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Poll
Question: Like the new Portal homepage?
Option 1: Yes votes: 95
Option 2: No votes: 46
Option 3: Needs customisation votes: 21
Title: Portal
Post by: Gryzor on 08:18, 01 October 16
So, I finally thought I'd give it a try. Been reading and looking into it all day yesterday and I woke up bright and early to implement it...


As you can see we have have a variety of stuff on the homepage, and it can be customised exactly how we want it.


What do you think? I know it may take a while to get used to, so please do give it a try, but in any case let me know!
Title: Re: Portal
Post by: reidrac on 08:25, 01 October 16
It is quite busy with some boxes that don't really add useful information (or at least not information that you need in first line all the time; like board stats or top posters).

Now that you're playing with new ideas, one of the problems of the forum is post discoverability. I think people used to browse the old box with the latest posts and when a post goes out to the 2nd or 3rd page it goes unnoticed.

Not sure how to improve that though :)
Title: Re: Portal
Post by: Gryzor on 08:28, 01 October 16
Thanks for your feedback. Yes, I'm still wading through the options the portal system offers in order to find a good balance. If you want you can take a look at what we can have here: http://simpleportal.net/index.php?action=docs;area=adding_a_block


Board stats and top posters (which was moved and made "this month" instead of "all time") is just a fun tidbit/trivia, but I agree, nothing earth-shattering.


Not sure what you mean by the 2nd-3rd page and going unnoticed - is there a way to have *everything* on page #1?
Title: Re: Portal
Post by: reidrac on 08:40, 01 October 16
The only downside of 3 columns, for me, is that I don't browse with the browser maximised so it really looks busy (boxes waste some space with borders and such).

Quote from: Gryzor on 08:28, 01 October 16
Not sure what you mean by the 2nd-3rd page and going unnoticed - is there a way to have *everything* on page #1?

Not sure, but I suspect it could best to not have it at all so people can check the sections for posts. I don't know :)
Title: Re: Portal
Post by: Gryzor on 08:43, 01 October 16
Concerning the columns, I may remove one of them (the right one?). I think that at least one column is useful.


As for not having the section at all, I'm with you :D For some reason some people find useful though. Each to his own, I guess...


People! If you vote No, at least have the common sense to offer some feedback, please!
Title: Re: Portal
Post by: Gryzor on 08:45, 01 October 16
Ah, by the way, you can collapse the side columns by using the two small (tiny, actually!) buttons at the top right.
Title: Re: Portal
Post by: ZbyniuR on 08:49, 01 October 16
Any chance to change logo?
Title: Re: Portal
Post by: Gryzor on 08:50, 01 October 16
Quote from: ZbyniuR on 08:49, 01 October 16
Any chance to change logo?


Eh? :D
Title: Re: Portal
Post by: 1024MAK on 11:49, 01 October 16
First impressions - Oh! My! Am I on the right forum? :-\

Then I tried out the new chat box... And it operated the other way round to what I expected. What's all this new stuff on a retro forum?!!!!

I've discovered the (very, very little) "-" icons to remove the side bars.

It's not a 100% hate, nor a 100% love, but a hmm, I will have to see how it goes...

So I voted on the last option, as there is redundant info in the side bars.

Mark
Title: Re: Portal
Post by: seanb on 12:06, 01 October 16
My first impressions is that I don't mind the look of the new portal.
But it is a bit cluttered.
Recent topics is on there twice as well 5 comments from the recent topics.
Also there is only access to the first page of recent topics.
Plus cpcwiki no longer has a mobile view. That isn't that important. The site loads quick and is responsive on a phone.


But let's see how Gryzor customises it further.
Title: Re: Portal
Post by: SOS on 12:38, 01 October 16
If i where new user:
I see an overloaded portal
Where are the sub-forums: I see only the recent posts, but here is something going on?
Or is it a closed forum?
I think, i will go away. :(
Title: Re: Portal
Post by: Shaun M. Neary on 13:31, 01 October 16
Sorry, but this one's a no from me. I'm on for change, but this is a little too much. It's just too cluttered.


