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Title: Pearls in ROMs (Part 1 - serious)
Post by: TFM on 00:10, 07 March 12
Dear Friends of the CPC!

Here you get the ROM pearls for you CPC and your MegaFlash. Team FutureSoft (Bryce, Tolkin and TFM) have used all their archives (well, up to now at least a part of them...) to bring you a wonderful collection of ROMs. And the best is that it is all free! [nb]We just charge you with your soul, but you don't need it anyway[/nb]

You can directly install these ROMs using the ROManager for FutureOS. [nb]Ok, this suxx! But to be honest I made that collection for myself, but it's so nice, that I decided to share with everybody[/nb]

This is part 1, which means it contains serious ROMs.[nb]Explicit stuff maybe later ;-)[/nb]

There may be (sooner of later) a part 2, which contains ROMs with Games and other stuff.

Enjoy!
Title: Re: Pearls in ROMs (Part 1 - serious)
Post by: Bryce on 10:55, 07 March 12
How about a list of what ROMs it contains?

Bryce.
Title: Re: Pearls in ROMs (Part 1 - serious)
Post by: Gryzor on 13:46, 07 March 12
Quote from: zip contents
ROMs on Vortex disc
===================
- ALPHA100.ROM - Some tools
- ARCS-160.ROM / Press "1" after Reset to start into CPC-OS (all ROMs active)
- BCPL-100.ROM - BCPL Programming language
- COMMST-1.125  / Software for Amstrad Serial Interface
- COMMST-2.125 /
- CPM-1   .ROM  / Provide a ROM based CP/M Plus with enhanced features
- CPM-2   .ROM /
- CPM-3   .ROM  / Accessory ROMs for ROM based CP/M Plus: - CP/M Accesory Rom Ver. 2.30. Commands: NSWEEP, FORMAT, PCW, RUN, UNERA, D
- CPM-4   .ROM /                                          - DragonBreed Rom Ver. 1.01, Commands..: ECHO, ED, GOTO, IF, PATCH, XFORM
- D-DOS--2.00  / Can manage up to four floppy disc drives
- DES1    .ROM  / Hold Space after Reset to omit Autostart
- DES2    .ROM /  DES can switch to FutureOS transiently by using |FDESK command of Future OS ROM
- DISCOLO1.ROM  / The famous copier tools. One is the file ROM, the other is the Disc-Copy ROM
- DISCOLO2.ROM /
- DOSCPY13.ROM - Copy files from and to MSDOS discs
- HXC25   .ROM - Patched to have a Checksum!
- KNSROM  .ROM - Utilities
- KSERIAL .ROM - ROM based Utilities for a Serial Interface
- MAXAM114.ROM  / MAXAM Assembler with / without Text-Editor
- MAXAM150.ROM /
- MERGE107.ROM - Mail Merge for Protext ROM
- OCP1    .ROM   / |ART command will start Advanced OCP Art studio
- OCP2    .ROM  /
- OCP3    .ROM /
- PHELP111.ROM - HELP System for Protext ROM
- PROTEXT .ROM - Protext ROM in Version 1.22
- RAM-DISC.ROM - Dobbertin RAM disc provides 444 KB RAM drive C (access, use RSX |C)
- RODOS215.ROM  / Two versions of RODOS, new DOS written from Scratch
- RODOS219.ROM /
- SNDTRK-1.ROM  / Soundtrakker ROMs and Player
- SNDTRK-2.ROM /
- SOFT-BRN.127 - Software to manage the ROM-RAM-Box and the create ROMs
- SPELL110.ROM - Spell Checker for Prowort ROM
- STK12-1 .ROM   / Starkos, all three ROMs needed. No Checksum
- STK12-2 .ROM  /
- STK12GEN.ROM /
- TIME-ROM.110 / Needs Dobbertin SmartWatch for some commands
- UTOPI125.ROM - Utilitie ROM, not compatible to all other ROMs
- VARADOS .ROM - Patched to have a Checksum!
- XDDOS210.ROM - Excellent DOS, use |HELP or |HELP,rom-number commands for more information




Nice! Thanks for the collection. However, wouldn't this be more suited to the wiki itself, rather than the forum?
Title: Re: Pearls in ROMs (Part 1 - serious)
Post by: Bryce on 13:54, 07 March 12
They are all (I think) already available in the wiki in the ROMTable: http://www.cpcwiki.eu/index.php/ROM_Table (http://www.cpcwiki.eu/index.php/ROM_Table)

