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Re: RetroManCave loves JustCPC...
« Reply #25 on: 21:00, 18 April 21 »
Seems this thread is turning into a bit of a witchhunt. Zaxxon has an account here, so perhaps it's worth slowing down a bit unless he presents his side of the story.
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He also has 100% positive feedback both on the "Polish ebay" (allegro.pl) and also 99.9% on sellmyretro, from thousands of customers. So that's also something to consider.

There we go again... if he wanted to do that and share his source then he should do so. We would be happy. My inquiry to UTsouce has not yielded anything. Maybe the 34000 NOS GAs are sold out by now, he bought them a few years ago ;) Maybe I'll get an email from them next week, I will keep you updated.

Besides, I think we know his side of the story and if he wanted to substantiate it he has a chance to do it here  :)   

I agree with you that some of his equipment is great, and I am using it on a daily basis as well, but that has nothing to do with this thread and topic.
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Re: RetroManCave loves JustCPC...
« Reply #26 on: 21:54, 18 April 21 »
I agree with you that some of his equipment is great, and I am using it on a daily basis as well, but that has nothing to do with this thread and topic.

It does, because the thread went from the issue of harvesting parts to "he has no skills" jibes.  This thread is also 2 days young, so perhaps we should allow a bit more time for responses.

Also, while I know next to nothing about hardware repairs, I also have a feeling this might not be as clear cut as Evil Zaxon hunting poor ol' CPCs for his nefarious projects. He's well known in my neck of the woods for saving countless faulty micros (and charging very reasonable prices for it). Could be that sometimes it's more fesible to create something new than try to save the old.

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Re: RetroManCave loves JustCPC...
« Reply #27 on: 23:04, 18 April 21 »
It does, because the thread went from the issue of harvesting parts to "he has no skills" jibes.  This thread is also 2 days young, so perhaps we should allow a bit more time for responses.

Yes, I didn't say that though, and I didn't mean to steer the discussion into that direction. I'd appreciate if these derogatory comments be removed by the moderator.

I agree with some of what you said - after all, if somebody has a Gate Array from a spare real CPC, or a source that does not require dissassembling working (or repairable) CPCs, I have no issue whatsoever. Every (Just) CPC that get's into the hands of people is a win to the CPC community.

In the sense of community, I ask people to not sit on excessive stock piles of rare parts such as GAs though, because it will create a shortage of parts for folks seeking to repair their machines otherwise.

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Re: RetroManCave loves JustCPC...
« Reply #28 on: 23:10, 18 April 21 »
Wow, nice shitstorm ;)

About ULA, link where i was order 50 pieces some time ago, https://www.utsource.net/itm/p/8648279.html ,( i can show invoices for it)  Z80 too, 8255, also UT source, d765 controlers, also in stock, AY 38912 from ebay.

What the rest, I do interfaces, sell, people are happy, I really don't have to explain anything to you. Sorry.....

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Re: RetroManCave loves JustCPC...
« Reply #29 on: 23:20, 18 April 21 »
About ULA, link where i was order 50 pieces some time ago, https://www.utsource.net/itm/p/8648279.html ,( i can show invoices for it)  Z80 too, 8255, also UT source, d765 controlers, also in stock, AY 38912 from ebay.

Thanks, I found that link myself, and I am trying to get some of these... one has to do an "inquiry", and then they respond with a quote... or not  :) They claim to have a stock of 34000, at least THAT has to be bullshit  :) I hope they still have some, I am curious to see if maybe you got the last "real" ones, and everything else is sanded down / relabled "fake" chip, as @Bryce  suggested. Will see!

Nobody asks for invoices... we are asking for a real source of REAL Gate Arrays...

UPDATE: Just logged into my UTSource account, and my "Inquiry" for the

https://www.utsource.net/itm/p/8648279.html

was "answered" with an offer for

https://www.utsource.net/itm/p/10287538.html
(for ~6 USD). This is of course not what I want. So I started another inquiry, this time with the comment that I REALLY want the

https://www.utsource.net/itm/p/8648279.html

and not another "40010" chip. More soon!
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Re: RetroManCave loves JustCPC...
« Reply #30 on: 23:43, 18 April 21 »
My ULA working ok , and i was build over 30 new Amstrad using on it. ;) So blame me about "destroy" working machines is really funny for me. I not destroy, i build more ;)

Also, i really good remember, when i found it , 40010  i was  give info here, on CPC WIKI  about it.