Too much unnecessary stuff at the sides like who's online, top 5 posts, etc that were better suited to the bottom of the forum.


We've gone and fixed something that wasn't necessarily broken to begin with. ;)  That being said, if most people like it, then cool. I only really post in the Games forum anyway so I'd probably just bookmark that, but the main portal is a bit of an eyesore unfortunately.
Title: Re: Portal
Post by: ||C|-|E|| on 13:40, 01 October 16
A bit overloaded as well in my opinion  :) I mean, it is cool because you can customize it but I think that, in this case, the simpler the better. Maybe is because I am already familiar with the old appearance of the forum!  :D
Title: Re: Portal
Post by: remax on 13:51, 01 October 16
I am against clicking another link to have access to the forum for little to no benefit.

Title: Re: Portal
Post by: Gryzor on 15:36, 01 October 16
Thanks for the feedback.


@SOS (http://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=941) has got a point there, if you're a new user it's not easy to find out what's going on, which is something to consider...


About the clutter: as I said, I know, still experimenting. That's why I also posted the list of relevant building blocks, for people to see what could be relevant.


As for it replacing the forum homepage... people may have not noticed that the forum's usual page is still there. Just change your bookmark and you're already in (looking at you, @remax (http://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=314) :) )! And of course, as I said, I'm trying to balance the benefit that other people are looking for.


Seriously, I'm a bit demotivated by now, by some people's absolute reactions. Honestly, I'm trying to balance the wants and different needs of different users, and the moment I try something I've got members jumping at me like I brought their world down. At this point I'm thinking of just going back to the default setup and say, fuck it, learn to use it as-is...


@seanb (http://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=1200) : the mobile view is a different thing altogether, will get to it...
Title: Re: Portal
Post by: remax on 16:27, 01 October 16
Quote from: Gryzor on 15:36, 01 October 16
Just change your bookmark and you're already in (looking at you, @remax (http://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=314) :) )! And of course, as I said, I'm trying to balance the benefit that other people are looking for.


I surf often on various places, and using bookmarks is not always easy, so i use the absolute adress.


Add to the fact that i really don't like portal.


You wanted feedback, of course you have it, with some negatives : my opinion is if you want to invest time in the forum (which i'm absolutely delighted you do),my personnal taste is i'd prefer seeing you work on other things. But after that, its up to you to make the choice and up to the users to show a majority. I won't be the kind of guy that will complain all the time about it.


I'm really happy by everything else you did here. But, even if i dit it one time, it's hard to report that everything is ok on a thread which is about reporting bugs.
Title: Re: Portal
Post by: seanb on 19:18, 01 October 16
@Gryzor (http://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=1) you won't know if something works unless you try it.
Changes help keep a website feeling fresh.
As for the rest of us is only fair we give the changes a go beyond the initial appearances.


We might find something most of us like and want to keep.
Title: Re: Portal
Post by: MissionComplete on 20:01, 01 October 16
Hi grizor!!

Mainly, thank you for your efforts to improve the forum.

I'm a user quite new and I was not too familiarized with the older forum, so I think mine can be a clear view.

I like the most of windows, such user info, recent post, top topics and posters, etc, but I miss two important things: the list of the recent topics (no recent posts/topics, because if there is too much recent posts in one topic, the list can be filled). The other thing I miss is the menu of all topics in the front page. May be, at the bottom. I like the big picture when I just read the last news  ;D

Thanks for being there and to experiment  ;)
Title: Re: Portal
Post by: TotO on 08:39, 02 October 16
Is peoples wants shoutbox = NO 46.2% / YES 15.4 %
Is peoples wants shoutbox pay features = YES 2.6% (1 people)

So, we got shoutbox with pay features...  :-\
Title: Re: Portal
Post by: 1024MAK on 10:59, 02 October 16
Well, ignoring some of the less than helpful comments in this thread. The little icons do allow one, or the other, or both side bars / columns to be minimised. And this is remembered so you don't have to do it each time you visit  :D .

This "portal" is growing on me.

For the forum page that lists all the sub-forums / sections, click on the [Forum] link in the top line (under your avatar).

