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Offline msmthng

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Re: Using SymbOS with the GFX9000 (MSX grapics card)
« Reply #150 on: 11:36, 02 October 17 »
Is there already a preorder list existing for this?
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Re: Using SymbOS with the GFX9000 (MSX grapics card)
« Reply #151 on: 12:24, 02 October 17 »
Is there already a preorder list existing for this?

You can already (pre) order the V9990 CPC Powergraph device already on the technobytes site:

http://www.tecnobytes.com.br/p/v9990-powergraph_10.html

If you have any questions best is to contact them.
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Re: Using SymbOS with the GFX9000 (MSX grapics card)
« Reply #152 on: 17:10, 02 October 17 »
looking at the programming docs, it seems it may actually be possible to use it as a 512kb RAMDisc... not as fast ask a memory mapped DkTronics one, but likely faster than a floppy drive for sure...
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Re: Using SymbOS with the GFX9000 (MSX grapics card)
« Reply #153 on: 23:15, 02 October 17 »
Yes, there are CPU to memory and memory to CPU commands. So you could implement a 512KB ram disc, but it would a strange use case for the V9990 gfx card :D
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Re: Using SymbOS with the GFX9000 (MSX grapics card)
« Reply #154 on: 23:07, 03 October 17 »
Do we know if the final design will use the superimpose feature of the VDP in order to have one screen for both outputs?


In case it doesn't, does anybody know how hard might be (if possible at all) to do an aftermarket modification to the card?


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Re: Using SymbOS with the GFX9000 (MSX grapics card)
« Reply #155 on: 05:01, 04 October 17 »
The superimpose feature of the V9990 is simply that it can generate an extra transparency signal in sync with the video output to tell "some other hardware" which video input to take the current pixel from. All the hard work would actually be done by the extra hardware (a genlock, etc etc) which would cost a lot more to integrate onto this board.
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Re: Using SymbOS with the GFX9000 (MSX grapics card)
« Reply #156 on: 09:07, 04 October 17 »
Do we know if the final design will use the superimpose feature of the VDP in order to have one screen for both outputs?

That would be great, but it would require to digitalize the CPC video signal and put into memory first... the effort to achieve this is pretty high
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Re: Using SymbOS with the GFX9000 (MSX grapics card)
« Reply #157 on: 21:45, 16 October 17 »
Today i got the feedback from Tecnobytes Brazil that there are 6 units left.
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Re: Using SymbOS with the GFX9000 (MSX grapics card)
« Reply #158 on: 22:21, 16 October 17 »
And today I heard, that the first units will be shipped soon! :)
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Re: Using SymbOS with the GFX9000 (MSX grapics card)
« Reply #159 on: 23:03, 16 October 17 »
How will SymbOS support that graphical extension (in terms of enhancements)?
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Re: Using SymbOS with the GFX9000 (MSX grapics card)
« Reply #160 on: 23:32, 16 October 17 »
That's quite simple to describe:
You will have a 16 colour display of 384x240, 512x212, 768x240 or 1024x212 pixels with your CPC  :D
And you can still run all your SymbOS apps from your beloved 3" floppy disc (or M4Board SD card, X-MASS, SYMBiFACE II or whatever).
It's just "another" graphic card for an expandable machine (in this case based on a Z80 ;) ) and a graphical user interface, which is able to support any amount of resolutions and different colour depths without the need to modify existing application (they will always run due to the platform independency).
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Re: Using SymbOS with the GFX9000 (MSX grapics card)
« Reply #161 on: 23:37, 16 October 17 »
That's pretty cool. Are they being produced yet (the hardware) and what does the setup cost?

