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Re: Who wants IDE drives on the PCW?
« Reply #150 on: 18:41, 26 March 17 »
It looks like the photos I put on the Wiki page showing the right way to connect the uIDE to a PCW are not consistent with the cards I sent out. This is because I used a prototype in the photos.  :picard:


So, I have taken those shots down temporarily, and will put some new ones up soon, when I have a built uIDE-8 to show.


Big thanks to GeoffB17 for pointing this out to me!


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Re: Who wants IDE drives on the PCW?
« Reply #151 on: 19:26, 26 March 17 »
Hello Jon,

sure, I will describe my experiences with the uIDE:i am using a normal 40pin cable for PC hard drives, as you see at the picture.First I had connect the uIDE at the other connection of the cable, but that doesn't work,  I think because of the cable length. The cable should be short I think, about 15cm.

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Meanwhile I use J29CPM, the file transmission I have changier from EMT to EMS. This version of CPM can be started from my GOTEK-USB with HxC firmware and the hardware driver works.

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In order for the new drives to be detected, they must first be addressed once.

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The uIDE Drive is really fast, like the RAM.
With xformat new DOMs can be formatted very quickly and comfortably.


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It is really a great work, I hope SymbOS will support the uIDE soon.


Greetings from Germany,
Marcus
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Re: Who wants IDE drives on the PCW?
« Reply #152 on: 20:27, 26 March 17 »
Yes, yes!


Got my uIDE working just now, after some problems due to the instructions being a bit out of date, and I'd got a couple of the utilities from an early version.   Thanks to Jon for 'telephone support', but all working fine now.


Just need to sort through all the 'stuff' on the DOM, a lot I already have.   Still, not exactly short of space now!


I'll do some testing regarding compiles, etc, and report further.


Seems like the version of NSWP I have is OK with the drive capacities, but I need to keep an eye on that.   Maybe some file sizes cause confusion, or so I've noticed on the Joyce emulator.


By the way, my IDE cable is fairly long, maybe 40cm+, but it seems to be fine.   If it's working, I'll not mess with it.


Thanks again, Jon.


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Re: Who wants IDE drives on the PCW?
« Reply #153 on: 10:20, 27 March 17 »

It is really a great work, I hope SymbOS will support the uIDE soon.


Thanks Marcus! Yes, Prodatron (author of SymbOS) already said he would support uIDE on the PCW under SymbOS (also on the 6128 I imagine, but he wants to do the PCW version first). I am waiting for some parts before completing his boards. I like your GoTek installation, by the way. Looks really tidy!

About the cable length. I have made up 50cm cables that worked OK with expansion port adapters. But as your installation is with a shim, I imagine it will be internal, so you can stick to short lengths. In general though, I agree that it's wise to minimise the cable length, as there's no termination (or buffering) on the board. Maybe your cable has some poor connection on the outer socket? I found that the old IDE cables I have lying around are quite stiff due to age, and this may cause their sockets to work loose. Try clamping the suspect socket in a vise to tighten the connections.

Geoff, I'm glad your boards are working now. I have updated the photos on the Wiki page that caused the confusion, although they show uIDE-16s connected to the PCWs because I have no built uIDE-8s to hand that are not prototypes. Not to worry though; the uIDE / bus cable orientation is now shown per the uIDE-8 "production" boards.


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Re: Who wants IDE drives on the PCW?
« Reply #154 on: 12:48, 27 March 17 »

I like your GoTek installation, by the way. Looks really tidy!


Thanks, I attach the stl-File from my blende for 3D printing.

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Re: Who wants IDE drives on the PCW?
« Reply #155 on: 19:12, 27 March 17 »
sucram, I am a little concerned that the XFORMAT.COM program is corrupting the usage string. Is this because your PCW is German?


Also, you might notice that it shows 16 devices (partitions). It's supposed to give you 16 IDE partitions, but the PCW only allows 6 :( and moreover, it takes one away from you if you plug the CPS8256 serial adapter in.


To add insult to injury (as we say in the UK), LocoScript gives you C: D: E: F: G: H: I: J: K: L: (but stops there). Odd, no?
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Re: Who wants IDE drives on the PCW?
« Reply #156 on: 20:48, 27 March 17 »
Nice gotek installation i don't have a 3d printer but love to get one for this kind of parts.

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Re: Who wants IDE drives on the PCW?
« Reply #157 on: 21:09, 27 March 17 »
sucram, I am a little concerned that the XFORMAT.COM program is corrupting the usage string. Is this because your PCW is German?


Also, you might notice that it shows 16 devices (partitions). It's supposed to give you 16 IDE partitions, but the PCW only allows 6 :( and moreover, it takes one away from you if you plug the CPS8256 serial adapter in.


To add insult to injury (as we say in the UK), LocoScript gives you C: D: E: F: G: H: I: J: K: L: (but stops there). Odd, no?


Yes, the strange display with Ä and Ü instead of [ and ] is because of the German language, the character table is a little different.


The number of partitions is enough. 😀


Greetings,
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Re: Who wants IDE drives on the PCW?
« Reply #158 on: 21:11, 27 March 17 »
Nice gotek installation i don't have a 3d printer but love to get one for this kind of parts.


Thanks! I also have no 3D printer, I use this service: https://www.3dhubs.com/

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Re: Who wants IDE drives on the PCW?
« Reply #159 on: 12:24, 30 March 17 »
So, I've assembled and installed my uIDE8 - YAY  ;D
But into an LSI Computer Systems Model-Three (LSI-M3) rather than a PCW  :o 8)

Anyway, I thought I'd post a few pics for all to see.

