Pearls in ROMs (Part 1 - serious)

[beaker]

Cool, thanks both for the information. As I can't get FutureOS working on my 6128+ at present I'll try your code over the weekend Pentagon 

[TFM]

@Pentagon: Obviously you search a fight - again! You try to misunderstand what I was writing with all means. I will not comment of your offensive posts anymore.

[Pentagon]

omg, i am not, please dont get me wrong. I am not looking for any fight. I am asking as a customer of the megaflash rom, why i cant have the same features in the basic version as in the FOS Version?

Are Basic users just users of 2nd class and why you put menus inside without any function? (In Basic version not available etc.) it would be easy to do that functions in basic version too. Those questions are usual customer questions without any offending.

I am just wondering, cause i am not using FOS and like to have the same features as coded in FOS Version too. I am thinking that both usergroups should have the same Apps and functions and not prefering just one system.

Thats all what i asked and you are the coder of both versions, so its just you who can give me and the community those important answers. Is there any serious reason why some functions just work with FOS and not with basic and why you differ between both versions so much?

And i am repeating again, i am not interested in a fight or any offensive posting. Those questions are important to me and other basic / usual Amsdos users.

Thanks a again and i dont think i missunderstand anything here. Its not wrong to ask for that, so please excuse for critical voice and dont get me wrong.

Kindly Regards
Tom

[TFM]

Ok, in principle I've written all of this already in the first post of that topic. So again...

- I created the Vortex DSK for myself, for my personal usage. And I decided to share it here. I have no time to convert it into 10000 versions to please everybody, because I have a job which is very time consuming. (And now, right now I'm wasting my scarce spare time. Instead of using it for CPC).

- If you want a special version, then please do it like everybody else did. Just ask, but don't offend.

- You either can use that DSK or ignore it. You can convert it in any way you like - I don't mind. But you do complain about that present. Imagine I spend you a Volkswagen and you complain, because it's not a Porsche. Yes! That's the way you act!

- If I share my software and people complain, then I have to think if I want to go through all that struggles or not. It would be more easy for me NOT to share anything else, right? Because then I don't get attacked here! That's obvious, right?

- We had the discussion about FutureOS in the c64 Forum, in the other German forum. Again and again, I'm sick of all that! I really can't hear it any longer. Can't you stop you holy war against my OS? Why don't you do a better one instead of?
If you have a problem with FutureOS, keep it! It's your problem! Nobody want's that kind of flame war here. So please stop it.

- The ROManager for BASIC can read ROMs with headers, but no ROMs without headers. The reason is that the BASIC load routine does expect an header.

- The ROManager for FutureOS can NOT read ROMs with headers, but it can read ROMs without headers. The reason is that the FutureOS load routine does expect a header-less file (in THIS case).

=> So both programs are a bit different due to the fact that the run under different OS. The are different but of EQUAL power.
I do not prefer any OS here! You got this? And if I would, then it still would be my personal decision! Not yours! Or do I tell you how to write your software? No, I don't. Because I respect the way people do their things. I may suggest my ideas to them, but I don't offend them!

Some sceners here (Bryce, Gryzor, and many others) just suggest good ideas to me, and I try to implement their ideas step by step - if doable. Why don't you try it in the positive way like they do?

If you want something, then in gods name be nice!

And now finally - and I really hate to be forced to come to that point - but finally boiled down to a nutshell: I never ever got a single cent from you. And you behave like somebody how did spend $1000 to me for that software. The way you behave is poisoning my good feelings for my hobby CPC. If there would be more people acting like you I would stop doing anything for my beloved CPC.

If you disagree, then read your own posting again. And that's it hopefully, because it's enough "offtopic".

[Pentagon]

Thank you very much for clarify that and dont be offended.

If you would do a PayPal Donate Button we can spend some money for your project. Other people did the same and i think its a good way give some donation for you and the project. I would donate some money too.

I am sorry, i dont want to start a discussion about FOS, i just wanted to discuss the points i was curious to know about it. So it was never something personal against you or your FOS. I just got the feeling that FOS users are prefered and Basic Users just had simple functions (cause of the message in your software "In Basic version not avaiable").

I am not asking offending or agressive, i just felt bad cause you release stuff for just FOS users and not for Basic so i felt a bit closeout.

I appreciate your work at the Megaflash rommanager, but i told you that a lot of times and said "thanks for that"

And as you remember i am always constructive but in a direct way, so its nothing personal with you. In the past we worked very fine together at Bug hunting the early versions. So i like to keep working at future versions too, but i really need the basic version with same power like the FOS version. That was all i need to know and i am thankful for that.

And please excuse my poor english that is a real problem, its not easy to describe problems in a foreign language here. In deutsch wäre das total schnell geklärt und nicht so schwer ;-) 


Gruß
Tom

[TFM]

Thanks' for the open words. Now, let's work together again.

I don't need any donations. But others may do. JavaCPC or CPCWiki just to name two.

[TFM]

ENG: Well, I took a look what can be done. So I found a way which allows the ROManager (FutureOS) also to load ROMs (17 KB) with headers. I have a bit of an idea how to load headerless ROMs with ROManager (CPC-OS), but I have to look closer, because I don't work much with the native OS.