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Re: Using SymbOS with the GFX9000 (MSX grapics card)
« Reply #162 on: 23:43, 16 October 17 »
I thought there was no need for a CPC-specific card with the new MSX adapter?
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Re: Using SymbOS with the GFX9000 (MSX grapics card)
« Reply #163 on: 10:59, 17 October 17 »
@Prodatron Any chance of dual head output? i.e. dual monitors in symbos!?
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Re: Using SymbOS with the GFX9000 (MSX grapics card)
« Reply #164 on: 18:29, 25 October 17 »
@Prodatron Any chance of dual head output? i.e. dual monitors in symbos!?
It would be possible to have one SymShell running on the normal CPC monitor, while the GUI is still active on the GFX9000 display. Could be quite interesting and special.
During the last 2 days I made some progress with the G9K-Version of SymbOS CPC and will probably post some pictures or videos later.
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Re: Using SymbOS with the GFX9000 (MSX grapics card)
« Reply #165 on: 22:46, 25 October 17 »
And when will the Youtube client be finished? :D

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Re: Using SymbOS with the GFX9000 (MSX grapics card)
« Reply #166 on: 03:52, 27 October 17 »
First video showing SymbOS running on the Amstrad CPC with AMSDAP + original MSX Graphics9000 hardware connected:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plQf9_7zPSA
It's f*ing cool really, and beside some minor bugs it's fully working now :)

A nice idea and proof of concept, but as long as it's external it will never get even close to being useful.
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Re: Using SymbOS with the GFX9000 (MSX grapics card)
« Reply #167 on: 06:08, 27 October 17 »
This looks great!
I'm looking to do some MSX dev with the V9990 - and maybe later on the CPC too - so this is very interesting!
Is the AmsDAP going to be sold by the same makers as the MSX V9990? is the Amsdap going to be cheaper than the CPC-V9990 on its own - or is it better to take the plunge and buy the CPC one!
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Re: Using SymbOS with the GFX9000 (MSX grapics card)
« Reply #168 on: 08:53, 27 October 17 »
Yes! It's really f****ing cool! Looking torward to!!!
Hopefully Trebmints Quigs will support / include the new feature too.

The CPC monitor Output is black. Is it disabled for the moment?
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Re: Using SymbOS with the GFX9000 (MSX grapics card)
« Reply #169 on: 09:19, 27 October 17 »
First video showing SymbOS running on the Amstrad CPC with AMSDAP + original MSX Graphics9000 hardware connected:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plQf9_7zPSA
It's f*ing cool really, and beside some minor bugs it's fully working now :)
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For the video player, is it possible to avoid slow refresh by copying the video frames elsewhere in the video memory, then blit it to the final window?
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Re: Using SymbOS with the GFX9000 (MSX grapics card)
« Reply #170 on: 09:54, 27 October 17 »
@Prodatron: Yes, I take that back and eat my words. Very impressive.

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Re: Using SymbOS with the GFX9000 (MSX grapics card)
« Reply #171 on: 11:11, 27 October 17 »
First video showing SymbOS running on the Amstrad CPC with AMSDAP + original MSX Graphics9000 hardware connected:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plQf9_7zPSA
It's f*ing cool really, and beside some minor bugs it's fully working now :)
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hahah !! this is so cool to see! Now we have this nice color SymbOS as well on the CPC!!!!!  :P :P :P :P :P
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Re: Using SymbOS with the GFX9000 (MSX grapics card)
« Reply #172 on: 11:52, 27 October 17 »
Yes! It's really f****ing cool! Looking torward to!!!
Hopefully Trebmints Quigs will support / include the new feature too.

The CPC monitor Output is black. Is it disabled for the moment?
Yes quigs will. I took a week to re-implement the video with mp3, so I've been a little delayed, but we're getting near to a release
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Re: Using SymbOS with the GFX9000 (MSX grapics card)
« Reply #173 on: 12:45, 27 October 17 »
This is way too cool!


I was just watching the video full-screen, and my boss passed by my desk, he didn't notice I was actually watching a video :D
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Re: Using SymbOS with the GFX9000 (MSX grapics card)
« Reply #174 on: 15:27, 27 October 17 »
This is way too cool!


So very true! And isn't it wonderful to have supporting software before the official release of the card. I wished other expansion cards would have the same software support. That Powergraph is probably the #1 greatest expansion for 2017.  :)
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