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Started by Strike4711, 01:02, 21 October 23

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SerErris

Why do you use the RGBtoHDMI if you have a 15khz Monitor? Does it only has HDMI Inputs? (that would be very strange).
Proud owner of 2 Schneider CPC 464, 1 Schneider CPC 6128, GT65 and lots of books
Still learning all the details on how things work.

dodogildo

Why? To get crystal clear perfect picture on this beautiful LCD panel :)
(It has DVI and VGA ports. I'm connecting via mini-hdmi2dvi cable.)
M'enfin!

SerErris

Use a cable from analog to VGA. If the screen is 15Khz you do not need anything else and it just should work. The RGB2HDMI is only required so that you can use 

1. Screens that do not support analog RGB input
2. Screens that do not support 15Khz signals.

If you have both, why even bother to use RGB2HDMI. There is simply no need for it.
Proud owner of 2 Schneider CPC 464, 1 Schneider CPC 6128, GT65 and lots of books
Still learning all the details on how things work.

dodogildo

#28
That would be great. I will definitely test it.
EDIT: I found this, seems cool: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/265725280192
M'enfin!

SerErris

Proud owner of 2 Schneider CPC 464, 1 Schneider CPC 6128, GT65 and lots of books
Still learning all the details on how things work.

eto

Quote from: dodogildo on 13:43, 01 December 23EDIT: I found this, seems cool: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/265725280192
Costs per piece are less than £2, probably 10 minutes of labour per piece. That's a great margin. 

SerErris

And much easier to solder than any cable
Proud owner of 2 Schneider CPC 464, 1 Schneider CPC 6128, GT65 and lots of books
Still learning all the details on how things work.

eto

I can't find the 6 pin plug anywhere. I find 8 pin plugs which would fit the Plus, but not the 6 pins ones for the CPC. 

dodogildo

Quote from: SerErris on 23:24, 01 December 23And much easier to solder than any cable
Does anyone have any instructions on which pin to solder to which pin? (for RGB to VGA or  to DVI)?

For Scart it's well documented: 
TV SCART cable - CPCWiki
M'enfin!

robcfg

According to this, it shouldn't even be that difficult:

Pin 13 can be either HSync or Composite Sync (which is what we have on the CPC), so connecting the sync signal to pin 13 should work.

That's what I've found. I don't know if it works, and try it at your own risk. But, looking at the ebay adapter and seeing that it doesn't have anything apparently to split the composite sync into hsync and vsync, I think this is the best bet.

SerErris

#35
Quote from: eto on 00:22, 02 December 23I can't find the 6 pin plug anywhere. I find 8 pin plugs which would fit the Plus, but not the 6 pins ones for the CPC.
no sure where you live.

here are some on Amazon (enough to learn to solder those).
https://www.amazon.de/RUNCCI-YUN-Verbinder%EF%BC%8CDIN-Kabelanschluss-Lautsprecher-Stecker%EF%BC%88schwarzem/dp/B08SK1L83S/ref=sr_1_3?keywords=din+stecker+6+polig&qid=1701515688&sr=8-3

Ah I see, you live in Germany:

So here we go:
https://www.ebay.de/itm/224597280683?chn=ps&_trkparms=ispr%3D1&amdata=enc%3A1H7Z6Gvg7QPSE4Ygzp1QCNQ54&norover=1&mkevt=1&mkrid=707-134425-41852-0&mkcid=2&mkscid=101&itemid=224597280683&targetid=1716911581919&device=c&mktype=pla&googleloc=9044389&poi=&campaignid=17943303986&mkgroupid=140642150118&rlsatarget=aud-1158329636859:pla-1716911581919&abcId=9301060&merchantid=111240381&gclid=Cj0KCQiAyKurBhD5ARIsALamXaFghzXtFvXW9PZGMY0zxBj6rtmQmP0hEH0Ei6WOIn_bUBD_6tYflBMaArCTEALw_wcB

