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Poll
Question: Would you like a new Tecnobytes V9990 graphics card?
Option 1: Yes, I want one ASAP as part of a potential next batch. votes: 30
Option 2: Yes, but I am not in any hurry for one. votes: 6
Option 3: I wish I can have one, but it's currently too expensive. votes: 6
Option 4: Not really interested. votes: 13
Title: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: zhulien on 00:35, 06 September 21
Hi Everyone,


This thread is to track those who would like a new Tecnobytes V9990 Graphics card (MX4 version) for their Amstrad CPC.

http://www.tecnobytes.com.br/p/v9990-powergraph_10.html


Tecnobytes has stated if they get 30 orders minimum for a batch, they can do a batch.

The Price:  USD $115 + shipping

If you want more than 1 for a next batch, please post here.  I will try summarise.



Steps and Ordering Status:


[DONE] 1. ZhuLien to collect non-payment details for potential sales from this forum.


[DONE] 2. ZhuLien to provide collected non-payment details to Rogerio Belarmino (https://www.facebook.com/rogerio.belarmino/about) of Tecnobytes (https://www.facebook.com/TecnobytesCC).


[IN PROGRESS] 3. TecnoBytes (likely Rogerio Belarmino) to Invoice everyone based on the collected address information. 

4. TecnoBytes to manufacture and fulfil the orders.




This is what they look like from the previous batch:

Title: Re: Technobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: zhulien on 00:40, 06 September 21

The below users would like a new v9990 graphics card in Mother X4 configuration:


(Details received via PM)


       
  • zhulien
  • Richard_Lloyd
  • Joseman
  • Skunkfish
  • HigashiJun
  • ajcasado
  • LewisCPC
  • Edoz(MSX)
  • chilli_taff
  • JayBlood
  • craem
  • valfac
  • AnakinTF
  • teopl
  • Luis_CPC
  • OncleCed
  • Evildead666
  • Poliander
  • Neurox66
  • Proteus
  • franck2
  • megatronuk
  • Amsasm
  • Jay1x
  • kawickboy
Cancellations: 5 people



9 Jan 2022 ---------- ORDERS CLOSED: UNLESS THEY ARE KIND ENOUGH TO ACCEPT THEM


15 Feb 2022 ---------- THE BATCH IS GOING AHEAD


19 Feb 2022 ---------- AND THERE ARE STILL 5 NEW ADDITIONAL CARDS AVAILABLE!!!
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: craem on 07:33, 06 September 21
one for me :D
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: Joseman on 07:59, 06 September 21
Quote from: zhulien on 00:35, 06 September 21
Hi Everyone,


This thread is to track those who would like a new Tecnobytes V9990 Graphics card (MX4 version) for their Amstrad CPC.

http://www.tecnobytes.com.br/p/v9990-powergraph_10.html (http://www.tecnobytes.com.br/p/v9990-powergraph_10.html)


Tecnobytes has stated if they get 30 orders minimum for a batch, they can do a batch.

As I get more info I will update here - such as the pricing I am still waiting on.


If you want more than 1 for a next batch, please post here.  I will try summarise.
Hi!
what will be the price of the card? (more or less)
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: HigashiJun on 08:46, 06 September 21
As stated in the previous related thread, I am in for one.
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: zhulien on 10:19, 06 September 21
Quote from: Joseman on 07:59, 06 September 21
Hi!
what will be the price of the card? (more or less)


I am still waiting for them to tell me that.  So i have left the poll open for you to change your answer - i think (lock voting option?).
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: TotO on 11:38, 06 September 21
I'm not interrested, because there is no DIN passthrough to plug it on the same display as the CPC.
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: Richard_Lloyd on 13:32, 06 September 21
Yes please, one for me - subject to price.


I'm in the UK, where do they ship from? Will the price show shipping?


Thank you for your effort.
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: Trebmint on 13:34, 06 September 21
There is the monitor issue with the technobytes g9k card. I know that Prodatron still has a batch of a dozen or so that he's never passed because of this issue.
This issue needs to be sorted before more are made I think.


However would love to see more g9ks on the CPC as the software is now starting to come :)
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: ago on 14:43, 06 September 21
Hi!!
I am interested in the card, but I have some doubts. What are those monitor problems which some of you are talking about?? And, would I need two different screens??
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: DoctorCPC on 16:05, 06 September 21
I want to buy one  v9999 card for rsf3.  It must Work with rsf3. Im from İstanbul. My whatsapp number +905554983655
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: zhulien on 16:13, 06 September 21
Quote from: TotO on 11:38, 06 September 21
I'm not interrested, because there is no DIN passthrough to plug it on the same display as the CPC.


I will certainly pass on your feedback.
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: zhulien on 16:16, 06 September 21
Quote from: Trebmint on 13:34, 06 September 21
There is the monitor issue with the technobytes g9k card. I know that Prodatron still has a batch of a dozen or so that he's never passed because of this issue.
This issue needs to be sorted before more are made I think.


Can you get more info on this issue?
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: Edoz(MSX) on 16:37, 06 September 21
The card only supports 15 khz analog RGB signal. (over SCART) So your monitor needs to support this. So in a way there is no issue with the card, but can be a bit hard to find a working monitor for it. See also here some info. http://15khz.wikidot.com/ (http://15khz.wikidot.com/) This is just to the fact the Brazilian card is not supporting the standard SCART TV signal, as in brazil they do not know SCART like we do in Europe. (It is more a standard thing in Europe)
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: Luis_CPC on 16:44, 06 September 21
Hello, one for me please.
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: XeNoMoRPH on 07:45, 07 September 21
I bought the V9990 Light MSX version, a year or so ago more or less, otherwise I would be delighted to participate, but I like that people are interested in the card so that more people have it, so we can get things done, now that we have the Quigs Q9k   :D
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: OncleCed on 08:24, 07 September 21
Hello ! One for me !!!  :D 8)
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: ajcasado on 08:57, 07 September 21
Hi, I also want one for me.
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: zhulien on 12:27, 07 September 21
Quote from: XeNoMoRPH on 07:45, 07 September 21
I bought the V9990 Light MSX version, a year or so ago more or less, otherwise I would be delighted to participate, but I like that people are interested in the card so that more people have it, so we can get things done, now that we have the Quigs Q9k   :D


I agree too, actually i have a couple already but i am happy to get one more.  Ideally i hope there is enough people with them to make games worthwhile.  I do wish it had a monitor passthrough to make it simpler to use.


about 3 days we have 10 interested people already, let's hope we get to 30 legitimate expressions of interest soon.
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: pelrun on 14:19, 07 September 21
Which reminds me I was partway through the process of modifying mine to add a passthrough, I should probably pick that back up.
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: DoctorCPC on 17:20, 07 September 21
I want to v9990 (1 unit) please add me buying list
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: JayBlood on 12:50, 08 September 21
Good new! If already possible, one unit for me. ;)
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: teopl on 16:00, 08 September 21
Is is possible to have MSX V9990? I have AMSDAP42 and I would like to use it with this card?

In any case - count me in for 1. (I hope MSX version)
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: zhulien on 00:31, 09 September 21
Quote from: teopl on 16:00, 08 September 21
Is is possible to have MSX V9990? I have AMSDAP42 and I would like to use it with this card?

In any case - count me in for 1. (I hope MSX version)


If you check their website, it appears they just closed the current batch of MSX cards but you can of course leave your name for a future batch. 

Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: Poliander on 16:21, 09 September 21
Please count me in for one, thank you!
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: HigashiJun on 03:32, 12 September 21
Cone on, guys !

Just 15 fellows ?

:(
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: roudoudou on 07:05, 12 September 21
Quote from: HigashiJun on 03:32, 12 September 21
Cone on, guys !
Just 15 fellows ?
:(
is there any software for V9990 since 5 years the card is used on CPC?

Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: Joseman on 07:12, 12 September 21
Quote from: HigashiJun on 03:32, 12 September 21
Cone on, guys !

Just 15 fellows ?

:(
I want one, but i'm waiting for the price, because i'm a little short of money.
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: Joseman on 07:15, 12 September 21
Quote from: roudoudou on 07:05, 12 September 21
is there any software for V9990 since 5 years the card is used on CPC?
Some cool projects are being made with quigs.
And even the Symbos version that run this software hasn't been released (I think)
Sure 30+ owners of the card will speed up things

It's a matter of time in my opinion.
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: HigashiJun on 07:33, 12 September 21
Quote from: Joseman on 07:15, 12 September 21
Some cool projects are being made with quigs.
And even the Symbos version that run this software hasn't been released (I think)
Sure 30+ owners of the card will speed up things

It's a matter of time in my opinion.

Yes, let's hope and fingers crossed.

;)
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: TotO on 09:01, 12 September 21
@Joseman (https://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=135) The V9990 was originally intended for the MSX3, but the machine was canceled. The first video card to use it appeared around 1992 and for almost 30 years you can count on the fingers of your hand the amount of projects carried out for the legitimate machine in its day.

Even SymbOS is satisfied with a 16-color mode for "compatibility" which does not take advantage of its real specificities.
Also, I doubt that it is on CPC that its use comes to life when the circuit is hardly available for some time.

For fans of video game creation, there is the Mega Drive which costs less than the card, with a magnificent game library and very advanced development tools for beginners who want to have fun with its big sister Yamaha VDP.  :)
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: Trebmint on 18:31, 13 September 21
Quote from: TotO on 09:01, 12 September 21
@Joseman (https://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=135) The V9990 was originally intended for the MSX3, but the machine was canceled. The first video card to use it appeared around 1992 and for almost 30 years you can count on the fingers of your hand the amount of projects carried out for the legitimate machine in its day.

Even SymbOS is satisfied with a 16-color mode for "compatibility" which does not take advantage of its real specificities.
Also, I doubt that it is on CPC that its use comes to life when the circuit is hardly available for some time.

For fans of video game creation, there is the Mega Drive which costs less than the card, with a magnificent game library and very advanced development tools for beginners who want to have fun with its big sister Yamaha VDP.  :)
Quigs g9k developer should be released near the end of this month, which allows cross development of g9k games on symbos. Edo has already got Flappy bird [size=78%]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTOV4d5Eq4E (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTOV4d5Eq4E)[/size][/size][size=78%]  working using Quigs and more is to follow. The plan is to make developing so easy that people have a go, and perhaps we the g9k will get some software after all these years[/size]
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: TotO on 18:41, 13 September 21
Well... I agree since the begin that offering a common graphic solution for SymbOS allows to have universal applications on it. Now, I thing the V9990 is not the good choice compared to the V9938/58 VDP for that usage (opening all the MSX 1/2 games to our computer). Flappy Bird? :-\
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: Trebmint on 19:43, 13 September 21
Quote from: TotO on 18:41, 13 September 21
Well... I agree since the begin that offering a common graphic solution for SymbOS allows to have universal applications on it. Now, I thing the V9990 is not the good choice compared to the V9938/58 VDP for that usage (opening all the MSX 1/2 games to our computer). Flappy Bird? :-\
There's already hundreds of MSX2 games, so why bother?
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: TotO on 21:32, 13 September 21
Quote from: Trebmint on 19:43, 13 September 21
There's already hundreds of MSX2 games, so why bother?
They are around 100 games dedicated to the MSX2, but that is not the question...

The question is about a common graphic chip for "universal" SymbOS programs on MSX/CPC and the best to acheive that is to use the MSX2 VDP because many great programs can be adapted to run on MSX1 and CPC in this way.
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: Trebmint on 22:50, 13 September 21
Quote from: TotO on 21:32, 13 September 21
They are around 100 games dedicated to the MSX2, but that is not the question...

The question is about a common graphic chip for "universal" SymbOS programs on MSX/CPC and the best to acheive that is to use the MSX2 VDP because many great programs can be adapted to run on MSX1 and CPC in this way.
The hardware and software already exists. I don't see the point in stopping and starting to downgrade the specs.
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: TotO on 23:01, 13 September 21
Quote from: Trebmint on 22:50, 13 September 21
The hardware and software already exists. I don't see the point in stopping and starting to downgrade the specs.
I don't said to stop anything, but that was not a best choice to select the MSX3 VDP for this usage, as explain previously.
Now, it is perfect if SymbOS users are happy with the V9990 and games like flappy bird comming on it. Have fun.
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: zhulien on 03:37, 14 September 21
Quote from: Joseman on 07:12, 12 September 21
I want one, but i'm waiting for the price, because i'm a little short of money.


USD $115 + shipping
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: pelrun on 05:47, 14 September 21
I'd suggest asking if they can make a minor revision on any new run and break out the YS, VRESET and HRESET (oh and gnd/5v is probably a really good idea) pins to their own header, if that's feasible. Then it will be a lot easier to add-on a passthrough board afterwards. It's not impossible to access them on the current board, but it's definitely awkward.
The extra signals that are absolutely required are just YS and VRESET. GND and 5V should already be present on the VGA socket (I should check to see if 5V is actually connected already). HRESET is apparently only used when joining two V9990's.
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: Joseman on 07:40, 14 September 21
Quote from: zhulien on 03:37, 14 September 21

USD $115 + shipping
Ok, count me for 1 unit then.
Thank you!
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: Joseman on 12:51, 14 September 21
I'm posting (again) on twitter, hope new people will come to buy one!
https://twitter.com/sJoseman/status/1437730871231012867 (https://twitter.com/sJoseman/status/1437730871231012867)

is there any possibility that a new bath can be made with 20 people?
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: Richard_Lloyd on 13:47, 14 September 21
Quote from: zhulien on 03:37, 14 September 21

USD $115 + shipping


OK, I am definitely interested, no longer 'maybe'.


Thanks, Richard.
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: Drtad on 21:07, 14 September 21
One, or two for me
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: gflorez on 00:00, 15 September 21
Hello, I am new here. Already presented me here (https://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/general-discussion/new-member-new-to-amstrad/new/#new).
I want to clarify something: there is not such graphic standard solution for SymbOS. Things have not happened like that.

All on SymbOS has been a challenge from the start: a full mouse driven WIMP(Windows, icons, menus, pointer) multitask environment on a little Z80 computer with only 128KB...
Since I follow the works of Prodatron he has been compulsorily adding new computers and devices to his creature. He has added a lot of CPC-only, MSX-only, PCW-only and Enterprise-only devices, apps and features to each computer version, by his own initiative or by  popular petitions.
For example, G9K and MP3 support was added to SymbOS-MSX just when the MSX Sunrise cartridges were developed, a little life ago.... On a time when the MSX user base was reluctant to move to MSX2 or MSX2+.

There has been no such decision, between V9958 and V9990, the truth is that it already exist a V9990 based MSX cartridge(and the CPC version), but not the other case. Maybe this situation can change, because the V9958 is cheaper and easier to find, with a multitude of schematics and information to implement it on an expansion card. And probably Prodatron would add it to SymbOS if the hardware is ever developed.
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: GUNHED on 02:16, 15 September 21
But why move back to 9958?
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: roudoudou on 06:58, 15 September 21
Quote from: GUNHED on 02:16, 15 September 21
But why move back to 9958?
because it was used in MSX2 so there is already plenty of softwares


Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: gflorez on 07:54, 15 September 21
Because there is no such move back, the V9958 is already supported on SymbOS-MSX.

Managing the same hardware on different computers is a mater of to know the Z80 ports where the device has been interfaced.

