available to you.
Connecting the DoM from the X-MASS may cause loss of data or worse so do it at your own risk. I did this only because I was troubleshooting mine and had nothing to loose. Think of these rather as generic instructions for connecting a DoM to PC.
For informations, this website offer hi-capacity 44PIN DOM (2GB up to 32GB) that I have NOT TESTED. So, use at your own risk.
Don't forget that X-MASS pinout is inverted. The key must be cut to be plugged properly.
If somebody would to a test, please keep us updated. But 128 MB are really fine anyway. CPC is not a data-waster like the PC. :)
BTW, is the file system of X-MASS, FAT, FAT32, exFAT or something else?
X-MASS is the IDE interface, the filesystem is handled by the operating system.
SymbOS supports FAT16 (displayed as "FAT" in Windows) and FAT32,
BonnyDOS uses an own filesystem.
Quote from: Prodatron on 11:41, 17 April 15
X-MASS is the IDE interface, the filesystem is handled by the operating system.
SymbOS supports FAT16 (displayed as "FAT" in Windows) and FAT32,
BonnyDOS uses an own filesystem.
Thanks! And yes, I meant the the file system that was on the X-MASS DoM partition, when shipped.
Quote from: protek on 13:23, 17 April 15
Thanks! And yes, I meant the the file system that was on the X-MASS DoM partition, when shipped.
The native file-system on the DOM when shipped it type &0B, that is FAT32 in CHS mode (primary partition).
Quote from: CraigsBar on 22:21, 11 April 15
mine has all 4 slots occupied, from front to back....
X-mem
X-mass
PlayCity
Mini booster
It works perfectly when power either by an iomega zip drive 5v 2a brick, or a pc atx supply.
I think you have a super diode :p
I have made some tests today with a professional lab PSU (variable voltage) and my CTM (5.2V).
The CPC provide alone 4.9V from the expansion port and the voltage drop to 4.2V (diode) on the MotherX4 slots.
All the boards works properly, because my parts are able to be powered with close to 3V.
When I power the MotherX4 with the external PSU and provide 4.9V, the voltage drop to 4.2V on the MotherX4 slots too.
All the boards work properly and only 170mA is used.
If I power the MotherX4 with the external PSU and provide up to 6V, the voltage drop to 5.3V on the MotherX4 slots.
All the boards work properly and only 250mA is used. The CPC power is not altered and stay at 4.9V.
Conclusions:
- The schotty diodes protect the CPC againt back voltage.
- The schotty diodes allow to use an overrated PSU. (providing 6V for example)
- The schotty diodes should made expansions not properly working using the CTM only, if 4.5V to 5V is really required.
All four boards max 250 mA, that's great! :)
I guess when using the Mini-Booster with Bluetooth module it will drain a lot of mA. I can't measure, but I guess so from experience. But that is the power which the Bluetooth module needs.
5.3V is enough to fry some of the ICs used on the expansions and many in the CPC. I wouldn't do that too often or too long!
Bryce.
Quote from: Bryce on 19:08, 28 April 15
5.3V is enough to fry some of the ICs used on the expansions and many in the CPC. I wouldn't do that too often or too long!
I doubt about that... As parts are 5V±10%. And as I said, it is the maximum.
For information, a friend used its CPC during 5 years with a 6.1V PSU w/o problem... Then ? I saw that and put a 5V instead[nb]The fact is that he plugged a HxC and the LCD screen was always full dark, and he asked me why... :laugh: [/nb]. :-\
In all cases, the best is to use a 5V PSU with the MotherX4 !
If you check the datasheet of almost any 74LS chip you'll see that VCC absolute maximum is 5.25V (only military versions: 54LS go to 5.5V). You may be lucky if the rest of the circuit is holding the rail at exactly 5.3V, but any tiny spike could take it over the limit and you are definitely shortening the life of the CPCs already old ICs at 5.3V.
What parts claim 5V +/-10% ?
Bryce.
I don't use LS parts on my boards. ;D
And I have never seen a 5V±5% part frying because 5.3V instead of 5.25V. :-\
EDIT:
Looking datasheets, HC parts are +2.0V to +6V and HCT parts that are +4.5V to +5.5V.
The user won't have much use for your expansions if your recommendation ends up killing their CPC. I'm sure they'll thank you for that advice.
Bryce.
Come on guys, I guess we all agree that 5.0 V is the best choice. No need to struggle about details.
Our CPCs will life a long life anyway. :)
Quote from: TFM on 21:47, 28 April 15
Come on guys, I guess we all agree that 5.0 V is the best choice. No need to struggle about details.