DEU: Also, ich hab mir die ganze Sache mal angesehen. Der ROManager FutureOS lässt sich so umstricken, dass er auch 17 KB ROM mit Header laden kann.
Der ROManager für's CPC-OS sollte auch Header-lose ROMs laden können, ich habe da in etwa eine Idee wie ich das machen könnte. Muss mir das aber nochmals in Ruhe ansehen, da ich so gut wie nie für das native CPC-OS programmiere.

Anmerkung: Wenn man beide ROManager Versionen vergleicht, dann lässt sich auch erkennen, dass bei beiden die selben Funktionen nicht implementiert sind. So Sachen wie Verschlüsselung hab ich irgendwo im Hinterkopf, sind aber momentan noch von niemandem nachgefragt, also konzentriere ich mich eben auch so Sachen die der Gemeinschaft wichtiger erscheinen.
Das Grundgerüst beider Programme geht auf das CBM System für FutureOS zurück, deshalb ist da vieles dabei (z.B. Netzwerk) das für die ROM Verwaltung nicht nötig ist. Nun könnte man sagen, dass es sinnvoll wäre, den Text dann einfach rauszunehmen. Klar. Aber vieleicht habe ich ja doch noch mal die Zeit, ein paar mehr Funktionen einzubauen, deshalb lasse ich das erst mal drinnen. Sonnst hätte ich später nur wieder die Arbeit das alles neu reinzuprogrammieren, was ich zuvor gelöscht hätte.
So, damit sollten alle Klarheiten beseitigt sein. 

ENG: As you can see an translation in German language is always VERY long 

[Pentagon]

Thanks a lot, very good news here. If its really possible and you can do it, that would rock !

Danke für die deutsche Erklärung, klingt sehr vielversprechend und ich bin total gespannt.
Alle Klarheiten sind beseitigt 

Gruß
Tom

[Bryce]

If I may add my comment to the discussion:

One thing I found very annoying, was that I wanted to use both FOS and Basic Version (on ROM). I made a few DSKs with my collection of favourite ROMs and saved it to my HxC, but then I discovered that some would only load with FOS and some only with the BASIC Version! I had hoped to make use of both versions, but then I would need two sets of ROM images, so I was forced to choose. I had to go back and re-do all the disks and I can now only load these ROMs with the BASIC Version.

Bryce.

[ivarf]

ENG: As you can see an translation in German language is always VERY long 

I understand what you are doing. You are giving extra support to people that understand German! 

What about the rest of us?!!!!!!!

[Bryce]

Nordmenn trenger ikke ekstra støtte!

Bryce.

[ivarf]

Nordmenn trenger ikke ekstra støtte!

Bryce.

Ja, das kann mann sagen. Ich spreche und verstehe ein bichen German, so you are correct.



I tried google translate with "norwegians don't need extra support" and it gave the same translation as yours. Perfect Norwegian. I thought for a moment that you knew the language...

Eller kan du norsk?

[Bryce]

No. I've been there a few times, but I don't speak the language, I just know where to find the translator

Bryce.

[TFM]

If I may add my comment to the discussion:

One thing I found very annoying, was that I wanted to use both FOS and Basic Version (on ROM). I made a few DSKs with my collection of favourite ROMs and saved it to my HxC, but then I discovered that some would only load with FOS and some only with the BASIC Version! I had hoped to make use of both versions, but then I would need two sets of ROM images, so I was forced to choose. I had to go back and re-do all the disks and I can now only load these ROMs with the BASIC Version.

Bryce.

That is exactly right. And since I assumed that most of the people will use the CPC-OS version of the ROManager and that they would usually have ROM files with a header I focused on the CPC-OS version.

I'm aware of the problems with two versions. And I'm already in the process of making things better. However, as we all know, time is limited to 36 hours a day and 9 days a week

"So schnell schießen die Preussen auch nicht" ;-)

I understand what you are doing. You are giving extra support to people that understand German! 

What about the rest of us?!!!!!!!

Well, guys. Bad luck for you right now!



But the POKE to unlock the undocumented naked girls will be released only in languages spoken in Norway and Spain    The French get only the unlock sequence for the picture of a bottle of red wine 

[fgbrain]

- The ROManager for BASIC can read ROMs with headers, but no ROMs without headers. The reason is that the BASIC load routine does expect an header.

I remember (back in my good old coding age..) when I coded C-VIEW I used a patch to treat all ASCII files as BINARY, so that they load very fast... Of course with the normal firmware routines.

[TFM]

I remember (back in my good old coding age..) when I coded C-VIEW I used a patch to treat all ASCII files as BINARY, so that they load very fast... Of course with the normal firmware routines.

Yes, there is even a patched MAXAM which loads ASCII that way. So it is definitely way more quick.

Yesterday I teached the FutureOS version of ROManager to also read and process 17 KB (or 20 KB on 0.7 MB formats) ROMs. That was done in short time.

Next step is to teach the CPC-OS version to read also 16 KB headerless ROMs. Guess I'll can care about it the coming week.