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BASIC Tenliners Contest 2015
« on: 18:23, 27 January 15 »
"Write a game in 10 lines of BASIC!"
For the fourth time this is the motto of the programming contest on the occasion of the retro computer meeting NOMAM. In the years 2011 and 2013 the BASIC Tenliners compo was a small internal competition and the programs were made live at the meeting. In contrast, in 2014 contributions from all over the world came. And only one contribution was produced live at the meeting. Over ABBUC and AtariAge forums the incredible amount of 40 games from Australia, USA, Chile, Poland, United Kingdom and Germany rolled in.
 
This year we want to give the competition a new impetus by opening it; both in terms of legal systems, as well as with regard to authorized BASIC dialects.
 
 
Legal systems:
 
Atari 8-Bit
Commodore 64
Commodore 128
Amstrad CPC
Authorized BASIC dialects:
Atari BASIC (A8)
Turbo BASIC XL (A8)
Altirra BASIC (A8)
OSS BASIC XE (A8)
OSS BASIC XL (A8)
Commodore BASIC V2 (C64)
Simon's BASIC (C64)
Commodore BASIC 7.0 (C128)
Locomotive BASIC 1.0 (Amstrad CPC)
Locomotive BASIC 1.1 (Amstrad CPC)
Other BASIC dialects and computer systems are approved under the condition that the contributions will be presented by the programmer on the original hardware at the NOMAM (04.11.) in Lübeck.

 Even if the fun of programming and the competition should be in the foreground, but a few rules are needed.

Contributions are accepted in three different categories:
Category "PUR":
 
 Program a game in 10 lines (max. 120 characters per logical line, abbreviations are allowed)
 
 Category "EXTREM":
 
 Program a game in 10 lines (max. 256 characters per logical line, abbreviations are allowed)
 
 Category "LIVE":
 
 On 04/11/15 a programming assignment is made, which must be resolved within 2 hours
Further rules:
 - No reloading of data or program parts
 - Call of machine language programs are prohibited
- the 10 lines of the programm can not contain self-written machine code
- POKEing is allowed
 - Deadline: Saturday 04/11 at 9 pm (Central European Summer Time) (Remote posts: Wednesday 04/08, 9 pm)
 - Voting: Saturday 04/11 at 11.30 pm, then awarding
 - Together with the program a text file should be submitted with the program description and instructions
 - The programmers agree to the publication of the programs, the description and the instructions by the organizer
 - Only physically Attendants may vote
 - Remote contributions, however, are permitted provided they are received by Wednesday, 04/08 at 9 pm at GKANOLD-ät-GMAIL dot COM
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Re: BASIC Tenliners Contest 2015
« Reply #1 on: 20:06, 27 January 15 »
Damn this should be interesting!

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Re: BASIC Tenliners Contest 2015
« Reply #2 on: 20:42, 27 January 15 »
There are some videos at yt of last year's entries. Search on "Tenliners". Also take a look at AtariAge for last year's entries (Sorry, only Atari Downloads, probably worth a look with an emulator?!)

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Re: BASIC Tenliners Contest 2015
« Reply #3 on: 20:53, 27 January 15 »
Can you clarify the rules regarding machine code? I am not allowed to CALL any, even though POKE'ing is allowed? So converting a machine code program to BASIC DATA statements is forbidden?
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Re: BASIC Tenliners Contest 2015
« Reply #4 on: 21:59, 27 January 15 »
Please no machine code. We want to show the power of BASIC on different 8 bit platforms. And I think Locomotive Basic is probably the most powerful of all.  :)

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Re: BASIC Tenliners Contest 2015
« Reply #5 on: 22:07, 27 January 15 »
- Call of machine language programs are prohibited
- POKEing is allowed


Sorry, but this example and other rules show me a clear bias to the C64 systems. I can't call no frame, but I can use pokes because the c64 can't change color otherwise.

If you guys want to make a fair contest, then overwork the rules.
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Re: BASIC Tenliners Contest 2015
« Reply #6 on: 22:35, 27 January 15 »
Commodore BASIC V2 is a very weak BASIC dialect and Locomotive BASIC a very strong one. Very difficult to proclaim a contest that is equal fair to all platforms. But hey, it's just for the fun. Please don't take it too serious.