But to have a V9958 hypothetically interfaced to a CPC does not mean automatic access to the MSX library of games, they would need to be converted one by one from scratch. One of the big reasons is:  because the MSXs manage 8 bit ports(ignore the higher byte), and the CPCs manage full 16 bit ports. This detail alone forces to rewrite all port accesses. Also, 16 bit ports make the code a little slower than with 8 bits ports.

But... coding for 16bit ports makes the programs or games more compatible.... a SymbOS app written for CPC will usually work on  MSX and Enterprise, because these are 8 bit ports based computers, they ignore the upper byte of the 16 bit address of a port. Where the CPC manages the &FF60 to &FF6F ports to access the V9990, the other computers only care for &60 to &6F. The upper byte can contain any value, so &FF is any value...

Why I am explaining you this? Because Trebmint is cleverly using this trick to make his G9K module for QUIGS to produce more compatible code, 3 computers at once... marvellous...

The PCW is another history... I will explain it later.
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: Trebmint on 08:55, 15 September 21
I'm not sure why people would want to move backwards from a v9990 to v9958. The v9990 is so superior, already exists/works, and does anyone really believe that people will port MSX2 games too the CPC.


Quigs is an attempt to make a standard game framework for Symbos based on the v9990. I have no idea if anyone other than myself and Edo will develop for it, but I hope so as it has many advantages that many people might like.


1. The v9990 is cool and powerful
2. Symbos will allow far more scope than a game running straight from Amsdos for media, mouse, sound, network etc etc
3. Cross platform
4. Easy/Fast to develop for with Quigs, with ease to integrate graphics and even mapping etc
5. Quigs compiles to very fast z80.

Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: TotO on 09:45, 15 September 21
Quote from: gflorez on 07:54, 15 September 21
Because there is no such move back, the V9958 is already supported on SymbOS-MSX.
Managing the same hardware on different computers is a mater of to known the Z80 ports where the device has been interfaced.
But to have a V9958 hypothetically interfaced to a CPC does not mean automatic access to the MSX library of games, they would need to be converted one by one from scratch. One of the big reasons is:  because the MSXs manage 8 bit ports(ignore the higher byte), and the CPCs manage full 16 bit ports. This detail alone forces to rewrite all port accesses. Also, 16 bit ports make the code a little slower than with 8 bits ports.
Yes, the V99x8 are already supported by SymbOS that already made existing applications for the OS runable for a CPC with it.

Now, about the 16-bit decoding from the CPC, it is a chance luck. As I have suggested some years ago, using the FFxx port decoding on the CPC allows to directly connect any MSX expansions to the CPC and use them w/o remapping anything aroung the MSX ports 0-255. It is in that way the V9990 and adapters to support MSX hardware on our beloved computer started. (sure, it may require some program hacks, as done on Coleco/SG-1000, but it is a less effort VS redo all)

Again, it is not a reason to stop the V9990, but probably a V99x8 expansion will be nice for a more affordable offer around compatibility.
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: gflorez on 13:34, 15 September 21
The selection of the CPC ports for MSX hardware.... that is something that was decided by Prodatron, and I don't know from who he took the idea. The target was to fix the upper byte to &FF on the MSX adapter, and so, every &FFXX port access triggers only the lower byte, &XX, to the cartridge.


What I want to say is, the CPC &FFXX range was selected time before making the real adapter, the Amsdap. It was not a chance.

The Enterprise had only a few classic hardware expansions, so then it had a lot of free Z80 ports to put MSX expansions.

The PCW is a special case... It is an 8 bit ports machine, but its architecture uses almost all the 256 ports range, so another approach has been used(thanks to Habi).

A free port is used to create a new 256 ports range, in this case &B0. The trick is to use the high byte as the target port, leaving the lower byte always as &B0. Then, on the adapter, every access to the &XXB0 range is redirected, only passing the upper byte to the MSX hardware.

This way, all the CPC code to access the MSX hardware can be used on the PCW, taking the precaution to swap the two bytes of the port address.


Edit, I put the wrong common port number for PCW, it is &XXB0.
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: gflorez on 13:46, 15 September 21
I encourage any development of a V9958 graphics card, it would be great.
But... apart from the difference on the ports, the MSX games make an intensive use of libraries on Roms, that would force the conversion coders to add translation Roms on the CPC versions.

Another drawback is the use of different memory paginations on CPC and MSX.

----
About the Coleco, SG1000/SC3000 conversions to MSX, these machines are pre-MSX, so they share more hardware architecture  than only the Video chip with the MSX.

Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: TotO on 13:54, 15 September 21
Quote from: gflorez on 13:34, 15 September 21
The selection of the CPC ports for MSX hardware.... that is something that was decided by Prodatron, and I don't know from who he took the idea. The target was to fix the upper byte to &FF on the MSX adapter, and so, every &FFXX port access triggers only the lower byte, &XX, to the cartridge.
I know, as I have said that to him by email/PM or at the Revision event.

Quote from: gflorez on 13:34, 15 September 21What I want to say is, the CPC &FFXX range was selected time before making the real adapter, the Amsdap. It was not a chance.
Sorry, the problem is the "chance" word into my sentence. I mean the luck to have a 16-bit I/O port to allow that.

Quote from: gflorez on 13:46, 15 September 21I encourage any development of a V9958 graphics card, it would be great. But... apart from the difference on the ports, the MSX games make an intensive use of libraries on Roms, that would force the conversion coders to add translation Roms on the CPC versions.Another drawback is the use of different memory paginations on CPC and MSX.----About the Coleco, SG1000/SC3000 conversions to MSX, these machines are pre-MSX, so they share more hardware architecture  than only the Video chip with the MSX.
Well... The Coleco and SG1000 do not have the MSX ROM or paging system too. The CPC already have the same CPU and sound chip, while them have the same CPU and VDP. Anyway, it does not apply to the existing SymbOS programs.
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: gflorez on 17:10, 15 September 21
Quote from: TotO on 13:54, 15 September 21
I know, as I have said that to him by email/PM or at the Revision event.

Sorry, the problem is the "chance" word into my sentence. I mean the luck to have a 16-bit I/O port to allow that.

Well... The Coleco and SG1000 do not have the MSX ROM or paging system too. The CPC already have the same CPU and sound chip, while them have the same CPU and VDP. Anyway, it does not apply to the existing SymbOS programs.

-You are clever....

-Ok, now I understand it. You meant the opportunity to have a spare 256 port range at &FFXX.

-As I have said, I don't want to discourage anybody, only to show objectively the possible problems that may arise.
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: Edoz(MSX) on 17:29, 15 September 21
Quote from: TotO on 09:45, 15 September 21
Yes, the V99x8 are already supported by SymbOS that already made existing applications for the OS runable for a CPC with it.


Maybe it is me, but I do not get it. the V9990 is also supported by SymbOS and is much better compare to the old MSX2 VDP.


The MSX was my machine back then and I don't see the point bringing  the MSX2 VDP to the CPC.. as then you almost basically have a MSX then ;)
And having MSX2 VDP on the CPC does not give you a bunch of games that will work as the CPC as simply it still is different machine. Porting will maybe possible but i think not an easy task.


The v9990 is on the MSX an add- on card. I see it more like the Voodoo card for MSX and now for CPC and ENTERPRISE as well. Running it on different machines would be cool as one release for a game will work on all the machines and no porting is required. Yes there is less software for it but I would hope people will like it and start there own devs for it
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: GUNHED on 17:36, 15 September 21
Quote from: Trebmint on 08:55, 15 September 21
I'm not sure why people would want to move backwards from a v9990 to v9958. The v9990 is so superior, already exists/works, and does anyone really believe that people will port MSX2 games too the CPC.
Totally agreed!  :) :) :)
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: TotO on 17:37, 15 September 21
Quote from: gflorez on 17:10, 15 September 21
Ok, now I understand it. You meant the opportunity to have a spare 256 port range at &FFXX.
Exactly.
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: HAL6128 on 09:12, 16 September 21
Quote from: Edoz(MSX) on 17:29, 15 September 21
The v9990 is on the MSX an add- on card. I see it more like the Voodoo card for MSX and now for CPC and ENTERPRISE as well. Running it on different machines would be cool as one release for a game will work on all the machines and no porting is required. Yes there is less software for it but I would hope people will like it and start there own devs for it
Hopefully Trebmint will release his new QUIGS? The IDE so far is quite impressive and interesting and the language easy to understand. I mean, SymbOS is a very attractive environment, also due to it's very good and deep documentation. But you still need to be an machine code professional to create something. QUIGS could be an approach for Non-Professional/Nerds (like me) to program at least something? Would be cool.
...and after embedding the driver/language support for the V9990 the OPL2 / Adlib sound cards with Pulkomandys Willy adapter or the LambdaSpeak / Midi-Board (with same sound chip) could also be enhanced by Trebmint? :)
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: Trebmint on 09:21, 16 September 21
Quote from: HAL 6128 on 09:12, 16 September 21
Hopefully Trebmint will release his new QUIGS? The IDE so far is quite impressive and interesting and the language easy to understand. I mean, SymbOS is a very attractive environment, also due to it's very good and deep documentation. But you still need to be an machine code professional to create something. QUIGS could be an approach for Non-Professional/Nerds (like me) to program at least something? Would be cool.
...and after embedding the driver/language support for the V9990 the OPL2 / Adlib sound cards with Pulkomandys Willy adapter or the LambdaSpeak / Midi-Board (with same sound chip) could also be enhanced by Trebmint? :)
There will be a release of Quigs with g9k support very soon (within a week). Yesterday we had the great news that Prodatron has worked out the g9k interrupt, so when I receive the updated symbos I will try to get that included.... this will mean really cool stuff can be done :) Currently I'm adding lots of use cases to the optimizer... I want the Quigs compiler to produce the fastest ever z80 compiled code.
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: Edoz(MSX) on 11:35, 25 September 21
Here you can find the new G9K BETA release for Quigs:


https://www.msx.org/forum/msx-talk/development/new-symbos-development-quigs-beta-release-with-g9k-support (https://www.msx.org/forum/msx-talk/development/new-symbos-development-quigs-beta-release-with-g9k-support)

Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: HigashiJun on 01:54, 26 September 21
All to do now is to cross fingers and hope a new batch of the v9990 will be released...

8)
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: Trebmint on 09:05, 28 September 21
Quote from: Edoz(MSX) on 11:35, 25 September 21
Here you can find the new G9K BETA release for Quigs:


https://www.msx.org/forum/msx-talk/development/new-symbos-development-quigs-beta-release-with-g9k-support (https://www.msx.org/forum/msx-talk/development/new-symbos-development-quigs-beta-release-with-g9k-support)


Yes please join the new Quigs discord server [size=78%]https://discord.gg/eVQQnzFYkD (https://discord.gg/eVQQnzFYkD)[/size] Where I hope we can fix bugs, create a g9k framework for games that people want (currently thinking about game objects and how to reference.define them), and optimise the language to be even faster. You can do this by checking the output.asm, and telling me where its inefficient within the compiler scope.
Cheers.
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: Skunkfish on 16:10, 28 September 21
Put me down for one please  :D
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: zhulien on 13:03, 04 October 21
There seems to be 100s of CPC users here on these forums, but only 17 that want better graphics?


I think there are a few options, but what is important also - is that this option actually exists - it is not fake, some of us have it already.  It isn't a perfect solution, but having said that, it is the best graphics option currently available for the CPC.


Other options I could see but so far no-one has taken it up.


- CPCLink Card + Raspberry Pi, this option exists in hardware but not yet in software.  There is no reason why a server (running on the Pi) could not provide facilities to the CPC via the CPCLink card.  Via a simple protocol that would enable us to use an HDMI monitor for even BASIC (patched) but not existing games.


- New CPC Graphics Card perhaps based on the MSX 1 standard?  This would allow easy porting of some MSX and Sega games at a pretty low price point.


- CPC/PI Bridge Board, not yet existing fully still a work in progress but it would still require software to be written.




- @ToTo I think you mentioned perhaps making a CPC graphics card that is an extension of the RGB signals?  Like the Graffiti card?  Could that perhaps work on CPC given the right drivers on CPC side?


- Display Port Protocol support on USB.  I downloaded the docs for this standard and to me it is a bit alien but, I am sure that someone here would understand enough about USB protocols to implement elementary Display Port facilities.  The only thing I wasn't sure of from a hardware point of view, is can the CPC feed the Display Port fast enough without a coprocessor.  We have quite a few good USB adapters now, so maybe someone would like to evaluate the display port protocol?


https://www.vesa.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/ICCE-Presentation-on-VESA-DisplayPort.pdf





Lots of people would love to see new hardware but some don't want the CPC to basically become a PC.  Displays are one irritating point for CPC that is yet to be resolved.  I was lucky enough to find an LCD TV which has HDMI and SCART but they don't seem to make them anymore (at least not in Australia).  SCART was never big here anyway.  The Spectrum and Amiga both have Raspberry Pi HDMI based adapters, so there is no technical reason that a similar solution couldn't be used to convert CPC display signals to HDMI also.


The ultimate solution would be something that is compatible with CPC native modes but offers a couple of other higher colour or higher resolution modes with it.
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: ajcasado on 14:03, 04 October 21
Quote from: zhulien on 13:03, 04 October 21There seems to be 100s of CPC users here on these forums, but only 17 that want better graphics?
I'm one of the 17. The problem may be that the price is high and probably also that it will only be supported by SymbOS.

For a cheap VGA capable expansion the RPi PICO is a good option. Less than 5€ in Farnell:

https://es.farnell.com/raspberry-pi/raspberry-pi-pico/raspberry-pi-32-bits-arm-cortex/dp/3643332?cjevent=f8ea7a5f250b11ec823501d70a18050d&cjdata=MXxZfDB8WXww&CMP=AFC-CJ-ES-1765328&gross_price=true&source=CJ (https://es.farnell.com/raspberry-pi/raspberry-pi-pico/raspberry-pi-32-bits-arm-cortex/dp/3643332?cjevent=f8ea7a5f250b11ec823501d70a18050d&cjdata=MXxZfDB8WXww&CMP=AFC-CJ-ES-1765328&gross_price=true&source=CJ)

See the yet ready extra libraries : https://github.com/raspberrypi/pico-extras (https://github.com/raspberrypi/pico-extras).
More functionalities are also implemented in the MCU, as UART(serial port), SPI, I2C, I2S, digital I/O, Analog Input, USB host.
It has 30 GPIO pins, so several of the functionalities (audio, VGA, storage, comms and I/O ) referenced above could be used at the same time in a not very complicated expansion board for de CPC.

It comes with 2MB of flash to support the desired functionalities code and 264kB of RAM that can be used as VRAM and buffers for I/O, storage and audio.
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: zhulien on 14:41, 04 October 21
I think it will be supported by more than Symbos - just that Symbos is the only thing that currently supports it.  But that is pretty good in itself - Symbos is really another platform for CPC (AMSDOS, CP/M, FutureOS, Symbos), and debatably the best platform, although FutureOS appears to have some really good features too - just the goals are different for each.  AMSDOS of course is the most primitive and is debatably not an OS, but fulfils the features of an OS.. just.


We can still write our own software and if any game developers make games supporting it that would be cool too.
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: zhulien on 14:48, 04 October 21
Quote from: ajcasado on 14:03, 04 October 21
I'm one of the 17. The problem may be that the price is high and probably also that it will only be supported by SymbOS.

For a cheap VGA capable expansion the RPi PICO is a good option. Less than 5€ in Farnell:

https://es.farnell.com/raspberry-pi/raspberry-pi-pico/raspberry-pi-32-bits-arm-cortex/dp/3643332?cjevent=f8ea7a5f250b11ec823501d70a18050d&cjdata=MXxZfDB8WXww&CMP=AFC-CJ-ES-1765328&gross_price=true&source=CJ

See the yet ready extra libraries : https://github.com/raspberrypi/pico-extras.
More functionalities are also implemented in the MCU, as UART(serial port), SPI, I2C, I2S, digital I/O, Analog Input, USB host.
It has 30 GPIO pins, so several of the functionalities (audio, VGA, storage, comms and I/O ) referenced above could be used at the same time in a not very complicated expansion board for de CPC.

It comes with 2MB of flash to support the desired functionalities code and 264kB of RAM that can be used as VRAM and buffers for I/O, storage and audio.


Something like this interfaced with CPC directly would be a very good CPC gfx card solution because of it's software upgradability.  I wonder if @revaldinho (https://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=1776) could easily modify CPCLink to cater for the Pi Pico?



https://picockpit.com/raspberry-pi/raspberry-pi-pico-video-output/
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: zhulien on 14:51, 04 October 21
Still there are advantages in the full CPCLink card - it's really easy to change the onboard Pi when a new pin-compatible model comes out.
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: gflorez on 17:12, 04 October 21
I would like to remember you all that the Amsdap bus expander allows the use of 2 MSX cartridges, so buying the available Technobytes V9990 MSX version is easier than asking for a 30 units batch of the CPC version.
Also, TMTLogic will soon release an affordable  and simple CPC slot(MX4) to MSX slot.

So, you have some more real, actual, available options.


Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: LewisCPC on 20:52, 04 October 21
Put me down for one :)
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: revaldinho on 22:01, 04 October 21
Quote from: zhulien on 14:48, 04 October 21
Something like this interfaced with CPC directly would be a very good CPC gfx card solution because of it's software upgradability.  I wonder if @revaldinho (https://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=1776) could easily modify CPCLink to cater for the Pi Pico?
https://picockpit.com/raspberry-pi/raspberry-pi-pico-video-output/ (https://picockpit.com/raspberry-pi/raspberry-pi-pico-video-output/)


I haven't see these before, but I like the idea of the Pico as a generic video processor for 8 bit CPUs. This is a totally different direction to the V9990 cards though and might be split off into another thread.


CPC-cplink is already fully compatible with the Pi Pico, Arduino and other microcontrollers. The cplink header has a pin-out suitable for direct connection to a standard Raspberry Pi, so other MCUs need to be connected with a short cable or just breadboard wires. Cplink deals with voltage level shifting as necessary, and removes any timing criticality from the interface. The latter is more useful for standard Raspberry PIs running a full Linux, or maybe slower MCUs like the Arduinos. The Pico, with its PIO based pin handling, is easily fast enough to process Z80 bus transactions without the need for cplink's hardware FIFOs.


R
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: TotO on 22:46, 04 October 21
Quote from: revaldinho on 22:01, 04 October 21I like the idea of the Pico as a generic video processor for 8 bit CPUs.
Yes, it looks more attractive.
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: Trebmint on 00:47, 05 October 21
So you guys want to buy a cheaper graphics card with no software at all, that has yet to be designed, built, and still not that many people will want... hmmm.


Software is coming for the v9990 that will make more people want this card :)
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: zhulien on 05:34, 05 October 21
Quote from: revaldinho on 22:01, 04 October 21

I haven't see these before, but I like the idea of the Pico as a generic video processor for 8 bit CPUs. This is a totally different direction to the V9990 cards though and might be split off into another thread.



If you start a new Pico CPC Gfx Card thread based on CPC-cplink, add me down for 2.

Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: zhulien on 05:37, 05 October 21
Quote from: Trebmint on 00:47, 05 October 21
So you guys want to buy a cheaper graphics card with no software at all, that has yet to be designed, built, and still not that many people will want... hmmm.


Software is coming for the v9990 that will make more people want this card :)


I think the v9990 and another solution like Pico are good alternatives for different purposes.  The v9990 could be good for games, but isn't really the best display for serious software on the CPC with it's low resolution given the small choice of LCD monitors we have these days.  Having a Pico with full HD display could really be a good thing (for some types of games) but definitely for serious software.  Choices are good, they don't really overlap... I'd rather be programming on my CPC (with full HD) than mode 2 if it were an option.
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: Edoz(MSX) on 17:31, 05 October 21
I wanna support! So sign me up as well for a spare! v9990 is just very cool and very 8 bit!
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: Munchausen on 19:51, 05 October 21
Myself and presumably many others already have a v9990 card for cpc, it is not only those registering interest here
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: XeNoMoRPH on 06:58, 06 October 21
With @Edoz(MSX) (https://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=1188) , there are 20 people interested, I think it's a good number for this expensive hardware, @zhulien (https://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=58) could you talk to Tecnobytes to try to lower their requirements?
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: TotO on 11:05, 06 October 21
Quote from: XeNoMoRPH on 06:58, 06 October 21
With @Edoz(MSX) (https://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=1188) , there are 20 people interested, I think it's a good number for this expensive hardware, @zhulien (https://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=58) could you talk to Tecnobytes to try to lower their requirements?
I agree that 20 peoples is probably enough to do a batch if they want to be kind to offer this expansion for the CPC users.
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: zhulien on 18:04, 06 October 21
Quote from: XeNoMoRPH on 06:58, 06 October 21
With @Edoz(MSX) (https://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=1188) , there are 20 people interested, I think it's a good number for this expensive hardware, @zhulien (https://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=58) could you talk to Tecnobytes to try to lower their requirements?


I have emailed Rogerio at Tecnobytes and asked if they will lower the requirements for a batch.  I am expecting one or two of us (sad fact usually) will drop out too - hopefully we can make them back up.


I will post his reply when he replies.
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: DoctorCPC on 22:43, 07 October 21
What is the last situation? How can i give order? I want to buy v9990 Graphic Card. My favorite Amstrad Devices will be RSF3, v9990 Graphic Card and Dandanator Mini...
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: chilli_taff on 12:32, 08 October 21
Hi zhulien

Add me too, I'll buy one of these if they are available - let me know when you need payment

Thanks
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: Skunkfish on 13:29, 08 October 21
I'm tempted, what would shipping be to the UK?
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: zhulien on 21:32, 08 October 21
ok, got a reply from Tecnobytes...




Re: [Tecnobytes Classic Computers] New message received.


Hi Julian

Thanks for your message, we can close the batch with 24 units. For confirmation we need the emails of the interested parties to send the Paypal invoices.
We can provide as a bonus the Svideo and composite video adaptor.



Be Safe


Best Regards


Rogério Belarmino

Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: zhulien on 21:37, 08 October 21
I don't know what shipping is, I know it is USD38 for 8 units to Melbourne, Australia - but I am not buying 8 units... it should be less than half of that for 1 unit to me.


So i can collate all your email addresses and onforward them to Rogerio of Tecnobytes so he can invoice you all,

please PM me with your:

First Name:
Last Name:
City:
Country:
email address:


Just like above so it is very clear to me and Rogerio.


For security, don't pay for anything unless it is a v9990 invoice from Tecnobytes.  I will let technobytes request your full postal addresses so you don't need to share those with me, or maybe when you pay you can provide that.


Note: we don't YET have 24 people but we are close, and it is nice of them to include the SVideo + Composite adapters as a bonus.
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: HigashiJun on 04:06, 09 October 21
PM sent !

Thank you for your involvement zhulien.
;)
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: Joseman on 07:05, 09 October 21
PM sent too!
Thankyou for all!
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: zhulien on 07:54, 09 October 21
Quote from: HigashiJun on 04:06, 09 October 21
PM sent !

Thank you for your involvement zhulien.
;)


Hi, I didn't get a PM yet. 


You are welcome - I also hope that more people have them so there is more incentive for software to be developed.  I have some ideas for it to make it a bit more useful than Symbos - but Symbos itself is really a great piece of software.  I will try present my ideas in another thread - they relate to the drivers thread I had previously created.
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: HigashiJun on 02:49, 10 October 21
Quote from: zhulien on 07:54, 09 October 21

Hi, I didn't get a PM yet. 


You are welcome - I also hope that more people have them so there is more incentive for software to be developed.  I have some ideas for it to make it a bit more useful than Symbos - but Symbos itself is really a great piece of software.  I will try present my ideas in another thread - they relate to the drivers thread I had previously created.

Should be OK now...
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: teopl on 07:08, 10 October 21
PM sent  8)
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: ajcasado on 19:02, 10 October 21
PM sent!!
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: LewisCPC on 19:52, 10 October 21
Sent a PM :)
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: zhulien on 02:33, 11 October 21
Quote from: teopl on 07:08, 10 October 21
PM sent  8)


not yet received
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: Edoz(MSX) on 10:55, 11 October 21
I did sent the PM as well
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: zhulien on 13:49, 11 October 21
Quote from: teopl on 07:08, 10 October 21
PM sent  8)


@Gryzor, is there an internal email issue?  teopl is the 2nd person within a few days that has said they have sent a PM but none has been received.
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: chilli_taff on 17:14, 11 October 21
Hi zhulienPM Sent
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: JayBlood on 23:18, 11 October 21
PM sent too. Thanks; Zhulien. ;)
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: DoctorCPC on 01:21, 12 October 21

First Name: Volkan
Last Name: Atasever
City: Istanbul
Country: Turkey
Email: volkan@volkanatasever.com / volkan@s4g.email

I want to buy 1 piece. what can i do? im in buying list.
best regards
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: zhulien on 13:08, 12 October 21

Hi

@craem (https://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=2587) , @AnakinTF (https://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=4355) , @Luis_CPC (https://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=4392) , @valfac (https://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=3506) , @vhenares (https://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=4378) , @OncleCed (https://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=4391) , @kawickboy (https://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=380) , @teopl (https://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=2874) , @Poliander (https://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=203) , @Drtad (https://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=4401)


Please PM me your details so i can provide them to Tecnobytes.


Thanks
Title: Re: Technobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: Drtad on 15:17, 12 October 21

Sending

Quote from: zhulien on 00:40, 06 September 21
The below users would like a new v9990 graphics card in Mother X4 configuration:


(Details received via PM)


       
  • zhulien
  • Richard_Lloyd
  • Joseman
  • Skunkfish
  • HigashiJun
  • ajcasado
  • LewisCPC
  • Edoz(MSX)
  • chilli_taff
  • DoctorCPC
  • JayBlood
(Pending Details)


       
  • craem
  • AnakinTF
  • Luis_CPC
  • valfac
  • vhenares
  • OncleCed
  • kawickboy
  • teopl
  • Poliander
  • Drtad
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: valfac on 21:47, 12 October 21
PM sent!


Thanks a lot,
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: zhulien on 16:07, 13 October 21
I don't know what shipping is, I know it is USD38 for 8 units to Melbourne, Australia - but I am not buying 8 units... it should be less than half of that for 1 unit to me.


So i can collate all your email addresses and onforward them to Rogerio of Tecnobytes so he can invoice you all,

please PM me with your:

First Name:
Last Name:
City:
Country:
email address:


Just like above so it is very clear to me and Rogerio.


For security, don't pay for anything unless it is a v9990 invoice from Tecnobytes.  I will let technobytes request your full postal addresses so you don't need to share those with me, or maybe when you pay you can provide that.


Note: we don't YET have 24 people but we are close, and it is nice of them to include the SVideo + Composite adapters as a bonus.
Title: Re: Technobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: LewisCPC on 19:32, 13 October 21
Quote from: zhulien on 00:40, 06 September 21
The below users would like a new v9990 graphics card in Mother X4 configuration:


(Details received via PM)


       
  • zhulien
  • Richard_Lloyd
  • Joseman
  • Skunkfish
  • HigashiJun
  • ajcasado
  • LewisCPC
  • Edoz(MSX)
  • chilli_taff
  • DoctorCPC
  • JayBlood
  • craem
(Pending Details)


       
  • AnakinTF
  • Luis_CPC
  • valfac
  • vhenares
  • OncleCed
  • kawickboy
  • teopl
  • Poliander
  • Drtad


Oops... just sent you my details again haha
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: LewisCPC on 19:36, 13 October 21
You can up mine to two in order to make up numbers, if you like... also...


If the order is successful, is there a decent resource I can dip into regarding using the device? I understand that there is an adapter that will allow me to use MSX carts developed for the 9990 on my CPC. Would like to know what I need to do this :)
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: XeNoMoRPH on 10:13, 14 October 21
Quote from: LewisCPC on 19:36, 13 October 21LewisCPC

If I understood correctly, The version to be manufactured is v9990 with the Amstrad connector, on the other side ... you will only need an MX4 board to connect it to the CPC ... there is an adapter called AMSDAP, which is used to connect MSX hardware that uses a MSX cartridge in the CPC, such as the SE-ONE or the MSX v9990.
I imagine the v9990 board is similar to this previous one that was made:


(https://auamstrad.es/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/DUd6lNZX0AE2jdA.jpg.webp)


(http://fotos.subefotos.com/48f27c26328ff9aed088a24e5c93a941o.jpg)

MX4 Board

Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: zhulien on 16:19, 14 October 21
Tecnobytes should work in any Amstrad CPC or clone with MX4 slots, that should include:


- CPC 464, CPC 664, CPC6128, 6128Plus, 464Plus with AMSDAP or MX4 or even just a cable (but with just a cable you effectively have 1 slot)


- Just CPC (it already has 2 MX4 slots in it)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QT6JmjpTJXI


- Just CPC 4ATX (it already has 7 MX4 slots in it)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DykFhtNbgGk
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: OncleCed on 08:43, 15 October 21
Hello,


I will use with Amsdap.  :)


V9990 will not single, I've a Symbiface III too.
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: ikari on 20:29, 15 October 21
lol and I bought on ebay 🤦🏻‍♂️

what can we run on it? ;x
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: Trebmint on 20:21, 16 October 21
Quote from: ikari on 20:29, 15 October 21
lol and I bought on ebay 🤦🏻‍♂️

what can we run on it? ;x
Well I'm currently developing the QG9kEngine for Symbos/Quigs for V9990.... After completing flappy bird, Edo & my first little demo is going to be a micromachines type game. This is just a mice little test of large maps and scrolling.
[size=78%]https://youtu.be/qHfNJ0ewB5w (https://youtu.be/qHfNJ0ewB5w)[/size]


This is cross platform with v9990 on CPC/MSX and Enterprise using symbos
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: HigashiJun on 23:19, 16 October 21
Seems really promising !

:)

Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: zhulien on 15:24, 17 October 21

Hi everyone below, I am still waiting for your details to be PM'd to me so we can place the order.  Please let me know also if you do NOT want to go ahead. Thanks.

@Luis_CPC (https://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=4392)
@vhenares (https://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=4378)
@OncleCed (https://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=4391)
@kawickboy (https://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=380)
@Poliander (https://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=203)
@Drtad (https://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=4401)
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: Luis_CPC on 16:48, 17 October 21
Hello, I sent PM twice but I hit the envelope icon and not the correct icon, so of course you did not get it. Sorry, my fault!!

PM sent right now, if not recived please notify me. Thanks!!

(And of course, I go ahead!!)
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: Drtad on 17:53, 17 October 21

Sending

Quote from: zhulien on 15:24, 17 October 21
Hi everyone below, I am still waiting for your details to be PM'd to me so we can place the order.  Please let me know also if you do NOT want to go ahead. Thanks.

@Luis_CPC (https://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=4392)
@vhenares (https://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=4378)
@OncleCed (https://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=4391)
@kawickboy (https://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=380)
@Poliander (https://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=203)
@Drtad (https://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=4401)
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: zhulien on 15:18, 18 October 21
Hi Everyone, we are only at 17, we need to make 24 orders for Tecnobytes.


That is 7 more (which could include the 4 who haven't PM'd me yet unless you are changing your mind - which you can).



Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: LewisCPC on 21:12, 18 October 21
Quote from: XeNoMoRPH on 10:13, 14 October 21
If I understood correctly, The version to be manufactured is v9990 with the Amstrad connector, on the other side ... you will only need an MX4 board to connect it to the CPC ... there is an adapter called AMSDAP, which is used to connect MSX hardware that uses a MSX cartridge in the CPC, such as the SE-ONE or the MSX v9990.
I imagine the v9990 board is similar to this previous one that was made:


Will be able to launch supported software from the Amstrad without any extras?
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: Joseman on 09:22, 19 October 21
Quote from: zhulien on 15:18, 18 October 21
Hi Everyone, we are only at 17, we need to make 24 orders for Tecnobytes.


That is 7 more (which could include the 4 who haven't PM'd me yet unless you are changing your mind - which you can).
If it is needed i'll buy 1 more unit (only if needed!!)
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: zhulien on 11:19, 21 October 21
Hi Everyone,


We are at 18 people (I know a couple of you have offered to buy 2 units), mention that to Tecnobytes when you place your order.


We need another 6 people so i can place the order.  Surely the ability to run Symbos with some software coming out that supports the v9990 is exciting? 



Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: Joseman on 16:06, 21 October 21
Quote from: zhulien on 11:19, 21 October 21
Hi Everyone,


We are at 18 people (I know a couple of you have offered to buy 2 units), mention that to Tecnobytes when you place your order.


We need another 6 people so i can place the order.  Surely the ability to run Symbos with some software coming out that supports the v9990 is exciting?
I think that the batch is going to be made... only a little more patience.
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: zhulien on 16:13, 21 October 21
Quote from: Joseman on 16:06, 21 October 21
I think that the batch is going to be made... only a little more patience.


Just afraid the longer the wait, people will start changing their minds :D
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: Joseman on 16:21, 21 October 21
Quote from: zhulien on 16:13, 21 October 21

Just afraid the longer the wait, people will start changing their minds :D
With the videos of Micro Machines i doubt it!!
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: TotO on 18:30, 21 October 21
Quote from: Joseman on 16:21, 21 October 21
With the videos of Micro Machines i doubt it!!
It is just a tilemap displayed from the VDP memory that scroll by moving a sprite to increment few registers. I hope that will be a game, but it is very very far to the final goal to be hyped now.
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: Prodatron on 19:54, 21 October 21
Quote from: TotO on 18:30, 21 October 21
It is just a tilemap displayed from the VDP memory that scroll by moving a sprite to increment few registers. I hope that will be a game, but it is very very far to the final goal to be hyped now.
Hm, why so negative about a new V9990 batch and the current developments?  :(
There are more than 40 SymbOS applications now running nice on the Graphics 9000 on CPC/MSX/Enterprise,
and one very nice looking casual full screen game (Flappy Birds) beside some more demos,
and the next one (Micro Machines) is now under construction and already in an advanced stage. Very important stuff is already working now and there is a lot of CPU time left for the remaining stuff even on a 3,5MHz system.
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: TotO on 20:32, 21 October 21
Quote from: Prodatron on 19:54, 21 October 21
Hm, why so negative about a new V9990 batch and the current developments?  :(
Hey, it is not negative but objective. I had prefered this VDP expansion with a video signal passthrough to display all on the CPC monitor by using /YS and a multiplexer IC. I understand that is nice for SymbOS, but I don't see any interrest except that. (much more by using V99x8)
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: Prodatron on 21:25, 21 October 21
Do you think, that superimposing or signal passtrough is more easy for the 9938 compared to the 9990? Both require additional hardware to do this. I am not a hardware guy at all, so I have no idea.

But when you have a look at the Philips 8280 it's already a lot of stuff. AFAIK the 9938 can't do this without any extra hardware. So I wonder what's the issue with the 9990 compared to the 9938 regarding this?

For the V9990 it looks similiar with the Video 9000, which does superimpose as well.

Another question is:
Since the V9990 has been connected successfully to the CPC for the first time, already 4 years passed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plQf9_7zPSA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plQf9_7zPSA)
It is available since 4 years, fully working, and we made new software for it and can use all existing ones for SymbOS as well, so you already have a lot of 16 colour stuff on the CPC running at very high screen resolutions.
But nobody else created another video hardware during this time. Why should this happen right now?
There are probably other graphic chips, which are fine as well. From my side, it would be very easy and really cool to port and use the VDP9938 MSX screen driver to SymbOS CPC as well, if someone would build such a hardware.

But if such hardware is not available, and no one is planning to do something within a realistic time frame, it doesn't make sense to say, that the G9K is not a good solution, except you want to talk in a negative way about a current project, which already exists. But this wouldn't be nice.

The main reason for using the G9K as a new standard video card for the CPC/MSX/Enterprise (maybe even PCW in the future) regarding platform independant fullscreen games is, that's it's probably the most powerful and easy to program video card which has ever been developed for an 8bit system.

---------------
9938 Superimposer hardware:
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: TotO on 21:56, 21 October 21
This is another thing. I talked about the fact that using the V99x8 was compatible with SymbOS and offered the possibility of porting existing MSX games to the CPC. this was not directly related to the ability to display everything on the same screen, but is more relevant for the V9990.

I know all of these things, I saw this on the internet and at the Revision event with you. Just because I would like the V9990 card to be different doesn't mean my post is negative. I explain a point of view, that's all. Something that seems to be difficult to have for 5 years with all these social networks that only allow you to say "like" and no longer to think differently or exchange opinions without being classified or upset people.
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: Trebmint on 22:11, 21 October 21
Quote from: TotO on 21:56, 21 October 21
This is another thing. I talked about the fact that using the V99x8 was compatible with SymbOS and offered the possibility of porting existing MSX games to the CPC. this was not directly related to the ability to display everything on the same screen, but is more relevant for the V9990.

I know all of these things, I saw this on the internet and at the Revision event with you. Just because I would like the V9990 card to be different doesn't mean my post is negative. I explain a point of view, that's all. Something that seems to be difficult to have for 5 years with all these social networks that only allow you to say "like" and no longer to think differently or exchange opinions without being classified or upset people.
Yes but the idea of this thread is (probably now was) to get enough people together to order a batch of a card that exists... But that's been derailed. Seems the objective is to stop people ordering this real piece of hardware for an idea you have in your head.
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: TotO on 22:27, 21 October 21
Quote from: Trebmint on 22:11, 21 October 21
Yes but the idea of this thread is (probably now was) to get enough people together to order a batch of a card that exists... But that's been derailed. Seems the objective is to stop people ordering this real piece of hardware for an idea you have in your head.
I really doubt about that, because the poll has grown after the post to explain my choice. I have no doubt that people can choose for themselves according to their desires and uses, because the V9990 is a great Yamaha VDP, close to the Mega Drive one, but for 8-bit systems.

EDIT: Looking the poll again, you have reach the number required (22+3) and you just have to wait them to pay.
I'm pretty sure that some other people will ask for the expansion late (hurry up!), because "avaliable".
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: zhulien on 07:10, 22 October 21
Yes the poll does say that, but unfortunately only 18 people have provided me with their details to pass on.  A couple of those are interested in more than 1 card.  We are almost there.


As a separate project, perhaps someone will design an external video / audio switching / mixing box for CPCs with up to 4 stereo inputs and 2 video inputs? 
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: XeNoMoRPH on 09:54, 22 October 21
maybe some people have not realized that they have to submit the data, because they do not check the forum often, could it be? .. I have warned everyone I know.
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: gflorez on 10:12, 22 October 21
Yes, I think this is not the place to begin a discussion about how better would be a theoretic V9958 based graphics card against a real-working-with-software v9990 graphics card... 

Putting these discouraging "opinions" on a thread only asking for V9990 buyers seems for me that there is a second intention, may be a third intention...
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: TotO on 19:53, 22 October 21
Quote from: gflorez on 10:12, 22 October 21
Putting these discouraging "opinions" on a thread only asking for V9990 buyers seems for me that there is a second intention, may be a third intention...
Do not try to search problems where they are not. You are not on Facebook. Thank you.
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: kawickboy on 20:47, 22 October 21
Quote from: Drtad on 17:53, 17 October 21
Sending


Hello, sorry i didn't receive any PM or alert. What are you waiting for ?
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: zhulien on 01:23, 23 October 21
Ok, I will PM those i am waiting on when I get home.
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: kawickboy on 21:35, 29 October 21
Hi, sorry i didn't receive any PM.
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: DoctorCPC on 22:08, 29 October 21
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Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: 1024MAK on 07:58, 30 October 21
I may be interested in one of these.

I do have some questions. Forgive me if any of these were answered earlier in the thread.

How many of these (and I mean the CPC version) are already in use? Do we know?

Apart from SymbOS, is there any other software that can make use of this card?
Is there a test program (even a simple one) or demo that does not need SymbOS, so that it's easy to see if the card and the monitor connections are working?

I can't tell from Tecnobytes web site. I presume they are based in the E.U.. Hence I have to keep in mind that due to the U.K. having left the E.U., if I buy one of these, I will have to pay VAT at 20% plus an administration charge on top of the total of the selling price and postage / shipping. That is unless Tecnobytes have arrangements in place to charge U.K. VAT before sending it or import it into the U.K., charge U.K. VAT and then post it out.

It gets significantly more expensive if I end up paying E.U. tax and then U.K. VAT on top...  >:(

As VAT is supposed to be charged on the price including the postage/shipping costs, I would like to have a better idea of the postage/shipping costs. I'm in the mainland U.K..

Is there any way to contact Tecnobytes so that I can ask them directly about taxes and postage / shipping costs?

Mark

Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: Prodatron on 10:37, 30 October 21
Hi Mark,
Tecnobytes is based in Brazil.
There is this "Robot Demo" called testprogram for the CPCs V9990, which can be started from Amsdos:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16GFIp7LJR4
I have to search for the files again.
Maybe Zhulien can answer your other questions?
Cheers,Prodatron
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: 1024MAK on 19:46, 30 October 21
Thanks Prodatron  :)

Mark
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: gflorez on 08:07, 01 November 21

Taxes don't work as that.... even if you buy from E.U. you only pay one tax in your country...

They works as this: The origin country seller will charge you only the price of the item+shipping, without taxes. Once it arrived to your country, the item will be evaluated at Customs, and they will decide your added tax. It can travel through a lot of countries, and none of them will increase the value.


So, at the end, is your own country who will calculate how much tax will apply, usually similar to the VAT. The difference is if they include the shipping on the calculation base, and if they charge you additionally for the packet manipulation, but always inside your country. Not much about this has changed between UK and E.U. since Brexit, only that the they are now third countries for each other, no more associated.


All countries -including the "evil" E. U.- manage the same rules.

There is other way: Sometimes the seller can offer you to pay your taxes in the origin country. Accept it quickly. Usually the process will be cheaper and faster because, when the packet will arrive to your country Customs, the officials will be forced to admit it as tax applied.
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: gflorez on 08:26, 01 November 21
You can find the "Robot demo" files here (https://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/amstrad-cpc-hardware/using-symbos-with-the-gfx9000-(msx-grapics-card)/msg156979/#msg156979), on an old thread of this web page.
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: zhulien on 15:51, 01 November 21

Hi Mark,


Prodatron is correct, they are based in Brazil.  I don't know how many originally were in the first batch - but I suspect there are at least 30 in circulation now, could be more, but I would be surprised if there were more than 100.


I don't know how VAT works in UK in relation to Brazil.  Something to consider.  They will invoice you direct when I have everyone's details - I think that is the best way so everyone doesn't need to provide me or someone else with payment details.


Yes, contact them on their website.   http://www.tecnobytes.com.br/p/v9990-powergraph_10.html


or here:   


Rogério Belarmino

amenophis3 AT gmail DOT com


Note: he is also in facebook under the tecnobytes page if that helps.

Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: zhulien on 15:53, 01 November 21
Quote from: gflorez on 08:26, 01 November 21
You can find the "Robot demo" files here (https://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/amstrad-cpc-hardware/using-symbos-with-the-gfx9000-(msx-grapics-card)/msg156979/#msg156979), on an old thread of this web page.


That link didn't work for me, is there another location for it?
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: GUNHED on 16:00, 01 November 21
Yes...
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: HigashiJun on 14:02, 13 November 21
So are there some interesting news ?
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: tmf on 11:51, 06 December 21
Hi,
Please count me for one, whenever possible.
Thanks - Tomek
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: Prodatron on 21:19, 06 December 21
Quote from: zhulien on 07:10, 22 October 21
Yes the poll does say that, but unfortunately only 18 people have provided me with their details to pass on.  A couple of those are interested in more than 1 card.  We are almost there.
Will this batch still be possible? What is Tecnobytes thinking? Would 20 be already enough?
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: zhulien on 13:34, 07 December 21
Even if we get 24 people, I will be passing the info on to tecnobytes - and there is still the 'hope' all those people pay.  For now we sit at 19.
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: teopl on 21:51, 10 December 21
Bump  ;D  Anyone else?  8)
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: Neurox66 on 07:42, 12 December 21
One for my 6128 Plus  :D
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: Redbug on 11:09, 01 January 22
Hello,


What's the status of the command ? Still available ? (I could be interested if it is ;p)
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: OneVision on 19:21, 02 January 22
I'm also interested !


Please count me in.
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: Evildead666 on 21:51, 02 January 22
I'd like one too if you're still doing it @zhulien (https://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=58)  ?
I sent you a pm with the details.
cheers
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: zhulien on 19:32, 05 January 22
I am waiting on 5 form members to send me their details - or let me know they are no longer interested - I have PMed them all.  Once I have their details, I will pass the info on to Tecnobytes.

Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: zhulien on 10:00, 06 January 22
I have details of 22 people so far,


For the remaining people: @TotO (https://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=290) @vhenares (https://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=4378) @Redbug (https://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=493) @OneVision (https://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=3156) and @Proteus (https://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=464)


I will give you until end of Sunday to PM me the following - anyone else can too and I will provide the details to Tecnobytes.



First Name:
Last Name:
City:
Address:
Country:
email address:




Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: Evildead666 on 01:14, 07 January 22
Maybe you could try and get a plug on Xyphoes Youtube stream if he's doing one tomorrow ?
He usually does one on Fridays.
https://www.youtube.com/c/Xyphoe/videos (https://www.youtube.com/c/Xyphoe/videos)
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: franck2 on 05:03, 08 January 22
Hello, please could you add one for me for mother X4 ?
Thx !
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: zhulien on 07:46, 10 January 22
---------- ORDERS CLOSED: UNLESS THEY ARE KIND ENOUGH TO ACCEPT THEM

---------- YOU ARE WELCOME TO FORWARD ME THE DETAILS




First Name:
Last Name:
City:
Address:
Country:
email address:




Status of process is now shown on the front page of this thread here: https://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/amstrad-cpc-hardware/technobytes-v9990-new-batch/
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: Richard_Lloyd on 18:50, 10 January 22
@zhulien (https://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=58)
A big thank you for this!
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: zhulien on 04:06, 11 January 22
@Prodatron (https://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=13) do you know how many Amstrad CPC V9990s there are in circulation before this batch is made?
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: Prodatron on 15:51, 11 January 22
I just checked the old thread. The minimum of the first batch was 30, and if I understood it correctly, they even sold more.


https://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/amstrad-cpc-hardware/using-symbos-with-the-gfx9000-(msx-grapics-card)/msg149212/#msg149212 (https://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/amstrad-cpc-hardware/using-symbos-with-the-gfx9000-(msx-grapics-card)/msg149212/#msg149212)

Maybe it was even 35 at the end, but I don't know exactly.
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: codie3 on 13:40, 14 January 22
Hi,


I'm Amstrad CPC owner that want to be V9990 owner.


How can achieve this? I'm on time to order one?


Thanks.
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: chilli_taff on 09:40, 20 January 22
Morning

Has anyone else had an email from Rogerio? 

Just want to confirm it's legit before I confirm my details.

Cheers
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: Skunkfish on 10:09, 20 January 22
I've just checked and I haven't received any such e-mail....
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: chilli_taff on 10:45, 20 January 22
Mine originally landed in my spam folder which made me a bit suspicious  ::)
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: Joseman on 11:52, 20 January 22
Mine in spam folder too...
but hotmail is somewhat fool with the spam folder
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: Skunkfish on 13:11, 20 January 22
I have received after all, was in my spam folder on Gmail.
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: zhulien on 05:43, 21 January 22
Just to confirm, Rogerio has received all current order requests based on his reply below:


"
Thu 7:54 AM
Rogerio

(https://scontent.fmel3-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-1/c0.0.100.100a/p100x100/197232465_10208512778653400_8727532620216137031_n.jpg?_nc_cat=108&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=7206a8&_nc_ohc=yHXNqgh5CwUAX-DrAQm&_nc_ad=z-m&_nc_cid=0&_nc_ht=scontent.fmel3-1.fna&oh=00_AT_BTN6JK3mqwndbt5wKijaD3vOqVtCpVHJLH8iwJq_E_g&oe=62112D1F)

Hi Julian We apologize for the delay in getting back to you, we are already moving to send an individual email to everyone on the list you got, the new batch will be manufactured as we agreed
"


Note: all invoices will be from Tecnobytes, not myself.
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: Evildead666 on 11:35, 22 January 22
Ah crap, better check my spam box.

edit : Yup, there it was. ;)
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: zhulien on 14:46, 22 January 22
Any late people wanting one you can give me your details and I will forward them on but I can't promise you will be invoiced or not by tecnobytes... with luck they will take all the orders they can get
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: zhulien on 22:48, 23 January 22
Hi everyone


Not sure how many people have been contacted by Rogerio yet but I know some have as you have replied to him and me. From what I can see, he only so far asked permission to invoice you basically a confirmation.  So, kindly respond with a yes or no.  If you want to provide him with a new email address for which he can invoice you, that is fine too, but it is tecnobytes sending invoices first is my understanding... not everyone randomly paying them.
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: Joseman on 23:09, 24 January 22
Hi

I answered his email, but i have no response or paypal invoice
anyone has received this mail??

Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: Evildead666 on 19:29, 25 January 22
No, no reply or invoice yet either.
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: HigashiJun on 22:09, 25 January 22
Same situation here.
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: Skunkfish on 22:25, 25 January 22
Same...
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: Prodatron on 14:37, 26 January 22
Maybe you need some patience with Tecnobytes sometimes.I don't know, but in 2017 it took several monthes between closing the ordering process and shipping the cards.
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: chilli_taff on 15:35, 26 January 22
Agreed.  It took sometime to get 24 people so I guess it'll take some time for the 24 to respond
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: chilli_taff on 13:32, 28 January 22
Just to let you know I've had an email through apologising for the delay and the paypal invoice.

All good
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: zhulien on 18:25, 28 January 22
My invoice came through a few hours ago
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: Evildead666 on 19:51, 28 January 22
Same here, came through today.Not in Spam folder ;)
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: HigashiJun on 01:53, 29 January 22
Received mine too.

Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: HigashiJun on 12:59, 30 January 22
And I would like to thank zhulien for his involvement in helping us getting this nice piece of hardware.

Thank you zhulien !

8)
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: zhulien on 19:57, 30 January 22
Welcome but all credit really goes to the original team that includes Prodatron, all i did was convince tecnobytes to run another batch.  With luck more software will come out on Symbos and perhaps Amsdos eventually to get enough interest for future batches. For now the CPC v9990 community is very small.
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: LewisCPC on 00:06, 01 February 22
Just paid my invoice:)
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: HigashiJun on 22:26, 01 February 22
Received a confirmation for my payment.

Tecnobytes delivery forecast will be in 2 and half months from the total payment of the group.



Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: zhulien on 00:19, 02 February 22
Hi, I have an update from Tecnobytes - 15 customers have paid, 11 they are still waiting for - I have PM'd the 11, please check your SPAM.
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: teopl on 22:33, 02 February 22
I saw email just yesterday and sent them email asking for payment details.

I need just 2 things:

- PayPal destination
- amount in euro or $

:)

Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: JayBlood on 00:08, 04 February 22
Thanks to Zhulien. I ordered mine today. ;)
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: zhulien on 07:31, 04 February 22

Update, some people have not yet paid their invoice, I have asked if any new latecomers can be added to the batch (this week) - and although I haven't yet got a response, if you do want a gfx card and are not already listed send me the following details ASAP and I will forward them on to tecnobytes and with some luck you will be able to get a gfx card too.


Latecomers!


First Name:
Last Name:
City:
Address:
Country:
email address:
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: megatronuk on 13:30, 06 February 22
Just sent a PM re: the latecomer list.
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: genesis8 on 16:45, 06 February 22
Instead of using a VGA 15 Hz monitor which can be hard to find, it seems this item could be used using a TV with SCART :
https://www.tindie.com/products/spark2k06/monochromergb/ (https://www.tindie.com/products/spark2k06/monochromergb/)
Seller is in Spain.
VGA at 15.7Khz horizontal frequency to SCART with automatic 4:3 <-> 16:9 aspect change for compatible TVs, being necessary 5V power supply via microUSB or from the VGA connector itself. This is possible thanks to the implementation of another project, called The ultimate VGA to SCART adapter (https://hackaday.io/project/165634-the-ultimate-vga-to-scart-adapter)
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: zhulien on 01:43, 08 February 22
Quote from: megatronuk on 13:30, 06 February 22
Just sent a PM re: the latecomer list.


I haven't received any PM from you yet.

Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: zhulien on 01:45, 08 February 22
We now have 5 more people remaining to pay their invoices, please those who I have PM'd pay your invoice asap.


Thanks
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: megatronuk on 09:28, 08 February 22
Quote from: zhulien on 01:43, 08 February 22

I haven't received any PM from you yet.


I think I must have clicked the "send email" form, rather than "send message". PM now definitely sent  :D
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: megatronuk on 19:44, 11 February 22
Invoice received and paid!


Anyone have any inside info over whether a new MSX batch is coming in the future?
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: Prodatron on 21:11, 11 February 22
As far as I understand there is a parallel MSX V9990 batch as well from Tecnobytes currently.
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: zhulien on 09:51, 14 February 22
We have had a few cancellations and a couple of others filling in their spots - unfortunately so far it 'may' be 1 spot more than they are going to produce, but i have forwarded the details anyhow as I hope they can fulfill all spots.  This batch size is 24 units, possibly 25 if they will make an additional one.   I have record of 24 sales so I am awaiting a verification of their list of 25 vs my list of 24 - perhaps someone ordered 2 units.
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: kawickboy on 13:58, 15 February 22
Hello, my invoice was lost in spam box, but it is now canceled. Any issue to re-activate it ?
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: zhulien on 14:55, 16 February 22
I will ask tecnobytes
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: zhulien on 02:38, 19 February 22
Hi Everyone, Just an update from Tecnobytes - 25 orders so far, they said we needed 24 to get the go ahead, almost everyone has paid.  And... there are actually 5 more cards available. So, I guess their batch is of 30 units.
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: HigashiJun on 13:58, 19 February 22
I guess it's the last chance to get your V9990 for your CPC, as Tecnobytes won't probably make new batches indefinitely...
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: zhulien on 17:32, 19 February 22
From what I gather, there are 2 issues for future batches.  First is that the components are getting forever harder for them to obtain although I am sure someone could create an fpga solution from the existing msx cores out there - if they support v9990 that is.  Secondly is how many CPC users actually want one.  I believe every now and then there will be a bunch of CPC users enough to justify a new batch.
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: megatronuk on 18:08, 19 February 22
From what I gather, the existing emulation of the V9990 (in something like OpenMSX) is not perfect - the feedback on the MSX.org forums is that pretty much every new V9990 game or demo that comes out results in bug fixes in OpenMSX. Unlike something like the earlier V9938/9958 VDP designs, it doesn't appear to be emulated well enough to translate into an fpga design quite yet.
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: Prodatron on 21:48, 19 February 22
On the other side all the normal G9K stuff works great in OpenMSX and on the real Hardware. I Wonder If this is more Like the different crtc types.
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: HigashiJun on 04:07, 20 February 22
Quote from: zhulien on 17:32, 19 February 22
From what I gather, there are 2 issues for future batches.  First is that the components are getting forever harder for them to obtain although I am sure someone could create an fpga solution from the existing msx cores out there - if they support v9990 that is.  Secondly is how many CPC users actually want one.  I believe every now and then there will be a bunch of CPC users enough to justify a new batch.

I personally do not like this FPGA emulation, which little by little and insidiously intrudes in our retro machines...

>:(
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: zhulien on 22:59, 22 February 22
All current spots are closed. The additional cards were sold direct by Tecnobytes.


Please post in the forum when you receive your card so we all have a rough idea of when to expect ours.
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: LewisCPC on 22:58, 11 May 22
Still no sign of mine :( 
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: HigashiJun on 05:10, 12 May 22
Quote from: LewisCPC on 22:58, 11 May 22Still no sign of mine :(

We should hear from Tecnobytes soon.

The forecast was 2 and half months after everybody pays, and I guess all the interested persons paid at the end of February.

So mid-May or end of May should be good, provided no problem happened during production process.

Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: zhulien on 06:27, 16 May 22
I have emailed Tecnobytes to ask for an update, i will post it here when they reply.
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: Evildead666 on 06:55, 02 June 22
@zhulien : Has there been no reply from Tecnobytes ?
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: zhulien on 09:26, 02 June 22
Not yet I will message again
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: zhulien on 07:53, 06 June 22
Just noticed from their website - Rogerio they mention is my contact.  http://www.tecnobytes.com.br/

"Hello everyone!

Thank you for shopping with Tecnobytes. We are very grateful for your confidence in us. We are striving to do our best to deliver you excellent hardware for you to use in your MSX, "the most magical of all microcomputers".

Unfortunately, one of our team members (Rogério Belarmino) has got the COVID-19 disease. He has taken first dose of vaccine and he is out of danger, but his mobility is limited due to his medical condition. 

So, some of our processes, such as the shipping will be delayed a little. We will ship all items as soon as possible. We just ask for a little patience at this time.

Thank you,
Tecnobytes Team."
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: zhulien on 07:54, 06 June 22
Does anyone know whether the Powergraph Lite MSX version with AMSDAP works as well as a CPC Powergraph?
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: XeNoMoRPH on 08:12, 06 June 22
Quote from: zhulien on 07:54, 06 June 22Does anyone know whether the Powergraph Lite MSX version with AMSDAP works as well as a CPC Powergraph?
(https://www.msx.org/wiki/images/1/14/PowerGraph_Light.jpg)


yes, I have the V9990 PowerGraph Light, with the AMSDAP, it works perfectly on my CPC, and of course on my MSX2

Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: megatronuk on 14:11, 16 June 22
Quote from: zhulien on 07:53, 06 June 22Just noticed from their website - Rogerio they mention is my contact.  http://www.tecnobytes.com.br/

"Hello everyone!

Thank you for shopping with Tecnobytes. We are very grateful for your confidence in us. We are striving to do our best to deliver you excellent hardware for you to use in your MSX, "the most magical of all microcomputers".

Unfortunately, one of our team members (Rogério Belarmino) has got the COVID-19 disease. He has taken first dose of vaccine and he is out of danger, but his mobility is limited due to his medical condition.

So, some of our processes, such as the shipping will be delayed a little. We will ship all items as soon as possible. We just ask for a little patience at this time.

Thank you,
Tecnobytes Team."


I think that notice was relating to the delivery of the previous batch of MSX PowerGraph Lite carts in 2021.
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: zhulien on 17:19, 20 June 22
I've sent them another message this time via their website.
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: LewisCPC on 21:55, 01 July 22
Still nothing. :( 
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: JayBlood on 00:10, 04 July 22
Nothing here too.
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: HigashiJun on 10:02, 04 July 22
Same here...

Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: franck2 on 10:43, 06 July 22
Nothing here too. Zhulien, is it possible to track the shipment ?
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: HigashiJun on 11:05, 06 July 22
Quote from: franck2 on 10:43, 06 July 22Nothing here too. Zhulien, is it possible to track the shipment ?

Provided a shipment has been done...


Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: Neurox66 on 16:48, 06 July 22
Quote from: HigashiJun on 11:05, 06 July 22
Quote from: franck2 on 10:43, 06 July 22Nothing here too. Zhulien, is it possible to track the shipment ?

Provided a shipment has been done...




Today is the sixth of July I really hope they have already been shipped
but I think the wait is still long  :o
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: HigashiJun on 22:18, 06 July 22
Quote from: Neurox66 on 16:48, 06 July 22
Quote from: HigashiJun on 11:05, 06 July 22
Quote from: franck2 on 10:43, 06 July 22Nothing here too. Zhulien, is it possible to track the shipment ?

Provided a shipment has been done...




Today is the sixth of July I really hope they have already been shipped
but I think the wait is still long  :o

I guess Zhulien would have some kind of feedback if the shipment would have been sent.

Tecnobytes seems to be a serious seller, but not hearing anything from them is quite bad.
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: Neurox66 on 05:04, 07 July 22
Quote from: HigashiJun on 22:18, 06 July 22I guess Zhulien would have some kind of feedback if the shipment would have been sent.

Tecnobytes seems to be a serious seller, but not hearing anything from them is quite bad.

will certainly be as you say :)
We must always be hopeful :D
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: megatronuk on 08:05, 07 July 22
Nothing here either, beyond the initial payment request months ago. I even answered the payment request and asked a question about potential additional batches of MSX carts, and it went unanswered.
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: JayBlood on 23:18, 07 July 22
No like good...
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: TotO on 07:33, 08 July 22
I will be not surprised they can't source the VDP.
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: HigashiJun on 09:32, 08 July 22
Quote from: TotO on 07:33, 08 July 22I will be not surprised they can't source the VDP.

No worries then and I would completely understand.

But the fact is they seem to ignore e-mails from us and I personally do not like that kind of bad faith.

