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Title: CPC 464 potential?
Post by: manossg on 20:22, 21 July 20
Hello, CPC wizards!


I have regretfully sold my Amstrad CPC 464 and 6128 bitd, to get an Amiga 500 and now I want to have some true Amstrad experience again, even though WinApe is very nice.


(If I can solve the space issue) I am considering the possibility of buying a 464. But, considering this is 2020, i don't want to mess with old cassette tapes. Does a gotek or a gotek-like thingamajig exist for the 464?


Also, I want the chance to enjoy some 6128 goodness as well. Is there a way to have compatibility with this nice machine as well?


Cheers!
Title: Re: CPC 464 potential?
Post by: VintageAdvantage on 20:34, 21 July 20
For the 464, I'd recommend getting a standard Gotek drive and a DDI-1 controller. They show up on Ebay, but are rare. It is straight-forward to hook up the Gotek to the DDI-1 (that controller will also drive any other standard drive, e.g., 3", 3.5", 5.25", so it is the best solution still).

https://www.ebay.com/itm/INTERFACE-pour-LECTEUR-EXTERNE-DDI-1-1989-Teste-AMSTRAD-CPC-464/303628821823?hash=item46b1b0253f:g:PRwAAOSwjrpfFcKY (https://www.ebay.com/itm/INTERFACE-pour-LECTEUR-EXTERNE-DDI-1-1989-Teste-AMSTRAD-CPC-464/303628821823?hash=item46b1b0253f:g:PRwAAOSwjrpfFcKY)

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Amiga-Atari-ST-Amstrad-CPC-GOTEK-FLASH-FLOPPY-OLed-DISPLAY-Buzzer-8gb-USB/142722244180?hash=item213ae89e54:g:-5UAAOSwouparT2i (https://www.ebay.com/itm/Amiga-Atari-ST-Amstrad-CPC-GOTEK-FLASH-FLOPPY-OLed-DISPLAY-Buzzer-8gb-USB/142722244180?hash=item213ae89e54:g:-5UAAOSwouparT2i)

You can also consider buying a DDI3 or DDI5.

For the 6128, there are internal-Gotek solutions as well.

There are other SDcard-based mass storage solutions available, but these usually lack a true floppy controller chip and hence have their problems.
Title: Re: CPC 464 potential?
Post by: tjohnson on 20:47, 21 July 20
Unless you really want the look of a 464 a 6128 will be more practical and you can add an hxc drive to it fairly easily.  The 464 doesn't have a disk controller so you would need one and then you have memory limitations to overcome to use all software.  I suppose you could use an m4 but an hxc is an easy solution for loading all softwares.
Title: Re: CPC 464 potential?
Post by: manossg on 21:23, 21 July 20
Ok, I understand that I need to jump through some hoops, if I want to overcome the storage and memory issues. A 6128 seems like a better solution, even though I prefer the more amstrad-ish look of the 464. <3

Thanks, guys, you rock!
Title: Re: CPC 464 potential?
Post by: VintageAdvantage on 23:41, 21 July 20
... well, 464 and memory expansions. Not really required for 99% of - everything.
If you get a DDI5, it will have 512 KBs. There is also an option for the DDI3.
Depends on what you wanna do with the CPC.
Title: Re: CPC 464 potential?
Post by: manossg on 23:45, 21 July 20
Quote from: VintageAdvantage on 23:41, 21 July 20
... well, 464 and memory expansions. Not really required for 99% of - everything.
If you get a DDI5, it will have 512 KBs. There is also an option for the DDI3.
Depends on what you wanna do with the CPC.


For now, I would just like to bask in pure CPC glory (and also play some Oh mummy, Pinball Dreams, Sergoth and Ninja Carnage  8)  ).
Title: Re: CPC 464 potential?
Post by: VintageAdvantage on 23:46, 21 July 20
Pinball Dreams needs 128 KBs AFAIK.
Title: Re: CPC 464 potential?
Post by: manossg on 06:59, 22 July 20
Quote from: VintageAdvantage on 23:46, 21 July 20
Pinball Dreams needs 128 KBs AFAIK.


Sergoth as well. That's why I'm asking.
Title: Re: CPC 464 potential?
Post by: TotO on 07:33, 22 July 20
Quote from: manossg on 20:22, 21 July 20
(If I can solve the space issue) I am considering the possibility of buying a 464.
If you want to solve the space issue, a 6128 is smallest and can run most of the programs without any expansion attached to it.
Title: Re: CPC 464 potential?
Post by: manossg on 07:40, 22 July 20
Quote from: TotO on 07:33, 22 July 20
If you want to solve the space issue, a 6128 is smallest and can run most of the programs without any expansion attached to it.


At the current state of affairs, everything bigger than a Raspberry Pi is out of the question. :P


But you are right, I imagine the expansions will make the 464 even bulkier (if that's even possible).
Title: Re: CPC 464 potential?
Post by: TotO on 08:04, 22 July 20
Quote from: manossg on 07:40, 22 July 20
At the current state of affairs, everything bigger than a Raspberry Pi is out of the question. :P
In this case, you may run SugarBox bare-metal on a Pi3 config! ;) 
Title: Re: CPC 464 potential?
Post by: manossg on 09:07, 22 July 20
Quote from: TotO on 08:04, 22 July 20
In this case, you may run SugarBox bare-metal on a Pi3 config! ;)


Cool, I didn't know about this one!
Title: Re: CPC 464 potential?
Post by: GUNHED on 09:27, 22 July 20
Quote from: manossg on 20:22, 21 July 20
I have regretfully sold my Amstrad CPC 464 and 6128 bitd, to get an Amiga 500 and now I want to have some true Amstrad experience again...

The three step program will help:
1. Get rid of Amiga and other crap
2. Get a 6128 with color screen
3. Get the M4 card or the SF3 card. And get the LS3 card.

Result: You'll have a great and reliably working system. You will be lucky!  :) :) :)
Title: Re: CPC 464 potential?
Post by: manossg on 09:34, 22 July 20
Quote from: GUNHED on 09:27, 22 July 20
The three step program will help:
1. Get rid of Amiga and other crap

My beloved miggy stays where it is! >:(
Quote from: GUNHED on 09:27, 22 July 202. Get a 6128 with color screen
3. Get the M4 card or the SF3 card. And get the LS3 card.

Result: You'll have a great and reliably working system. You will be lucky!  :) :) :)


Yes, I think the 6128 seems like the best solution. Especially with the color screen (I used to have only green screen for both my CPCs and my eyes became like  :o  ).


I don't know about these cards. Would have to research them...


Thanks for the answer!
Title: Re: CPC 464 potential?
Post by: GUNHED on 09:35, 22 July 20
You'll find anything about them here.
Title: Re: CPC 464 potential?
Post by: tjohnson on 11:29, 22 July 20
I know the M4 card I have one and it's useful although I find the hxc/gotek the most useful. What are the other two cards mentioned?
Title: Re: CPC 464 potential?
Post by: VintageAdvantage on 15:51, 22 July 20
Yeah, the 6128 to the 464 is like the Commodore 128 to the Breadbin.
The 464 is the original and the most iconic. Period. If you are a collector, you will value what came first and defined the platform. It is good to have both the 464 and 6128. But the 464 is the DNA of the CPC series.Personally, I prefer even the 664 to the 6128, because the latter has a terrible wobbely keyboard. Get a tall-key 464! The best keyboard you can find on the CPCs (even better than Plus CPC).
Title: Re: CPC 464 potential?
Post by: VintageAdvantage on 15:56, 22 July 20
Heard of Raspberry PI, but not of Sugar Box. What is it?
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