And: we are on the same side, I'm not a c64 guy, I am an atari maniac  ;)

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Re: BASIC Tenliners Contest 2015
« Reply #7 on: 23:10, 27 January 15 »
Atari is nice.  :)  But calls really should be ok. Because that can be used in all basics equally.  :)

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Re: BASIC Tenliners Contest 2015
« Reply #8 on: 23:27, 27 January 15 »
I don't know exactly what you mean.  For example FILL and PLOT are subroutines in the ROM (in the Atari). And you call these subroutines with the keyword FILL (in Turbo BASIC) and PLOT (in Atari BASIC and Turbo BASIC). Of course this is allowed. But writing machine code, poke it in the memory and then call it (with X=USR() in Atari BASIC) is not allowed.
If you want to call a ROM subroutine with the command CALL, I think it's allowed, but writing machine code and CALL it, is not allowed. I'm not sure I got your point...

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Re: BASIC Tenliners Contest 2015
« Reply #9 on: 00:44, 28 January 15 »
Yeah, CALL is like SYS... IIRC. It's not about poking MC code. Which would make an own kind of competition.
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Re: BASIC Tenliners Contest 2015
« Reply #10 on: 09:47, 28 January 15 »
Please no machine code. We want to show the power of BASIC on different 8 bit platforms. And I think Locomotive Basic is probably the most powerful of all.  :)


Does that include the use of Control Codes?


Some ROM subroutine (the Firmware) requires Machine Code to work (Loading of Registers), which presents the problem of not being able to write M/C Subroutine.
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Re: BASIC Tenliners Contest 2015
« Reply #11 on: 11:27, 28 January 15 »
Let me say in other words:

- the 10 lines of the programm can not contain self-written machine code

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Re: BASIC Tenliners Contest 2015
« Reply #12 on: 11:49, 28 January 15 »
Maybe we need another category (next year ;D ): category "WILD": all is allowed?

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Re: BASIC Tenliners Contest 2015
« Reply #13 on: 12:02, 28 January 15 »
Let me say in other words:

- the 10 lines of the programm can not contain self-written machine code


ok. The control code situation I was referring to is slightly different to M/C where someone can Incorporate a Command from within a PRINT quote, sometimes followed by a number if the command needs one. Normally this is done via chr$(), but can be condensed into a control code and inserted into PRINT quoted statement, handy for things like PEN for PRINTing Multicoloured Text from a single PRINT statement.
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Re: BASIC Tenliners Contest 2015
« Reply #14 on: 19:50, 28 January 15 »
I dont see why there should be any issue printing control codes, they are after all standard ASCII just like all the normal characters 32+.

So with the clarification, I assume it would be acceptable to CALL &BB18 to save bytes for a "press any key" routine?

I hope to be able to give this contest a go. If I do, it will be a remote entry though.
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Re: BASIC Tenliners Contest 2015
« Reply #15 on: 22:49, 28 January 15 »

ok. The control code situation I was referring to is slightly different to M/C where someone can Incorporate a Command from within a PRINT quote, sometimes followed by a number if the command needs one. Normally this is done via chr$(), but can be condensed into a control code and inserted into PRINT quoted statement, handy for things like PEN for PRINTing Multicoloured Text from a single PRINT statement.

Sounds ok.

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Re: BASIC Tenliners Contest 2015
« Reply #16 on: 22:57, 28 January 15 »


So with the clarification, I assume it would be acceptable to CALL &BB18 to save bytes for a "press any key" routine?



Yes, that's ok.

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Re: BASIC Tenliners Contest 2015
« Reply #17 on: 18:44, 29 January 15 »
That was my idea too. So we are all on the same page now.[nb]Frog protection![/nb]  :) :) :)
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Re: BASIC Tenliners Contest 2015
« Reply #18 on: 11:24, 30 January 15 »
Thanks for clearing it.  :)

I've prepared a website with the rules and the newest entries. Too difficult to keep multiple 8 bit forums up to date...

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Re: BASIC Tenliners Contest 2015
« Reply #19 on: 01:56, 01 February 15 »
I don't understand the first rule "No reloading of data or program parts". Can you clarify this please?
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Re: BASIC Tenliners Contest 2015
« Reply #20 on: 13:38, 01 February 15 »
You are not allowed to store data on disk (or ramdisk) or tape and load it.