Our CPCs will life a long life anyway. :)
and if not, Dr Bryce does have an excellent ant surprisingly affordable hospital for sick cpc's.
Craih
Quote from: Bryce on 21:04, 28 April 15
The user won't have much use for your expansions if your recommendation ends up killing their CPC. I'm sure they'll thank you for that advice.
Bryce.
I don't said to use a 6V PSU, but that MotherX4 can support an overrated voltage up to 6V.
I imagine that when you are using your car, you don't go each time to the switch (red zone) to change the gear?!
It is not a recommendation. The user have to deal with a 5V PSU. It is printed on the board.
It was just a stress test to see if a problem occured with the MotherX4 and a bad PSU.
The CPC stay at 4.9V and is not affected at all by that...That will not kill it.
So, if users got sort of problems with the MotherX4, please contact me!
Ok, fair enough. Just as long as no user thinks it's ok to go outside the limits.
Bryce.
Note to self: Charge Craigsbar more for the next repair, he thinks it's too cheap :D
Today I wanted to configure my SymbOS to use it with X-MASS,
but I'am running in a problem.
When I'am adding it as a new device "IDE device, Master, Primary partition 1" I get this message:
"Error while adding 1 device(s)
Device number: 2
Error Code: 30"
In SymCommander I see this message when choosing "C":
"Disc error (Code 02):
Device not initialized"
What tips do you have? :-)
What's you're ROM Configuration? (Hardware: X-Mem? & ROMs?)
yes - X-MEM - Standard ROMs - only SymbOS ROM's extra
Some X-MASS not work because SymbOS don't initialize it.
A patched version released by Prodatron some weeks ago should allow to fix that.
Thanks - now searching for the patched version for the X-MEM ;-)
I did a version for Protek, but I will post it here soon, too, as generating the ROM files is a little bit more complex compared to the "raw" loader version.
Quote from: Jungsi on 18:32, 01 May 15
When I'am adding it as a new device "IDE device, Master, Primary partition 1" I get this message:
"Error while adding 1 device(s)
Device number: 2
Error Code: 30"
I had a similar problem which probably was caused by not plugging the X-MASS properly on the X4 (1 pin row to the left or right). I recommend to double/triple/quadruple check this. Also, I recently decided to remove the 5V power adapter connected to the X4 and use instead a really good >3A power adapter connected to the CPC (instead of the monitor power supply).
This is the version I sent to Protek:
http://www.symbos.de/files/temp/symbos-lba.zip (http://www.symbos.de/files/temp/symbos-lba.zip)
It worked with Proteks DoM, I hope it will do the same with the other DoMs as well?
Thank you! :)
I have no doubt, as all the X-MASS dispatched have passed the BASIC tests from a CPC.
I finally got some kind of assurance that my X-Mass is still working. I managed to partition the X-Mass with the BonnyDOS partitioning tool and also to install BonnyDOS on it. Still getting the partition not found error with SymbOS on Prodatron's latest build though, when I've created a FAT partition on the DoM in Windows. Maybe I should also try not feeding power to the X4 as I have the +3 PSU feeding the 6128.
Still a bit mystery, why SymbOS lost the partition in the first place. One possible cause may be my B drive, which has been behaving erratically since the beginning. I found that I had a bad solder joint in the power adapter cable, which was causing disc not found errors all the time.
Hello, I had the same problem with X-Mass and SymbOS like Protek and Jungsi.
Now it works fine with Prodatrons released symbos-lba (SymbOS 3.0?). It's charming to start applications from X-Mass very quick and without "tactac..." noise caused by the floppy drive.
Many thanks to Toto and Prodatron :D
Do I have any other alternatives for creating a proper FAT partition on the DoM than the AcmeDos? I've tried both Windows and Linux based disk management tools to create the partition but can't seem to be able to create one that would be rcognizable by the custom SymbOS build.
In the meantime I've also tried BDos. Does the BDos setup utility actuall format the partition after the partition has been created in the BDos partitioning utility or do I need to format the partition separately before installing? The setup utility appears to install BDos after just creating the partition but it's not bootable.
Quote from: protek on 10:32, 05 June 15
Do I have any other alternatives for creating a proper FAT partition on the DoM than the AcmeDos? I've tried both Windows and Linux based disk management tools to create the partition but can't seem to be able to create one that would be rcognizable by the custom SymbOS build.
In the meantime I've also tried BDos. Does the BDos setup utility actuall format the partition after the partition has been created in the BDos partitioning utility or do I need to format the partition separately before installing? The setup utility appears to install BDos after just creating the partition but it's not bootable.
You need to format after creating the partition...
X-Mass help please (http://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/hardware-related/x-mass-help-please/msg95494/#msg95494)
On the 'SetupA' disc, run"disce (English).