Bryce.
Title: Re: Pearls in ROMs (Part 1 - serious)
Post by: Pentagon on 14:04, 07 March 12
For all the people who cant read Vortex Format or need that collection in Amsdos Format, i have converted it to standard Amsdos Format at 4 discs

Kindly Regards
Tom / Pentagon
Title: Re: Pearls in ROMs (Part 1 - serious)
Post by: TFM on 18:05, 07 March 12
Quote from: Gryzor on 13:46, 07 March 12
Nice! Thanks for the collection. However, wouldn't this be more suited to the wiki itself, rather than the forum?

My pleasure! Yes, right, but I intend to add two or three more ROMs. Then I'll put it in the Wiki.

Quote from: Bryce on 13:54, 07 March 12
They are all (I think) already available in the wiki in the ROMTable: http://www.cpcwiki.eu/index.php/ROM_Table (http://www.cpcwiki.eu/index.php/ROM_Table)

Check again, start with letter "A"  ;)
Title: Re: Pearls in ROMs (Part 1 - serious)
Post by: Bryce on 21:36, 07 March 12
Well they SHOULD be on the ROM Table page! Why are you hogging them at home, when we could have them available in that list? :D

Bryce.
Title: Re: Pearls in ROMs (Part 1 - serious)
Post by: Gryzor on 12:16, 08 March 12
True dat!
Title: Re: Pearls in ROMs (Part 1 - serious)
Post by: TFM on 17:14, 08 March 12
Quote from: Bryce on 21:36, 07 March 12
Well they SHOULD be on the ROM Table page! Why are you hogging them at home, when we could have them available in that list? :D

Bryce.

Well, honestly... TIME! You guys from the islands are all TIMELORDs, and all I have is this one:

Dalek - EXTERMINATE! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxD-5z_xHBU#)

Steals all my time and therefore it took me that long. Good excuse, he? *Duck und weg*

Title: Re: Pearls in ROMs (Part 1 - serious)
Post by: TFM on 22:48, 08 March 12
Alright, finally finished the first Vortex disc, download it here (it part of the MegaFlash archive now):

http://www.colorado-boys-muenchen.de/users/futureos/files/MF_ROManager.zip (http://www.colorado-boys-muenchen.de/users/futureos/files/MF_ROManager.zip)

Some of these ROMs are not in the Wiki yet. (And I had no time to care about it yet). But feel free to do that by yourself  ;)

So with some luck I'll be able to create a second ROM disc too including Games and other nonsense but funny stuff.
Title: Re: Pearls in ROMs (Part 1 - serious)
Post by: steve on 23:25, 08 March 12
TFM/FS's download is 407.34KB whilst Pentagon's download is 121.51KB, why are the file sizes so different?
Title: Re: Pearls in ROMs (Part 1 - serious)
Post by: TFM on 23:41, 08 March 12
Quote from: steve on 23:25, 08 March 12
TFM's download is 407.34 KB whilst Pentagon's download is 121.51 KB, why are the file sizes so different?

- Because Pentagon cares more about his weight

- Because I added eight new ROMs  ;D

- I added some CPC specific virus

- Because the DSK is now part of a bigger archive including the ROManager which you need to get that stuff in your MegaFlash

Guess that's it!  :)
Title: Re: Pearls in ROMs (Part 1 - serious)
Post by: steve on 23:45, 08 March 12
Quote from: TFM/FS on 23:41, 08 March 12

- Because Pentagon cares more about his weight

- Because I added eight new ROMs  ;D

- I added some CPC specific virus

- Because the DSK is now part of a bigger archive including the ROManager which you need to get that stuff in your MegaFlash

Guess that's it!  :)

Quote from: Pentagon on 14:04, 07 March 12
For all the people who cant read Vortex Format or need that collection in Amsdos Format, i have converted it to standard Amsdos Format at 4 discs

Kindly Regards
Tom / Pentagon


This suggests that the 2 files had the same contents.
P.S I now think that yesterday TFM/FS's file was about 306KB which is still nearly 3 times the size, is that just because a different disk format was used?
Title: Re: Pearls in ROMs (Part 1 - serious)
Post by: TFM on 00:48, 09 March 12
Well, the disc format is not the reason here. Rather the compression. I just used RAR creating a ZIP folder.

