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Smart!!
« on: 22:13, 12 March 18 »
Here we have an example of a very clever businessman:

https://www.ebay.com/i/282688385241?ul_noapp=true


Take 2 consecutive C64's with boxes, swap the boxes, and make a fortune from people's stupidity on Ebay! Yeah - way to go!!  ;D   :laugh: 
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Re: Smart!!
« Reply #1 on: 23:27, 12 March 18 »
Here we have an example of a very clever businessman:

https://www.ebay.com/i/282688385241?ul_noapp=true


Take 2 consecutive C64's with boxes, swap the boxes, and make a fortune from people's stupidity on Ebay! Yeah - way to go!!  ;D   :laugh:


Wouldn't have worked with the Amstrad guys... 😂

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Re: Smart!!
« Reply #2 on: 01:10, 13 March 18 »
Why would anyone buy that?   Unless it was factory sealed i don't see why anyone would think this was anything other than suspect

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Re: Smart!!
« Reply #3 on: 02:32, 13 March 18 »
i don't see why anyone would think this was anything other than suspect


Well, some people also think that they are targeted by the government that has implanted mind control chips in their brains  8)  Not everybody's sense of reality is the same  :D

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Re: Smart!!
« Reply #4 on: 03:03, 13 March 18 »

Well, some people also think that they are targeted by the government that has implanted mind control chips in their brains  8)  Not everybody's sense of reality is the same  :D
Lol

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Re: Smart!!
« Reply #5 on: 07:51, 13 March 18 »

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Re: Smart!!
« Reply #6 on: 10:13, 13 March 18 »

Well, some people also think that they are targeted by the government that has implanted mind control chips in their brains  8)  Not everybody's sense of reality is the same  :D

But they have!!! They put a transmitter in my tooth filling too so that they can listen to everything I say!

Back in a minute, time to take those big green tablets again... :D

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Edit: I threw out one of those Amiga boxes a few months ago and it was in better condition than that!

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Re: Smart!!
« Reply #7 on: 10:19, 13 March 18 »
And some people think that the X-files is a documentary series.............. :o

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Re: Smart!!
« Reply #8 on: 14:31, 13 March 18 »
So, wait, even if it was the real thing and numbers were off by one... so what? It's not like we're talking about stamps or coins here. Who the fuck cares?


Also, what's a Commadore?

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Re: Smart!!
« Reply #9 on: 14:35, 13 March 18 »
Also, what's a Commadore?

A mediocre 8-bit computer with punctuation?  :)

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Re: Smart!!
« Reply #10 on: 14:36, 13 March 18 »
A mediocre 8-bit computer with punctuation?  :)

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Re: Smart!!
« Reply #11 on: 18:11, 13 March 18 »
But they have!!! They put a transmitter in my tooth filling too so that they can listen to everything I say!


Careful what you write, they might come after you!  :doh:
... at least you can get it out.
I tried to remove mine, but stopped because I couldn't drill deep enough into my skull.  >:(

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Re: Smart!!
« Reply #12 on: 18:28, 13 March 18 »
Also, what's a Commadore?

Pointless info #47:

Back in the day, a lot of people in Denmark referred to the C64 as "kommodeskuffen", which directly translated means dresser drawer....

So now you know.  :)

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Re: Smart!!
« Reply #13 on: 21:48, 13 March 18 »
Maybe this should be titled "smart....unless you actually buy this crap"    Doesn't exactly roll  off the tongue

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Re: Smart!!
« Reply #14 on: 06:51, 14 March 18 »
My aunty had a C64. I never knew what people meant when they said "Commodore 64 is the only computer with a disk drive slower than tape loading..." until I saw it load a game from the disk drive. I don't know what made it so slow... but it took forever. Was the information on the disk stored in analogue signal or something?
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Re: Smart!!
« Reply #15 on: 07:57, 14 March 18 »
My aunty had a C64. I never knew what people meant when they said "Commodore 64 is the only computer with a disk drive slower than tape loading..." until I saw it load a game from the disk drive. I don't know what made it so slow... but it took forever. Was the information on the disk stored in analogue signal or something?

I never heard anyone say anything negative about the C64. In fact, everyone seemed to praise it as "the best".
Of course, I didn't know at the time that this was because these people didn't have any experience with any other computer. I assumed they knew all about the CPC, so I thought the C64 was really a superior machine.

You can imagine how puzzled I was when I then got to sit down with a C64 for the first time, trying hard to find this greatness this machine was supposed to have, while comparing with the CPC. The disk loading time in particular was a big challenge yes. I honestly thought it took extra long to load because it was a superior machine, and thus needed to load a lot more, like e.g. stunning graphics or awesome music.

So you can probably also imagine my disappointment when the game was finally done loading, and it didn't look better than the CPC version at all.  :)

(This story is described in more detail in 8-bit Memoirs - the only C64 story in the project).