The initial screen is in German, but once loaded the Menu's are in English.
Select 'Install'.
Select 'Create'.
For a single partition, select 'Maximum' then 'Go'.
The partition is created and then you are asked to create a Supervisor Account.
Select 'Yes' and follow steps (choose user & password).
After partitioning your disk, it must be formatted.
Exit the setup utility.
Reboot the CPC and Enter |LOGIN
Enter your previously configured 'User & password'
Enter |FORMAT
When formatting is completed you can enter a partition/disk name.
Once completed, reboot the CPC.
Now you should be able to access the X-mass with |C (or |D) and 'cat'.
Ok, thanks! :)
then, I can use the x-mass under cp/m?
Actually no. May be in the future...
Thanks. It would be great.
It's possible to connect the DOM disk to the PC whit a adapter IDE 44 male to IDE 40 male and a standard
IDE 40 pines cable?
Possible to copy, read, format...?
Need power supply?
For example this adapter is valid?
2 5 IDE 44 Pin Male to 40 Pin 3 5 IDE Male Dom HDD Adapter 40pin 44pin M M | (http://www.ebay.com/itm/2-5-IDE-44-Pin-Male-to-40-Pin-3-5-IDE-Male-Dom-HDD-adapter-40pin-44pin-m-m/161128177235?_trksid=p2045573.c100033.m2042&_trkparms=aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.SEED%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20131017132637%26meid%3Dd09528fb322f4d8b812f0666d612f8e5%26pid%3D100033%26rk%3D4%26rkt%3D4%26sd%3D161749486165)
Thanks in advance.
I have already bought this adapter. It not work. (I have hacked a ribbon cable with pins for my tests)
I think that I will have to build my own adapter to plug over a 2"1/2 IDE to USB reader and allow CPC users what you are asking.
I buy this adapter and work OK for me :
44pin IDE male to male M-M extension adapter converter card [ST4444] - $5.99 : (http://eshop.sintech.cn/44pin-ide-male-to-male-mm-extension-adapter-converter-card-p-915.html)
With an adapter like this :
New USB 2 0 to IDE SATA 5 25 s ATA 2 5 3 5 Adapter Cable HG | eBay (http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-USB-2-0-to-IDE-SATA-5-25-S-ATA-2-5-3-5-Adapter-Cable-HG-/271968188214?hash=item3f52913736:g:VMwAAOSwaA5WhzH2)
Quote from: 00WReX on 09:50, 16 March 15
If anybody is interested (and this was inspired by CraigsBar's excellent SymbOS Quick Start Guide ;D ).
Here is what I did to get BonnyDOS working with the X-Mass.
There is no English User Manual as far a I can tell...so here goes.
Get the ROMs/Files from here...BonnyDOS - CPCWiki (http://www.cpcwiki.eu/index.php/BonnyDOS)
* BonnyDOS ROMs (v1.72) <-- Use these ROMs (BDOS ROM + 2x Addon ROMs)
* BonnyDOS System Disks <-- Use the Setup on these Discs
Note: The System Disc's include the slightly earlier version 1.71 BDOS ROM.
Place the ROM(s) in positions below the AmsDOS ROM in postition 7
* BonnyDOS does not replace the AmsDOS ROM.
I placed them in positions 4, 5, 6.
On the 'SetupA' disc, run"disce (English).
The initial screen is in German, but once loaded the Menu's are in English.
Select 'Install'.
Select 'Create'.
For a single partition, select 'Maximum' then 'Go'.
The partition is created and then you are asked to create a Supervisor Account.
Select 'Yes' and follow steps (choose user & password).
After partitioning your disk, it must be formatted.
Exit the setup utility.
Reboot the CPC and Enter |LOGIN
Enter your previously configured 'User & password'
Enter |FORMAT
When formatting is completed you can enter a partition/disk name.
Once completed, reboot the CPC.
Now you should be able to access the X-mass with |C and 'cat'.
To go back to the 'A' drive enter |AMS
You can create folders (directories) with the |MD,"DISK1" command (DISK1 is an example only).
You can copy files from the 'A' drive to the 'C' drive with |DCOPY,"TEST.BAS" or *.BAS etc.
* Remember to go into the directory on 'C' that you want the files copied to before beginning the copy.
* Note, BonnyDOS uses it's own File System. SymbOS cannot read it once formatted under BonnyDOS.
