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Author Topic: CPC Wiki is no more #1 CPC TopSite?  (Read 5163 times)

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Re: CPC Wiki is no more #1 CPC TopSite?
« Reply #25 on: 17:38, 29 January 13 »
Well, the reason is more easy, i saw Prodatron talking about symbos in the AtariAge forums in this thread (you can see in the page 82 a youtube link to cpc symbos and Prodatron commenting) and this forum generate a lot more traffic than cpcwiki.

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Re: CPC Wiki is no more #1 CPC TopSite?
« Reply #26 on: 19:52, 29 January 13 »
Could be, timing is right, but... only a handful of replies in the thread since it was posted, none about it. Quite difficult to generate so much traffic from the *Atari*, not the MSC scene...??

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Re: CPC Wiki is no more #1 CPC TopSite?
« Reply #27 on: 22:54, 29 January 13 »
Sure the MSX (Spain, Netherlands, Brazil and four cats in uk-france... the japanese msx people usually ignore everything not coming from japopayoland) visits can help, but the Atari (Yankiland, Latin America, Eastern Europe, UK, Germany and four cats in Spain) scene is much bigger.

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Re: CPC Wiki is no more #1 CPC TopSite?
« Reply #28 on: 23:36, 29 January 13 »
Like I remember, Prodatron will give a presentation about Symbos in Berlin someday this year, it's part of Mikroprofessors presentation at the university Berlin. Maybe this may explain the increasing number of hits.
 
However, nice to see that a CPC site gets so much traffic.
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Re: CPC Wiki is no more #1 CPC TopSite?
« Reply #29 on: 11:51, 30 January 13 »
And since the link was posted, we've all been to check it out too, thus inflating their stats more...  ;)

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Re: CPC Wiki is no more #1 CPC TopSite?
« Reply #30 on: 12:06, 30 January 13 »
@SyX: I don't think the MSX scene ignores SymbOS. When it was first announced for the MSX there was quite an uproar and a surge of interest! And, as I said, I don't see that much interest from that thread. Heck, the video has 350 views in all :D

@TFM: oh, don't get me wrong. I don't mind it the least if it gets more traffic than we do, if  nothing else it means there's much new interest in our community in general - it can only be good for everyone. What I'm troubled about is that if the numbers are not real it means the Top lists have not much meaning.

@ralferoo: oh yes, I know it got a few hits from me :D

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Re: CPC Wiki is no more #1 CPC TopSite?
« Reply #31 on: 19:59, 30 January 13 »
Sure, you are right. The rankings are more or less close to reality for some sites. There are a lot of factors which are not integrated, so you're right, no need to overestimate them.


What counts in my opinion is the number of members (or active members) the forum here has. That tells a lot IMHO.



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Re: CPC Wiki is no more #1 CPC TopSite?
« Reply #32 on: 18:23, 07 February 13 »
I improved the topsites code...
So cheating people will see this button on their page:

Perhaps this helps to avoid cheating...
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Re: CPC Wiki is no more #1 CPC TopSite?
« Reply #33 on: 18:27, 07 February 13 »
Hahaha!


Oh, just saw that the SYmbOS page now shows this. Not sure - is it certain it's cheating? I wouldn't think so...

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Re: CPC Wiki is no more #1 CPC TopSite?
« Reply #34 on: 18:28, 07 February 13 »
You wouldn't...
But I do.
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Re: CPC Wiki is no more #1 CPC TopSite?
« Reply #35 on: 18:35, 07 February 13 »
The original code says:
[attachimg=1]

Prodatron's code is like:
[attachimg=2]

Where "rnd" changes each page view.
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Re: CPC Wiki is no more #1 CPC TopSite?
« Reply #36 on: 18:41, 07 February 13 »
How does that cheating work? Or if it is too secret, you must not tell.
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Re: CPC Wiki is no more #1 CPC TopSite?
« Reply #37 on: 18:42, 07 February 13 »
Because he added a random value to the image url, the buffer is refreshed each time you call the image and not every 24h via the IP address of the visitor.
That's how Prodatron's cheat works.