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Re: BASIC Tenliners Contest 2015
« Reply #21 on: 20:21, 01 February 15 »
Sounds like a neat competition, and not bypassing the point with people embedded a small MC loader and loads of DATA statements! (although this was a favourite in the CPC magazines, I think I even saw one using some form of base32/64 instead of the usual hex).


Making use of the firmware, via calls, pokes or otherwise is fine of course. As is any character you can enter on the keyboard.

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Re: BASIC Tenliners Contest 2015
« Reply #22 on: 21:58, 01 February 15 »
20 entries so far:

 Beitrag/Entry #1: Chase
Platform: Atari
Author: Holger "Rockford" Bommer
Language: Turbo BASIC XL
Category: PUR

Beitrag/Entry #2: Micronoid
Platform: Amstrad/Schneider CPC
Author: Markus "Devilmarkus" Hohmann
Language: Locomotive BASIC
Category: EXTREM

Beitrag/Entry #3: Get!
Platform: Atari
Author: Chris "atariland2600" Read
Language: Turbo BASIC XL
Category: PUR
 
Beitrag/Entry #4: K1nderc0mp
Platform: Atari
Author: Chris "atariland2600" Read
Language: Turbo BASIC XL
Category: PUR

Beitrag/Entry #5: Mini-Breakout
Platform: Atari
Author: Adrian Groves
Language: Atari BASIC
Category: PUR

Beitrag/Entry #6: Hearts & Bullets
Platform: Commodore 64
Author: Vincent "Bytebreaker" Truppe
Language: Commodore BASIC V2
Category: PUR

Beitrag/Entry #7: Hangman
Platform: Atari
Author: Adrian Groves
Language: Atari BASIC
Category: PUR

Beitrag/Entry #8: Navigator
Platform: Commodore 64
Author: "e5frog"
Language: Commodore BASIC V2
Category: PUR

Beitrag/Entry #9: Racer
Platform: Commodore 64
Author: Georg "Endurion" Rottensteiner
Language: Commodore BASIC V2
Category: PUR

Beitrag/Entry #10: Bad Square Swarm
Platform: Commodore 64
Author: "Hexworx"
Language: Commodore BASIC V2
Category: PUR

Beitrag/Entry #11: Simon
Platform: Atari
Author: Adrian Groves
Language: Atari BASIC
Category: PUR

Beitrag/Entry #12: Flappy Dot
Platform: Commodore 128
Author: M. "Plus4_fan" Quante
Language: Commodore BASIC 7.0
Category: PUR

Beitrag/Entry #13: Bounce
Platform: Amstrad/Schneider CPC
Author: "EgoTrip"
Language: Locomotive BASIC
Category: EXTREM

Beitrag/Entry #14: Stay Alive
Platform: Commodore 64
Author: "The Joker"
Language: Commodore BASIC V2
Category: PUR

Beitrag/Entry #15: F*ck-Man
Platform: Atari
Author: Gunnar "Bunsen" Kanold
Language Turbo Basic XL
Category: PUR

Beitrag/Entry #16: Pear Picker on Ice
 Platform: Commodore 64
 Author: Davide "Naufr4g0" Fichera
 Language: Commodore BASIC V2
 Category: PUR

Beitrag/Entry #17: Broad's Revenge
Platform: Atari
Author: Frantisek "Fandal" Houra
and Christian "Irgendwer" Krüger
Language: Turbo BASIC XL
Category: EXTREM

Beitrag/Entry #18: can-MaP
Platform: Commodore 64
Author: Fredric QJ "e5frog" Blåholtz
Language: Commodore BASIC V2
Category: EXTREM

Beitrag/Entry #19: Magic Cards
Platform: Atari
Author: Abel "ascrsoft" Carrasco
Language: Turbo BASIC XL
Category: PUR

Beitrag/Entry #20: Apple Max
Platform: Atari
Author: Cliff Hatch
Language: Turbo BASIC XL
Category: PUR
 
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Re: BASIC Tenliners Contest 2015
« Reply #23 on: 19:29, 08 February 15 »
Just had a play with Micronoid, well impressed :)

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Re: BASIC Tenliners Contest 2015
« Reply #24 on: 21:35, 08 February 15 »
I wonder if anybody else work on a contribution. There are already some C64 and Atari entries...