Cheers,
Shane
Hi Shane
BonnyDos and the 6128 Plus X-Mem and X-MassHi I am able to install the 3 BonnyDos Roms ok into the X-mem.I have put them into 4-5-6BUT when i reboot (After full power down) or just reset.The machine locks up at the BonnyDos Line.Do I have to Format - Partition the DOM in some way ??? Sorry for the poor second photo.This was obtained by switching out the roms so i could run the DISCE installer.Thanks Ray
Hi Ray,
Yes the X-Mass/DOM will need to be formatted with the BDOS config tool.
QuoteOn the 'SetupA' disc, run"disce (English).
The initial screen is in German, but once loaded the Menu's are in English.
Select 'Install'.
Select 'Create'.
For a single partition, select 'Maximum' then 'Go'.
The partition is created and then you are asked to create a Supervisor Account.
Select 'Yes' and follow steps (choose user & password).
After partitioning your disk, it must be formatted.
Exit the setup utility.
Reboot the CPC and Enter |LOGIN
Enter your previously configured 'User & password'
Enter |FORMAT
When formatting is completed you can enter a partition/disk name.
Once completed, reboot the CPC.
Now you should be able to access the X-mass with |C and 'cat'.
Cheers,
Shane
EDIT 1:Ooh, I just re-read what you wrote and realised you are locking up after installing the ROMs, therefore you cannot get to format.
Mmm, it's been a long time since I did all my config of BDOS (Still working like a charm by the way).
I will have to think some more (it's a shame you are not just around the corner, could have a look for you).
EDIT 2: That first screen shot seems to ring a bell...I'm sure that happened to me at some point during my initial attempts with BDOS. Hmmm
EDIT 3: First thought, ensure all other ROMS are parked...just leave the BDOS ROMs active (if you have not tried that already).
Cheers,
Shane
Really strange... :-\
I will do some extra test this sunday, because that worked fine for me and no problem to format before shipping them.
Quote from: 00WReX on 09:00, 24 February 16
Hi Ray,
Yes the X-Mass/DOM will need to be formatted with the BDOS config tool.
Cheers,
Shane
EDIT 1:Ooh, I just re-read what you wrote and realised you are locking up after installing the ROMs, therefore you cannot get to format.
Mmm, it's been a long time since I did all my config of BDOS (Still working like a charm by the way).
I will have to think some more (it's a shame you are not just around the corner, could have a look for you).
EDIT 2: That first screen shot seems to ring a bell...I'm sure that happened to me at some point during my initial attempts with BDOS. Hmmm
If it comes to the front please tell me.
EDIT 3: First thought, ensure all other ROMS are parked...just leave the BDOS ROMs active (if you have not tried that already).
Yes i have decommisioned all the Roms Including FW3.15 (and 3.16) and have only the BDos Roms active, and changed DOM
I will do some Voltage and ripple tests tomorrow.
Its looking like the X-Mass board is unwell.
Cheers,
Shane
Oops answers in the Quote Above.
Thanks Ray
Quote from: protek on 15:09, 13 April 15
Well, this cable should do it. The closest lower pin on the right corresponds to pin 1 of the DOM. On the left the corresponding pin is the closest upper pin, which corresponds to pin 1 of a 44-pin IDE drive. I've ordered an IDE to USB adapter.
Hi protek
Did the Male to Male adapter work with the 128 Meg DOM
Thanks Ray
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Quote from: Cpcmaniaco on 01:28, 12 January 16
I buy this adapter and work OK for me :
44pin IDE male to male M-M extension adapter converter card [ST4444] - $5.99 : (http://eshop.sintech.cn/44pin-ide-male-to-male-mm-extension-adapter-converter-card-p-915.html)
With an adapter like this :
New USB 2 0 to IDE SATA 5 25 s ATA 2 5 3 5 Adapter Cable HG | eBay (http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-USB-2-0-to-IDE-SATA-5-25-S-ATA-2-5-3-5-Adapter-Cable-HG-/271968188214?hash=item3f52913736:g:VMwAAOSwaA5WhzH2)
Thank you very much.
Almost two months after I received the ide male-male adapter and it works perfectly for me. I could transfer to the videos for SymbOS: More than 40 mb
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160514/813cba64c92fd567498014034b13da39.jpg)
@angelcaio (http://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=1263)
Thanks for the Photo of the Sintech adapter.
I had just ordered this one about a week ago from china.
2 Adapters, 2 Cables
Sintech 2SET 44pin IDE Male TO Male Extension Adapter Card 10cms Cable 4 DOM SSD (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/221232094995?_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT)
waiting for its arrival.
Ray
Do i need some special male-male adapter for a cheap USB2IDE (ebay) or is a simple 1:1 44-pin connecting plug (male-male) ok?
When i remove the DOM from the XMASS, i see the message "Pins are inverted" - what does it mean?