A link to the Wiki is missing, but I'm sure that can be fixed.

I'm not sure about the shout box, but this version at least has the input line in a position where it is less likely to be confused with a search input box.

Regardless of whether this feature is retained or not, thanks to @Gryzor (http://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=1) for exploring ideas :D

For the record, on phpBB based forums, I always use a link pointing to the "Active topics page" and rarely use the forum's main index page (the exception being StartDot due to needing to keep an eye on the site, as I'm one of the moderators there).

Mark
Title: Re: Portal
Post by: Shaun M. Neary on 14:40, 02 October 16
Quote from: Gryzor on 15:36, 01 October 16Seriously, I'm a bit demotivated by now, by some people's absolute reactions. Honestly, I'm trying to balance the wants and different needs of different users, and the moment I try something I've got members jumping at me like I brought their world down. At this point I'm thinking of just going back to the default setup and say, fuck it, learn to use it as-is...

Try not to allow this to happen, hard as that sounds. You've put a lot of work into this forum especially recently, and miraculously it hasn't taken a hit in terms of downtime (that I've noticed anyway). It's just always going to be one of those things that you won't be able to please everyone all of the time. Especially if they end up suffering "too much at once" syndrome, which is probably happening to you as well because you've upgraded and added so much.Sadly it's what happens when you ask for feedback.

I did that for a while on my photography, and then it got to the point where I just accepted that one's pleasure was another poison. But it got to the point where some of the comments made me question why I bothered, and then I ended up hating myself for allowing that to happen. Things have to be tried first before they're either liked or hated.

I guess some peoples words are more cutting than others.But definitely don't let it discourage you. The last thing we want to see is you do a Malc Jennings on this place and turn it into another CPCZone tombstone...  ;) :laugh:
Title: Re: Portal
Post by: Wanderer on 19:35, 02 October 16
Quote from: Gryzor on 15:36, 01 October 16
About the clutter: as I said, I know, still experimenting. That's why I also posted the list of relevant building blocks, for people to see what could be relevant.

Quote from: Gryzor on 15:36, 01 October 16
Seriously, I'm a bit demotivated by now, by some people's absolute reactions. Honestly, I'm trying to balance the wants and different needs of different users, and the moment I try something I've got members jumping at me like I brought their world down. At this point I'm thinking of just going back to the default setup and say, fuck it, learn to use it as-is...

Quote from: Shaun M. Neary on 14:40, 02 October 16I guess some peoples words are more cutting than others.But definitely don't let it discourage you. The last thing we want to see is you do a Malc Jennings on this place and turn it into another CPCZone tombstone...  ;) :laugh:

Well, shall i start pulling what little hair have remained on my shiny head?  :o OK, let's take some deep breaths here.

@Gryzor (http://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=1), as you said you're trying things out. Don't worry about reactions "being absolute". You've already admitted to have made the biggest mistake of all, "trying to balance the wants and different needs of different users". :) You should have expected some complaints, other more mild, some other more aggressively phrased.

I agree with Shaun's opinion. Take everything with a grain of salt and keep trying! :) Just keep in mind that people have grown accustomed to how the site/forum was and after all, most users here are probably over some age, which means they may not react well to change. They may like things to remain familiar and simple. ;) An idea could be to ask users what they think might be useful from all the available info shown in the link you posted. In any case, know that regardless of how the portal / forum turns out, your work here is greatly appreciated.
Title: Re: Portal
Post by: alex76gr on 20:49, 02 October 16
Overall i like the look of the new portal.
I voted for "needs customization" because the recent posts is not working as it should.
Title: Re: Portal
Post by: Targhan on 20:29, 04 October 16
I'm not against the portal. But *the* only thing I really need, whether on the portal or the forum, is the list of the 10 latest modified topics (not posts) at the top of the page (just like before on the forum). That's all I care about!
Title: Re: Portal
Post by: CraigsBar on 20:51, 04 October 16
@Gryzor I love it. Keep up the good work.
Title: Re: Portal
Post by: Gryzor on 14:24, 06 October 16
@Targhan (http://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=110) , unfortunately that is out for now, because it seems to mess with Tapatalk...
Title: Re: Portal
Post by: Gryzor on 14:25, 06 October 16
Everyone else, thanks for your kind words. I hope we find some balance soon...
Title: Re: Portal
Post by: remax on 14:42, 06 October 16
Only a suggestion but...