Now he only needs to keep his fingers on F5
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Re: CPC Wiki is no more #1 CPC TopSite?
« Reply #38 on: 18:42, 07 February 13 »
Ok, so what does this code do?
 
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Re: CPC Wiki is no more #1 CPC TopSite?
« Reply #39 on: 18:44, 07 February 13 »
It does nothing... Just generates a new image url every pageview.
This makes it possible to generate a new page hit everytime he refreshes the page.
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Re: CPC Wiki is no more #1 CPC TopSite?
« Reply #40 on: 18:47, 07 February 13 »
Ok, if I press refresh 1000 times then I get 1000 hits.... or I let a small script do that :laugh:
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Re: CPC Wiki is no more #1 CPC TopSite?
« Reply #41 on: 18:48, 07 February 13 »
He uses a PHP routine like this:
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<?php
    $random 
rand();
    
$imageurl"cpc-live.com/topsites/button.php?u=Prodatron&rnd=".$random;
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Re: CPC Wiki is no more #1 CPC TopSite?
« Reply #42 on: 18:55, 07 February 13 »
Smart idea ;-)
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Re: CPC Wiki is no more #1 CPC TopSite?
« Reply #43 on: 19:04, 07 February 13 »
Sure, the idea is smart.
But I find it has nothing to do with fair play.
Poor :(
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Re: CPC Wiki is no more #1 CPC TopSite?
« Reply #44 on: 19:54, 07 February 13 »
Let's take a deeper look:
Original page code says:
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<script language="JavaScript" type="text/javascript" src="subs.js"></script>
So let's look into the "subs.js"...

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**** snip ****

 document.write('<center><!-- MSX Rating Code -->');
 document.write('<a href="hxxp://wxx.caetano.eng.br/services/msxrating/toplist.php" target="_blank">');
 document.write('<img src="hxxp://wxx.caetano.eng.br/services/msxrating/msxrating.php?id=105&rnd=' + Math.random() + '" border=0 title="Click here to view all MSX Rating sites!"></a>');
 document.write('<!-- End of MSX Rating Code --><br> <br>');

 document.write('<a href="hxxp://cpc-live.com/topsites/"><img src="hxxp://cpc-live.com/topsites/button.php?u=Prodatron&rnd=' + Math.random() + '" alt="CPC-Topsites" border="0" /></a></center>');

**** snip ****

Oh... So the CPC-Toplist is not the only page where he's cheating.
Congrats, Proda!
You can be very proud of yourself.

(Themis: I removed all http and www related strings because it doesnt work in CODE tag... Could you take a look, why?)
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Re: CPC Wiki is no more #1 CPC TopSite?
« Reply #45 on: 20:01, 07 February 13 »
This is really strange... it does look like cheating - would there be any other reason to randomize it? Why on earth did he?


let's see the code tag:
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[url=http://www.cpcwiki.eu]CPCWiki[/url]

Oh yes, I see, it's the mod that automatically parses links; it doesn't respect the code tag. Interesting! I'll report it.

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Re: CPC Wiki is no more #1 CPC TopSite?
« Reply #46 on: 20:04, 07 February 13 »
Why on earth did he?

Is like: As smaller your Pe**s, as larger your car ;)
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Re: CPC Wiki is no more #1 CPC TopSite?
« Reply #47 on: 20:05, 07 February 13 »
Ah, can we bring the wiki down to maybe 5 visits a day then? :D

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Re: CPC Wiki is no more #1 CPC TopSite?
« Reply #48 on: 20:08, 07 February 13 »
Sure we can...
Shall I help you?
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Re: CPC Wiki is no more #1 CPC TopSite?
« Reply #49 on: 20:10, 07 February 13 »
Nah, got no problem with my big... numbers.