But what really counts is the CPC side of life:
Therefore - honestly - I really prefer to have all my Ulilities and Tools ROMs on a single disc instead of having the need to search on four different sides for a particular ROM.  ;)

cu. TFM
Title: Re: Pearls in ROMs (Part 1 - serious)
Post by: steve on 01:13, 09 March 12
I'm still confused as to why a compressed file is larger than an uncompressed one but nevermind, do any of the DOSes decompress RAR files "on the fly"?
Title: Re: Pearls in ROMs (Part 1 - serious)
Post by: Pentagon on 08:27, 09 March 12
Hello Steve,

i used a very high compression with Winrar and Winrar ZIP. Both Files should have the same content from 06.FEB/2012. Its easier to compress more Files with small parts then one with a larger File.

As TFM wrote before, the most important thing is the same content.

QuoteTherefore - honestly - I really prefer to have all my Ulilities and Tools ROMs on a single disc instead of having the need to search on four different sides for a particular ROM.

Sure no problem, but a lot of people cant read Vortex Format at real CPC engine, so i just thought i can do a favour and converted it. We are glad to get your generous Rom Pearls, but really if you include that great disk to your Megaflash Manager Archive, you also should add simple Amsdos Format too. I know a lot of users who really just can read simple Amdos. If you own a 464 with a DDI-1 Drive and a megaflash, then you are able to convert and run the 464 Megaflash Rom Manager but you cant read the Vortex Disc, cause the necessary Rom to read out is hidden in the DSK  ;D

So i would suggest to include all kind of formats and if you like i can do the conversion from Vortex to Amsdos for you, if you release the next ROM Pearls. Thank you anyway for the great work and the Rom Manager. I am still excited to get the next version of 1.44 and hope to get the Flash Chip Init Protection On / Off.

Cheers
Tom / Pentagon


Title: Re: Pearls in ROMs (Part 1 - serious)
Post by: Bryce on 10:47, 09 March 12
How is the compressed larger than the uncompressed? There are 40 ROMs x 16K, so the uncompressed size would be at least 640K. Of course, if they are on a disk image that needs to be at least 700K the uncompressed file would be even bigger.

Bryce.
Title: Re: Pearls in ROMs (Part 1 - serious)
Post by: Pentagon on 11:35, 09 March 12
But the compressed isnt larger then the uncompressed. TFM compressed his 700K Vortex DSK to 400 Kb with WinZip or Winrar i think.
I compressed mine to 120Kb with WinRar in Zip Mode.

So both files are not larger then the uncompressed. Maybe i missunderstood something.

Both uncompressed files do have the same size +/- 20kbytes

Cheers
Tom / Pentagon
Title: Re: Pearls in ROMs (Part 1 - serious)
Post by: Bryce on 12:07, 09 March 12
I badly phrased my post, it was actually questioning steve as to what made him think that the compressed one was larger.

Bryce.
Title: Re: Pearls in ROMs (Part 1 - serious)
Post by: steve on 14:57, 09 March 12
TFM/FS said in one of his posts that the files were compressed, his file was larger at 306KB, pentagon said his 121KB file was in AMSDOS format, which I thought  was intended to go straight onto an AMSDOS disk, my misunderstanding was in thinking that his file was created to copy straight to 3" disk and therefore uncompressed.
Title: Re: Pearls in ROMs (Part 1 - serious)
Post by: TFM on 18:36, 09 March 12
Quote from: Pentagon on 08:27, 09 March 12
Sure no problem, but a lot of people cant read Vortex Format at real CPC engine, so i just thought i can do a favour and converted it.

Sure. And sure people will appreciate your work :)  Since this forum is more international less people will use Vortex format compared to Germany alone. And it's no gain to see XDDOS on a disc you can't read  ;)

Quote from: Pentagon on 08:27, 09 March 12
... if you include that great disk to your Megaflash Manager Archive, you also should add simple Amsdos Format too.

Well in case of the MegaFlash people can use ROManager for FutureOS which can read Vortex format. So no problem here.

Quote from: Pentagon on 08:27, 09 March 12
I know a lot of users who really just can read simple Amdos. If you own a 464 with a DDI-1 Drive and a megaflash, then you are able to convert and run the 464 Megaflash Rom Manager but you cant read the Vortex Disc, cause the necessary Rom to read out is hidden in the DSK  ;D

Sure, right, the 464 is a problem here. The more your help is appreciated.