If we find a valuable applet that allow to display IRC on the portal, that would be great to relay the future IRC channel of M4Board owners... Perhaps instead of the shoutbox.
Title: Re: Portal
Post by: Gryzor on 15:55, 06 October 16
Eh? So, have an IRC box for M4 owners?


Because if we're talking IRC in general - that's way out of scope...
Title: Re: Portal
Post by: PulkoMandy on 16:06, 06 October 16
Quote from: Gryzor on 14:24, 06 October 16
@Targhan (http://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=110) , unfortunately that is out for now, because it seems to mess with Tapatalk...


It doesn't have to be on the main page. Or maybe tapatalk shouldn't point to the main page (how does it manage with the portal anyway?). But the list of recent/active/unread topics is a quite useful tool to quickly see "what's hot today" and not having to browse through all the categories or posts. We have other things to do than reading everything on the forum, you know  :D
Title: Re: Portal
Post by: Gryzor on 16:16, 06 October 16
Tapatalk doesn't "point" to anywhere. It's how it draws data from the forum that gets messed up if I change the top of the forum's homepage. The Portal is on a separate page and it does a proper redirect that TT can understand and follow, as far as I can see.


For "live" topics you can use Unread, Replies or the "Recently Updated Posts" block at the bottom of the forum page...
Title: Re: Portal
Post by: Duke on 17:34, 06 October 16
Quote from: Gryzor on 15:55, 06 October 16
Eh? So, have an IRC box for M4 owners?


Because if we're talking IRC in general - that's way out of scope...
Perhaps a link to something like https://webchat.freenode.net that autojoins #cpc channel with your forum nick. Not investigated if its possible to script that up.
Title: Re: Portal
Post by: remax on 20:38, 06 October 16
Quote from: Gryzor on 15:55, 06 October 16
Eh? So, have an IRC box for M4 owners?

The point is, thanks to the M4 and SymbOS, it would be possible to have people on their CPC discussing with people on the forum... As it was said, it would need to auto join a channel but it's very classical on any IRC applet integrated in a forum.

Well, it is just an idea i find VERY attractive (far more than a simple shoutbox), but if i'm the only one, or if it's too complicated, it will stay at the idea stage ;)
Title: Re: Portal
Post by: MiguelSky on 20:50, 06 October 16
Quote from: PulkoMandy on 16:06, 06 October 16But the list of recent/active/unread topics is a quite useful tool to quickly see "what's hot today" and not having to browse through all the categories or posts. We have other things to do than reading everything on the forum, you know  :D
I agree with PulkoMandy and I miss too (like Targhan) the 10 pages this tool had in the old version of forum. I used to navigate through this pages every visit and not in the categories.
Title: Re: Portal
Post by: Prodatron on 00:19, 07 October 16
Quote from: remax on 20:38, 06 October 16
The point is, thanks to the M4 and SymbOS, it would be possible to have people on their CPC discussing with people on the forum... As it was said, it would need to auto join a channel but it's very classical on any IRC applet integrated in a forum.

Well, it is just an idea i find VERY attractive (far more than a simple shoutbox), but if i'm the only one, or if it's too complicated, it will stay at the idea stage ;)

I totally agree, since we are now online nearly every day with the alpha version of the M4Board driver and syMIRC it's really cool to meet CPC people in IRC. Just think about what is happening, if everyone can use it with his M4 (hopefully very soon). And it would be even cooler if there is some CPCWiki<->IRC integration. Maybe it could replace the shoutbox, as IRC is still the more basic and common thing, but I have no idea about such plugin-stuff at all.
So it's only a thought.
Title: Re: Portal
Post by: PulkoMandy on 08:07, 07 October 16
Quote from: Gryzor on 16:16, 06 October 16
Tapatalk doesn't "point" to anywhere. It's how it draws data from the forum that gets messed up if I change the top of the forum's homepage. The Portal is on a separate page and it does a proper redirect that TT can understand and follow, as far as I can see.


