SYMBiFACE III vs PicoCPC (for some reason)

[Egg Master]

You are probably speaking about the SYMBiFACE II

I like the SF3 as well, but I know what you mean about the ARM-stuff, were the software is replacing the "real" hardware.

YES !

I really prefer "real" hardware. I think it's a shame that we only have these kinds of "ARM" expansions today. Compared to "real" software, it's like having a SymbOS competitor running a Windows OS internally and rendering frames to display on the CPC, and people will applaud the feat by saying it's better... This "retro" future doesn't make me dream.

[FreddyV]

Hi,

Use of microcontroller has been done since so many time.

On PC, The Sound Blaster DSP is a Microcontroller and it was done in the 80's
The difference here is that ARM are faster and cheaper, and can then start to emulate things.

Then, where do we place the limit between what is a "Real" Hardware or not ?

I Started the PicoMEM project after like a Year of reflection.
After the Mod Master XT player, I wanted to do something else with those idea in mind:
- Go back to hardware
- Develop with more modern tools (GitHUB/CPP)
- Learn about emulation
- Do something usefull for the PC Community.

Then, I saw that C64, Atari ST, TI99, I mean almost all the 8Bit micros has access to MicroSD/USB devices...
To update a PC, we had only expensive RAM boards and XTIDE (A 20 Year old technology) relying on dying Compact Flash and expensive....

Bingo, the PicoMEM has all those criterias in one.
I mean it was more than time to have the PC entering in a more modern Area and not have only the Old XTIDE...

It started as a personnal challenge and the result was lot of ppls liking it, lot of message of person telling me that the PicoMEM did finally revice their PC.
At the end, it make the difference between somebody no more using his old PC, or somebody who can enjoy it again.

[dodogildo]

At the end, it make the difference between somebody no more using his old PC, or somebody who can enjoy it again.

Yep. And this is definitely not the case with CPC 

Now you see why the news of a PicoCPC is not receiving much cheers from the community...

[St-BeidE(DE/GB)]

Maybe I also misunderstand the thread, because I'm not a nativ speaker. 
Well, the headline of the thread 
SYMBiFACE III vs PicoCPC (for some reason)
allready suggested me a more 'offensive' content.

Anyway. I'm happy to see ANY new development for the CPC line. However,  there is no need to compare it against other hardware allready existing.

It will probably make fun to build the PicoCPC and I'm happy about it.

Stefan 

[Pollo]

Maybe I also misunderstand the thread, because I'm not a nativ speaker.
Well, the headline of the thread
SYMBiFACE III vs PicoCPC (for some reason)
allready suggested me a more 'offensive' content.

+1. I don't like that this title is connected with my post. It's not mine.
My post was part of another thread initially.

[GUNHED]

You are probably speaking about the SYMBiFACE II

I like the SF3 as well, but I know what you mean about the ARM-stuff, were the software is replacing the "real" hardware.

YES !

I really prefer "real" hardware. I think it's a shame that we only have these kinds of "ARM" expansions today. Compared to "real" software, it's like having a SymbOS competitor running a Windows OS internally and rendering frames to display on the CPC, and people will applaud the feat by saying it's better... This "retro" future doesn't make me dream.

That's exactly what I saw on the recent meetings. SymbOS can now run on the InsaneOS and this in turn works on Raspberry and PC. Well, I'm not so familiar with all that, but Insane explained that to me recently. Quit an interesting thing in a way. And for sure a nice usage of some PCs. 

[GUNHED]

Maybe I also misunderstand the thread, because I'm not a nativ speaker.
Well, the headline of the thread
SYMBiFACE III vs PicoCPC (for some reason)
allready suggested me a more 'offensive' content.

Anyway. I'm happy to see ANY new development for the CPC line. However,  there is no need to compare it against other hardware allready existing.

It will probably make fun to build the PicoCPC and I'm happy about it.

Stefan

Totally agreed! Sometime some "friendly competition" is helpful, but there's a thin border to discourage developers too. 