Quote from: Pentagon on 08:27, 09 March 12
So i would suggest to include all kind of formats and if you like i can do the conversion from Vortex to Amsdos for you, if you release the next ROM Pearls. Thank you anyway for the great work and the Rom Manager. I am still excited to get the next version of 1.44 and hope to get the Flash Chip Init Protection On / Off.

Cheers
Tom / Pentagon

Well, honestly, my "excuse" would be "real life", but to copy ROMs to Amsdos DSKs should not be too time consuming. Maybe I call it "real life distractions"  ;)  I'm a bit busy for today, but I hope to catch some scattered ROMs together later (have to look at a lot of old DSKs).

I'll attach the "status of the day" version of ROManager 1.44. But I'm sorry to say this is just the FutureOS version. Reason: Some features must be checked before I can move on to the Amsdos version. I don't want to work at both at the same time. So this is work in progress. Functions "Protect Flash" and "Init Flash" are NOT tested!!! The documantation is on disc though (and updated). The file to start is called "-R." and source is on disc too (no ROMs though).

Title: Re: Pearls in ROMs (Part 1 - serious)
Post by: TFM on 20:43, 13 March 12
Attention: Please DO NOT use the "Protect Flash" and the "Init Flash" options. They are under construction and corrupt (todays result) the Flash chip. The 1.44 is still WIP.
Title: Re: Pearls in ROMs (Part 1 - serious)
Post by: beaker on 00:57, 15 March 12
Quote from: Pentagon on 14:04, 07 March 12
For all the people who cant read Vortex Format or need that collection in Amsdos Format, i have converted it to standard Amsdos Format at 4 discs

Kindly Regards
Tom / Pentagon

Sorry, I am a bit new to this still and need some help. I downloaded this version and all the roms seem to be 16k so are probably headerless and the basic version of rom manager doesn't like it when I try to load the rom. How do I go about putting back the header or is there something else I need to do? I tried a quick search of the wiki but couldn't see anything; is there a dummy's guide someone can point me to?
Title: Re: Pearls in ROMs (Part 1 - serious)
Post by: TFM on 04:25, 15 March 12
Quote from: beaker on 00:57, 15 March 12

Sorry, I am a bit new to this still and need some help. I downloaded this version and all the roms seem to be 16k so are probably headerless and the basic version of rom manager doesn't like it when I try to load the rom.

That's right. But deleting the headers saves 20% space on the disc :) You can just (means easily) use the ROManager for FutureOS - because this version only works with headerless ROMs :-)   (See three postings ago for the link). But don't use "Init Flash" or "Protect Flash" functions, they are under construction!
Title: Re: Pearls in ROMs (Part 1 - serious)
Post by: Pentagon on 08:15, 15 March 12
I dont know why just FOS can handle those roms. The basic version should be able to do the same things like the FOS version. Its a bad taste to be forced installing FOS to have all features.
Its not very professional to cut down the basic version to minimal. Its possible to code same features in Basic, wich you add to FOS. There is no reason to prefer just the own system and keep behind the other users who cant use FOS or dont want to use FOS. Maybe you can add the missing features for all other users too? Or is there any serious reason why people should use FOS to handle headerless roms? I dont think so and whoever dont like FOS should be able to use the same features you coded for FOS. That would be very nice and professional.

Now he need to convert the great Rom Pearls collection by hand and thats not nice and friendly just to prefer one (the own) system. Its just vortex , its just FOS. What about all other users who cant install FOS or dont like to use? Do you still keep them out of goodies? Are they just users 2nd class behind?

First i thought you forgot the amsdos users and usual CPC Users. But i think its your politics just to code the "goodies" for FOS and keep the simple to Basic. Its possible to do that for both systems. Please think about that and maybe you can give the same features to all users in future? Basic / FOS / Amsdos / Vortex its all a kind of good will to do.


Here is a simple untested code to convert the headerless ROMS back to Header.