For "live" topics you can use Unread, Replies or the "Recently Updated Posts" block at the bottom of the forum page...


I don't understand, because the link to the portal is http://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/index.php (http://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/index.php) and the link to the forums is http://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/index.php?action=forum (http://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/index.php?action=forum)
So, I guess Tapatalk manages to get to http://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/index.php?action=forum (http://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/index.php?action=forum) in that case?


Anyway, the "Unread" page is all I need (http://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/unread/?all;start=0 (http://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/unread/?all;start=0)), as long as it gives a list of unread *topics*, not unread *posts*. You can mess with all the other pages as much as you want, I will use just this one (and I'm ok with the extra click to reach it).
Title: Re: Portal
Post by: Gryzor on 11:16, 07 October 16
Ok, let's take a shot at IRC. Which server/channel?


Unfortunately it won't be on the main page, too complicated to do the integration...


@PulkoMandy (http://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=26) : Unread gives the threads that contain unread posts/replies, not every single post, naturally :D
Title: Re: Portal
Post by: Gryzor on 11:43, 07 October 16
Just installed it, check out the next-to-last tab at the top menu, conveniently titled "chat".


Chose a random server and channel for now, let me know...
Title: Re: Portal
Post by: Edoz(MSX) on 14:46, 07 October 16
Could we change the server to freenode ? and than to #cpc ? That seems already the most active channel for CPC currently.
Title: Re: Portal
Post by: remax on 18:23, 08 October 16
Quote from: Edoz(MSX) on 14:46, 07 October 16
Could we change the server to freenode ? and than to #cpc ? That seems already the most active channel for CPC currently.


Same!
Title: Re: Portal
Post by: Gryzor on 18:31, 08 October 16
Hm, which freenode server do you guys use? Tried a couple and they won't resolve...
Title: Re: Portal
Post by: Gryzor on 18:38, 08 October 16
Can you try it yourselves?
Title: Re: Portal
Post by: PulkoMandy on 19:19, 08 October 16
Usually "chat.freenode.net" points to all of the currently online servers. Just use that and let the freenode people decide?
Title: Re: Portal
Post by: remax on 20:51, 08 October 16
On the webchat i'm on herbert.freenode.net, but i don't know if it's limited to the webchat only...
Title: Re: Portal
Post by: Gryzor on 08:37, 09 October 16
For some reason chat.freenode.net terminates my connection...
Title: Re: Portal
Post by: remax on 11:49, 09 October 16
Quote from: Gryzor on 08:37, 09 October 16
For some reason chat.freenode.net terminates my connection...

Yeah, it's not specific to this IRC client...

We have to find a solution.

It's possible it doesn't like mibbit...

"Connections via mibbit are no longer supported on freenode" bingo !

This one supports freenode : https://kiwiirc.com/embedding

Perhaps give it a try !
Title: Re: Portal
Post by: Gryzor on 16:01, 09 October 16
But, will Kiwiirc connect to the freenode channels? I wouldn't think so...
Title: Re: Portal
Post by: Prodatron on 16:03, 09 October 16
On the CPC I am using
verne.freenode.net
This was always working fine, and you can reach the #CPC channel.
Title: Re: Portal
Post by: Gryzor on 16:05, 09 October 16
As @remax (http://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=314) said, freenode won't let our client connect to it so it doesn't matter which freenode server I tell it to connect to :(
Title: Re: Portal
Post by: remax on 17:48, 09 October 16
Quote from: Gryzor on 16:01, 09 October 16
But, will Kiwiirc connect to the freenode channels? I wouldn't think so...

yes! i'm on it with kiwi and it's written "freenode approved" on the home page
Title: Re: Portal
Post by: Audronic on 08:14, 10 October 16
Please Re Enable the Country that we are From.
Thanks  Ray
Title: Re: Portal
Post by: Gryzor on 09:04, 10 October 16
Ok guys, do try http://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/irc.html (http://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/irc.html) . Still to decide how to implement it into the rest of the forum
Title: Re: Portal
Post by: Gryzor on 09:06, 10 October 16
Flags reenabled :)
Title: Re: Portal
Post by: Audronic on 09:38, 10 October 16
@Gryzor (http://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=1)


