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French roms

Started by Fran123, 16:46, 07 October 24

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Fran123

Hello

I downloaded the french roms but the qwerty version doesn't work, it prints azerty when you push "qwerty".

Are they wrong?  Do those files exist?

Thank you

roudoudou

French rom is azerty. Everything is ok
My pronouns are RASM and ACE

Gryzor

That's... What they're supposed to do 😁

poulette73


BSC

Quote from: Fran123 on 16:46, 07 October 24Are they wrong?
Yes, they are, nobody in his right mind would arrange keys like this  ;)
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robcfg

Well, Germans have QWERTZ keyboards...  ;D

Fran123

I asked because in this link  https://www.cpcwiki.eu/imgs/a/af/French_6128_ROMs.zip  they are roms for QWERTY and AZERTY.

Nich

Quote from: BSC on 19:52, 07 October 24Yes, they are, nobody in his right mind would arrange keys like this  ;)
I can never get used to having to use the Shift key to type numbers on the top row of an AZERTY keyboard - even though the numeric keypad exists. Typing in listings or code feels particularly awkward!

Prodatron

Quote from: Fran123 on 20:17, 07 October 24I asked because in this link  https://www.cpcwiki.eu/imgs/a/af/French_6128_ROMs.zip  they are roms for QWERTY and AZERTY.

You could modify them.

The 464 rom has the translation tables starting at #1d69
The 664/6128 rom at #1eef.

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Gryzor

Quote from: Fran123 on 20:17, 07 October 24I asked because in this link  https://www.cpcwiki.eu/imgs/a/af/French_6128_ROMs.zip  they are roms for QWERTY and AZERTY.

This is something I didn't remember. 

What's the point in them? Anyone?

poulette73

Quote from: Nich on 20:19, 07 October 24I can never get used to having to use the Shift key to type numbers on the top row of an AZERTY keyboard - even though the numeric keypad exists. Typing in listings or code feels particularly awkward!

This is just a geographical point of view.  ;)

I could say exactly the same thing about QWERTY keyboards, where I find access to symbols much more complicated to type because it requires the use of the SHIFT key, and where I consider typing listings easier.

I am 51 years old and I have always lived with the AZERTY standard ! On old typewriters, then the first IBM PC computers, all 8-bit computers, then 16-bit computers like Atari and Amiga, and others...

And today both in personal life or in the professional world.

It is just a habit anchored in each of us every day, like the language we speak, or the currency we use.  8)

Gryzor

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poulette73

Quote from: Gryzor on 05:37, 08 October 24
Quote from: Fran123 on 20:17, 07 October 24I asked because in this link  https://www.cpcwiki.eu/imgs/a/af/French_6128_ROMs.zip  they are roms for QWERTY and AZERTY.

This is something I didn't remember.

@Fran123 : The explanation is a shortage of Amstrad CPC stocks for the French market... The very first Amstrad CPCs were sold in France in QWERTY version, but with the FR rom.
It was only in 1986 that Amstrad was able to deliver AZERTY computers in France.  :)

Gryzor

Quote from: poulette73 on 07:40, 08 October 24
Quote from: Gryzor on 05:37, 08 October 24
Quote from: Fran123 on 20:17, 07 October 24I asked because in this link  https://www.cpcwiki.eu/imgs/a/af/French_6128_ROMs.zip  they are roms for QWERTY and AZERTY.

This is something I didn't remember.

@Fran123 : The explanation is a shortage of Amstrad CPC stocks for the French market... The very first Amstrad CPCs were sold in France in QWERTY version, but with the FR rom.
It was only in 1986 that Amstrad was able to deliver AZERTY computers in France.  :)

Ahhh ok, learn something new every day...

eto

#14
Quote from: robcfg on 20:00, 07 October 24Well, Germans have QWERTZ keyboards...  ;D
Generally yes. But not on the CPC: The German CPCs were almost identical UK models with UK keyboard layout and UK ROM. No umlauts for us  :(

McArti0

Quote from: eto on 08:41, 08 October 24No umlauts for us  :(
And wasn't there a fashion in Germany for additional replacement ROMs?
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eto

Quote from: McArti0 on 10:15, 08 October 24And wasn't there a fashion in Germany for additional replacement ROMs?
I don't know - I never cared about it. As most home computers had the US or UK layout anyway, that was not too different. 

Bryce

Quote from: Gryzor on 05:37, 08 October 24
Quote from: Fran123 on 20:17, 07 October 24I asked because in this link  https://www.cpcwiki.eu/imgs/a/af/French_6128_ROMs.zip  they are roms for QWERTY and AZERTY.

This is something I didn't remember.

What's the point in them? Anyone?

The French QWERTY ROM was probably required because the CPC was more popular than expected and they ran out of AWERTY Keyboards for the French market. I remember someone telling me that their original French CPC came with a QWERTY keyboard.

Bryce.

Bryce

Quote from: McArti0 on 10:15, 08 October 24
Quote from: eto on 08:41, 08 October 24No umlauts for us  :(
And wasn't there a fashion in Germany for additional replacement ROMs?

There was a few alternative ROMs in Germany for alternative disk drives, but I don't think there were any alternative Firmware or BASIC ROMs.

Bryce.

poulette73

#19
Quote from: Bryce on 13:07, 08 October 24The French QWERTY ROM was probably required because the CPC was more popular than expected and they ran out of AWERTY Keyboards for the French market. I remember someone telling me that their original French CPC came with a QWERTY keyboard.

Bryce.
That's what I explained few posts above :D :
https://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/index.php?msg=243492

It was really at the very beginning, Amstrad had no AZERTY keyboard in stock for the first year of CPC 6128, and sold QWERTY with a FR rom 

Bryce

Oh, must have skipped over that.

Bryce.

Nich

Quote from: eto on 08:41, 08 October 24
Quote from: robcfg on 20:00, 07 October 24Well, Germans have QWERTZ keyboards...  ;D
Generally yes. But not on the CPC: The German CPCs were almost identical UK models with UK keyboard layout and UK ROM. No umlauts for us  :(
But I thought umlauts aren't essential in the German language, since you can use substitute digraphs (e.g. ü -> ue)? :P

Prodatron

Quote from: Nich on 17:56, 08 October 24
Quote from: eto on 08:41, 08 October 24
Quote from: robcfg on 20:00, 07 October 24Well, Germans have QWERTZ keyboards...  ;D
Generally yes. But not on the CPC: The German CPCs were almost identical UK models with UK keyboard layout and UK ROM. No umlauts for us  :(
But I thought umlauts aren't essential in the German language, since you can use substitute digraphs (e.g. ü -> ue)? :P

You are right! I wonder if other languages with these strange extra-characters have such replacements as well?

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GUNHED

Quote from: robcfg on 20:00, 07 October 24Well, Germans have QWERTZ keyboards...  ;D
Yes, just to be able to type "Z80" more quick.  ;)
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GUNHED

Quote from: Nich on 17:56, 08 October 24
Quote from: eto on 08:41, 08 October 24
Quote from: robcfg on 20:00, 07 October 24Well, Germans have QWERTZ keyboards...  ;D
Generally yes. But not on the CPC: The German CPCs were almost identical UK models with UK keyboard layout and UK ROM. No umlauts for us  :(
But I thought umlauts aren't essential in the German language, since you can use substitute digraphs (e.g. ü -> ue)? :P
True, this can be done. But it totally suxx! 
However, it's no problem to redefine characters (even using BASIC). 
And CP/M allows to set up language dependant character sets anyway.
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