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TFM

Quote from: Gryzor on 08:31, 14 July 10
Well, for starters, you were being, intentionally or not, ironic. A smiley at the end doesn't cut it...

Maybe you're right, maybe one can get it in the wrong throat. The intension was motivation to do something or to start something. Since Mr. Lou has precise ideas how it shall look like, why not relize it that way. Future will show how it runs and if people like it. But first it must be realized.


Quote from: Gryzor on 08:31, 14 July 10
And, on a philosophical level, the theory of "if you want it exactly your way do it yourself" doesn't hold much water. Not practical. Doesn't make any sense.

You have not one argument aginst my theory, and I've proofen it at least for me in my whole live. In Biology, informatics, chemistry and ever with my OS.
My theory may not work for you or everybody, but I'm sure it works for everybody with real targets.
And Gryzor, you've already proofen my theory by building up the CPCWiki! ;-)

Quote from: Gryzor on 08:31, 14 July 10
So I don't like how the buttons on my HTC HD2 work, should I build one on my own? :D

If your dislike of the buttons is strong enought... Yes!
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mr_lou

How different would this thread have looked, if my first post (my first reply, the second post), looked like this instead:

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It would be really nice if all news-authors would put the name of the target-platform in the title of their news. That way a collection of cpc-news would be more useful, since you'd have a better overview of what's relevant to you and what's not.
This thread would thus be called "Arkos   Tracker v1.0 for Windows", and I'd know that I didn't care one bit about this since I run Linux.
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I can't believe the replies I'm getting on various forums sometimes, but I suspect maybe I should be better at expressing myself. At least it's my experience, that people who don't know me usually interpret things I say in a rather negative way rather than in the productive way it was meant. (And it's getting rather tiring being stamped as a complainer when it's definitely not what I'm doing. Even more so when all subsequent attempts of explaining also fails). The written word is only 25% of what we say....

Gryzor

@TMF: actually, I did give an argument (the HTC one), and you quoted it, so it's so strange to claim that I didn't...

What you say does not make any sense because as a theory (or practice) it ignores the principle of competitive advantage and waste of resources.

I built the wiki not because there was something not good enough out there, but because there was nothing out there (actually at the time I think there were no retro wikis at all). But at this point, with our wiki having such a momentum and size, it makes absolutely no sense building something anew just to make it better: it makes much more sense to try and improve the current setup. Same thing with what Mr_Lou said.

@Mr_Lou: I think it's clear that you had no 'bad' intentions. What you wrote above is a small step but making a big difference, but I'll insist that the same result could be achieved with a simple "What platform is this for?". This way you provoke the thinking of the issue without actually making a suggestion to the author... it's all in the subtlety :)

mr_lou

Quote from: Gryzor on 08:28, 16 July 10
But I'll insist that the same result could be achieved with a simple "What platform is this for?".

I find it rather stunning that you apparently still don't get, that the very reason I wanted to poke this idea into news-writers heads, was to avoid doing precisely what you say there. I wanted to have an overview of which news was relevant to me. This could be achieve by creating some advanced multi-user news-system and have everyone use that instead of their own personal blog - OR everyone could simply put in the title what platform the news item was about. I seriously doubt anyone would want to use an new advanced multi-user news-system rather than their own personal blog, so the put-platform-in-title idea seemed like a good idea to me.
But NEVER FUCKING MIND.  :) It's quite clear that poking ideas like this into the community is a mission impossible, and it's not that important to me either. It was just a nice-to-have thing, but I understand we'll never have it.

TFM

Quote from: Gryzor on 08:28, 16 July 10
What you say does not make any sense because as a theory (or practice) it ignores the principle of competitive advantage and waste of resources.

In contrast, the principle of competitive advantage is bullshit, and it's prooven wrong. Teamwork is much more efficient. I expect a smart guy like you to know that.

However, worlds are colliding here. I see no need to discuss this more, since arguments become redundant.
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Gryzor

@Mr_lou: I find it rather stunning that you don't understand that what you say could be equally achieved by doing what I suggested. People are not stupid (generally speaking, at least here, at least that's what I like to think) so that ever-subtle hint would sow the idea you seek to infuse. And I find it *absolutely* stunning that you haven't seen all the ideas that have flourished from this and similar communities... the mind boggles.

@TFM: as a holder of a very tough B.Sc. in Economic science and a couple postgrad degreeds in relevant matters, I can tell you that competitive (or comparative) advantage has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with teamwork or working alone. If that's what you have understood then clearly you haven't seen a single diagram explaining how it works. Plus, there are two funny things here: one, YOU suggested something going totally against the grain of collaboration ("do it yourself"), and two, competitive advantage is ALL for teamwork, just in broader areas. That's what you don't understand.

Oh, also: competitive advantage has been proven to be wrong? Let me LOL: HA, HA, HAR!!!!!! :D :D :D :D :D !!!!????!!!11!

TFM

@Gryzor: Hey Genius! Since german is no problem for you, I can only say: Der Klügere gibt nach ;-)

And these  :D  are really disgusting!
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mr_lou

 :police: "So, I have this idea that we could set up the alarm system to automatically go online at 8 o'clock every evening."
8) "You know, you can just turn it on manually at 8 o'clock"
:police: "Yea, but it would be nice if it was automatic"
8) "But you can achieve the same by doing it manually"
:police: "No dude, I cannot. The difference is, I have to do some work with the manual solution."
8) "WTF?! I'm bloody flourishing you with ideas here! Mind boggling."
:police: "...right."