[St-BeidE(DE/GB)]

Maybe I also misunderstand the thread, because I'm not a nativ speaker.
Well, the headline of the thread
SYMBiFACE III vs PicoCPC (for some reason)
allready suggested me a more 'offensive' content.

Anyway. I'm happy to see ANY new development for the CPC line. However,  there is no need to compare it against other hardware allready existing.

It will probably make fun to build the PicoCPC and I'm happy about it.

Stefan

Totally agreed! Sometime some "friendly competition" is helpful, but there's a thin border to discourage developers too.

Yes, but as @Pollo already said, it was more  unfortunate circumstances. This thread was part of another one. Pollo did not choose the threads name.

Stefan 

[dodogildo]

So why not changing the thread's title for a friendlier one? 

[Prodatron]

I really prefer "real" hardware. I think it's a shame that we only have these kinds of "ARM" expansions today.

The M4Board is existing since around 10 years now and everyone loves it since 10 years. IIRC it is the first software-driven hardware of its kind for the CPC. Maybe you forgot about this fact and its potential for the future. As I said before I prefer stuff like the SF2 more as well ("real hardware"), but if you can provide "standard interfaces" (only these, not more) in a cheap way for the CPC with modern software-driven hardware, which are not replacing the CPU itself, it's quite ok for me...

That's exactly what I saw on the recent meetings. SymbOS can now run on the InsaneOS and this in turn works on Raspberry and PC.

Yes, that's great, I love it, and I'm sure you'll agree And at the same time, it still runs on a bare CPC from 1985 (which others can't do without an extension), cool, right? What I don't understand, though, is that this other SymbOS platform has nothing to do with the PicoCPC or SF3 or any ARM-based CPC expansion etc., so it's weird to mention it here (but thanks for the mention anyway  ).

[Egg Master]

You quote the half of my sentence, that change its meaning. Anyway, you will see by yourselves in the future.

[Prodatron]

@Egg Master , ops, I am sorry.  TBH I don't like this discussion, in general I like all new hardware and don't want to rate the work of the developers.

[GUNHED]

I really prefer "real" hardware. I think it's a shame that we only have these kinds of "ARM" expansions today.

The M4Board is existing since around 10 years now and everyone loves it since 10 years. IIRC it is the first software-driven hardware of its kind for the CPC. Maybe you forgot about this fact and its potential for the future. As I said before I prefer stuff like the SF2 more as well ("real hardware"), but if you can provide "standard interfaces" (only these, not more) in a cheap way for the CPC with modern software-driven hardware, which are not replacing the CPU itself, it's quite ok for me...

That's exactly what I saw on the recent meetings. SymbOS can now run on the InsaneOS and this in turn works on Raspberry and PC.

Yes, that's great, I love it, and I'm sure you'll agree And at the same time, it still runs on a bare CPC from 1985 (which others can't do without an extension), cool, right? What I don't understand, though, is that this other SymbOS platform has nothing to do with the PicoCPC or SF3 or any ARM-based CPC expansion etc., so it's weird to mention it here (but thanks for the mention anyway  ).

Yes, you did an awesome job! And Insane too! 

[GUNHED]

@Egg Master , ops, I am sorry.  TBH I don't like this discussion, in general I like all new hardware and don't want to rate the work of the developers.

Well, thanks god that's only true for hardware. Phew! Would be so boring if you would stop giving comments on other peoples software too. 

[Prodatron]

@Egg Master , ops, I am sorry.  TBH I don't like this discussion, in general I like all new hardware and don't want to rate the work of the developers.

Well, thanks god that's only true for hardware. Phew! Would be so boring if you would stop giving comments on other peoples software too. 

Haha no way

[Pollo]

All that discussion is a bit silly anyway. The RSF3 salesman went out of control for no particular reason.

I mean the RSF3 is by far the top card for the CPC. And realistically, I think that the PicoCPC won't be as good. So those who want the best for their CPC will continue buying the RSF3 anyway.

However, the one that should be worried is the M4 Board

[GUNHED]

But... there is no "RSF3 salesman" posting in this thread!