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Re: Smart!!
« Reply #16 on: 09:45, 14 March 18 »
My aunty had a C64. I never knew what people meant when they said "Commodore 64 is the only computer with a disk drive slower than tape loading..." until I saw it load a game from the disk drive. I don't know what made it so slow... but it took forever. Was the information on the disk stored in analogue signal or something?

The disk drive itself was as fast as the the CPC Drive, but the CPC transfers the data to the CPC in parallel, whereas the Commodore was hobbled by the IEC bus which is a particularly slow serial bus, so every byte would take at least 8 times longer.

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Re: Smart!!
« Reply #17 on: 09:49, 14 March 18 »

My aunty had a C64. I never knew what people meant when they said "Commodore 64 is the only computer with a disk drive slower than tape loading..." until I saw it load a game from the disk drive. I don't know what made it so slow... but it took forever. Was the information on the disk stored in analogue signal or something?
The C64 disc drive was something of a beast. It actually has it's own 6502 CPU running a custom OS and communicates with the C64 over a serial link, so in theory it can transfer data at a very high rate (and you could even off-load calculations to it if you wanted). The problem was that it needed to be compatible with older Commodore models (the VIC-20 I think?) which had buggy serial transfer code and couldn't cope with transfers above a fairly low speed. As a result the disk drive therefore was basically crippled to run at roughly tape drive speeds.


There was a whole market in turbo loader software which could be installed onto the drive to run the transfer at full speed, turning it into something which resembles a half decent disk system.  :laugh:

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Re: Smart!!
« Reply #18 on: 09:53, 14 March 18 »
I use JiffyDOS. :)

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Re: Smart!!
« Reply #19 on: 18:20, 14 March 18 »
The disk drive itself was as fast as the the CPC Drive, but the CPC transfers the data to the CPC in parallel, whereas the Commodore was hobbled by the IEC bus which is a particularly slow serial bus, so every byte would take at least 8 times longer.


That's actually only part of the story - the serial bus was designed to be fast, but due to a design flaw, they had to cripple it. This is described in detail in the book "Commodore - A Company on the edge", and also here
http://www.lemon64.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=52439

The C64 + floppy  hardware tandem was the first home parallel / multi-core computer  :-) People used the two 6502 in parallel to compute apple man pictures and similar  :)

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Re: Smart!!
« Reply #20 on: 18:25, 14 March 18 »
I never heard anyone say anything negative about the C64. In fact, everyone seemed to praise it as "the best".
Of course, I didn't know at the time that this was because these people didn't have any experience with any other computer. I assumed they knew all about the CPC, so I thought the C64 was really a superior machine.

You can imagine how puzzled I was when I then got to sit down with a C64 for the first time, trying hard to find this greatness this machine was supposed to have, while comparing with the CPC. The disk loading time in particular was a big challenge yes. I honestly thought it took extra long to load because it was a superior machine, and thus needed to load a lot more, like e.g. stunning graphics or awesome music.

So you can probably also imagine my disappointment when the game was finally done loading, and it didn't look better than the CPC version at all.  :)

(This story is described in more detail in 8-bit Memoirs - the only C64 story in the project).


It really depends, the system are quite different. I decided to get CPC 464 in 1985 mainly because of the monitor, the great BASIC, 80 colums, an overall more professional look and feel, the possibility to run CP/M. I was more into programming and applications.


For games, I think most people would agree that the C64 is indeed superior. Sprites being the biggest advantage of course, and then the SID sound chip. An awesome piece of hardware - a real synthesizer in a home computer.


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Re: Smart!!
« Reply #21 on: 18:28, 14 March 18 »
Talking about SID - here is an idea for another CPC hardware extension / add on for LambdaSpeak - would people care for the SID emulator?


https://playground.arduino.cc/Main/SID-emulatorCode

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Re: Smart!!
« Reply #22 on: 18:30, 14 March 18 »

It really depends, the system are quite different. I decided to get CPC 464 in 1985 mainly because of the monitor, the great BASIC, 80 colums, an overall more professional look and feel, the possibility to run CP/M. I was more into programming and applications.


For games, I think most people would agree that the C64 is indeed superior. Sprites being the biggest advantage of course, and then the SID sound chip. An awesome piece of hardware - a real synthesizer in a home computer.


Advantage if you liked looking at sixteen shades of brown!  :laugh:

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Re: Smart!!
« Reply #23 on: 18:32, 14 March 18 »
Advantage if you liked looking at sixteen shades of brown!  :laugh:


Sounds kinky  :P

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Re: Smart!!
« Reply #24 on: 18:39, 14 March 18 »

Sounds kinky  :P


Says he who used an emoji with a tongue hanging out. Given the implication, I think that says more about you than it does about me.  :laugh: