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Title: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: zhulien on 02:35, 06 September 21
Hi Everyone,


This thread is to track those who would like a new Tecnobytes V9990 Graphics card (MX4 version) for their Amstrad CPC.

http://www.tecnobytes.com.br/p/v9990-powergraph_10.html (http://www.tecnobytes.com.br/p/v9990-powergraph_10.html)


Tecnobytes has stated if they get 30 orders minimum for a batch, they can do a batch.

The Price:  USD $115 + shipping

If you want more than 1 for a next batch, please post here.  I will try summarise.


This is what they look like from the previous batch:




Title: Re: Technobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: zhulien on 02:40, 06 September 21

The below users would like a new v9990 graphics card in Mother X4 configuration:


(Details received via PM)



(Pending Details)

Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: craem on 09:33, 06 September 21
one for me :D
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: Joseman on 09:59, 06 September 21
Hi Everyone,


This thread is to track those who would like a new Tecnobytes V9990 Graphics card (MX4 version) for their Amstrad CPC.

http://www.tecnobytes.com.br/p/v9990-powergraph_10.html (http://www.tecnobytes.com.br/p/v9990-powergraph_10.html)


Tecnobytes has stated if they get 30 orders minimum for a batch, they can do a batch.

As I get more info I will update here - such as the pricing I am still waiting on.


If you want more than 1 for a next batch, please post here.  I will try summarise.
Hi!
what will be the price of the card? (more or less)
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: HigashiJun on 10:46, 06 September 21
As stated in the previous related thread, I am in for one.
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: zhulien on 12:19, 06 September 21
Hi!
what will be the price of the card? (more or less)


I am still waiting for them to tell me that.  So i have left the poll open for you to change your answer - i think (lock voting option?).
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: TotO on 13:38, 06 September 21
I'm not interrested, because there is no DIN passthrough to plug it on the same display as the CPC.
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: Richard_Lloyd on 15:32, 06 September 21
Yes please, one for me - subject to price.


I'm in the UK, where do they ship from? Will the price show shipping?


Thank you for your effort.
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: Trebmint on 15:34, 06 September 21
There is the monitor issue with the technobytes g9k card. I know that Prodatron still has a batch of a dozen or so that he's never passed because of this issue.
This issue needs to be sorted before more are made I think.


However would love to see more g9ks on the CPC as the software is now starting to come :)
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: ago on 16:43, 06 September 21
Hi!!
I am interested in the card, but I have some doubts. What are those monitor problems which some of you are talking about?? And, would I need two different screens??
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: DoctorCPC on 18:05, 06 September 21
I want to buy one  v9999 card for rsf3.  It must Work with rsf3. Im from İstanbul. My whatsapp number +905554983655
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: zhulien on 18:13, 06 September 21
I'm not interrested, because there is no DIN passthrough to plug it on the same display as the CPC.


I will certainly pass on your feedback.
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: zhulien on 18:16, 06 September 21
There is the monitor issue with the technobytes g9k card. I know that Prodatron still has a batch of a dozen or so that he's never passed because of this issue.
This issue needs to be sorted before more are made I think.


Can you get more info on this issue?
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: Edoz(MSX) on 18:37, 06 September 21
The card only supports 15 khz analog RGB signal. (over SCART) So your monitor needs to support this. So in a way there is no issue with the card, but can be a bit hard to find a working monitor for it. See also here some info. http://15khz.wikidot.com/ (http://15khz.wikidot.com/) This is just to the fact the Brazilian card is not supporting the standard SCART TV signal, as in brazil they do not know SCART like we do in Europe. (It is more a standard thing in Europe)
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: Luis_CPC on 18:44, 06 September 21
Hello, one for me please.
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: XeNoMoRPH on 09:45, 07 September 21
I bought the V9990 Light MSX version, a year or so ago more or less, otherwise I would be delighted to participate, but I like that people are interested in the card so that more people have it, so we can get things done, now that we have the Quigs Q9k   :D
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: OncleCed on 10:24, 07 September 21
Hello ! One for me !!!  :D 8)
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: ajcasado on 10:57, 07 September 21
Hi, I also want one for me.
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: zhulien on 14:27, 07 September 21
I bought the V9990 Light MSX version, a year or so ago more or less, otherwise I would be delighted to participate, but I like that people are interested in the card so that more people have it, so we can get things done, now that we have the Quigs Q9k   :D


I agree too, actually i have a couple already but i am happy to get one more.  Ideally i hope there is enough people with them to make games worthwhile.  I do wish it had a monitor passthrough to make it simpler to use.


about 3 days we have 10 interested people already, let's hope we get to 30 legitimate expressions of interest soon.
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: pelrun on 16:19, 07 September 21
Which reminds me I was partway through the process of modifying mine to add a passthrough, I should probably pick that back up.
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: DoctorCPC on 19:20, 07 September 21
I want to v9990 (1 unit) please add me buying list
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: JayBlood on 14:50, 08 September 21
Good new! If already possible, one unit for me. ;)
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: teopl on 18:00, 08 September 21
Is is possible to have MSX V9990? I have AMSDAP42 and I would like to use it with this card?

In any case - count me in for 1. (I hope MSX version)
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: zhulien on 02:31, 09 September 21
Is is possible to have MSX V9990? I have AMSDAP42 and I would like to use it with this card?

In any case - count me in for 1. (I hope MSX version)


If you check their website, it appears they just closed the current batch of MSX cards but you can of course leave your name for a future batch. 

Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: Poliander on 18:21, 09 September 21
Please count me in for one, thank you!
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: HigashiJun on 05:32, 12 September 21
Cone on, guys !

Just 15 fellows ?

 :(
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: roudoudou on 09:05, 12 September 21
Cone on, guys !
Just 15 fellows ?
 :(
is there any software for V9990 since 5 years the card is used on CPC?

Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: Joseman on 09:12, 12 September 21
Cone on, guys !

Just 15 fellows ?

 :(
I want one, but i'm waiting for the price, because i'm a little short of money.
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: Joseman on 09:15, 12 September 21
is there any software for V9990 since 5 years the card is used on CPC?
Some cool projects are being made with quigs.
And even the Symbos version that run this software hasn't been released (I think)
Sure 30+ owners of the card will speed up things

It's a matter of time in my opinion.
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: HigashiJun on 09:33, 12 September 21
Some cool projects are being made with quigs.
And even the Symbos version that run this software hasn't been released (I think)
Sure 30+ owners of the card will speed up things

It's a matter of time in my opinion.

Yes, let's hope and fingers crossed.

 ;)
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: TotO on 11:01, 12 September 21
@Joseman (https://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=135) The V9990 was originally intended for the MSX3, but the machine was canceled. The first video card to use it appeared around 1992 and for almost 30 years you can count on the fingers of your hand the amount of projects carried out for the legitimate machine in its day.

Even SymbOS is satisfied with a 16-color mode for "compatibility" which does not take advantage of its real specificities.
Also, I doubt that it is on CPC that its use comes to life when the circuit is hardly available for some time.

For fans of video game creation, there is the Mega Drive which costs less than the card, with a magnificent game library and very advanced development tools for beginners who want to have fun with its big sister Yamaha VDP.  :)
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: Trebmint on 20:31, 13 September 21
@Joseman (https://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=135) The V9990 was originally intended for the MSX3, but the machine was canceled. The first video card to use it appeared around 1992 and for almost 30 years you can count on the fingers of your hand the amount of projects carried out for the legitimate machine in its day.

Even SymbOS is satisfied with a 16-color mode for "compatibility" which does not take advantage of its real specificities.
Also, I doubt that it is on CPC that its use comes to life when the circuit is hardly available for some time.

For fans of video game creation, there is the Mega Drive which costs less than the card, with a magnificent game library and very advanced development tools for beginners who want to have fun with its big sister Yamaha VDP.  :)
Quigs g9k developer should be released near the end of this month, which allows cross development of g9k games on symbos. Edo has already got Flappy bird [size=78%]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTOV4d5Eq4E (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTOV4d5Eq4E)[/size][/size][size=78%]  working using Quigs and more is to follow. The plan is to make developing so easy that people have a go, and perhaps we the g9k will get some software after all these years[/size]
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: TotO on 20:41, 13 September 21
Well... I agree since the begin that offering a common graphic solution for SymbOS allows to have universal applications on it. Now, I thing the V9990 is not the good choice compared to the V9938/58 VDP for that usage (opening all the MSX 1/2 games to our computer). Flappy Bird? :-\
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: Trebmint on 21:43, 13 September 21
Well... I agree since the begin that offering a common graphic solution for SymbOS allows to have universal applications on it. Now, I thing the V9990 is not the good choice compared to the V9938/58 VDP for that usage (opening all the MSX 1/2 games to our computer). Flappy Bird? :-\
There's already hundreds of MSX2 games, so why bother?
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: TotO on 23:32, 13 September 21
There's already hundreds of MSX2 games, so why bother?
They are around 100 games dedicated to the MSX2, but that is not the question...

The question is about a common graphic chip for "universal" SymbOS programs on MSX/CPC and the best to acheive that is to use the MSX2 VDP because many great programs can be adapted to run on MSX1 and CPC in this way.
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: Trebmint on 00:50, 14 September 21
They are around 100 games dedicated to the MSX2, but that is not the question...

The question is about a common graphic chip for "universal" SymbOS programs on MSX/CPC and the best to acheive that is to use the MSX2 VDP because many great programs can be adapted to run on MSX1 and CPC in this way.
The hardware and software already exists. I don't see the point in stopping and starting to downgrade the specs.
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: TotO on 01:01, 14 September 21
The hardware and software already exists. I don't see the point in stopping and starting to downgrade the specs.
I don't said to stop anything, but that was not a best choice to select the MSX3 VDP for this usage, as explain previously.
Now, it is perfect if SymbOS users are happy with the V9990 and games like flappy bird comming on it. Have fun.
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: zhulien on 05:37, 14 September 21
I want one, but i'm waiting for the price, because i'm a little short of money.


USD $115 + shipping
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: pelrun on 07:47, 14 September 21
I'd suggest asking if they can make a minor revision on any new run and break out the YS, VRESET and HRESET (oh and gnd/5v is probably a really good idea) pins to their own header, if that's feasible. Then it will be a lot easier to add-on a passthrough board afterwards. It's not impossible to access them on the current board, but it's definitely awkward.
The extra signals that are absolutely required are just YS and VRESET. GND and 5V should already be present on the VGA socket (I should check to see if 5V is actually connected already). HRESET is apparently only used when joining two V9990's.
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: Joseman on 09:40, 14 September 21

USD $115 + shipping
Ok, count me for 1 unit then.
Thank you!
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: Joseman on 14:51, 14 September 21
I'm posting (again) on twitter, hope new people will come to buy one!
https://twitter.com/sJoseman/status/1437730871231012867 (https://twitter.com/sJoseman/status/1437730871231012867)

is there any possibility that a new bath can be made with 20 people?
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: Richard_Lloyd on 15:47, 14 September 21

USD $115 + shipping


OK, I am definitely interested, no longer 'maybe'.


Thanks, Richard.
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: Drtad on 23:07, 14 September 21
One, or two for me
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: gflorez on 02:00, 15 September 21
Hello, I am new here. Already presented me here (https://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/general-discussion/new-member-new-to-amstrad/new/#new).
I want to clarify something: there is not such graphic standard solution for SymbOS. Things have not happened like that.

All on SymbOS has been a challenge from the start: a full mouse driven WIMP(Windows, icons, menus, pointer) multitask environment on a little Z80 computer with only 128KB...
Since I follow the works of Prodatron he has been compulsorily adding new computers and devices to his creature. He has added a lot of CPC-only, MSX-only, PCW-only and Enterprise-only devices, apps and features to each computer version, by his own initiative or by  popular petitions.
For example, G9K and MP3 support was added to SymbOS-MSX just when the MSX Sunrise cartridges were developed, a little life ago.... On a time when the MSX user base was reluctant to move to MSX2 or MSX2+.

There has been no such decision, between V9958 and V9990, the truth is that it already exist a V9990 based MSX cartridge(and the CPC version), but not the other case. Maybe this situation can change, because the V9958 is cheaper and easier to find, with a multitude of schematics and information to implement it on an expansion card. And probably Prodatron would add it to SymbOS if the hardware is ever developed.
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: GUNHED on 04:16, 15 September 21
But why move back to 9958?
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: roudoudou on 08:58, 15 September 21
But why move back to 9958?
because it was used in MSX2 so there is already plenty of softwares


Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: gflorez on 09:54, 15 September 21
Because there is no such move back, the V9958 is already supported on SymbOS-MSX.

Managing the same hardware on different computers is a mater of to know the Z80 ports where the device has been interfaced.

But to have a V9958 hypothetically interfaced to a CPC does not mean automatic access to the MSX library of games, they would need to be converted one by one from scratch. One of the big reasons is:  because the MSXs manage 8 bit ports(ignore the higher byte), and the CPCs manage full 16 bit ports. This detail alone forces to rewrite all port accesses. Also, 16 bit ports make the code a little slower than with 8 bits ports.

But... coding for 16bit ports makes the programs or games more compatible.... a SymbOS app written for CPC will usually work on  MSX and Enterprise, because these are 8 bit ports based computers, they ignore the upper byte of the 16 bit address of a port. Where the CPC manages the &FF60 to &FF6F ports to access the V9990, the other computers only care for &60 to &6F. The upper byte can contain any value, so &FF is any value...

Why I am explaining you this? Because Trebmint is cleverly using this trick to make his G9K module for QUIGS to produce more compatible code, 3 computers at once... marvellous...

The PCW is another history... I will explain it later.
 
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: Trebmint on 10:55, 15 September 21
I'm not sure why people would want to move backwards from a v9990 to v9958. The v9990 is so superior, already exists/works, and does anyone really believe that people will port MSX2 games too the CPC.


Quigs is an attempt to make a standard game framework for Symbos based on the v9990. I have no idea if anyone other than myself and Edo will develop for it, but I hope so as it has many advantages that many people might like.


1. The v9990 is cool and powerful
2. Symbos will allow far more scope than a game running straight from Amsdos for media, mouse, sound, network etc etc
3. Cross platform
4. Easy/Fast to develop for with Quigs, with ease to integrate graphics and even mapping etc
5. Quigs compiles to very fast z80.

Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: TotO on 11:45, 15 September 21
Because there is no such move back, the V9958 is already supported on SymbOS-MSX.
Managing the same hardware on different computers is a mater of to known the Z80 ports where the device has been interfaced.
But to have a V9958 hypothetically interfaced to a CPC does not mean automatic access to the MSX library of games, they would need to be converted one by one from scratch. One of the big reasons is:  because the MSXs manage 8 bit ports(ignore the higher byte), and the CPCs manage full 16 bit ports. This detail alone forces to rewrite all port accesses. Also, 16 bit ports make the code a little slower than with 8 bits ports.
Yes, the V99x8 are already supported by SymbOS that already made existing applications for the OS runable for a CPC with it.

Now, about the 16-bit decoding from the CPC, it is a chance luck. As I have suggested some years ago, using the FFxx port decoding on the CPC allows to directly connect any MSX expansions to the CPC and use them w/o remapping anything aroung the MSX ports 0-255. It is in that way the V9990 and adapters to support MSX hardware on our beloved computer started. (sure, it may require some program hacks, as done on Coleco/SG-1000, but it is a less effort VS redo all)

Again, it is not a reason to stop the V9990, but probably a V99x8 expansion will be nice for a more affordable offer around compatibility.
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: gflorez on 15:34, 15 September 21
The selection of the CPC ports for MSX hardware.... that is something that was decided by Prodatron, and I don't know from who he took the idea. The target was to fix the upper byte to &FF on the MSX adapter, and so, every &FFXX port access triggers only the lower byte, &XX, to the cartridge.


What I want to say is, the CPC &FFXX range was selected time before making the real adapter, the Amsdap. It was not a chance.

The Enterprise had only a few classic hardware expansions, so then it had a lot of free Z80 ports to put MSX expansions.

The PCW is a special case... It is an 8 bit ports machine, but its architecture uses almost all the 256 ports range, so another approach has been used(thanks to Habi).

A free port is used to create a new 256 ports range, in this case &B0. The trick is to use the high byte as the target port, leaving the lower byte always as &B0. Then, on the adapter, every access to the &XXB0 range is redirected, only passing the upper byte to the MSX hardware.

This way, all the CPC code to access the MSX hardware can be used on the PCW, taking the precaution to swap the two bytes of the port address.


Edit, I put the wrong common port number for PCW, it is &XXB0.
 
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: gflorez on 15:46, 15 September 21
I encourage any development of a V9958 graphics card, it would be great.
But... apart from the difference on the ports, the MSX games make an intensive use of libraries on Roms, that would force the conversion coders to add translation Roms on the CPC versions.

Another drawback is the use of different memory paginations on CPC and MSX.

----
About the Coleco, SG1000/SC3000 conversions to MSX, these machines are pre-MSX, so they share more hardware architecture  than only the Video chip with the MSX.

Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: TotO on 15:54, 15 September 21
The selection of the CPC ports for MSX hardware.... that is something that was decided by Prodatron, and I don't know from who he took the idea. The target was to fix the upper byte to &FF on the MSX adapter, and so, every &FFXX port access triggers only the lower byte, &XX, to the cartridge.
I know, as I have said that to him by email/PM or at the Revision event.

What I want to say is, the CPC &FFXX range was selected time before making the real adapter, the Amsdap. It was not a chance.
Sorry, the problem is the "chance" word into my sentence. I mean the luck to have a 16-bit I/O port to allow that.

I encourage any development of a V9958 graphics card, it would be great. But... apart from the difference on the ports, the MSX games make an intensive use of libraries on Roms, that would force the conversion coders to add translation Roms on the CPC versions.Another drawback is the use of different memory paginations on CPC and MSX.----About the Coleco, SG1000/SC3000 conversions to MSX, these machines are pre-MSX, so they share more hardware architecture  than only the Video chip with the MSX.
Well... The Coleco and SG1000 do not have the MSX ROM or paging system too. The CPC already have the same CPU and sound chip, while them have the same CPU and VDP. Anyway, it does not apply to the existing SymbOS programs.
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: gflorez on 19:10, 15 September 21
I know, as I have said that to him by email/PM or at the Revision event.

Sorry, the problem is the "chance" word into my sentence. I mean the luck to have a 16-bit I/O port to allow that.

Well... The Coleco and SG1000 do not have the MSX ROM or paging system too. The CPC already have the same CPU and sound chip, while them have the same CPU and VDP. Anyway, it does not apply to the existing SymbOS programs.

-You are clever....

-Ok, now I understand it. You meant the opportunity to have a spare 256 port range at &FFXX.

-As I have said, I don't want to discourage anybody, only to show objectively the possible problems that may arise.
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: Edoz(MSX) on 19:29, 15 September 21
Yes, the V99x8 are already supported by SymbOS that already made existing applications for the OS runable for a CPC with it.


Maybe it is me, but I do not get it. the V9990 is also supported by SymbOS and is much better compare to the old MSX2 VDP.


The MSX was my machine back then and I don't see the point bringing  the MSX2 VDP to the CPC.. as then you almost basically have a MSX then ;)
And having MSX2 VDP on the CPC does not give you a bunch of games that will work as the CPC as simply it still is different machine. Porting will maybe possible but i think not an easy task.


The v9990 is on the MSX an add- on card. I see it more like the Voodoo card for MSX and now for CPC and ENTERPRISE as well. Running it on different machines would be cool as one release for a game will work on all the machines and no porting is required. Yes there is less software for it but I would hope people will like it and start there own devs for it
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: GUNHED on 19:36, 15 September 21
I'm not sure why people would want to move backwards from a v9990 to v9958. The v9990 is so superior, already exists/works, and does anyone really believe that people will port MSX2 games too the CPC.
Totally agreed!  :) :) :)
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: TotO on 19:37, 15 September 21
Ok, now I understand it. You meant the opportunity to have a spare 256 port range at &FFXX.
Exactly.
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: HAL 6128 on 11:12, 16 September 21
The v9990 is on the MSX an add- on card. I see it more like the Voodoo card for MSX and now for CPC and ENTERPRISE as well. Running it on different machines would be cool as one release for a game will work on all the machines and no porting is required. Yes there is less software for it but I would hope people will like it and start there own devs for it
Hopefully Trebmint will release his new QUIGS? The IDE so far is quite impressive and interesting and the language easy to understand. I mean, SymbOS is a very attractive environment, also due to it's very good and deep documentation. But you still need to be an machine code professional to create something. QUIGS could be an approach for Non-Professional/Nerds (like me) to program at least something? Would be cool.
...and after embedding the driver/language support for the V9990 the OPL2 / Adlib sound cards with Pulkomandys Willy adapter or the LambdaSpeak / Midi-Board (with same sound chip) could also be enhanced by Trebmint? :)
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: Trebmint on 11:21, 16 September 21
Hopefully Trebmint will release his new QUIGS? The IDE so far is quite impressive and interesting and the language easy to understand. I mean, SymbOS is a very attractive environment, also due to it's very good and deep documentation. But you still need to be an machine code professional to create something. QUIGS could be an approach for Non-Professional/Nerds (like me) to program at least something? Would be cool.
...and after embedding the driver/language support for the V9990 the OPL2 / Adlib sound cards with Pulkomandys Willy adapter or the LambdaSpeak / Midi-Board (with same sound chip) could also be enhanced by Trebmint? :)
There will be a release of Quigs with g9k support very soon (within a week). Yesterday we had the great news that Prodatron has worked out the g9k interrupt, so when I receive the updated symbos I will try to get that included.... this will mean really cool stuff can be done :) Currently I'm adding lots of use cases to the optimizer... I want the Quigs compiler to produce the fastest ever z80 compiled code.
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: Edoz(MSX) on 13:35, 25 September 21
Here you can find the new G9K BETA release for Quigs:


https://www.msx.org/forum/msx-talk/development/new-symbos-development-quigs-beta-release-with-g9k-support (https://www.msx.org/forum/msx-talk/development/new-symbos-development-quigs-beta-release-with-g9k-support)

Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: HigashiJun on 03:54, 26 September 21
All to do now is to cross fingers and hope a new batch of the v9990 will be released...

 8)
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: Trebmint on 11:05, 28 September 21
Here you can find the new G9K BETA release for Quigs:


https://www.msx.org/forum/msx-talk/development/new-symbos-development-quigs-beta-release-with-g9k-support (https://www.msx.org/forum/msx-talk/development/new-symbos-development-quigs-beta-release-with-g9k-support)


Yes please join the new Quigs discord server [size=78%]https://discord.gg/eVQQnzFYkD (https://discord.gg/eVQQnzFYkD)[/size] Where I hope we can fix bugs, create a g9k framework for games that people want (currently thinking about game objects and how to reference.define them), and optimise the language to be even faster. You can do this by checking the output.asm, and telling me where its inefficient within the compiler scope.
Cheers.
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: Skunkfish on 18:10, 28 September 21
Put me down for one please  :D
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: zhulien on 15:03, 04 October 21
There seems to be 100s of CPC users here on these forums, but only 17 that want better graphics?


I think there are a few options, but what is important also - is that this option actually exists - it is not fake, some of us have it already.  It isn't a perfect solution, but having said that, it is the best graphics option currently available for the CPC.


Other options I could see but so far no-one has taken it up.


- CPCLink Card + Raspberry Pi, this option exists in hardware but not yet in software.  There is no reason why a server (running on the Pi) could not provide facilities to the CPC via the CPCLink card.  Via a simple protocol that would enable us to use an HDMI monitor for even BASIC (patched) but not existing games.


- New CPC Graphics Card perhaps based on the MSX 1 standard?  This would allow easy porting of some MSX and Sega games at a pretty low price point.


- CPC/PI Bridge Board, not yet existing fully still a work in progress but it would still require software to be written.




- @ToTo I think you mentioned perhaps making a CPC graphics card that is an extension of the RGB signals?  Like the Graffiti card?  Could that perhaps work on CPC given the right drivers on CPC side?


- Display Port Protocol support on USB.  I downloaded the docs for this standard and to me it is a bit alien but, I am sure that someone here would understand enough about USB protocols to implement elementary Display Port facilities.  The only thing I wasn't sure of from a hardware point of view, is can the CPC feed the Display Port fast enough without a coprocessor.  We have quite a few good USB adapters now, so maybe someone would like to evaluate the display port protocol?


https://www.vesa.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/ICCE-Presentation-on-VESA-DisplayPort.pdf





Lots of people would love to see new hardware but some don't want the CPC to basically become a PC.  Displays are one irritating point for CPC that is yet to be resolved.  I was lucky enough to find an LCD TV which has HDMI and SCART but they don't seem to make them anymore (at least not in Australia).  SCART was never big here anyway.  The Spectrum and Amiga both have Raspberry Pi HDMI based adapters, so there is no technical reason that a similar solution couldn't be used to convert CPC display signals to HDMI also.


The ultimate solution would be something that is compatible with CPC native modes but offers a couple of other higher colour or higher resolution modes with it.
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: ajcasado on 16:03, 04 October 21
There seems to be 100s of CPC users here on these forums, but only 17 that want better graphics?
I'm one of the 17. The problem may be that the price is high and probably also that it will only be supported by SymbOS.

For a cheap VGA capable expansion the RPi PICO is a good option. Less than 5€ in Farnell:

https://es.farnell.com/raspberry-pi/raspberry-pi-pico/raspberry-pi-32-bits-arm-cortex/dp/3643332?cjevent=f8ea7a5f250b11ec823501d70a18050d&cjdata=MXxZfDB8WXww&CMP=AFC-CJ-ES-1765328&gross_price=true&source=CJ (https://es.farnell.com/raspberry-pi/raspberry-pi-pico/raspberry-pi-32-bits-arm-cortex/dp/3643332?cjevent=f8ea7a5f250b11ec823501d70a18050d&cjdata=MXxZfDB8WXww&CMP=AFC-CJ-ES-1765328&gross_price=true&source=CJ)

See the yet ready extra libraries : https://github.com/raspberrypi/pico-extras (https://github.com/raspberrypi/pico-extras).
More functionalities are also implemented in the MCU, as UART(serial port), SPI, I2C, I2S, digital I/O, Analog Input, USB host.
It has 30 GPIO pins, so several of the functionalities (audio, VGA, storage, comms and I/O ) referenced above could be used at the same time in a not very complicated expansion board for de CPC.

It comes with 2MB of flash to support the desired functionalities code and 264kB of RAM that can be used as VRAM and buffers for I/O, storage and audio.
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: zhulien on 16:41, 04 October 21
I think it will be supported by more than Symbos - just that Symbos is the only thing that currently supports it.  But that is pretty good in itself - Symbos is really another platform for CPC (AMSDOS, CP/M, FutureOS, Symbos), and debatably the best platform, although FutureOS appears to have some really good features too - just the goals are different for each.  AMSDOS of course is the most primitive and is debatably not an OS, but fulfils the features of an OS.. just.


We can still write our own software and if any game developers make games supporting it that would be cool too.
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: zhulien on 16:48, 04 October 21
I'm one of the 17. The problem may be that the price is high and probably also that it will only be supported by SymbOS.

For a cheap VGA capable expansion the RPi PICO is a good option. Less than 5€ in Farnell:

https://es.farnell.com/raspberry-pi/raspberry-pi-pico/raspberry-pi-32-bits-arm-cortex/dp/3643332?cjevent=f8ea7a5f250b11ec823501d70a18050d&cjdata=MXxZfDB8WXww&CMP=AFC-CJ-ES-1765328&gross_price=true&source=CJ

See the yet ready extra libraries : https://github.com/raspberrypi/pico-extras.
More functionalities are also implemented in the MCU, as UART(serial port), SPI, I2C, I2S, digital I/O, Analog Input, USB host.
It has 30 GPIO pins, so several of the functionalities (audio, VGA, storage, comms and I/O ) referenced above could be used at the same time in a not very complicated expansion board for de CPC.

It comes with 2MB of flash to support the desired functionalities code and 264kB of RAM that can be used as VRAM and buffers for I/O, storage and audio.


Something like this interfaced with CPC directly would be a very good CPC gfx card solution because of it's software upgradability.  I wonder if @revaldinho (https://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=1776) could easily modify CPCLink to cater for the Pi Pico?



https://picockpit.com/raspberry-pi/raspberry-pi-pico-video-output/
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: zhulien on 16:51, 04 October 21
Still there are advantages in the full CPCLink card - it's really easy to change the onboard Pi when a new pin-compatible model comes out.
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: gflorez on 19:12, 04 October 21
I would like to remember you all that the Amsdap bus expander allows the use of 2 MSX cartridges, so buying the available Technobytes V9990 MSX version is easier than asking for a 30 units batch of the CPC version.
Also, TMTLogic will soon release an affordable  and simple CPC slot(MX4) to MSX slot.

So, you have some more real, actual, available options.


Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: LewisCPC on 22:52, 04 October 21
Put me down for one :)
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: revaldinho on 00:01, 05 October 21
Something like this interfaced with CPC directly would be a very good CPC gfx card solution because of it's software upgradability.  I wonder if @revaldinho (https://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=1776) could easily modify CPCLink to cater for the Pi Pico?
https://picockpit.com/raspberry-pi/raspberry-pi-pico-video-output/ (https://picockpit.com/raspberry-pi/raspberry-pi-pico-video-output/)


I haven't see these before, but I like the idea of the Pico as a generic video processor for 8 bit CPUs. This is a totally different direction to the V9990 cards though and might be split off into another thread.


CPC-cplink is already fully compatible with the Pi Pico, Arduino and other microcontrollers. The cplink header has a pin-out suitable for direct connection to a standard Raspberry Pi, so other MCUs need to be connected with a short cable or just breadboard wires. Cplink deals with voltage level shifting as necessary, and removes any timing criticality from the interface. The latter is more useful for standard Raspberry PIs running a full Linux, or maybe slower MCUs like the Arduinos. The Pico, with its PIO based pin handling, is easily fast enough to process Z80 bus transactions without the need for cplink's hardware FIFOs.


R
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: TotO on 00:46, 05 October 21
I like the idea of the Pico as a generic video processor for 8 bit CPUs.
Yes, it looks more attractive.
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: Trebmint on 02:47, 05 October 21
So you guys want to buy a cheaper graphics card with no software at all, that has yet to be designed, built, and still not that many people will want... hmmm.


Software is coming for the v9990 that will make more people want this card :)
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: zhulien on 07:34, 05 October 21

I haven't see these before, but I like the idea of the Pico as a generic video processor for 8 bit CPUs. This is a totally different direction to the V9990 cards though and might be split off into another thread.



If you start a new Pico CPC Gfx Card thread based on CPC-cplink, add me down for 2.

Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: zhulien on 07:37, 05 October 21
So you guys want to buy a cheaper graphics card with no software at all, that has yet to be designed, built, and still not that many people will want... hmmm.


Software is coming for the v9990 that will make more people want this card :)


I think the v9990 and another solution like Pico are good alternatives for different purposes.  The v9990 could be good for games, but isn't really the best display for serious software on the CPC with it's low resolution given the small choice of LCD monitors we have these days.  Having a Pico with full HD display could really be a good thing (for some types of games) but definitely for serious software.  Choices are good, they don't really overlap... I'd rather be programming on my CPC (with full HD) than mode 2 if it were an option.
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: Edoz(MSX) on 19:31, 05 October 21
I wanna support! So sign me up as well for a spare! v9990 is just very cool and very 8 bit!
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: Munchausen on 21:51, 05 October 21
Myself and presumably many others already have a v9990 card for cpc, it is not only those registering interest here
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: XeNoMoRPH on 08:58, 06 October 21
With @Edoz(MSX) (https://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=1188) , there are 20 people interested, I think it's a good number for this expensive hardware, @zhulien (https://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=58) could you talk to Tecnobytes to try to lower their requirements?
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: TotO on 13:05, 06 October 21
With @Edoz(MSX) (https://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=1188) , there are 20 people interested, I think it's a good number for this expensive hardware, @zhulien (https://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=58) could you talk to Tecnobytes to try to lower their requirements?
I agree that 20 peoples is probably enough to do a batch if they want to be kind to offer this expansion for the CPC users.
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: zhulien on 20:04, 06 October 21
With @Edoz(MSX) (https://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=1188) , there are 20 people interested, I think it's a good number for this expensive hardware, @zhulien (https://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=58) could you talk to Tecnobytes to try to lower their requirements?


I have emailed Rogerio at Tecnobytes and asked if they will lower the requirements for a batch.  I am expecting one or two of us (sad fact usually) will drop out too - hopefully we can make them back up.


I will post his reply when he replies.
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: DoctorCPC on 00:43, 08 October 21
What is the last situation? How can i give order? I want to buy v9990 Graphic Card. My favorite Amstrad Devices will be RSF3, v9990 Graphic Card and Dandanator Mini...
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: chilli_taff on 14:32, 08 October 21
Hi zhulien

Add me too, I'll buy one of these if they are available - let me know when you need payment

Thanks
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: Skunkfish on 15:29, 08 October 21
I'm tempted, what would shipping be to the UK?
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: zhulien on 23:32, 08 October 21
ok, got a reply from Tecnobytes...




Re: [Tecnobytes Classic Computers] New message received.


Hi Julian

Thanks for your message, we can close the batch with 24 units. For confirmation we need the emails of the interested parties to send the Paypal invoices.
We can provide as a bonus the Svideo and composite video adaptor.



Be Safe


Best Regards


Rogério Belarmino

Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: zhulien on 23:37, 08 October 21
I don't know what shipping is, I know it is USD38 for 8 units to Melbourne, Australia - but I am not buying 8 units... it should be less than half of that for 1 unit to me.


So i can collate all your email addresses and onforward them to Rogerio of Tecnobytes so he can invoice you all,

please PM me with your:

First Name:
Last Name:
City:
Country:
email address:


Just like above so it is very clear to me and Rogerio.


For security, don't pay for anything unless it is a v9990 invoice from Tecnobytes.  I will let technobytes request your full postal addresses so you don't need to share those with me, or maybe when you pay you can provide that.


Note: we don't YET have 24 people but we are close, and it is nice of them to include the SVideo + Composite adapters as a bonus.
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: HigashiJun on 06:06, 09 October 21
PM sent !

Thank you for your involvement zhulien.
 ;)
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: Joseman on 09:05, 09 October 21
PM sent too!
Thankyou for all!
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: zhulien on 09:54, 09 October 21
PM sent !

Thank you for your involvement zhulien.
 ;)


Hi, I didn't get a PM yet. 


You are welcome - I also hope that more people have them so there is more incentive for software to be developed.  I have some ideas for it to make it a bit more useful than Symbos - but Symbos itself is really a great piece of software.  I will try present my ideas in another thread - they relate to the drivers thread I had previously created.
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: HigashiJun on 04:49, 10 October 21

Hi, I didn't get a PM yet. 


You are welcome - I also hope that more people have them so there is more incentive for software to be developed.  I have some ideas for it to make it a bit more useful than Symbos - but Symbos itself is really a great piece of software.  I will try present my ideas in another thread - they relate to the drivers thread I had previously created.

Should be OK now...
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: teopl on 09:08, 10 October 21
PM sent  8)
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: ajcasado on 21:02, 10 October 21
PM sent!!
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: LewisCPC on 21:52, 10 October 21
Sent a PM :)
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: zhulien on 04:33, 11 October 21
PM sent  8)


not yet received
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: Edoz(MSX) on 12:55, 11 October 21
I did sent the PM as well
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: zhulien on 15:49, 11 October 21
PM sent  8)


@Gryzor, is there an internal email issue?  teopl is the 2nd person within a few days that has said they have sent a PM but none has been received.
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: chilli_taff on 19:14, 11 October 21
Hi zhulienPM Sent
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: JayBlood on 01:18, 12 October 21
PM sent too. Thanks; Zhulien. ;)
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: DoctorCPC on 03:21, 12 October 21

First Name: Volkan
Last Name: Atasever
City: Istanbul
Country: Turkey
Email: volkan@volkanatasever.com / volkan@s4g.email

I want to buy 1 piece. what can i do? im in buying list.
best regards
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: zhulien on 15:08, 12 October 21

Hi

@craem (https://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=2587) , @AnakinTF (https://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=4355) , @Luis_CPC (https://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=4392) , @valfac (https://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=3506) , @vhenares (https://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=4378) , @OncleCed (https://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=4391) , @kawickboy (https://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=380) , @teopl (https://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=2874) , @Poliander (https://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=203) , @Drtad (https://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=4401)


Please PM me your details so i can provide them to Tecnobytes.


Thanks
Title: Re: Technobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: Drtad on 17:17, 12 October 21

Sending

The below users would like a new v9990 graphics card in Mother X4 configuration:


(Details received via PM)

  • zhulien
  • Richard_Lloyd
  • Joseman
  • Skunkfish
  • HigashiJun
  • ajcasado
  • LewisCPC
  • Edoz(MSX)
  • chilli_taff
  • DoctorCPC
  • JayBlood
(Pending Details)

  • craem
  • AnakinTF
  • Luis_CPC
  • valfac
  • vhenares
  • OncleCed
  • kawickboy
  • teopl
  • Poliander
  • Drtad
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: valfac on 23:47, 12 October 21
PM sent!


Thanks a lot,
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: zhulien on 18:07, 13 October 21
I don't know what shipping is, I know it is USD38 for 8 units to Melbourne, Australia - but I am not buying 8 units... it should be less than half of that for 1 unit to me.


So i can collate all your email addresses and onforward them to Rogerio of Tecnobytes so he can invoice you all,

please PM me with your:

First Name:
Last Name:
City:
Country:
email address:


Just like above so it is very clear to me and Rogerio.


For security, don't pay for anything unless it is a v9990 invoice from Tecnobytes.  I will let technobytes request your full postal addresses so you don't need to share those with me, or maybe when you pay you can provide that.


Note: we don't YET have 24 people but we are close, and it is nice of them to include the SVideo + Composite adapters as a bonus.
Title: Re: Technobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: LewisCPC on 21:32, 13 October 21
The below users would like a new v9990 graphics card in Mother X4 configuration:


(Details received via PM)

  • zhulien
  • Richard_Lloyd
  • Joseman
  • Skunkfish
  • HigashiJun
  • ajcasado
  • LewisCPC
  • Edoz(MSX)
  • chilli_taff
  • DoctorCPC
  • JayBlood
  • craem
(Pending Details)

  • AnakinTF
  • Luis_CPC
  • valfac
  • vhenares
  • OncleCed
  • kawickboy
  • teopl
  • Poliander
  • Drtad


Oops… just sent you my details again haha
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: LewisCPC on 21:36, 13 October 21
You can up mine to two in order to make up numbers, if you like… also…


If the order is successful, is there a decent resource I can dip into regarding using the device? I understand that there is an adapter that will allow me to use MSX carts developed for the 9990 on my CPC. Would like to know what I need to do this :)
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: XeNoMoRPH on 12:13, 14 October 21
LewisCPC

If I understood correctly, The version to be manufactured is v9990 with the Amstrad connector, on the other side ... you will only need an MX4 board to connect it to the CPC ... there is an adapter called AMSDAP, which is used to connect MSX hardware that uses a MSX cartridge in the CPC, such as the SE-ONE or the MSX v9990.
I imagine the v9990 board is similar to this previous one that was made:


(https://auamstrad.es/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/DUd6lNZX0AE2jdA.jpg.webp)


(http://fotos.subefotos.com/48f27c26328ff9aed088a24e5c93a941o.jpg)

MX4 Board

Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: zhulien on 18:19, 14 October 21
Tecnobytes should work in any Amstrad CPC or clone with MX4 slots, that should include:


- CPC 464, CPC 664, CPC6128, 6128Plus, 464Plus with AMSDAP or MX4 or even just a cable (but with just a cable you effectively have 1 slot)


- Just CPC (it already has 2 MX4 slots in it)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QT6JmjpTJXI


- Just CPC 4ATX (it already has 7 MX4 slots in it)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DykFhtNbgGk
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: OncleCed on 10:43, 15 October 21
Hello,


I will use with Amsdap.  :)


V9990 will not single, I've a Symbiface III too.
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: ikari on 22:29, 15 October 21
lol and I bought on ebay 🤦🏻‍♂️

what can we run on it? ;x
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: Trebmint on 22:21, 16 October 21
lol and I bought on ebay 🤦🏻‍♂️

what can we run on it? ;x
Well I'm currently developing the QG9kEngine for Symbos/Quigs for V9990.... After completing flappy bird, Edo & my first little demo is going to be a micromachines type game. This is just a mice little test of large maps and scrolling.
[size=78%]https://youtu.be/qHfNJ0ewB5w (https://youtu.be/qHfNJ0ewB5w)[/size]


This is cross platform with v9990 on CPC/MSX and Enterprise using symbos
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: HigashiJun on 01:19, 17 October 21
Seems really promising !

 :)

Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: zhulien on 17:24, 17 October 21

Hi everyone below, I am still waiting for your details to be PM'd to me so we can place the order.  Please let me know also if you do NOT want to go ahead. Thanks.

@Luis_CPC (https://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=4392)
@vhenares (https://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=4378)
@OncleCed (https://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=4391)
@kawickboy (https://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=380)
@Poliander (https://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=203)
@Drtad (https://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=4401)
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: Luis_CPC on 18:48, 17 October 21
Hello, I sent PM twice but I hit the envelope icon and not the correct icon, so of course you did not get it. Sorry, my fault!!

PM sent right now, if not recived please notify me. Thanks!!

(And of course, I go ahead!!)
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: Drtad on 19:53, 17 October 21

Sending

Hi everyone below, I am still waiting for your details to be PM'd to me so we can place the order.  Please let me know also if you do NOT want to go ahead. Thanks.

@Luis_CPC (https://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=4392)
@vhenares (https://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=4378)
@OncleCed (https://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=4391)
@kawickboy (https://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=380)
@Poliander (https://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=203)
@Drtad (https://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=4401)
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: zhulien on 17:18, 18 October 21
Hi Everyone, we are only at 17, we need to make 24 orders for Tecnobytes.


That is 7 more (which could include the 4 who haven't PM'd me yet unless you are changing your mind - which you can).



Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: LewisCPC on 23:12, 18 October 21
If I understood correctly, The version to be manufactured is v9990 with the Amstrad connector, on the other side ... you will only need an MX4 board to connect it to the CPC ... there is an adapter called AMSDAP, which is used to connect MSX hardware that uses a MSX cartridge in the CPC, such as the SE-ONE or the MSX v9990.
I imagine the v9990 board is similar to this previous one that was made:


Will be able to launch supported software from the Amstrad without any extras?
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: Joseman on 11:22, 19 October 21
Hi Everyone, we are only at 17, we need to make 24 orders for Tecnobytes.


That is 7 more (which could include the 4 who haven't PM'd me yet unless you are changing your mind - which you can).
If it is needed i'll buy 1 more unit (only if needed!!)
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: zhulien on 13:19, 21 October 21
Hi Everyone,


We are at 18 people (I know a couple of you have offered to buy 2 units), mention that to Tecnobytes when you place your order.


We need another 6 people so i can place the order.  Surely the ability to run Symbos with some software coming out that supports the v9990 is exciting? 



Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: Joseman on 18:06, 21 October 21
Hi Everyone,


We are at 18 people (I know a couple of you have offered to buy 2 units), mention that to Tecnobytes when you place your order.


We need another 6 people so i can place the order.  Surely the ability to run Symbos with some software coming out that supports the v9990 is exciting?
I think that the batch is going to be made... only a little more patience.
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: zhulien on 18:13, 21 October 21
I think that the batch is going to be made... only a little more patience.


Just afraid the longer the wait, people will start changing their minds :D
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: Joseman on 18:21, 21 October 21

Just afraid the longer the wait, people will start changing their minds :D
With the videos of Micro Machines i doubt it!!
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: TotO on 20:30, 21 October 21
With the videos of Micro Machines i doubt it!!
It is just a tilemap displayed from the VDP memory that scroll by moving a sprite to increment few registers. I hope that will be a game, but it is very very far to the final goal to be hyped now.
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: Prodatron on 21:54, 21 October 21
It is just a tilemap displayed from the VDP memory that scroll by moving a sprite to increment few registers. I hope that will be a game, but it is very very far to the final goal to be hyped now.
Hm, why so negative about a new V9990 batch and the current developments?  :(
There are more than 40 SymbOS applications now running nice on the Graphics 9000 on CPC/MSX/Enterprise,
and one very nice looking casual full screen game (Flappy Birds) beside some more demos,
and the next one (Micro Machines) is now under construction and already in an advanced stage. Very important stuff is already working now and there is a lot of CPU time left for the remaining stuff even on a 3,5MHz system.
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: TotO on 22:32, 21 October 21
Hm, why so negative about a new V9990 batch and the current developments?  :(
Hey, it is not negative but objective. I had prefered this VDP expansion with a video signal passthrough to display all on the CPC monitor by using /YS and a multiplexer IC. I understand that is nice for SymbOS, but I don't see any interrest except that. (much more by using V99x8)
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: Prodatron on 23:25, 21 October 21
Do you think, that superimposing or signal passtrough is more easy for the 9938 compared to the 9990? Both require additional hardware to do this. I am not a hardware guy at all, so I have no idea.

But when you have a look at the Philips 8280 it's already a lot of stuff. AFAIK the 9938 can't do this without any extra hardware. So I wonder what's the issue with the 9990 compared to the 9938 regarding this?

For the V9990 it looks similiar with the Video 9000, which does superimpose as well.

Another question is:
Since the V9990 has been connected successfully to the CPC for the first time, already 4 years passed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plQf9_7zPSA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plQf9_7zPSA)
It is available since 4 years, fully working, and we made new software for it and can use all existing ones for SymbOS as well, so you already have a lot of 16 colour stuff on the CPC running at very high screen resolutions.
But nobody else created another video hardware during this time. Why should this happen right now?
There are probably other graphic chips, which are fine as well. From my side, it would be very easy and really cool to port and use the VDP9938 MSX screen driver to SymbOS CPC as well, if someone would build such a hardware.

But if such hardware is not available, and no one is planning to do something within a realistic time frame, it doesn't make sense to say, that the G9K is not a good solution, except you want to talk in a negative way about a current project, which already exists. But this wouldn't be nice.

The main reason for using the G9K as a new standard video card for the CPC/MSX/Enterprise (maybe even PCW in the future) regarding platform independant fullscreen games is, that's it's probably the most powerful and easy to program video card which has ever been developed for an 8bit system.

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9938 Superimposer hardware:
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: TotO on 23:56, 21 October 21
This is another thing. I talked about the fact that using the V99x8 was compatible with SymbOS and offered the possibility of porting existing MSX games to the CPC. this was not directly related to the ability to display everything on the same screen, but is more relevant for the V9990.