Its not tested, but it should work:

Convert this to Data Codes (for Example at &3F00):

LD HL,$4000
LD DE,$4000
loop:
CALL $BC80  ; CAS IN CHAR
LD (HL),A
INC HL
DEC DE
LD A,L
OR H
JR NZ,loop
RET

add following Basic Code

10 REM ------ HEADERLESS-ROM CONVERTER ------

20 MEMORY &3EFF
30 DATA xxxxx (Add the Data Codes from Above Code)
40 FOR N%=0 TO anz bytes-1
50 READ A;POKE &3F00+N%,A
60 NEXT
70 INPUT "ROMNAME:",rom$
80 OPENIN rom$:CALL &3F00:CLOSEIN
90 INPUT "NEW NAME:",neu$
100 SAVE neu$,b,&4000,&4000
110 PRINT "ROM saved"


Thanks a lot for accept criticial voice too and dont hate me for my open words. Its a discussion forum and there are lots of people out there, who cant waste 4 slots of a rombox / megaflash to use FOS. The usual / normal user have an unexpanded system with amsdos and every expansion should work fine with supporting all possible features like the FOS version can handle.

Kindly regards
Tom / Pentagon


Title: Re: Pearls in ROMs (Part 1 - serious)
Post by: beaker on 17:15, 15 March 12
Cool, thanks both for the information. As I can't get FutureOS working on my 6128+ at present I'll try your code over the weekend Pentagon  :D
Title: Re: Pearls in ROMs (Part 1 - serious)
Post by: TFM on 18:06, 15 March 12
@Pentagon: Obviously you search a fight - again! You try to misunderstand what I was writing with all means. I will not comment of your offensive posts anymore.
Title: Re: Pearls in ROMs (Part 1 - serious)
Post by: Pentagon on 18:55, 15 March 12
omg, i am not, please dont get me wrong. I am not looking for any fight. I am asking as a customer of the megaflash rom, why i cant have the same features in the basic version as in the FOS Version?

Are Basic users just users of 2nd class and why you put menus inside without any function? (In Basic version not available etc.) it would be easy to do that functions in basic version too. Those questions are usual customer questions without any offending.

I am just wondering, cause i am not using FOS and like to have the same features as coded in FOS Version too. I am thinking that both usergroups should have the same Apps and functions and not prefering just one system.

Thats all what i asked and you are the coder of both versions, so its just you who can give me and the community those important answers. Is there any serious reason why some functions just work with FOS and not with basic and why you differ between both versions so much?

And i am repeating again, i am not interested in a fight or any offensive posting. Those questions are important to me and other basic / usual Amsdos users.

Thanks a again and i dont think i missunderstand anything here. Its not wrong to ask for that, so please excuse for critical voice and dont get me wrong.

Kindly Regards
Tom
Title: Re: Pearls in ROMs (Part 1 - serious)
Post by: TFM on 21:01, 15 March 12
Ok, in principle I've written all of this already in the first post of that topic. So again...

- I created the Vortex DSK for myself, for my personal usage. And I decided to share it here. I have no time to convert it into 10000 versions to please everybody, because I have a job which is very time consuming. (And now, right now I'm wasting my scarce spare time. Instead of using it for CPC).

- If you want a special version, then please do it like everybody else did. Just ask, but don't offend.

- You either can use that DSK or ignore it. You can convert it in any way you like - I don't mind. But you do complain about that present. Imagine I spend you a Volkswagen and you complain, because it's not a Porsche. Yes! That's the way you act!

- If I share my software and people complain, then I have to think if I want to go through all that struggles or not. It would be more easy for me NOT to share anything else, right? Because then I don't get attacked here! That's obvious, right?

- We had the discussion about FutureOS in the c64 Forum, in the other German forum. Again and again, I'm sick of all that! I really can't hear it any longer. Can't you stop you holy war against my OS? Why don't you do a better one instead of?
If you have a problem with FutureOS, keep it! It's your problem! Nobody want's that kind of flame war here. So please stop it.

- The ROManager for BASIC can read ROMs with headers, but no ROMs without headers. The reason is that the BASIC load routine does expect an header.

- The ROManager for FutureOS can NOT read ROMs with headers, but it can read ROMs without headers. The reason is that the FutureOS load routine does expect a header-less file (in THIS case).

=> So both programs are a bit different due to the fact that the run under different OS. The are different but of EQUAL power.
I do not prefer any OS here! You got this? And if I would, then it still would be my personal decision! Not yours! Or do I tell you how to write your software? No, I don't. Because I respect the way people do their things. I may suggest my ideas to them, but I don't offend them!

Some sceners here (Bryce, Gryzor, and many others) just suggest good ideas to me, and I try to implement their ideas step by step - if doable. Why don't you try it in the positive way like they do?