Thanks     Ray
Title: Re: Portal
Post by: Gryzor on 10:00, 11 October 16
Managed to install the IRC applet to the Portal page! What do you guys thing? Could/should it replace the shoutbox if I put it at the top? (it's at the bottom now)
Title: Re: Portal
Post by: remax on 17:43, 11 October 16
Quote from: Gryzor on 10:00, 11 October 16
Managed to install the IRC applet to the Portal page! What do you guys thing? Could/should it replace the shoutbox if I put it at the top? (it's at the bottom now)


Nice ! Don't know about the shoutbox... i'm just affraid it woild lack message memory which is convenient
Title: Re: Portal
Post by: Gryzor on 17:49, 11 October 16
You mean, not replace the shoutbox?
Title: Re: Portal
Post by: remax on 17:54, 11 October 16
Quote from: Gryzor on 17:49, 11 October 16
You mean, not replace the shoutbox?


Yeah, i'm mitigated on this. IRC is used by more people, so more potential conversation, but having message memory can also stimulate conversation. Unless we find a way to keep a bit of old messages in irc
Title: Re: Portal
Post by: Edoz(MSX) on 18:37, 11 October 16
Quote from: Gryzor on 09:04, 10 October 16
Ok guys, do try http://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/irc.html (http://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/irc.html) . Still to decide how to implement it into the rest of the forum

Wow! This works much better than the last one!! I like it!!
Title: Re: Portal
Post by: Gryzor on 07:53, 12 October 16

@remax (http://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=314) : well, from the reactions so far it seems the IRC gets more votes I think... and besides, is history really useful?



@Edoz(MSX) (http://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=1188) : it's also on the portal, at the bottom.


Question: who is the mod of this IRC channel?
Title: Re: Portal
Post by: Shaun M. Neary on 08:24, 12 October 16
Quote from: Gryzor on 07:53, 12 October 16
@remax (http://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=314) : well, from the reactions so far it seems the IRC gets more votes I think... and besides, is history really useful?

Actually if you log in with a standalone client (like Limechat), and enable logging, you can save all your chats in channels as well as private chats.

Quote
Question: who is the mod of this IRC channel?


At present it appears to be de-opped.
Title: Re: Portal
Post by: KaosOverride on 09:52, 22 October 16
I miss the old "last responses by threat" (or the threats ordered by recent activity, don't know how you call it). The unread option at the top menu helps, but when I read a threat it disappears from the view. I was used to this for fast forum check.

A "Latest" option between Replies and Unread at the top menu would be great!!
Title: Re: Portal
Post by: ||C|-|E|| on 12:19, 22 October 16
Quote from: KaosOverride on 09:52, 22 October 16
I miss the old "last responses by threat" (or the threats ordered by recent activity, don't know how you call it). The unread option at the top menu helps, but when I read a threat it disappears from the view. I was used to this for fast forum check.

A "Latest" option between Replies and Unread at the top menu would be great!!

Did we have a "responses by threat" thing?  :o :laugh:
Title: Re: Portal
Post by: pelrun on 15:55, 22 October 16
We don't need to sort by threat anymore, now that you-know-who is gone  :laugh:
Title: Re: Portal
Post by: Gryzor on 12:44, 24 October 16
I loled :D


(but I didn't understand the initial comment..)
Title: Re: Portal
Post by: Grimmsqueaker on 15:24, 28 October 16
It's been a while since I have been around and liking this new look :)
Title: Re: Portal
Post by: Munchausen on 07:21, 29 October 16
Every time I see this topic my brief excitement that someone wrote a portal game for the CPC is stifled when I remember that isn't what it's about  ???
Title: Re: Portal
Post by: 1024MAK on 01:11, 05 November 16
<switches to a Trump like voice> The vote is rigged! Total Members Voted: 100  :o
Such a round number is a clear demonstration that the vote has been rigged by the forum authorities!
I demand a recount...  :laugh:
Title: Re: Portal
Post by: AMSDOS on 07:32, 08 November 16
Quote from: 1024MAK on 01:11, 05 November 16
<switches to a Trump like voice> The vote is rigged! Total Members Voted: 100  :o
Such a round number is a clear demonstration that the vote has been rigged by the forum authorities!
I demand a recount...  :laugh:


I suspect Trump is struggling to find the "%" key!  :laugh:
Title: Re: Portal
Post by: Gryzor on 16:56, 08 November 16
And now it's 103!!1! It's over 100%!!! WHAT'S GOING ON!!!
Title: Re: Portal
Post by: Wanderer on 14:13, 10 December 16
There is one thing i do not like with the current site. Let's say a new user comes to the main page (http://www.cpcwiki.eu/) browses the site and sees all the info. "Nice site" he thinks. I wander, is there a way to communicate with someone? Looks around, he sees several kinds of tabs, links, images, etc but no "communicate with someone" is obvious. Being somewhat older than 13 yrs (probably like the vast majority of users here :) ), he wears his glasses and after a couple of minutes searching through all info in the page, he manages to notice a link (written probably using a 6pt font size), saying "Discussion forum". "Wow" he thinks, "among all those info here, there is actually a discussion forum?", and clicks the link. After the new page loads, he sees another page with several info and links on it. A "recent posts", "who is online", "who is offline", "who is sleeping", "who is a bad boy, not eating his dinner", etc. So, after another couple of minutes searching, he finds a "Forum" link at the top, next to "Home". "Wow, i'm probably going blind" he thinks as he clicks on the link to be transferred to a familiar page.

Ok, i'm being more than a little theatrical here but most sites have somewhere in the main page a clearly visible "Forum" link which transfers the user directly to something like this (http://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/forum/). I'm an old user who visits pcpwiki sparsely though. I haven't kept a bookmark of the forum direct link and it took me about 3-4 minutes of searching around in order to actually find the main page of the forum!  :o :picard2:  I supposedly new about the structure of the site but most of the time i don't remember what i had for lunch, it seems normal to me not to remember how to go to the forum. Imagine how a new user would feel.

Anyway, cpcwiki is loaded with many useful info, it seems to me though that the 5 links in the upper left corner (Main page, Random page, etc) could be shown in a somewhat larger font and also a direct link forum could exist there (above "random page" for instance). I don't know how easy it would be, but IMO it would be helpful.
Title: Re: Portal
Post by: Gryzor on 15:28, 13 December 16
Points well taken, and you are right.


For the Wiki itself and the links at the top left nothing can be done, that's hard-coded into the wiki platform itself. But I think they're prominent enough - I mean if you come to the wiki and are looking for something there's only a couple of places you'll look at: the search function and the sidebar.


As for the forum: the vast majority of new visitors come from links directly to forum topics, so landing upon the portal homepage and getting lost is a non-issue, but I see the usability problem. I'll try and find a way to make clearer how to proceed...
Title: Re: Portal
Post by: Audronic on 04:44, 28 February 17
@Gryzor (http://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=1)
The CPCwiki/Forum is still playing up :-
as I Log in ( Intermittent) i have to wait 2-3 Minutes for the Page to Load, BUT If i open another tab and log into CPCwiki/  without the Forum it opens up OK ??


Next  in the past if i type in @Gryzor (http://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=1)  i would get up a blue box with "Gryzor" In it that is not happening.


and some time as i log in using my pass word the "system" says not ready ??
and also if i reply to somebody and then attempt to send the message it Clags up (stops).


Thanks    Ray
Title: Re: Portal
Post by: Gryzor on 16:31, 28 February 17
This is a thread about the Portal so we're getting off-topic, but anyhow: the random waits have been discussed before and even though things are, I think, much better nowadays, I can acknowledge the issue is still not resolved.


The mention mod is a bit sensitive and sometimes will not offer username suggestions indeed under different combos (seems to work more reliably in full-reply pages rather than quick replies), but if you proceed to type the username after the '@' symbol, regardless of whether the system makes suggestions or not, the mention will work fine.