https://www.ebay.de/itm/224597280683?chn=ps&_trkparms=ispr%3D1&amdata=enc%3A1H7Z6Gvg7QPSE4Ygzp1QCNQ54&norover=1&mkevt=1&mkrid=707-134425-41852-0&mkcid=2&mkscid=101&itemid=224597280683&targetid=1716911581919&device=c&mktype=pla&googleloc=9044389&poi=&campaignid=17943303986&mkgroupid=140642150118&rlsatarget=aud-1158329636859:pla-1716911581919&abcId=9301060&merchantid=111240381&gclid=Cj0KCQiAyKurBhD5ARIsALamXaFghzXtFvXW9PZGMY0zxBj6rtmQmP0hEH0Ei6WOIn_bUBD_6tYflBMaArCTEALw_wcB

https://www.reichelt.de/din-stecker-6-polig-mas-60-p11200.html?PROVID=2788&gclid=Cj0KCQiAyKurBhD5ARIsALamXaESg9A8iQchl7V3jqpRINb6uV5T3XtW-7soVPALK9gJHekWm8oFAkoaAkI3EALw_wcB

https://www.adapterwelt.net/p/din-stecker-diodenstecker-6-polig

Proud owner of 2 Schneider CPC 464, 1 Schneider CPC 6128, GT65 and lots of books
Still learning all the details on how things work.

eto

Quote from: SerErris on 12:15, 02 December 23here are some on Amazon (enough to learn to solder those).
Those are normal plugs to create cables, I have a lo of them here. But those are not the ones you can solder on a PCB. See attached a comparison of a 8 pin connector cable vs. PCB.


eto

Quote from: robcfg on 11:47, 02 December 23That's what I've found. I don't know if it works, and try it at your own risk. But, looking at the ebay adapter and seeing that it doesn't have anything apparently to split the composite sync into hsync and vsync, I think this is the best bet.
yes, the PCB will be easy to make. You probably can get >50 PCBs (panelized), maybe even 100 from JLCPCB for about €6 incl. shipping. The VGA connectors are also easy to get. Just the 6pin DIN connector with option to put on a PCB seems not so easy to source. But let's see, if maybe someone finds them...


eto

I recently made an adapter for the Atari ST. It's bigger and more complicated with more elements and it's still just a few € in total.

robcfg

Quote from: eto on 12:37, 02 December 23
Quote from: SerErris on 12:15, 02 December 23here are some on Amazon (enough to learn to solder those).
Those are normal plugs to create cables, I have a lo of them here. But those are not the ones you can solder on a PCB. See attached a comparison of a 8 pin connector cable vs. PCB.


Wouldn't they be basically the same but just needing to remove the tension reliever bit?

eto

Quote from: robcfg on 12:50, 02 December 23Wouldn't they be basically the same but just needing to remove the tension reliever bit?
Footprint is identical but the metal shield would be missing. At least for stability I would prefer the real PCB version. 

dodogildo

Quote from: robcfg on 11:47, 02 December 23Pin 13 can be either HSync or Composite Sync (which is what we have on the CPC), so connecting the sync signal to pin 13 should work.
Yes, it seems on CPC there's only 1 syc (composite) and it should most probably go straight to Pin 13 on VGA.
Thank you. I'll try this.
M'enfin!

SerErris

Ah, now I do understand.

Here is another Schematic:
https://cpcwiki.de/forum/index.php?topic=735.0


What is the name of this pcb solderable version? I cannot even find the 8 pin  (not that it helps).
Proud owner of 2 Schneider CPC 464, 1 Schneider CPC 6128, GT65 and lots of books
Still learning all the details on how things work.

eto

Quote from: SerErris on 13:16, 02 December 23What is the name of this pcb solderable version? I cannot even find the 8 pin  (not that it helps).

Probably not the real name but that's how they are describes on AliExpress:

"DIN Male Plug Header Solder PCB Vertical Circular Push-Pull Power Connector Machined Contacts"
https://de.aliexpress.com/item/1005002071264550.html

It's the only source I found both for the Amstrad Plus connector and the Atari ST connector. 

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