It would be really easier to say: "Ok guys, we cannot do it and we refund you right now !".

Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: XeNoMoRPH on 10:08, 08 July 22
I bought a V9990 light MSX version at tecnobytes, I have relived the dates and this is how long it took since I sent the order email:

mail with order sended:  05-05-2020
V9990 Light MSX received: 13-07-2020

but of course, I suppose that it is not the same to manufacture one than 30 units.
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: HigashiJun on 10:54, 08 July 22
Quote from: XeNoMoRPH on 10:08, 08 July 22I bought a V9990 light MSX version at tecnobytes, I have relived the dates and this is how long it took since I sent the order email:

mail with order sended:  05-05-2020
V9990 Light MSX received: 13-07-2020

but of course, I suppose that it is not the same to manufacture one than 30 units.


And under worldwide chip shortage due to COVID-19...
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: TotO on 14:07, 08 July 22
Quote from: HigashiJun on 10:54, 08 July 22And under worldwide chip shortage due to COVID-19...
That is not related. The V9990 is obsolete since 20 years ago now. All the expansions was based upon old stock.
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: pelrun on 17:48, 08 July 22
Which would be fine if the board only had a V9990 on it, but they have to get *other* parts too. Good luck finding an Altera CPLD in the right package for a reasonable price...
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: TotO on 18:47, 08 July 22
Definitively, the main problem is to source obsolete IC, not modern one that can be replaced by updating the design if required... Or just wait for the availability. In any case, it is easy to answer to peoples waiting since...
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: craem on 18:28, 17 July 22
I have sent an email and have not received an answer. does anyone have news?
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: HigashiJun on 00:49, 18 July 22
Quote from: craem on 18:28, 17 July 22I have sent an email and have not received an answer. does anyone have news?

I guess the answer is 'no'...
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: franck2 on 18:21, 20 July 22
Quote from: craem on 18:28, 17 July 22I have sent an email and have not received an answer. does anyone have news?
I have sent an email on july 6th and they answer me quickly :
"We apologize for the delay in response, we are having problems purchasing the Yamaha chip (V9990) main chip on the board"
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: megatronuk on 19:33, 20 July 22
Oh dear. They commenced the start of a new batch  without having a ready stock of V9990s?

Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: HigashiJun on 01:12, 21 July 22
Quote from: megatronuk on 19:33, 20 July 22Oh dear. They commenced the start of a new batch  without having a ready stock of V9990s?


;)
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: zhulien on 08:30, 26 July 22
That is the norm I guess with small volume hardwares.  I have faith in them...
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: TotO on 09:07, 26 July 22
When the material to be produced depends on rare/obsolete circuits, the first thing to do is to secure them. Even before opening (pre)orders, to avoid long delays, anticipate price increases and above all not to cancel the project.

Examples of projects and components that I bought to start:
- X-MASS = 100x IDE Disk On Module
- PlayCity = 200x soundchips
- Play2CPC = 300x soundchips

It is not serious to offer an extension based on V9990 when it has close to no stock to manufacture them since 2019.

Of course, no one can know if a very common component (cpld, fpga, ram, flash, ..) is delayed with the current international situation. But in this case, it only requires redesigning the PCB or waiting some weeks for a restock.
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: megatronuk on 23:38, 26 July 22
Quote from: TotO on 09:07, 26 July 22When the material to be produced depends on rare/obsolete circuits, the first thing to do is to secure them. Even before opening (pre)orders, to avoid long delays, anticipate price increases and above all not to cancel the project.

Examples of projects and components that I bought to start:
- X-MASS = 100x IDE Disk On Module
- PlayCity = 200x soundchips
- Play2CPC = 300x soundchips

It is not serious to offer an extension based on V9990 when it has close to no stock to manufacture them since 2019.

Of course, no one can know if a very common component (cpld, fpga, ram, flash, ..) is delayed with the current international situation. But in this case, it only requires redesigning the PCB or waiting some weeks for a restock.


I agree, it is one thing to unexpectedly not be able to source a modern, off-the-shelf component... But to presumably spin up an entire production run of boards and supporting material without knowing whether you have a supply of an out of production part? That doesn't seem sensible.

I do wonder what is going to happen to all our money now? I would have thought production of a low volume product like this to take several months if all the parts were available... To find out so many months later that a fundamental component could not be sourced??? 
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: GUNHED on 11:49, 27 July 22
Right guys! For the CPC it would be probably way more easy to get an old VGA card. Who to connect it? Use CPCISA project. Still more realistic.

To be constructive: Everybody on the waiting list can help to search the desired chip in the net and then give to information to the V9990 producers. Help them - help yourself.  :) 
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: HigashiJun on 08:26, 28 July 22
Quote from: GUNHED on 11:49, 27 July 22Right guys! For the CPC it would be probably way more easy to get an old VGA card. Who to connect it? Use CPCISA project. Still more realistic.

To be constructive: Everybody on the waiting list can help to search the desired chip in the net and then give to information to the V9990 producers. Help them - help yourself.  :)

That is what I was thinking, but sourcing V9990 is not that simple. I checked all resellers I could here in Japan and the last chip I saw was sold in 2020...

Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: HigashiJun on 08:32, 28 July 22
Quote from: megatronuk on 23:38, 26 July 22
Quote from: TotO on 09:07, 26 July 22When the material to be produced depends on rare/obsolete circuits, the first thing to do is to secure them. Even before opening (pre)orders, to avoid long delays, anticipate price increases and above all not to cancel the project.

Examples of projects and components that I bought to start:
- X-MASS = 100x IDE Disk On Module
- PlayCity = 200x soundchips
- Play2CPC = 300x soundchips

It is not serious to offer an extension based on V9990 when it has close to no stock to manufacture them since 2019.

Of course, no one can know if a very common component (cpld, fpga, ram, flash, ..) is delayed with the current international situation. But in this case, it only requires redesigning the PCB or waiting some weeks for a restock.


I agree, it is one thing to unexpectedly not be able to source a modern, off-the-shelf component... But to presumably spin up an entire production run of boards and supporting material without knowing whether you have a supply of an out of production part? That doesn't seem sensible.

I do wonder what is going to happen to all our money now? I would have thought production of a low volume product like this to take several months if all the parts were available... To find out so many months later that a fundamental component could not be sourced???

Tecnobytes seems still reliable to me, but I do agree they screwed the pooch in this case.

>:(
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: pelrun on 09:29, 28 July 22
Don't treat them too harshly; they weren't planning to do another run but were pushed to do so by us. It's not really fair to expect them to be able to fulfill the order in the same timeframe as if the parts were readily available. Literally all they can do is wait indefinitely until they can find enough chips.
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: HigashiJun on 12:52, 28 July 22
Quote from: pelrun on 09:29, 28 July 22Don't treat them too harshly; they weren't planning to do another run but were pushed to do so by us. It's not really fair to expect them to be able to fulfill the order in the same timeframe as if the parts were readily available. Literally all they can do is wait indefinitely until they can find enough chips.

Yes , you're right.

But they could have told that the delivery forecast would be longer than 2 months and half.
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: TotO on 13:30, 28 July 22
I have nothing against Technobytes. As already said, I sold them 4x V9990 to allow to finish some MSX extensions (I have two left) in the past. I understand that was a request from guys here for a CPC batch and they've probably been trying to source the IC ever since. I have tried many places to get them for you since months without success.
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: JayBlood on 08:45, 30 July 22
@zhulien: In this case, can you contact Technobytes for a money refund for me? 
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: Skunkfish on 14:17, 31 July 22
I'm just really confused... They need to get 30 orders for a batch and then they don't have any IC's to fulfil them?

My first thought when I saw this thread was 'Wow, they've managed to source some more V9990's from somewhere'.

Sadly not....

If people drop out now and the number drops below their threshold, I guess the boards will never get made at all?
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: megatronuk on 23:24, 31 July 22
It's clearly not going to happen now, what with the difficulty that others have mentioned in terms of sourcing their own v9990 parts.

I still am amazed that they took the money without having a ready source of the chips on hand. Not being able to get the relevant FPGAs and other supporting parts like the ram I get - we are still only slowly coming out of the other side of all this chaos. But they should have known that if they didn't already have the v9990s, then it was unlikely that several new trays of them were going to mysteriously appear on the market.

Not one email to any buyers either. At least tell us and give the option of waiting indefinitely, or money back.
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: Prodatron on 13:50, 01 August 22
Maybe this guy grabbed all the remaining V9990 chips? :o

https://twitter.com/rafamsx/status/1532120163952254977
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: TotO on 14:42, 01 August 22
Some MSX peoples have probably old stock at home, bought years ago.
I can imagine the picture largest if he own more than 12 or 16 IC. ;D

EDIT: Sadly, it is just one more reference design project for MSX.
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: XeNoMoRPH on 21:03, 01 August 22
Quote from: Prodatron on 13:50, 01 August 22Maybe this guy grabbed all the remaining V9990 chips? :o

https://twitter.com/rafamsx/status/1532120163952254977
I have one of this V9K99 ordered hehe for msx2 😸😸
(https://i.postimg.cc/43ght9yC/IMG-20220801-220353-898.jpg)
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: TotO on 21:40, 01 August 22
The VGA connector over the cartridge shell looks weird. :-X
Do you know how many peoples have (pre)ordered it?
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: XeNoMoRPH on 06:21, 02 August 22
Quote from: TotO on 21:40, 01 August 22The VGA connector over the cartridge shell looks weird. :-X
Do you know how many peoples have (pre)ordered it?
I believe that out of 45 units, prototype on real machine :
(https://i.ibb.co/2n224td/proptas.png)



Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: megatronuk on 07:40, 02 August 22
Quote from: XeNoMoRPH on 21:03, 01 August 22
Quote from: Prodatron on 13:50, 01 August 22Maybe this guy grabbed all the remaining V9990 chips? :o

https://twitter.com/rafamsx/status/1532120163952254977
I have one of this V9K99 ordered hehe for msx2 😸😸
(https://i.postimg.cc/43ght9yC/IMG-20220801-220353-898.jpg)
I am guessing they are all allocated now, but if not, how did you get on the order list? If I can't get one from Technobytes  for the CPC, I would still like to find one for my HB-FX1DJ.
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: TotO on 07:53, 02 August 22
Quote from: XeNoMoRPH on 06:21, 02 August 22I believe that out of 45 units
Thank you.
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: XeNoMoRPH on 07:58, 02 August 22
Quote from: megatronuk on 07:40, 02 August 22
Quote from: XeNoMoRPH on 21:03, 01 August 22
Quote from: Prodatron on 13:50, 01 August 22Maybe this guy grabbed all the remaining V9990 chips? :o

https://twitter.com/rafamsx/status/1532120163952254977
I have one of this V9K99 ordered hehe for msx2 😸😸
 ---
I am guessing they are all allocated now, but if not, how did you get on the order list? If I can't get one from Technobytes  for the CPC, I would still like to find one for my HB-FX1DJ.
yes, they already have all the complete orders, this is the contact email, anyway, - info@z80workshop.com
I am using the Tecnobytes V9990 light MSX cartridge on my CPC thanks to the AMSDAP adapter, and I have bought a second V9K99 card, so as not to be removing and putting between the MSX and the Amstrad.


Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: Prodatron on 10:31, 02 August 22
Quote from: megatronuk on 07:40, 02 August 22I am guessing they are all allocated now, but if not, how did you get on the order list? If I can't get one from Technobytes  for the CPC, I would still like to find one for my HB-FX1DJ.
You can use any MSX V9990 card on the CPC as well, as Xeno said, you just need an AMSDAP card (http://www.tmtlogic.com/amsdap/AMSDAP42_manual-1.pdf) (I still have several in stock).

Btw, I also have ten V9990 CPC cards left from the first batch. I didn't mention this before, as I hoped the 2nd batch would become reality and I didn't want to disturb it by offering my spare cards.

I still hope, that the 2nd batch will finally happen, but if anyone is really interested in another CPC V9990 card which is already existing you can write me (jmika at prodatron dot net).
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: HigashiJun on 01:21, 04 August 22
Quote from: Prodatron on 10:31, 02 August 22
Quote from: megatronuk on 07:40, 02 August 22I am guessing they are all allocated now, but if not, how did you get on the order list? If I can't get one from Technobytes  for the CPC, I would still like to find one for my HB-FX1DJ.
You can use any MSX V9990 card on the CPC as well, as Xeno said, you just need an AMSDAP card (http://www.tmtlogic.com/amsdap/AMSDAP42_manual-1.pdf) (I still have several in stock).

Btw, I also have ten V9990 CPC cards left from the first batch. I didn't mention this before, as I hoped the 2nd batch would become reality and I didn't want to disturb it by offering my spare cards.

I still hope, that the 2nd batch will finally happen, but if anyone is really interested in another CPC V9990 card which is already existing you can write me (jmika at prodatron dot net).

Mail sent yesterday...

Hope you got it.

Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: zhulien on 06:32, 18 August 22
Hi Everyone, I received this email today after all this time.  Please post in here if you do not eventually get your FULL refund.

Dear buyers,
We hereby inform you that, for reasons beyond our control, we will not be able to produce the Powergraph CPC, and we will consequently refund your money which was sent to us in order to produce this board.
We have been buying the Yamaha V9990 chips (the Powergraph CPC's main chip) from the same supplier for years, and we have never had any problems. But recently we had several problems:
We always purchased V9990 chips in 24 pieces' lots (24, 48, 72 pieces, etc), and there was an adding cost to the shipping charge. During the last purchase, the supplier changed the rules: We would buy twice as many chips (a minimum of 48 chips) and the freight value was increased by 750%. Still, we accepted the proposal and paid all the money required.
After purchasing the V9990, we started to buy all the other items which is needed to assemble the Powergraph CPC: Capacitors, resistors, other chips, crystal, the printed circuit board... However, two weeks after the V9990 purchase, the supplier sent us an e-mail, telling that they changed again the selling conditions: Now we needed to buy 240 V9990 chips at the minimum (it increased by 500%), and the value of each chip was increased to more than the double. This made the purchase completely unfeasible.
We tried to negotiate with the supplier, but he was irreducible. He told us that the COVID-19 pandemic state and the invasion of Ukraine by Russia was a great impact into the whole world chip market.
So we canceled the V9990 purchase and asked for a money refund, but this process took months to get the money back into our hands. We looked after other suppliers, we sent e-mails requesting quotes, but the result was the same: a minimum of 240 parts and a very high cost per chip. So, we decided to cancel the Powergraph CPC's assemble and return all your money back.
However, we won't be able to return all the money back immediately. We spent a great amount of money buying all the material needed to produce the boards – as you may notice, the V9990 was the last thing we couldn't buy.
So we propose to return your money, divided into three portions:
  • 1st portion – 50% of the money – immediately.
  • 2nd portion – 25% of the money – in 30 days.
  • 3rd portion – 25% of the money – in 60 days.
Please send an e-mail to tecnobytesbrasil@gmail.com, confirming the acceptance of our return proposal. Please do this using your Paypal e-mail address.
Attached to this e-mail, there is a photo of all the material already purchased, including the PCBs.
Thank you for your confidence. We appreciate your comprehension, and we hope this problem will be fixed soon. We hope in the future we will be able to produce the Powergraph CPC board again at more realistic values.
Sincerely,
Tecnobytes
Rogério Belarmino 


Alpha Bits 
www.alphabits.com.br

Tecnobytes Classic Computers
www.tecnobytes.com.br

Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: zhulien on 06:41, 18 August 22
Hi Everyone, please pm me also when you get the refund payments in here, I will note it and track any that Tecnobytes has not made.  It is a sad case that they cannot come through with the card, but if they do refund us all back in full, that is reasonable in my view.