I know all of these things, I saw this on the internet and at the Revision event with you. Just because I would like the V9990 card to be different doesn't mean my post is negative. I explain a point of view, that's all. Something that seems to be difficult to have for 5 years with all these social networks that only allow you to say "like" and no longer to think differently or exchange opinions without being classified or upset people.
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: Trebmint on 00:11, 22 October 21
This is another thing. I talked about the fact that using the V99x8 was compatible with SymbOS and offered the possibility of porting existing MSX games to the CPC. this was not directly related to the ability to display everything on the same screen, but is more relevant for the V9990.

I know all of these things, I saw this on the internet and at the Revision event with you. Just because I would like the V9990 card to be different doesn't mean my post is negative. I explain a point of view, that's all. Something that seems to be difficult to have for 5 years with all these social networks that only allow you to say "like" and no longer to think differently or exchange opinions without being classified or upset people.
Yes but the idea of this thread is (probably now was) to get enough people together to order a batch of a card that exists... But that's been derailed. Seems the objective is to stop people ordering this real piece of hardware for an idea you have in your head.
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: TotO on 00:27, 22 October 21
Yes but the idea of this thread is (probably now was) to get enough people together to order a batch of a card that exists... But that's been derailed. Seems the objective is to stop people ordering this real piece of hardware for an idea you have in your head.
I really doubt about that, because the poll has grown after the post to explain my choice. I have no doubt that people can choose for themselves according to their desires and uses, because the V9990 is a great Yamaha VDP, close to the Mega Drive one, but for 8-bit systems.

EDIT: Looking the poll again, you have reach the number required (22+3) and you just have to wait them to pay.
I'm pretty sure that some other people will ask for the expansion late (hurry up!), because "avaliable".
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: zhulien on 09:10, 22 October 21
Yes the poll does say that, but unfortunately only 18 people have provided me with their details to pass on.  A couple of those are interested in more than 1 card.  We are almost there.


As a separate project, perhaps someone will design an external video / audio switching / mixing box for CPCs with up to 4 stereo inputs and 2 video inputs? 
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: XeNoMoRPH on 11:54, 22 October 21
maybe some people have not realized that they have to submit the data, because they do not check the forum often, could it be? .. I have warned everyone I know.
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: gflorez on 12:12, 22 October 21
Yes, I think this is not the place to begin a discussion about how better would be a theoretic V9958 based graphics card against a real-working-with-software v9990 graphics card... 

Putting these discouraging "opinions" on a thread only asking for V9990 buyers seems for me that there is a second intention, may be a third intention...
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: TotO on 21:53, 22 October 21
Putting these discouraging "opinions" on a thread only asking for V9990 buyers seems for me that there is a second intention, may be a third intention...
Do not try to search problems where they are not. You are not on Facebook. Thank you.
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: kawickboy on 22:47, 22 October 21
Sending


Hello, sorry i didn't receive any PM or alert. What are you waiting for ?
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: zhulien on 03:23, 23 October 21
Ok, I will PM those i am waiting on when I get home.
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: kawickboy on 23:35, 29 October 21
Hi, sorry i didn't receive any PM.
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: DoctorCPC on 00:08, 30 October 21
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Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: 1024MAK on 09:58, 30 October 21
I may be interested in one of these.

I do have some questions. Forgive me if any of these were answered earlier in the thread.

How many of these (and I mean the CPC version) are already in use? Do we know?

Apart from SymbOS, is there any other software that can make use of this card?
Is there a test program (even a simple one) or demo that does not need SymbOS, so that it’s easy to see if the card and the monitor connections are working?

I can’t tell from Tecnobytes web site. I presume they are based in the E.U.. Hence I have to keep in mind that due to the U.K. having left the E.U., if I buy one of these, I will have to pay VAT at 20% plus an administration charge on top of the total of the selling price and postage / shipping. That is unless Tecnobytes have arrangements in place to charge U.K. VAT before sending it or import it into the U.K., charge U.K. VAT and then post it out.

It gets significantly more expensive if I end up paying E.U. tax and then U.K. VAT on top…  >:(

As VAT is supposed to be charged on the price including the postage/shipping costs, I would like to have a better idea of the postage/shipping costs. I’m in the mainland U.K..

Is there any way to contact Tecnobytes so that I can ask them directly about taxes and postage / shipping costs?

Mark

Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: Prodatron on 12:37, 30 October 21
Hi Mark,
Tecnobytes is based in Brazil.
There is this "Robot Demo" called testprogram for the CPCs V9990, which can be started from Amsdos:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16GFIp7LJR4
I have to search for the files again.
Maybe Zhulien can answer your other questions?
Cheers,Prodatron
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: 1024MAK on 21:46, 30 October 21
Thanks Prodatron  :)

Mark
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: gflorez on 09:07, 01 November 21

Taxes don't work as that.... even if you buy from E.U. you only pay one tax in your country...

They works as this: The origin country seller will charge you only the price of the item+shipping, without taxes. Once it arrived to your country, the item will be evaluated at Customs, and they will decide your added tax. It can travel through a lot of countries, and none of them will increase the value.


So, at the end, is your own country who will calculate how much tax will apply, usually similar to the VAT. The difference is if they include the shipping on the calculation base, and if they charge you additionally for the packet manipulation, but always inside your country. Not much about this has changed between UK and E.U. since Brexit, only that the they are now third countries for each other, no more associated.


All countries -including the "evil" E. U.- manage the same rules.

There is other way: Sometimes the seller can offer you to pay your taxes in the origin country. Accept it quickly. Usually the process will be cheaper and faster because, when the packet will arrive to your country Customs, the officials will be forced to admit it as tax applied.
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: gflorez on 09:26, 01 November 21
You can find the "Robot demo" files here (https://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/amstrad-cpc-hardware/using-symbos-with-the-gfx9000-(msx-grapics-card)/msg156979/#msg156979), on an old thread of this web page.
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: zhulien on 16:51, 01 November 21

Hi Mark,


Prodatron is correct, they are based in Brazil.  I don't know how many originally were in the first batch - but I suspect there are at least 30 in circulation now, could be more, but I would be surprised if there were more than 100.


I don't know how VAT works in UK in relation to Brazil.  Something to consider.  They will invoice you direct when I have everyone's details - I think that is the best way so everyone doesn't need to provide me or someone else with payment details.


Yes, contact them on their website.   http://www.tecnobytes.com.br/p/v9990-powergraph_10.html


or here:   


Rogério Belarmino

amenophis3 AT gmail DOT com


Note: he is also in facebook under the tecnobytes page if that helps.

Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: zhulien on 16:53, 01 November 21
You can find the "Robot demo" files here (https://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/amstrad-cpc-hardware/using-symbos-with-the-gfx9000-(msx-grapics-card)/msg156979/#msg156979), on an old thread of this web page.


That link didn't work for me, is there another location for it?
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: GUNHED on 17:00, 01 November 21
Yes...
Title: Re: Tecnobytes V9990 New Batch
Post by: HigashiJun on 15:02, 13 November 21
So are there some interesting news ?