Play2CPC (Plus2CPC II) : Extra sound channels and rewritable cartridges

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zhulien

Please add me down for 1 centronics version and 1 edge connector version. Thanks

abalore

Quote from: zhulien on 01:10, 05 June 22Please add me down for 1 centronics version and 1 edge connector version. Thanks

The Play2CPC is only edge version, and then there is a centronics-to-edge adapter.

https://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/amstrad-cpc-hardware/compact-centronics-to-edge-adapter/

Please send me PM for details

rickyordi

Quote from: abalore on 21:43, 27 May 22
Quote from: Maniac on 21:23, 27 May 22Did the solution of how to mix the extra audio in to the monitor speakers of the Plus models ever get sorted please?

That's not doable without additional elements, because you can't route anything to the audio output connector of the Plus from the expansion port. The same happens with the CPC, you can mix into the internal speaker with precise knowledge of the CPC schematics, but not into the audio jack.
So we made it in this way:
- You can hear the mix into the CPC speaker (or disable the mix with a switch)
- You always have the external sound in stereo in the Play2CPC connector
- You always have the internal sound in stereo in the CPC or Plus connector
so at the end you have the full mix in Mono or all independent channels in two jacks.
In my home arrangement I have two pairs of small external speakers, because I like to control individually the volume for music and sfx, but you can use an audio mixer too.
Quote from: abalore on 21:43, 27 May 22
Quote from: Maniac on 21:23, 27 May 22Did the solution of how to mix the extra audio in to the monitor speakers of the Plus models ever get sorted please?

That's not doable without additional elements, because you can't route anything to the audio output connector of the Plus from the expansion port. The same happens with the CPC, you can mix into the internal speaker with precise knowledge of the CPC schematics, but not into the audio jack.
So we made it in this way:
- You can hear the mix into the CPC speaker (or disable the mix with a switch)
- You always have the external sound in stereo in the Play2CPC connector
- You always have the internal sound in stereo in the CPC or Plus connector
so at the end you have the full mix in Mono or all independent channels in two jacks.
In my home arrangement I have two pairs of small external speakers, because I like to control individually the volume for music and sfx, but you can use an audio mixer too.
Here is simply the solution to enjoy six audio channels on the same pair of stereo speakers:


Cwiiis

Quote from: rickyordi on 00:47, 06 June 22
Quote from: abalore on 21:43, 27 May 22
Quote from: Maniac on 21:23, 27 May 22Did the solution of how to mix the extra audio in to the monitor speakers of the Plus models ever get sorted please?

That's not doable without additional elements, because you can't route anything to the audio output connector of the Plus from the expansion port. The same happens with the CPC, you can mix into the internal speaker with precise knowledge of the CPC schematics, but not into the audio jack.
So we made it in this way:
- You can hear the mix into the CPC speaker (or disable the mix with a switch)
- You always have the external sound in stereo in the Play2CPC connector
- You always have the internal sound in stereo in the CPC or Plus connector
so at the end you have the full mix in Mono or all independent channels in two jacks.
In my home arrangement I have two pairs of small external speakers, because I like to control individually the volume for music and sfx, but you can use an audio mixer too.
Quote from: abalore on 21:43, 27 May 22
Quote from: Maniac on 21:23, 27 May 22Did the solution of how to mix the extra audio in to the monitor speakers of the Plus models ever get sorted please?

That's not doable without additional elements, because you can't route anything to the audio output connector of the Plus from the expansion port. The same happens with the CPC, you can mix into the internal speaker with precise knowledge of the CPC schematics, but not into the audio jack.
So we made it in this way:
- You can hear the mix into the CPC speaker (or disable the mix with a switch)
- You always have the external sound in stereo in the Play2CPC connector
- You always have the internal sound in stereo in the CPC or Plus connector
so at the end you have the full mix in Mono or all independent channels in two jacks.
In my home arrangement I have two pairs of small external speakers, because I like to control individually the volume for music and sfx, but you can use an audio mixer too.
Here is simply the solution to enjoy six audio channels on the same pair of stereo speakers:



This is unlikely to work satisfactorily and could even be dangerous by connecting grounds that would otherwise be separate (ask someone that knows more about what they're talking about with that last bit :))

rickyordi

As these are audio outputs, I don't see the problem, but you're right let's stay vigilant... :-\

RetroUnlim

looks incredible, put me down for one on the next batch please.