Also, if you are having difficulty finding your payment in your PAYPAL, likely it went to  Ricardo Oazem
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: teopl on 07:39, 18 August 22
This is too bad, but I understand them totally (Technobytes) - the chip problem is real (not sure if it's because the war in Ukraine - problem was there before the war also. I am also not sure that Covid can impact so much, maybe it's just preparation for WW3 :laugh: :o ).

They could buy everything before accepting offer, but they do not do this because of the money so I am just sad that we don't get the hardware.
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: pelrun on 07:51, 18 August 22
Yeah, it's definitely a case of someone in the supply chain profiteering - they're trying to offload all of their remaining stock at a ridiculous markup while the current market conditions give them an excuse.
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: TotO on 11:01, 18 August 22
Understand that all the "V9990" graphics cards use the same parts, ordering for the CPC or for the MSX. No special components are required only for you. The only change is the I/O address decoding (the reason you can use the MSX card with the @Prodatron adapter). So, that means they will probably stop to make the board for any system.

@zhulien I will return to you the previous V9990 for your own usage.
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: zhulien on 12:32, 18 August 22
Quote from: TotO on 11:01, 18 August 22@zhulien I will return to you the previous V9990 for your own usage.

no need as i have 2 more here, that was a gift, enjoy it :D
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: HigashiJun on 13:43, 18 August 22
Too bad, but as expected after this long delay.

:(
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: HigashiJun on 13:44, 18 August 22
Quote from: zhulien on 06:41, 18 August 22Hi Everyone, please pm me also when you get the refund payments in here, I will note it and track any that Tecnobytes has not made.  It is a sad case that they cannot come through with the card, but if they do refund us all back in full, that is reasonable in my view.

Also, if you are having difficulty finding your payment in your PAYPAL, likely it went to  Ricardo Oazem

Ok.

Cheers.

Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: megatronuk on 08:02, 19 August 22
So are they sending this refund email to everyone, or do we have to contact them first? So far I don't have any Comms from them at all.

Interestingly, theres a thread over on msx.org where a couple of people are designing an open source v9990 cart for the MSX, so if you were able to source a single chip yourself, the files are all there to get a cart PCB made up by one of the cheap PCB fabs, e.g. pcbway or similar.

Of course the problem in tracking down a single v9990 remains, but it's probably easier to do that than buy a tray of 24/48/72 like Technobytes has tried to do.
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: entelle42 on 15:44, 19 August 22
Quote from: Prodatron on 10:31, 02 August 22
Quote from: megatronuk on 07:40, 02 August 22I am guessing they are all allocated now, but if not, how did you get on the order list? If I can't get one from Technobytes  for the CPC, I would still like to find one for my HB-FX1DJ.
You can use any MSX V9990 card on the CPC as well, as Xeno said, you just need an AMSDAP card (http://www.tmtlogic.com/amsdap/AMSDAP42_manual-1.pdf) (I still have several in stock).

Btw, I also have ten V9990 CPC cards left from the first batch. I didn't mention this before, as I hoped the 2nd batch would become reality and I didn't want to disturb it by offering my spare cards.

I still hope, that the 2nd batch will finally happen, but if anyone is really interested in another CPC V9990 card which is already existing you can write me (jmika at prodatron dot net).
Hello @Prodatron mail sent. Best.
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: HigashiJun on 14:51, 20 August 22
Hope to get good new from Prodatron.

;)

Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: HigashiJun on 00:14, 21 August 22
Quote from: HigashiJun on 14:51, 20 August 22Hope to get good new from Prodatron.

;)



I meant "news"...

Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: Prodatron on 18:02, 21 August 22
Hi again, sorry, wasn't home for 2 weeks, I will answer soon!
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: megatronuk on 19:23, 21 August 22
I still didn't have an email from Tecnobytes about the refund/cancellation situation so I emailed their tecnobytesbrasil@gmail.com address but haven't received a reply yet.

Did anyone actually get an email other than zhulien?
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: HigashiJun on 23:05, 21 August 22
Quote from: Prodatron on 18:02, 21 August 22Hi again, sorry, wasn't home for 2 weeks, I will answer soon!
No worries !

:)

Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: HigashiJun on 23:06, 21 August 22
Quote from: megatronuk on 19:23, 21 August 22I still didn't have an email from Tecnobytes about the refund/cancellation situation so I emailed their tecnobytesbrasil@gmail.com address but haven't received a reply yet.

Did anyone actually get an email other than zhulien?

Nothing here, but I guess we will have to wait a bit before they start to refund.

Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: Edoz(MSX) on 09:47, 22 August 22
It is really a pain that TechnoBytes was not able to do an other batch despite they are tried there best and did all the investment. Let's hope in future it will be better again!

It is sad to read that prices er going so high currently in the chip industry.
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: Prodatron on 12:02, 22 August 22
I did now reply to the requests, I hope I didn't forget someone?
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: entelle42 on 13:54, 22 August 22
Quote from: Prodatron on 12:02, 22 August 22I did now reply to the requests, I hope I didn't forget someone?
Hello, may be me :) MP sent
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: teopl on 20:42, 23 August 22
Quote from: Prodatron on 12:02, 22 August 22I did now reply to the requests, I hope I didn't forget someone?
Please also include me if possible, I sent you email!
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: Emu on 19:51, 25 August 22
Has anyone seen this? Perhaps they will also be able to design a CPC card?

https://github.com/cristianoag/trh9000 (https://github.com/cristianoag/trh9000)
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: megatronuk on 00:04, 26 August 22
Quote from: Emu on 19:51, 25 August 22Has anyone seen this? Perhaps they will also be able to design a CPC card?

https://github.com/cristianoag/trh9000 (https://github.com/cristianoag/trh9000)

Yes, discussion thread here:

https://www.msx.org/forum/msx-talk/hardware/trh9000-the-yamaha-v9990-based-open-source-video-card-for-the-msx

It's a good idea - even if you don't have ready access to ICs you could build the rest of the cart yourself.
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: Luis_CPC on 08:16, 03 September 22
Quote from: Prodatron on 12:02, 22 August 22I did now reply to the requests, I hope I didn't forget someone?
I got not reply in my emails, please check out LMPAZOS77@gmail.com

Thanks
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: megatronuk on 21:58, 03 September 22
Quote from: zhulien on 06:41, 18 August 22Hi Everyone, please pm me also when you get the refund payments in here, I will note it and track any that Tecnobytes has not made.  It is a sad case that they cannot come through with the card, but if they do refund us all back in full, that is reasonable in my view.

Also, if you are having difficulty finding your payment in your PAYPAL, likely it went to  Ricardo Oazem

Several weeks on and I still haven't had any emails from them, nor any acknowledgement of the email I sent quoting the refund option they offered to you, nor any notification of any refund to my PayPal account.

Has anyone had any comms, regarding either the refund options, a confirmation that they will be getting a refund, or an actual refund?
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: HigashiJun on 01:00, 04 September 22
Quote from: megatronuk on 21:58, 03 September 22
Quote from: zhulien on 06:41, 18 August 22Hi Everyone, please pm me also when you get the refund payments in here, I will note it and track any that Tecnobytes has not made.  It is a sad case that they cannot come through with the card, but if they do refund us all back in full, that is reasonable in my view.

Also, if you are having difficulty finding your payment in your PAYPAL, likely it went to  Ricardo Oazem

Several weeks on and I still haven't had any emails from them, nor any acknowledgement of the email I sent quoting the refund option they offered to you, nor any notification of any refund to my PayPal account.

Has anyone had any comms, regarding either the refund options, a confirmation that they will be getting a refund, or an actual refund?


Nothing here too...
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: zhulien on 17:39, 05 September 22
I have nothing too yet, obviously their definition of 'immediately' differs to most people.
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: zhulien on 19:42, 10 September 22
I got a vague email from them and have requested clarification. Their communication is just not good enough.

Quote-------- Original message --------
From: julian <julian@>
Date: 11/9/22 4:33 am (GMT+10:00)
To: Tecnobytes Classic Computers <tecnobytesbrasil@>
Subject: Re: Invoice from Ricardo Oazem (0206)
Hi, does that mean you have done it and its not yet here or you haven't done it?
-------- Original message --------
From: Tecnobytes Classic Computers <tecnobytesbrasil@>
Date: 7/9/22 10:40 am (GMT+10:00)
To: julian <julian@>
Subject: Re: Invoice from Ricardo Oazem (0206)
Hi Julian
We apologize for the delay, we are dependent on paypal to return the 50% as agreed.
Be Safe
Best Regards
Team Tecnobytes 

Em seg., 5 de set. de 2022 às 13:43, julian  escreveu:
QuoteHi Tecnobytes
Everyone who paid for these cards in the cpc forums although disappointed the card is cancelled is now worried about their refund. 50% immediately? Please look up what immediately means.
Regards
Julian
 

Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: HigashiJun on 22:32, 10 September 22
Quote from: zhulien on 19:42, 10 September 22I got a vague email from them and have requested clarification. Their communication is just not good enough.

Quote-------- Original message --------
From: julian <julian@>
Date: 11/9/22 4:33 am (GMT+10:00)
To: Tecnobytes Classic Computers <tecnobytesbrasil@>
Subject: Re: Invoice from Ricardo Oazem (0206)
Hi, does that mean you have done it and its not yet here or you haven't done it?
-------- Original message --------
From: Tecnobytes Classic Computers <tecnobytesbrasil@>
Date: 7/9/22 10:40 am (GMT+10:00)
To: julian <julian@>
Subject: Re: Invoice from Ricardo Oazem (0206)
Hi Julian
We apologize for the delay, we are dependent on paypal to return the 50% as agreed.
Be Safe
Best Regards
Team Tecnobytes

Em seg., 5 de set. de 2022 às 13:43, julian  escreveu:
QuoteHi Tecnobytes
Everyone who paid for these cards in the cpc forums although disappointed the card is cancelled is now worried about their refund. 50% immediately? Please look up what immediately means.
Regards
Julian
 

It seems like they are trying to save time before refunding (provided they really want to refund us)...

Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: HigashiJun on 22:36, 10 September 22
My message doesn't seem to appear when I quote Zhulien's one, so here it is:

It seems like they are trying to save time before refunding (provided they really want to refund us)...
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: megatronuk on 17:40, 11 September 22
Quote from: HigashiJun on 22:36, 10 September 22My message doesn't seem to appear when I quote Zhulien's one, so here it is:

It seems like they are trying to save time before refunding (provided they really want to refund us)...

Still nothing at all from them. It's really not good enough - it takes less than 10 minutes to write an email and bcc anyone who was in the order list; the refund may take longer, but if you can't even manage to email people who have paid you money, then you really shouldn't be doing business.
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: Neurox66 on 17:56, 11 September 22
Hi Zhulian,
you're lucky, at least you got an answer  :D :D ;) ;)
I wrote three times to Technobytes to get my money back but they never replied.
:( :( :(
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: zhulien on 13:44, 12 September 22
@Neurox66 I have had to email them multiple times to get an answer.  Rogerio is also in my Facebook but he doesn't reply 80% of the time... I messaged him again in there.
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: JayBlood on 23:05, 12 September 22
Nothing here too. >:(
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: Neurox66 on 18:16, 13 September 22
Hi Zhulian,
you're right, you had to persevere a little. 
I received an email from Technobytes a few minutes ago  :D :D :D 
They were very kind.
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: HigashiJun on 22:16, 13 September 22
Quote from: Neurox66 on 18:16, 13 September 22Hi Zhulian,
you're right, you had to persevere a little.
I received an email from Technobytes a few minutes ago  :D :D :D
They were very kind.

It's good to be nice, but they should be more professional IMHO.

So, any good news ?


Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: valfac on 13:37, 15 September 22
Here no news or reply from the refund's emal :(
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: megatronuk on 21:21, 15 September 22
Nothing from them here, either.

I have now sent my third email to them. I don't expect to get any reply to that one, to be honest - in all my dealings with them I have not had one confirmation of a message I have sent, not even a 'we got your invoice payment'.

Shocking comms and customer interaction.

It is looking like that money is simply gone and we are not going to get it back.
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: JayBlood on 23:13, 15 September 22
I received total refund today, on my Paypal account. Done for me. ;)
I'm glad is the same issue for everybody who participate on this batch. :)
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: ajcasado on 00:59, 16 September 22
Quote from: JayBlood on 23:13, 15 September 22I received total refund today, on my Paypal account. Done for me. ;)
I'm glad is the same issue for everybody who participate on this batch. :)
I also received the full refund today.
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: HigashiJun on 04:31, 16 September 22
Refund in full received here too.

:)
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: Neurox66 on 06:11, 16 September 22
I've received full refund yesterday  :D
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: megatronuk on 07:37, 16 September 22
I also just received a full refund. 

What a shame it had to come to a barrage of complaint emails to get any movement on this.
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: HigashiJun on 08:07, 16 September 22
Quote from: megatronuk on 07:37, 16 September 22I also just received a full refund.

What a shame it had to come to a barrage of complaint emails to get any movement on this.

Sure, but we finally got our refund and that's the most important thing.

Thanks again to @zhulien for his involvement, even if there's no happy ending to this story.






Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: Poliander on 08:14, 16 September 22
I also received a refund yesterday.
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: pelrun on 09:21, 16 September 22
Quote from: megatronuk on 07:37, 16 September 22What a shame it had to come to a barrage of complaint emails to get any movement on this.

Old man yells at cloudy sky for a week, weather then clears up. Old man then claims that sun only came out because of his yelling...  ::)
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: megatronuk on 12:27, 16 September 22
Who you calling old?  ;D
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: Skunkfish on 14:22, 16 September 22
Ignore this post!
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: Skunkfish on 14:23, 16 September 22
Ignore this post!
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: zhulien on 18:19, 16 September 22
Hi Everyone,

I have a reply from Tecnobytes today, and it says everyone has been refunded in full.  I can see their refund invoice was made on the 15th September - myself cannot see the money yet, but PAYPAL 'says' it is refunded - just neither in my bank, nor PAYPAL credit yet.

The following forum members I have been notified as having been refunded:

  • zhulien
  • Neurox66
  • craem
  • Richard_Lloyd
  • Edoz(MSX)
  • AnakinTF
  • chilli_taff
  • Poliander
  • valfac
  • Evildead666
  • HigashiJun
  • Joseman
  • LewisCPC
  • Proteus
  • Luis_CPC
  • ajcasado
  • OncleCed
  • franck2
  • teopl
  • JayBlood
  • Skunkfish
  • Amsasm
  • megatronuk
  • Jay1x
  • kawickboy

If anyone in that list does not get a refund in full, please raise it in this forum.

Sadly things didn't work out for any of us, I am glad the refunds are coming through though.

I wonder if someone else in this forum (perhaps @TotO) would want to make a Graphics card if all of us pledged to buy?  At least we know there were 25 people here who paid US$150 to have such a card, that is close to US$4000.
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: zhulien on 18:21, 16 September 22
This was Tecnobytes with apology reply:

QuoteHi Julian

We are sorry for all that happened, but we were finally able to resolve it with Paypal, the full Paypal return receipt is attached.
We apologize for any inconvenience that was beyond our control.
And we at Tecnobytes thank you all for your understanding


Be Safe
Best Regards
Team Tecnobytes

Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: Richard_Lloyd on 20:13, 17 September 22
My refund 'arrived' a couple of days ago but the money actually re-appeared in my bank account today so all OK.