TFM

This  8)  guy seems to be really bullheaded!?!
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Targhan

I'm really sorry for all the mess. Next time I do a software, I'll call it *cpc* Starkos or *Windows* Arkos Tracker. That will settle all this.

Yuk.

Trg.Aks
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mr_lou

This has gone from ridiculous to interesting-experiment. Goal: Try to succeed in explaining the difference to the community. Maybe I need a poll: Do you get it? Yes/No

Quote from: Targhan on 00:17, 17 July 10
I'm really sorry for all the mess. Next time I do a software, I'll call it *cpc* Starkos or *Windows* Arkos Tracker. That will settle all this.

Difficult to know if you're being ironic or not at this stage, but it will settle nothing, that one developer or one news-writer does it, in relation to what I'm talking about. Sure, it'll be nice for that one piece of news, or that one piece of software. (And you're right that putting platform in the name of the product does automatically put it in all (I should hope) future news-posts too of course, so actually great alternative idea in that respect. But I'm pretty sure that less developers would put the platform in the name of their product, than news-writers would put it in their title).

And it really has no real effect before everything starts doing it. I'm wondering how many times I'll need to keep writing that before most members of this forum gets it. Maybe if I use some cases, in which we pretend there are 20 news-posts (and let's pretend they're all written in English as well).

CASE 1: All product developers and/or news-writers puts platform in the title of their product and/or news
Result: Newsbot gives me a clear overview of what's relevant to me without me needing to open the posts that aren't relevant to me. I find that maybe 7 of them are relevant to me. It took me 15 seconds to learn that, by looking at the overview. Wow! I find that to be quite groovy, that I could read what platform the app/game was for in the title.

CASE 2: All product developers and/or news-writers does as they've always done
Result: Alrighty, I have to click and open each of the 20 news-posts and see if the description contains something about platform. It probably doesn't, in which case I have to mail the author and ask, or visit his webpage to find out. Hmm... no, I'm too lazy to spend 15 minutes reading through all of those 20 posts, considering how little of it usually is relevant to me. So I end up not reading any of the news at all.

Now, I know that according to Einstein, time is relevant. But to me, there's a significant difference between 15 seconds and 15 minutes regardless of other circumstances. So I'm just puzzled how anyone can claim that I can achieve the same by asking the author about platform, or even just click the news-item and read.
YES! I KNOW I CAN DO THAT IN LACK OF BETTER, BUT THAT'S NOT THE ISSUE!

And let me repeat another thing: I do not expect people to start putting the platform in the name or their product or title of their news-post. I don't think it'll happen. It was just an idea. Getting a single person to understand the advantages of an idea can be hard enough sometimes, but getting a group of people to, is clearly a mission impossible. At this stage, it seems that it's best to never speak out about something that could be nice-to-have, when I know it'll never happen.
And this has never been a debate about getting people to do so or not. It has never been a discussion about setting a global standard. That's impossible. It has only been a debate about whether or not it would be beneficial if they did. Purely wishful thinking.
However, it's getting interesting to see how many posts is required for people to get that.

:police: "It would be nice if all CPC news could be assembled into 1 filtered RSS feed"
8) "You know, you can achieve the same by looking at the newsbot posts at CPC wiki"
:police: "No dude, I cannot. That is not an RSS feed"
8) "So? It gives you the same info"
:police: "Let me speak slower. The keyword here is  R S S   f e e d.  And besides, the newsbot doesn't allow me to filter out anything. See? That's 2 whole differences. Not the same thing."
8) "Well I don't need it to be a filtered RSS feed, so why would you?"
:police: "... you're right. Everyone in the world has the same preferences as you. My bad. Sorry."
8) "Ok I give up, why do you need a filtered RSS?"
:police: "Because I'm 1) really not interested in French news for one thing. And 2) I'm not interested in Windows shit either. And 3) having an RSS feed would allow me to read the news on my phone. There, I explained it."
8) "... you know you can achieve the same by asking the author. I can't believe you can't see that."
:police: ".... anyone? I'm missing an icon of en elephant gun here. Can I have some kind of weapon to insert into this chat please? Anything. Just something that can do some serious damage to that other smiley face, the one with the sunglasses."
8) "...It could be nice if someone game me a million euro"
:police: "..."
8) "Yea, that would be sweet."
:police: "Hey, you can get a million euro by working hard and   saving up."
8) "...yea, you're right."
:police: "...not the same thing though, is it?"
8) "...no"
:police: " ;) "

Gryzor

I'm sorry, but right now I feel like:
[youtube=kQFKtI6gn9Y]Arguments...[/youtube]

:)

But, hey, how could you build a filtered RSS feed? This would require some serious tweaking...

mr_lou

Quote from: Gryzor on 07:41, 17 July 10
But, hey, how could you build a filtered RSS feed? This would require some serious tweaking...

Well I can't, can I? Again, that's not what it's about.
It's only about, that: It could be sweet, if I could.

Targhan

MrLou : I haven't read your stuff. My last message was a joke. Oh, well...
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mr_lou

Don't worry. The reply is for those who didn't interpret it as a joke. It wasn't for you specifically.

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