If you want something, then in gods name be nice!

And now finally - and I really hate to be forced to come to that point - but finally boiled down to a nutshell: I never ever got a single cent from you. And you behave like somebody how did spend $1000 to me for that software. The way you behave is poisoning my good feelings for my hobby CPC. If there would be more people acting like you I would stop doing anything for my beloved CPC.

If you disagree, then read your own posting again. And that's it hopefully, because it's enough "offtopic".

Title: Re: Pearls in ROMs (Part 1 - serious)
Post by: Pentagon on 21:43, 15 March 12
Thank you very much for clarify that and dont be offended.

If you would do a PayPal Donate Button we can spend some money for your project. Other people did the same and i think its a good way give some donation for you and the project. I would donate some money too.

I am sorry, i dont want to start a discussion about FOS, i just wanted to discuss the points i was curious to know about it. So it was never something personal against you or your FOS. I just got the feeling that FOS users are prefered and Basic Users just had simple functions (cause of the message in your software "In Basic version not avaiable").

I am not asking offending or agressive, i just felt bad cause you release stuff for just FOS users and not for Basic so i felt a bit closeout.

I appreciate your work at the Megaflash rommanager, but i told you that a lot of times and said "thanks for that"

And as you remember i am always constructive but in a direct way, so its nothing personal with you. In the past we worked very fine together at Bug hunting the early versions. So i like to keep working at future versions too, but i really need the basic version with same power like the FOS version. That was all i need to know and i am thankful for that.

And please excuse my poor english that is a real problem, its not easy to describe problems in a foreign language here. In deutsch wäre das total schnell geklärt und nicht so schwer ;-) 


Gruß
Tom

Title: Re: Pearls in ROMs (Part 1 - serious)
Post by: TFM on 22:10, 15 March 12
Thanks' for the open words. Now, let's work together again.

I don't need any donations. But others may do. JavaCPC or CPCWiki just to name two.
Title: Re: Pearls in ROMs (Part 1 - serious)
Post by: TFM on 04:01, 16 March 12
ENG: Well, I took a look what can be done. So I found a way which allows the ROManager (FutureOS) also to load ROMs (17 KB) with headers. I have a bit of an idea how to load headerless ROMs with ROManager (CPC-OS), but I have to look closer, because I don't work much with the native OS.

DEU: Also, ich hab mir die ganze Sache mal angesehen. Der ROManager FutureOS lässt sich so umstricken, dass er auch 17 KB ROM mit Header laden kann.
Der ROManager für's CPC-OS sollte auch Header-lose ROMs laden können, ich habe da in etwa eine Idee wie ich das machen könnte. Muss mir das aber nochmals in Ruhe ansehen, da ich so gut wie nie für das native CPC-OS programmiere.

Anmerkung: Wenn man beide ROManager Versionen vergleicht, dann lässt sich auch erkennen, dass bei beiden die selben Funktionen nicht implementiert sind. So Sachen wie Verschlüsselung hab ich irgendwo im Hinterkopf, sind aber momentan noch von niemandem nachgefragt, also konzentriere ich mich eben auch so Sachen die der Gemeinschaft wichtiger erscheinen.
Das Grundgerüst beider Programme geht auf das CBM System für FutureOS zurück, deshalb ist da vieles dabei (z.B. Netzwerk) das für die ROM Verwaltung nicht nötig ist. Nun könnte man sagen, dass es sinnvoll wäre, den Text dann einfach rauszunehmen. Klar. Aber vieleicht habe ich ja doch noch mal die Zeit, ein paar mehr Funktionen einzubauen, deshalb lasse ich das erst mal drinnen. Sonnst hätte ich später nur wieder die Arbeit das alles neu reinzuprogrammieren, was ich zuvor gelöscht hätte.
So, damit sollten alle Klarheiten beseitigt sein.  ;)

ENG: As you can see an translation in German language is always VERY long  :laugh:
Title: Re: Pearls in ROMs (Part 1 - serious)
Post by: Pentagon on 09:51, 16 March 12
Thanks a lot, very good news here. If its really possible and you can do it, that would rock !