Thanks to @zhulien again for taking the time and trouble to get us all together!!!
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: chilli_taff on 13:16, 20 September 22
I had my refund over the weekend.  Hopefully others will get theirs soon

Cheers
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: zhulien on 16:03, 20 September 22
I received my refund on 19th (it's dated that but I couldn't see it until 20th).
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: kawickboy on 14:17, 22 September 22
Refund OK.
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: Evildead666 on 21:25, 24 September 22
Refunded OK here too
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: crisag on 15:21, 03 August 23
Hi there. I'm resurfacing this post to let you all know that I secured a box of V9990 chips and I'm now producing a cartridge for the MSX line of computers. If you are still interested I have units available for immediate shipping at  Shop – The Retro Hacker (https://theretrohacker.com/shop/)

All purchases are secured by PayPal buyers insurance and there is no pre-payment to have the cartridges. They are all built, tested and ready to go.

Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: zhulien on 04:13, 04 August 23
Quote from: crisag on 15:21, 03 August 23Hi there. I'm resurfacing this post to let you all know that I secured a box of V9990 chips and I'm now producing a cartridge for the MSX line of computers. If you are still interested I have units available for immediate shipping at  Shop – The Retro Hacker (https://theretrohacker.com/shop/)

All purchases are secured by PayPal buyers insurance and there is no pre-payment to have the cartridges. They are all built, tested and ready to go.


Hi Crisag, do you have an ebay account that you can message me from?  my ebay account is gamekidz .

Thanks, Julian
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: zhulien on 04:16, 04 August 23
Quote from: crisag on 15:21, 03 August 23Hi there. I'm resurfacing this post to let you all know that I secured a box of V9990 chips and I'm now producing a cartridge for the MSX line of computers. If you are still interested I have units available for immediate shipping at  Shop – The Retro Hacker (https://theretrohacker.com/shop/)

All purchases are secured by PayPal buyers insurance and there is no pre-payment to have the cartridges. They are all built, tested and ready to go.


I notice you also have quite a few other cards - which of them use only I/O's to communicate with the MSX and do you have programming info on each that do?  I am guessing you haven't tested them yet on an Amstrad CPC with AMSDAP?
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: crisag on 13:07, 04 August 23
I haven't had the chance to test any of the cartridges on an Amstrad CPC with AMSDAP, as those computers are not common in my area.

The Wozblaster Reloaded is an open-source clone of the Moonsound cartridge, utilizing IO ports 7Eh~7Fh to activate the Yamaha YMF278 chip. This allows it to synthesize FM and PCM with wave-based instruments (wave table). The TRH9000 is an open-source clone of the GFX9000 and utilizes IO ports 60h~6Fh to coordinate access to the Yamaha V9990 VDP.

Both of these cartridges are relatively straightforward in their use of IO ports, and I don't anticipate any issues with compatibility with AMSDAP, provided you have software specifically created for the chips/carts.

In addition to these, I also manufacture the MSXUSB and the Obsonet Reloaded. The MSXUSB uses ports 10-11 for communication, while the Obsonet doesn't rely on IO ports but instead operates on a memory/register-based system, as described here: konamiman.com/msx/obsonet/onetm-e.txt. Issue with those two is that they have a specific BIOS to allow proper interface with the MSX, so I don't think they are good candidates for AMSTRAD lovers... unless you're up to a software development challenge.

The Carnivore2 is a well-known project within the MSX community, and I have proper authorization to manufacture and distribute the cartridges. It's a versatile compilation of multiple add-ons for the MSX, including additional PSG, memory expansion, SCC/SCC+, FM, and flashROM, among others. While it does use IO ports for some of its features, it's not suitable for attempting to run on an AMSTRAD system IMHO.
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: zhulien on 18:48, 04 August 23
Thanks @crisag for the ebay message.

For others who haven't heard of your company i can vouch that you have a good positive 100% ebay rating.

With the graphics card and the wozblaster, do they use the same ports as the tecnobytes v9990 card and moonstone cards?

I am interested in a v9990 card for my msx, but I also have an amsdap for which to verify it works on the amstrad if others want to buy one for their amstrads.

Do you know what approx postage cost is to Melbourne Australia?
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: crisag on 21:59, 04 August 23
Thanks Julian.

My passion lies in electronics and retro computers, which not only serve as hobbies but also help me to make more friends. While it is not my primary occupation, I dedicate part of my time to open-source projects, where all the earnings are reinvested into new ventures. All the source files to create those carts are available on GitHub.

My boards were designed to use the same ports as those used in Moonsound and GFX9000, ensuring full compatibility. Though I may lack specific insights into technobytes projects, they too are clones of the original cards. Rest assured, my cartridges function flawlessly with software created for the original boards.

I don't have any agreements with shipping companies, so I rely on standard postal services. The store features a module to calculate shipping costs, and for deliveries to ANZ, the charge is 38 USD for up to 4 cartridges.

Cristiano
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: Prodatron on 11:55, 06 August 23
Quote from: crisag on 21:59, 04 August 23My boards were designed to use the same ports as those used in Moonsound and GFX9000, ensuring full compatibility.
I already tested 3 different MSX Moonsound versions (Sunrise, Tecnobytes, a spanish one) and 2 different MSX GFX9000 versions (Sunrise, TMTLogic) on the Amstrad CPC with Amsdap and SymbOS/SymAmp, they were all working fine, so I guess this will be the same for your cards as well, if MSX software is running without issues :)
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: HAL6128 on 12:11, 06 August 23
@Prodatron: Haven't you already written a music player within SymbOS support for the OPL4 chips?
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: Prodatron on 14:38, 06 August 23
Yes, SymAmp supports the OPL2 (Willy board)/OPL3/OPL4 (Moonsound and compatible).

Currently Amiga MOD files are supported for the wavetable part of the OPL4:


The SymAmp plugin has been written by Maarten Loor/NOP (MSX).

For the FM part of the OPL2 (still included in OPL4) there is SA2 module support (Adlib Tracker II):


Originally MadRam converted the x86 player (which is very crappy) to Z80 for CPC-ISA, PulkoMandy made a WillyBoard adaption, and later I rewrote and debugged it and added most missing effects.

What is currently missing is a VGM player for full OPL3 support.
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: HAL6128 on 18:08, 09 August 23
Quote from: crisag on 13:07, 04 August 23The Wozblaster Reloaded is an open-source clone of the Moonsound cartridge, utilizing IO ports 7Eh~7Fh to activate the Yamaha YMF278 chip. This allows it to synthesize FM and PCM with wave-based instruments (wave table). 
Does it also utilise the IO ports &C4-&C6 for the FM banks?
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: crisag on 18:23, 09 August 23
Yes. As any Moonsound clone. It is 100% compatible with the original specification, except that the version I currently have has 1Mb of sample memory. The original Moonsound I guess had 128K or something like that. 
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: darkhalf on 00:57, 12 August 23
@Prodatron received my boards thankyou!

At the moment I am using an ebay HD9800 converter (so VGA from the GFX9000 card to this and then GVA to the LCD TV) which works fine. I plan to wire the VGA connector straight to SCART on my Amiga monitor (15khz) next up

I did have some questions about the configuration files for these. I am using an M4 board with latest file system and applications.

1. When copying the GFX9000 SYMBOS files over the original ones (I ended up making another folder in the end to run both instances) when initially booting up, no files were found. So I manually ran the cp.exe Control Panel and modified the file from A: to C:\symbos to get things working again



Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: darkhalf on 01:00, 12 August 23
After doing this, the base applications would execute, but there were no applications shortcuts in the menus. I've added some manually

I've noted there are separate symg9k.ini (root folder) and symbg9xt.ini (symbos folder) used instead. What is the difference between the two of these (what are they used for?)

2. Can I copy the non-9k INI over these as a starting point, or will that break things?

3. Is it possible to get wall paper working with the GX9000 version?

4. After I installed the Moonsound OPL4 board, it only initially showed up with 'Moonsound OPL4 (1024kb)' per picture in the standard Symbos 3.1 version, but I noticed after using GX9000 Symbos version, it also shows MP3MSX compatible. Is this correct? When I tried to play an MP3 there is no sound output
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: HAL6128 on 10:23, 12 August 23
The OPL4 doesn't play a MP3 file.

But it would be interesting question if it is capable of, because it has its own processor?
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: Prodatron on 11:55, 12 August 23
Hey this looks great! :) I am glad, that it arrived and you got a working solution for the video signal!

Interesting that your CPC464 is detected as a 6128. Did you replace the firmware rom?


Quote from: darkhalf on 01:00, 12 August 23I've noted there are separate symg9k.ini (root folder) and symbg9xt.ini (symbos folder) used instead. What is the difference between the two of these (what are they used for?)

2. Can I copy the non-9k INI over these as a starting point, or will that break things?
The INI in the root is for SymbOS itself. Basically everything you see in the Control Panel.
The *XT.INI is for the extended desktop, which you get, when you activate "load SymbOS extensions" on systems with RAM expansions. The extended desktop replaces the basic desktop with more features, desktop widgest, nearly unlimited icons and nested startmenu entries including subfolders.
It is possible to copy a non-9k ini over a 9k ini, but first turn off the wallpaper (the wall paper loading routine is mimimal and doesn't check if it's a correct one), and after this you should set the correct screen resolution, as the g9k has different screen modes compared to the internal CPC graphic (better make a backup of the INI first).


Quote from: darkhalf on 01:00, 12 August 233. Is it possible to get wall paper working with the GX9000 version?
Yes, you can use any 512x212 SGX file with 4 or 16 colours, like the one you displayed with SymSee.
I will post a link to a larger collection later.


Quote from: darkhalf on 01:00, 12 August 234. After I installed the Moonsound OPL4 board, it only initially showed up with 'Moonsound OPL4 (1024kb)' per picture in the standard Symbos 3.1 version, but I noticed after using GX9000 Symbos version, it also shows MP3MSX compatible. Is this correct? When I tried to play an MP3 there is no sound output
Ops, that's wrong. You need an MP3MSX compatible device, but the OPL4 is something completely different (MoonSound has been released in 1994, while the MP3 extension was introduced in 1995). Strange, that it is detected with the g9k version. I have to check this.

@HAL6128: The OPL4 is in fact
- an OPL3 (which is again an Adlib/OPL2 FM synthesis device with the double amount of channels and new possibilities for combining signals)
- a PCM sound device with wavetable ram/rom and 24 PCM channels similiar to the good old Gravis Ultrasound.
It has no "intelligent" processor.
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: Prodatron on 12:20, 12 August 23
Quote from: darkhalf on 01:00, 12 August 23Also is it difficult to convert the GFX9000 Symbos files into bootable ROM files, like what you have for standard CPC symbos?
My idea was, that everyone with a GFX9000 will have a mass storage as well, and so there is no need for a special G9K rom boot version. The new normal and g9k versions of SymbOS CPC do have both a compact two file loader which could be placed in the root without messing it up too much.


Quote from: darkhalf on 01:00, 12 August 23The main issue is that I can only have the monitor connected to either CPC output or GFX output at a time. To run symbos manualy (from M4 board) means blindly typing |SYM into the correct folder (or switching outputs whist live from CPC to GFX) ome manually
Both your CPC and the G9K use the same input of your monitor?
I am using a scart switch (both my CPC and G9K end in a scart connector), which is very useful.
I saw, that there are VGA switches, too.
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: Prodatron on 13:12, 12 August 23
Quote from: Prodatron on 11:55, 12 August 23Yes, you can use any 512x212 SGX file with 4 or 16 colours, like the one you displayed with SymSee.
I will post a link to a larger collection later.
Here is a nice collection of 512x212x16 SGX pictures created by EdoZ:

http://symbos.de/download/pictures-edo-16.zip

(gif/bmp versions included)

sym-wallpapers.jpg
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: HAL6128 on 14:45, 12 August 23
Hey cool. Thanks. Are those pictures for the B3 mode of the V9990? Does that SGX format has a header and colour information/ table in it? Or is it a compressed data?
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: darkhalf on 16:38, 12 August 23
QuoteInteresting that your CPC464 is detected as a 6128. Did you replace the firmware rom?
Yes I've replaced the 464 ROM with an EPROM (but can also do it with the M4)


QuoteStrange, that it is detected with the g9k version
Agreed. Didn't see it when I started with the OPL4


QuoteYes, you can use any 512x212 SGX file with 4 or 16 colours, like the one you displayed with SymSee.
Thanks heaps for posting these. Will give it a shot


QuoteBoth your CPC and the G9K use the same input of your monitor?
At the moment I only have one CTM which is on the 464 plus. The other two CTMs are waiting flyback parts to arrive   :(

So the GB8900 takes VGA input / RGB+sync (CPC) inputs. They would both be internally connected together. All good, I should have the monitors back working hopefully soon. Cheers for the comprehensive input. Agreed it looks great
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: Prodatron on 18:09, 13 August 23
Quote from: HAL6128 on 14:45, 12 August 23Hey cool. Thanks. Are those pictures for the B3 mode of the V9990? Does that SGX format has a header and colour information/ table in it? Or is it a compressed data?
Yes, they are all for V9990 B3 mode with 4bpp.

The SGX format is described here:
https://www.cpcwiki.eu/index.php/Format:SGX_(SymbOS_graphic_files)

SymbOS is using a fixed standard palette in 16 colour mode (see article), otherwise you would have chaos on the screen when running multiple apps with different palettes. But as you can see the palette has been quite optimized for displaying all kind of graphics/pictures and is fully CPC o.G. compatible.

In SymbOS 4.0 SGX files (beside many other file types) can be optionally compressed (ZX0). This is described in the article as well. The collection by EdoZ would be crunched from 9,991,936 bytes down to 4,814,537 bytes (48%) which is similiar to ZIP.
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: darkhalf on 13:51, 11 November 23
Been hunting around for some software to view/convert SGX 

Best one so far is DaDither
https://www.msx.org/forum/msx-talk/development/dadither-another-one-img2msx-tool?page=0 (https://www.msx.org/forum/msx-talk/development/dadither-another-one-img2msx-tool?page=0)

Other viewers are
https://www.msx.org/downloads/related/graphics/msxview (https://www.msx.org/downloads/related/graphics/msxview)
https://www.teambomba.net/viewmsx.html (https://www.teambomba.net/viewmsx.html)

There is also a plugin for GIMP on the MSX forum but mileage may vary since the above viewers use 256x212x16 colour screen format, but SGX is 512x212x 4 or 16 colours 
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: Prodatron on 23:19, 14 November 23
Thanks a lot @darkhalf, I didn't know most of these tools before.

Today I found this as well, how you can convert pictures to the SymbOS SGX format:

https://marmsx.msxall.com/msxvw/msxvw5/tutorial/symbos_en.php

I will release some Python tools soon for gfx conversion as well, but of course it's always nice to have such completed tools.
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: darkhalf on 11:10, 15 November 23
@Prodatron that is good you found this one. I haven't had much time to try them out, but so far found out as they made a G9B format which was different to SGX format that symbos uses (all file sizes are 54KB for SGX 16 colour)
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