Title: Re: Portal
Post by: Audronic on 23:21, 28 February 17
@Gryzor (http://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=1)


Thanks      Ray
Title: Re: Portal
Post by: Piotr on 22:09, 24 October 17
New portal , old issues ,
Title: Re: Portal
Post by: Gryzor on 19:25, 19 November 17
Sooo... looking for features to trim from the forum. Would people mind if I removed the Portal landing page?
Title: Re: Portal
Post by: tjohnson on 19:39, 19 November 17

Quote from: Gryzor on 19:25, 19 November 17
Sooo... looking for features to trim from the forum. Would people mind if I removed the Portal landing page?


Is that the page you get when you press home?  I don't tend to use that page tbh.  I notice the new posts have disappeared from the bottom of http://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/forum/ but it is still available at home.  I liked that feature as I could just see what was posted.
Title: Re: Portal
Post by: khaz on 20:06, 19 November 17
can the wiki main page and forum portal be merged somehow? It would be nice to have a common page that has both wiki news and forum news. I don't think there is a direct link from the forum to the wiki, I always go to the address bar to go from the forum to the wiki.
Title: Re: Portal
Post by: Gryzor on 10:48, 20 November 17
If we remove the Portal the Recent Posts could be moved back to the forum homepage.


Concerning a 'common home page', what would that include? Technically it could be done, if someone is willing to create it (at that point it'd just be a web page incorporating items from both, bot the simplest thing but not impossible), but what would it contain and what would be its purpose?
Title: Re: Portal
Post by: khaz on 12:16, 20 November 17
How I see it:

- "home" and the logo on the forum pages link to the wiki main page
- under the CPC news section, a section with the 5 or 10 most recently created threads
- If a user is connected, have their last 10 unreads below that, with a link to the full list and the option to flush (the last 10 and all)
- have the alert widget somewhere too.

All in all, trying to keep it lean. Work could be done on the forum side to have more links to the wiki as well.

The goal is to have a deeper integration of the forum and the wiki. Right now it feels like two different sites. With the newest threads, along with the curated "cpc related news" section, it should feel like "the" place to go to get Amstrad news and information.
Title: Re: Portal
Post by: Gryzor on 13:01, 20 November 17
-I can insert a link for the main wiki to the top, no problem. In fact I was looking at it yesterday, by coincidence.
-You mean in the wiki?
-Again, on the wiki?
-a bit too much :D


But, indeed, they *are* two different sites. They run on two separate platforms - one is mediawiki, the other is SMF. SMF does allow for parts of it to be pulled/queried from 'outside', I think, so that's pretty easy to do. However, actually incorporating those parts into a mediawiki page... that's a whole different package. If anyone feels like trying their hand at it, I'll be pleased to help, but I won't be doing it myself, I'm afraid...
Title: Re: Portal
Post by: khaz on 13:23, 20 November 17
Yeah, on the wiki. Remove the portal and have the wiki main page as the home page for everything. The wiki main page is a good home page, and could probably benefit from being a bit more "lively".
Title: Re: Portal
Post by: Gryzor on 13:30, 20 November 17
In that, you're not wrong. However, incorporating the html needed to pull blocks from the forum is probably beyond my capabilities. I think I tried that once in the past and failed, because Mediawiki doesn't like (for obvious security reasons) html snippets running rampant on its pages.
Title: Re: Portal
Post by: dxs on 17:31, 20 November 17
I think a most recently updated threads list is useful.
Just my 0.02...
Title: Re: Portal
Post by: Gryzor on 12:37, 21 November 17
Portal has now been disabled. I want to check some things regarding performance, in a while we can start adding features back.
Title: Re: Portal
Post by: Bryce on 13:45, 21 November 17
Quote from: Gryzor on 12:37, 21 November 17
Portal has now been disabled. I want to check some things regarding performance, in a while we can start adding features back.

As usual, the important stuff is hidden in the small-print.

Bryce.
Title: Re: Portal
Post by: Gryzor on 13:46, 21 November 17
I am a fan of transparency:




Portal has now been disabled. I want to check some things regarding performance, in a while we can start adding features back.

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