Danke für die deutsche Erklärung, klingt sehr vielversprechend und ich bin total gespannt.
Alle Klarheiten sind beseitigt  ;D

Gruß
Tom

Title: Re: Pearls in ROMs (Part 1 - serious)
Post by: Bryce on 10:50, 16 March 12
If I may add my comment to the discussion:

One thing I found very annoying, was that I wanted to use both FOS and Basic Version (on ROM). I made a few DSKs with my collection of favourite ROMs and saved it to my HxC, but then I discovered that some would only load with FOS and some only with the BASIC Version! I had hoped to make use of both versions, but then I would need two sets of ROM images, so I was forced to choose. I had to go back and re-do all the disks and I can now only load these ROMs with the BASIC Version.

Bryce.
Title: Re: Pearls in ROMs (Part 1 - serious)
Post by: ivarf on 12:28, 16 March 12
Quote from: TFM/FS on 04:01, 16 March 12
ENG: As you can see an translation in German language is always VERY long  :laugh:

I understand what you are doing. You are giving extra support to people that understand German!  :o

What about the rest of us?!!!!!!! >:(


;)
Title: Re: Pearls in ROMs (Part 1 - serious)
Post by: Bryce on 12:48, 16 March 12
Nordmenn trenger ikke ekstra støtte! :D

Bryce.
Title: Re: Pearls in ROMs (Part 1 - serious)
Post by: ivarf on 14:30, 16 March 12
Quote from: Bryce on 12:48, 16 March 12
Nordmenn trenger ikke ekstra støtte! :D

Bryce.

Ja, das kann mann sagen. Ich spreche und verstehe ein bichen German, so you are correct. ;)



I tried google translate with "norwegians don't need extra support" and it gave the same translation as yours. Perfect Norwegian. I thought for a moment that you knew the language... :)

Eller kan du norsk?
Title: Re: Pearls in ROMs (Part 1 - serious)
Post by: Bryce on 14:40, 16 March 12
No. I've been there a few times, but I don't speak the language, I just know where to find the translator :D

Bryce.
Title: Re: Pearls in ROMs (Part 1 - serious)
Post by: TFM on 17:58, 16 March 12
Quote from: Bryce on 10:50, 16 March 12
If I may add my comment to the discussion:

One thing I found very annoying, was that I wanted to use both FOS and Basic Version (on ROM). I made a few DSKs with my collection of favourite ROMs and saved it to my HxC, but then I discovered that some would only load with FOS and some only with the BASIC Version! I had hoped to make use of both versions, but then I would need two sets of ROM images, so I was forced to choose. I had to go back and re-do all the disks and I can now only load these ROMs with the BASIC Version.

Bryce.

That is exactly right. And since I assumed that most of the people will use the CPC-OS version of the ROManager and that they would usually have ROM files with a header I focused on the CPC-OS version.

I'm aware of the problems with two versions. And I'm already in the process of making things better. However, as we all know, time is limited to 36 hours a day and 9 days a week :-*

"So schnell schießen die Preussen auch nicht" ;-)


Quote from: ivarf on 12:28, 16 March 12

I understand what you are doing. You are giving extra support to people that understand German!  :o

What about the rest of us?!!!!!!! >:(


;)

Well, guys. Bad luck for you right now!



But the POKE to unlock the undocumented naked girls will be released only in languages spoken in Norway and Spain  :laugh:  The French get only the unlock sequence for the picture of a bottle of red wine  :-X :laugh: :-X
Title: Re: Pearls in ROMs (Part 1 - serious)
Post by: fgbrain on 00:54, 17 March 12
Quote- The ROManager for BASIC can read ROMs with headers, but no ROMs without headers. The reason is that the BASIC load routine does expect an header.

I remember (back in my good old coding age..) when I coded C-VIEW I used a patch to treat all ASCII files as BINARY, so that they load very fast... Of course with the normal firmware routines.
Title: Re: Pearls in ROMs (Part 1 - serious)
Post by: TFM on 00:06, 18 March 12
Quote from: fgbrain on 00:54, 17 March 12
I remember (back in my good old coding age..) when I coded C-VIEW I used a patch to treat all ASCII files as BINARY, so that they load very fast... Of course with the normal firmware routines.

Yes, there is even a patched MAXAM which loads ASCII that way. So it is definitely way more quick.

Yesterday I teached the FutureOS version of ROManager to also read and process 17 KB (or 20 KB on 0.7 MB formats) ROMs. That was done in short time.

Next step is to teach the CPC-OS version to read also 16 KB headerless ROMs. Guess I'll can care about it the coming week.
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