JayBlood

Nothing arrived here. Few weeks ago, I make payment. Some news?
Jay

TotO

We are currently assembling the Play2CPC / Alcon 2020 combo box.
Next, we will do the Play2CPC box version. Please, be patient. :)
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GUNHED

Happy Birthday Tot0!!!  :) :) :)

Enjoy your great day!!!  :) :) :)
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Axel

If I would still own a real CPC, I would buy a copy too. "Alcon" delivers real arcade-quality on a machine, that was made for Roland in time. 

And the hardware for the extra sound-channels makes the audio fatter than fat! 

JayBlood

Ok Toto. No problem, It's just for have news. Regards.;)
Jay

Matej

2x JustCPC

eto

My CPC crashes reliably when playing Alcon 2020 with the Play2CPC. Sometimes after a few minutes, sometime immediately. At least once I could see that it drew corrupt tiles to the screen just before crashing.

I have a second CPC where it works better, but also there it crashed twice (both when I lost my last life).

Any idea what could cause this? Extension port has been cleaned and otherwise has no issues with other extensions.


Update 1: on a 464 it doesn't work at all. Sometimes I get total garbage on screen but usually the screen just stays black. The 464 has a built in Vortex SP512 ram extension which might be in conflict.

abalore

Quote from: eto on 20:00, 12 July 22My CPC crashes reliably when playing Alcon 2020 with the Play2CPC. Sometimes after a few minutes, sometime immediately. At least once I could see that it drew corrupt tiles to the screen just before crashing.

I have a second CPC where it works better, but also there it crashed twice (both when I lost my last life).

Any idea what could cause this? Extension port has been cleaned and otherwise has no issues with other extensions.


Update 1: on a 464 it doesn't work at all. Sometimes I get total garbage on screen but usually the screen just stays black. The 464 has a built in Vortex SP512 ram extension which might be in conflict.

The RAM expansions shouldn't affect the Play2CPC, but maybe it's drawing too much current. Do you have other cartridges to try or the Centronics adapter to check the Play2CPC on a Plus?

Philippe Lardenois

Hi @abalore , is there one Play2CPC for me available ?
Currently, would be kindly interested in a cart+Alcon pack.

Thanks.

abalore

Quote from: Philippe Lardenois on 14:31, 16 July 22Hi @abalore , is there one Play2CPC for me available ?
Currently, would be kindly interested in a cart+Alcon pack.

Thanks.

the second batch is already closed, but I can add you to the waiting list for the third batch.

Philippe Lardenois

Ok great. Will wait for your PM. No hurry.
Thanks.
Cheers

GUNHED

This thread grows. Hard to find particular data. So I ask, could be of common interest.  :)

Is there a Play2CPC with an M4 compatible plug?  ???

In this case one could use the regular Centronics to M4 adapter cable.  8)
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abalore

Quote from: GUNHED on 17:45, 19 July 22This thread grows. Hard to find particular data. So I ask, could be of common interest.  :)

Is there a Play2CPC with an M4 compatible plug?  ???

In this case one could use the regular Centronics to M4 adapter cable.  8)
Play2CPC and M4 work perfectly together if you don't activate the cartridge emulation in the M4. You can plug a MX4 board, then the M4 on it, and the Play2CPC with a MX4-to-edge adapter

GUNHED

Well, I talked about the M4 connector - NOT the M4 expansion.  :) Else my text wouldn't make any sense.  :) Tot0's Mother MX4 plugs. Well, I forget the X letter.  :-\
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abalore

Quote from: GUNHED on 18:08, 19 July 22Well, I talked about the M4 connector - NOT the M4 expansion.  :) Else my text wouldn't make any sense.  :) Tot0's Mother MX4 plugs. Well, I forget the X letter.  :-\
Ok, there is no Play2CPC with MX4 connector, but as I said you have MX4 to edge adapters.

GUNHED

Edge connectors are dodgy and not reliable in my experience. In case the Play2CPC only has edge plugs and not MX4 then this would be a disadvantage imho. My suggestion would be to create a series with MX4 plugs (or any other non-sliding connector). I would definitely buy one then.  :) :) :)
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CraigsBar

Any news on when the standalone Play2CPC interfaces will be sent.
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TotO

The Play2CPC box version will be for September now. Because, closed factories during July/August and many peoples in vacations asking to not ship anything before. (that not mean we are doing nothing :p)
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LewisCPC

Yo @abalore! Any news on when the writable carts, and the software to write them with on the CPC natively?

Cheers. Loving Alcon and the Play2CPC :) 

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