USB2IDE devices are 2.5" female, like the DOM. You only require a male/male gender adapter to plug it.
The message "Pins are inverted" inform that you have to plug the DOM on the other way[nb]It is a board design optimisation. Best, this allow to directly plug a CF card adapter on it.[/nb]. It's why the DOM key was cut...
(take care to plug it on the good way to the PC, else it will be not detected)
Quote from: SOS on 10:15, 19 May 16
Do i need some special male-male adapter for a cheap USB2IDE (ebay) or is a simple 1:1 44-pin connecting plug (male-male) ok?
@SOS (http://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=941).
I am purchasing this adapter for the DOM I use in the X-Mass.
Sintech 2set 44pin IDE male to male extension adapter card+10cms cable 4 DOM SSD (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/221232094995?_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT)
Ray
Quote from: Audronic on 10:27, 19 May 16I am purchasing this adapter for the DOM I use in the X-Mass.
Expensive for what it is... I should build some of them for peoples requiring that.
@TotO
"" Expensive for what it is... I should build some of them for peoples requiring that. ""
You do get 2 Adapters and 2 Cables :picard2:
Damn, to late.
Oh Well Ray
Oups... I have not seen that was a set of two! :doh:
By the way, the ribbon cable is not required. This should be enough:
44 Pin 44pin Male IDE PATA to 44pin 44 Pin Male IDE PATA M M Adapter | eBay (http://www.ebay.com/itm/44-Pin-44Pin-male-IDE-PATA-to-44Pin-44-pin-male-IDE-PATA-M-M-adapter-/151590050678?hash=item234b789b76:g:PSUAAOSwPhdU4Bo9)
@Tot0
I Looked for about 3 Hours thing to find that adapter but we must get a different Ebay feed Down here.
I also found from the same company Sintech has a 40 - 40 Male - Male for an other project i am working with.
Thanks for the link.
Ray
Ray,
If your item was not sent, you should see with the seller to cancel it. :-\
Tot0
To late already they have sent it about a week ago.
Now if it was coming from France it should be here tomorrow. ;D
Ray
Quote from: Audronic on 10:52, 19 May 16To late already they have sent it about a week ago.
Now if it was coming from France it should be here tomorrow. ;D
Hahaha! ;D
May be someone leaving South-Australia will be interested to get your second adapter in 7 days! :-\
@TotO (http://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=290)
? Who is Leaving South Australia, is He/She coming to Melbourne. It might be here by then, I only want 1 Adapter.
Thanks
Ray
Quote from: TotO on 10:36, 19 May 16
This should be enough:
44 Pin 44pin Male IDE PATA to 44pin 44 Pin Male IDE PATA M M Adapter | eBay (http://www.ebay.com/itm/44-Pin-44Pin-male-IDE-PATA-to-44Pin-44-pin-male-IDE-PATA-M-M-adapter-/151590050678?hash=item234b789b76:g:PSUAAOSwPhdU4Bo9)
Do you think, a more simple solution will work?
IDE PATA Adapter 44 Pin 44 Pin Mit Male Stecker Auf Beiden Seiten | eBay (http://www.ebay.de/itm/IDE-PATA-Adapter-44-Pin-44-Pin-Mit-Male-Stecker-Auf-Beiden-Seiten-/380457672229?hash=item58950b5e25:g:TisAAOSwYGFUutyT)
@SOS (http://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=941)
No. 1=2, 2=1, 3=4, 4=3 etc
Ray
This adapter works with the DOMs
Ray
Ok, today i received my "Delock Adapter 65090":
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/511e3ONBjrL._SY355_.jpg)
The DOM will be found by my Windows 8.1.
To remember how to fit the ide/Usb with the dom: ask your daughter for nail polish... :D
xesrjb
Yes !!
How simple.
Well done ( I have stickers all over mine).
I also have Stickers on the outward face identifying the OS That it is setup for.
Thanks Ray
Uff, could you please send me the both ROMS to try them out? (IMP and ACME)
The ROMS must be flashed into the x-mem?
I can give you my privat Email via PM
xesrjb
@xesrjb (http://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=230)
ImpDOS has been given to me from AST " Not to be Passed on " I am unable to give you a copy, Sorry
AcmeDOS Is here :- It is the Latest 08-June-2016
Have fun Ray
Thanks...
xesrjb
Any hint where to buy additional DOM's (no SUB :D )
Is it possible to take a 40 pin DOM?
xesrjb
Quote from: xesrjb on 16:19, 11 July 16
Any hint where to buy additional DOM's (no SUB :D )
Is it possible to take a 40 pin DOM?
xesrjb
With an adaptor and an external power supply I don't see why not.