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Re: RetroManCave loves JustCPC...
« Reply #31 on: 23:50, 18 April 21 »
My ULA working ok , and i was build over 30 new Amstrad using on it. ;) So blame me about "destroy" working machines is really funny for me. I not destroy, i build more ;)

I am very glad to hear that! Now let's hope that they still have some more 40010 for other users too... I will keep you updated.
You have to understand though that if you WERE the only one capable of aquiring real working 40010's from that source that it raised some suspicion...
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Re: RetroManCave loves JustCPC...
« Reply #32 on: 00:21, 19 April 21 »
I have been repairing computers for many years. I have years of practice and contacts in finding and acquiring "out-of-date" parts. Example. When we needed a ULA for the ZX Spectrum, Mark sat down and designed it. I assemble them, I make them, and we have them. Similarly with the processor replacement for the Commodore +4. A few days ago I bought ULA replacements for ORICA in Bulgaria. Everything can be bought. Well, some people prefer to jump on my back in the forum instead of doing your job and making some nice interface  ;D 

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Re: RetroManCave loves JustCPC...
« Reply #33 on: 00:27, 19 April 21 »
When we needed a ULA for the ZX Spectrum, Mark sat down and designed it.

Folks the redesign / reengineer ULAs / Gate Arrays have my highest admiration. We really need something along the lines of the JustSpeccy SLAM ULA for the CPC. It seems a great deal of progress has been made along the lines here:

https://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/amstrad-cpc-hardware/gate-array-decapped!/

Unfortunately, I lack the skills and knowledge to understand why this is still not available to CPC users, or what the current road blocks are that prevent it from being available. 

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Re: RetroManCave loves JustCPC...
« Reply #34 on: 23:55, 19 April 21 »
I believe what happens is, some of the 3 million Amstrad CPC's that have been have found their way to the far east for 'recycling'.
The boards are then stripped of their components and these find their way onto UTsource as used. So, it's not really the stripping of 'working' CPC's, more the rescuing of parts from scrap.
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Re: RetroManCave loves JustCPC...
« Reply #35 on: 00:13, 20 April 21 »
I believe what happens is, some of the 3 million Amstrad CPC's that have been have found their way to the far east for 'recycling'.
The boards are then stripped of their components and these find their way onto UTsource as used. So, it's not really the stripping of 'working' CPC's, more the rescuing of parts from scrap.

Yes, maybe, maybe not  :)
So far I haven't gotten a GA quote.. whenever I request a quote, they come back after 12 hours with a link to the Bosch 40010 which is of course useless.
https://www.utsource.net/itm/p/10287538.html

I then request another quote telling them that I REALLY want the

https://www.utsource.net/itm/p/8648279.html

but they either don't speak English or they don't understand, because 12 hours later they come back yet again with the BOSCH 40010.

I have played this ping pong game 3 times by now. Anybody else wanna try?

So, no luck so far  ;D
The first person than can get a real 40010 GA from UTsource (verified) gets a price from me.

I guess what happened is - Zaxon got all of the remaining GAs 5 years ago, and that was it. Now every body has to fit the BOSCH 40010 into their CPC  :laugh: You can get the BOSCH GA for ~ 7 $ though, good deal  ;)
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Re: RetroManCave loves JustCPC...
« Reply #36 on: 09:46, 20 April 21 »
I believe what happens is, some of the 3 million Amstrad CPC's that have been have found their way to the far east for 'recycling'.
The boards are then stripped of their components and these find their way onto UTsource as used. So, it's not really the stripping of 'working' CPC's, more the rescuing of parts from scrap.

So you think that random CPC's discarded from different households around the UK/EU (mainly during a time when electronics went to landfills) somehow managed to all end up at the same Chinese component recycling company?

McBryce.

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Re: RetroManCave loves JustCPC...
« Reply #37 on: 10:28, 20 April 21 »
Here's another possible 40010 source via a UK Electronics company


https://www.ellison-electronics.com/partner-search?part=amstrad&Submit1=Search#Start


.. with a couple of thousand available through their partner network according to the search.




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Re: RetroManCave loves JustCPC...
« Reply #38 on: 11:02, 20 April 21 »
.. with a couple of thousand available through their partner network according to the search.