To start off, here's the uIDE8 in the LSI-M3 (the mainboard slides out of the case).  The uIDE is attached via a shim board and is resting on top of the RAM chips:

* LSIM3_uIDE8_2.jpg
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* LSIM3_CPM_SURVEY(2).jpg
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Booted up under CP/M 2.2, running SURVEY and IOMAP utilities shows the uIDE8 is configured and accessible via I/O ports, C8-CF:

* LSIM3-CPM_IOMAP(2).jpg
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* LSIM3_CPM_XTEST(2).jpg
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And lastly, the output form Jon's XTEST utility shows the master IDE device is accessible:
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I just need to sort out drivers that'll work with this machine and then make it boot from the uIDE8.
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Re: Who wants IDE drives on the PCW?
« Reply #160 on: 14:04, 30 March 17 »
Well done Steve!


SURVEY and IOMAP look like useful utilities. Could you upload a copy of each somewhere, please?

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Re: Who wants IDE drives on the PCW?
« Reply #161 on: 18:03, 30 March 17 »
Hi Jon,

Copy of IOMAP and SURVEY utilities.
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Re: Who wants IDE drives on the PCW?
« Reply #162 on: 18:49, 04 April 17 »
With source, I see... nice!

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Re: Who wants IDE drives on the PCW?
« Reply #163 on: 14:15, 17 May 17 »
I'm a little late to the party, I'm interested in doing this.
What are my options? bare boards? kit? or source my own PCBs?

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Re: Who wants IDE drives on the PCW?
« Reply #164 on: 17:33, 17 May 17 »
Hello -B-

Start by reading the wiki page I wrote. It should answer your questions and explains the capabilities and limitations of the device.

At the moment I have boards but not enough components to build finished items (I'm short of the edge connectors used by the adapter). If you want to use a Z80 shim I can probably build a set, because it doesn't use the edge connector. I strongly recommend you buy a DOM (£4) as well, because it has the driver on it, although you can download an image and put it on another IDE device.

PM me when/if you are ready to proceed.


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uIDE-8 red boards
« Reply #165 on: 17:14, 05 June 17 »
Hi


I have now run out of the v0.5 "blue" uIDE-8 boards. All I have left are the v0.4 "red" boards, and these have a couple of manufacturing defects which are easy to correct.


I added a new section to the Wiki page to explain here:


http://www.cpcwiki.eu/index.php/UIDE_Universal_IDE_adapter_cards_for_Z-80_computers#uIDE-8_.22red.22_boards


These minor issues aside,  they work exactly the same as the blue boards.


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Re: Who wants IDE drives on the PCW?
« Reply #166 on: 13:11, 17 July 17 »
@JonB




I was wondering if I put a Box header (50 Pin) on the PCW Z80 Bus Adapter
Instead of the Edge connector. And an Appropriate short cable from the PCW.


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Re: Who wants IDE drives on the PCW?
« Reply #167 on: 19:07, 17 July 17 »
Sure, Ray.

They are only wire connections after all. It's a tricky job, removing a 40 way connector though, unless you have a desoldering station. But how will you connect it to your PCW, if not via the edge connector? An alternative might be to get a Z80 shim. Open up your PCW and see if the Z80 is socketed. If it is, you are in business.

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PS, I see you are not using the video circuit (missing trimmer pot). None of the components in the video circuit border are needed by the interface.
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Re: Who wants IDE drives on the PCW?
« Reply #168 on: 02:08, 18 July 17 »
JonB


Is there a Schematic of the 6128 Z80 Bus Connector, and the PCW Z80 Bus adapter Please

I was thinking of using the Cable shown below as i have nil stock of the 50 Pin edge connectors


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Re: Who wants IDE drives on the PCW?
« Reply #169 on: 11:07, 18 July 17 »
That cable will work.


But make sure you have the uIDE oriented correctly.

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Re: Who wants IDE drives on the PCW?
« Reply #170 on: 17:41, 21 July 17 »
Hey jon the package arrived finally, for some reason royal mail ship it to uganda in place of uruguay  :P maybe is because both start on a U


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Re: Who wants IDE drives on the PCW?
« Reply #171 on: 17:45, 21 July 17 »
how the to install under the z80 the bus adapter dont seem to fit

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Re: Who wants IDE drives on the PCW?
« Reply #172 on: 17:04, 23 July 17 »
Hello,


Hopefully Jon will reply, but the bits you show look like the same one I have, the larger card is for the DOM etc, the smaller one fits onto the interface connector.   The second one is NOT the card for the Z80 shim thing.   Have you been sent the wrong bits?


Check the Wiki page for pics of the various bits/alternatives.


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Re: Who wants IDE drives on the PCW?
« Reply #173 on: 17:56, 23 July 17 »
Hi Sebastian


I think you ordered the external port adapter with composite video:


http://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/nc100-nc200-pcw-pda600/who-wants-ide-drives-on-the-pcw/msg141080/#msg141080


Don't forget that you need to patch the boardto get the video circuit to work:


http://www.cpcwiki.eu/index.php?title=UIDE_Universal_IDE_adapter_cards_for_Z-80_computers&mobileaction=toggle_view_desktop#PCW_Expansion_port_adapter_video_circuit_fix


I'm very happy your boards turned up!


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Re: Who wants IDE drives on the PCW?
« Reply #174 on: 21:04, 25 July 17 »
i see this go in the edge connector  :picard: , where you got edge connector this size ?