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Offline khaz

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Re: Brexit. UK Politics.
« Reply #200 on: 22:15, 30 June 16 »
Technically for democracy you would have to allow anyone from any country to vote for any of the political parties standing. As a brit I can't vote Syriza, so by definition its not actually democracy. Of course this way would lead to cross nation political parties being set up, which will lead to a stronger federalism, and a loss of national identity, which is probably not what people want either

You absolutely can vote for Syriza. The only condition for that is to have a Syriza representative in your local area. If you feel strongly about this party you can set up a branch with your friends and have one of you elected to represent their ideas.

You speak about cross national parties, but it's already being done. Each elected member of the parliament have to affiliate themselves to a group, or to the unaffiliated group. These groups of people are formed by affinities, liberals tend to associate with other liberals, independent stick with other independents etc. These groups are not set in stone and any two members of the parliament can create a new one. They are just here to facilitate the representation of common interests.

You fear about it leading to stronger federalism and a loss of national identity (even though you started by complaining about not being able to vote for a foreign party), but this isn't what is happening. Even though people group with each other for common interests, they still keep their own interests (local and national) in mind. And for a simple reason: if a member of the parliament doesn't represent the people who have elected them, they may not be elected again next time.

It's a complex game of politics, but having big European parties doesn't lead to a weakened national independence. In fact, there is a group for most of the separatists from all around Europe. And they certainly don't feel their ideas being diluted by being into a transnational group.

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Re: Brexit. UK Politics.
« Reply #201 on: 22:30, 30 June 16 »
That's the same regardless of the area covered by an representative elected democracy. So you can same exactly the same about the House of Commons. How can one MP represent the town I live in and the countryside around the town? How can he/she represent Labour voters, Conservative voters, Green Party voters and Liberal Democratic voters? Let alone how can a government that normally only picks MPs from a single part for the cabinet properly represent all the voters?

Yep you're damn right about the House of Lords , no avoiding those bunch of Un-elected,aristocratic scum.
With regard to the EU Another layer of bureaucracy, which costs an absolute fortune in itself , to function and getting anything changed is like doing a U turn with a Cruiseliner , maybe the Titanic might be too catty to use as a comparison   

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Re: Brexit. UK Politics.
« Reply #202 on: 22:32, 30 June 16 »
Anyway I wouldn't be surprised if Scotland and maybe Northern Ireland joined you guy's in the EU?