Wow... they must be kidding... somebody try and order some please :-) Maybe they get their stuff from UTsource umm BOSCH  :D

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Re: RetroManCave loves JustCPC...
« Reply #39 on: 11:23, 20 April 21 »
While there is not a price, it is just a part listing... The quantity and availability status are fake.
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Re: RetroManCave loves JustCPC...
« Reply #40 on: 11:27, 20 April 21 »
So you think that random CPC's discarded from different households around the UK/EU (mainly during a time when electronics went to landfills) somehow managed to all end up at the same Chinese component recycling company?

McBryce.
Disgarded Electronics from Europe and the States have been exported to developing countries for decades.... I'm sure there's some specific channels that these chips go through to end up on UTsource.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-10846395
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/science/america-e-waste-gps-tracker-tells-all-earthfix
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Re: RetroManCave loves JustCPC...
« Reply #41 on: 11:49, 20 April 21 »
Disgarded Electronics from Europe and the States have been exported to developing countries for decades.... I'm sure there's some specific channels that these chips go through to end up on UTsource.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-10846395
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/science/america-e-waste-gps-tracker-tells-all-earthfix

I've been buying components from UTSource for many years. Almost everything I've bought from them was surplus stock that they had bought from manufacturing companies inside China. I'm not sure that they deal with any "real recycled" parts.


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Re: RetroManCave loves JustCPC...
« Reply #42 on: 18:20, 20 April 21 »
Well, in a last attempt I actually contacted them via email explaining in detail again and again what I want and what I do not want (the BOSCH), providing the links to what I want and what I do not want, so EVERYBODY even with minimal English understanding would be able to understand it - this morning I found an email saying that my quote was ready! Imagine my surprise when I logged into my UTsource account to look at my UTsource inquiry / quotation inbox to find.... the BOSCH 40010   :laugh: I am giving up now.

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Re: RetroManCave loves JustCPC...
« Reply #43 on: 18:46, 20 April 21 »
Well, the result is more clear and obvious than ever before now. Thanks for trying everything.
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Re: RetroManCave loves JustCPC...
« Reply #44 on: 18:48, 20 April 21 »
Well, the result is more clear and obvious than ever before now. Thanks for trying everything.     

Well, the next step would be to try @revaldinho source

https://www.ellison-electronics.com/partner-search?part=amstrad&Submit1=Search#Start

But I am a bit frustrated now, maybe somebody else with an account there can try.

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« Reply #45 on: 19:21, 20 April 21 »
Yes, let's hope for the best.  :) :) :)
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Re: RetroManCave loves JustCPC...
« Reply #46 on: 19:31, 21 April 21 »
Hmm, so i do magic... i buy working CPC on Ebay or somewhere for 100-200 GBP plus postage costs . Later i  dissasembly working computer for parts, . In next day i assembly  and sell full working Just CPC2  board for 150 GBP... Really , good buissnes for me ;) 



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Re: RetroManCave loves JustCPC...
« Reply #47 on: 21:50, 21 April 21 »
Hmm, so i do magic... i buy working CPC on Ebay or somewhere for 100-200 GBP plus postage costs . Later i  dissasembly working computer for parts, . In next day i assembly  and sell full working Just CPC2  board for 150 GBP... Really , good buissnes for me ;)
Well, I didn't say that (besides, CPC hardware business has always been a red number business for me - overall, never made a single dollar, not even close to hardware development costs by selling stuff). Just saying that your UTsource doesn't work for me. Maybe they are out of stock by now. As I suggested - let's try @revaldinho 's source, but I am out of patience for now, I tried numerous times to no avail. Maybe they don't sell to US customers  :) Who knows! At least, my impression is that the NOS 40010 GA's are not available to everyone... to put it that way.

I am sure pretty soon somebody will show up here telling us that she / he too was able to get NOS 40010's on UTsource and other channels. These thinks usually happen on the CPC Fakebook channel. It's unfortunate (for myself) that this person won't be me though it seems. I could really use a 40010 - but not from BOSCH  :'(
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Re: RetroManCave loves JustCPC...
« Reply #48 on: 22:34, 21 April 21 »
I made an inquiry at Ellison Electronics a few days ago regarding the 40010, but they've not responded at all...
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Re: RetroManCave loves JustCPC...
« Reply #49 on: 00:22, 22 April 21 »
I made an inquiry at Ellison Electronics a few days ago regarding the 40010, but they've not responded at all...

They have to reach out to Zaxon first, he has all the NOS GA's :P You gotta give them some time.  Well, at least they are not trying to screw you over by giving you some random other (BOSCH) 40010! That's a good sign actually.  ;D