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nocash · 15:55, 27 April 10

Does one need a template? Here it's done more simple: http://cpcwiki.eu/index.php/Vortex
Or leave it as is, but adding a link to [[Arnold (Codename)]] or so in the Arnold page would be nice. Just put "the emulator was named after the "Arnold" prototype" in there, with the link on "Arnold". The problem is somebody has locked the page, so normal people can't edit it.

NB. as far as I understand Arnold wasn't only used to name prototypes. The Amendment Service Manual page 20 (cost-down 6128 schematic) also uses "ARN4" as name of the 100pin ASIC gate array chip

arnoldemu · 16:11, 27 April 10

Quote from: nocash on 15:55, 27 April 10
Does one need a template? Here it's done more simple: http://cpcwiki.eu/index.php/Vortex
Or leave it as is, but adding a link to [[Arnold (Codename)]] or so in the Arnold page would be nice. Just put "the emulator was named after the "Arnold" prototype" in there, with the link on "Arnold". The problem is somebody has locked the page, so normal people can't edit it.

NB. as far as I understand Arnold wasn't only used to name prototypes. The Amendment Service Manual page 20 (cost-down 6128 schematic) also uses "ARN4" as name of the 100pin ASIC gate array chip

good idea. Done.

But I probably did it wrong because the list of contributors is not fully correct and was not transferred over to the new "Arnold (emulator)" page.

Devilmarkus · 16:48, 27 April 10

Quote from: nocash on 13:05, 27 April 10
NB. The link to [[Arnold]] goes to the Arnold Emulator? I got sorts of trapped there (the link on the Roland page goes there, too).

We all know that Amstrad put the name "Arnold" into the rom's because the upcoming Arnold Emulator by Kevin

nocash · 17:22, 27 April 10

> the list of contributors is not fully correct and was not
> transferred over to the new "Arnold (emulator)" page.
Hmmmm, yeah, the contributors are still on the old page :-/ :-)
guess the correct way to fix it would be:
undo the changes on "Arnold" page
move "Arnold" to "Arnold (Emulator)"
(if that no longer works: move it to "Arnold - Emulator" or find a way to delete "Arnold (Emulator)"
With the move-method, contributors should move too (I hope so).
And the lock hopefully moves, too. "Arnold" is still locked against editing.

TFM · 03:46, 28 April 10

The lack of knowledge here is just amusing. Let's give one hint... my mother owns a Triumph type-writer... now... ? Any ideas ;-)

Finally it's good to see what happens if people know not much and change pages then. Stop them!!!
This lack of knowledge should not happen to people writing articles - or even worse change articles.

But some people still think, that they know all - and if they don't know it, it can't exist.

Now, the solution. All the different Names of Companies in the CPC, they all have been possible candidates to sell the CPC, and they are all related to computers or type-writers.

Gryzor · 07:58, 28 April 10

So - I'm not sure, what exactly have you done with the Arnold page?

Of course, if you don't do a disambiguation correctly (and maybe even then) the contributions won't follow the proper topic... but that's a minor annoyance, not a problem...

nocash · 10:26, 28 April 10

Couple of things dones there. Originally attempt was create new page and copy/paste text from old page. But that lacked the contributors. New attempt was move page, which worked with contributors included. At the moment there are three pages, with some problems:
Arnold - can you remove the LOCK from this page please?
Arnold (emulator) - can you unlock and DELETE this one?
Arnold (Emulator) - this is all fine

Devilmarkus · 10:45, 28 April 10

Unlocked...

Gryzor · 10:59, 28 April 10

Yeah, but as it is Arnold redirects to Arnold Emulator, so the Arnold page per se is lost...

nocash · 11:28, 28 April 10

No you can edit the redirect. Works like so:
go to Arnold - problem is that this moves you to Arnold (Emulator),
but it displays Redirect from "Arnold", click there, and you can edit Arnold.

Gryzor · 12:10, 28 April 10

Yes: not good.

Ynot.zer0 · 12:22, 28 April 10

Maybe considered off topic, but it does have a kind of parallel relevance....

I personally own a 1954 Standard Vanguard... if you visit: http://www.motorbase.com/vehicle/by-id/1119/ you can see some samples pictures (I own a shiny light blue one the same as some of the sample pictures in the Gallery). You'll also note on the page the reference to the model 'Standard/Triumph Vanguard S4 OHV'.

'Standard' was a fully fledged motor company from the 1900-1960s. 'Standard' bought 'Triumph' the motor company BUT made the decision to rebrand their cars to 'Triumph' and use the 'Standard' engines etc.. inside some of the 'Triumph' cars.
Sadly, nowdays no-one remembers 'Standard', but they do remember 'Triumph'.

How does this relate? Well, 'Amstrad' could have been a 'Standard' in the MicroComputer industry...

I do however agree that 'joke' wiki pages shouldn't really exist in the formal CPC wiki as the wiki should be for a collection of facts about the specialist subject

nocash · 12:28, 28 April 10

Why not good? I'd be 99% sure that the template would internally do exactly the same thing.

Ahhhh, Markus, the page http://cpcwiki.eu/index.php?title=Arnold&redirect=no is STILL locked.

What have unlocked is http://cpcwiki.eu/index.php/Arnold_(Emulator) - which may be a problem - in case there was a good reason for lockung it (?)

And please delete http://cpcwiki.eu/index.php/Arnold_(emulator) that's the faulty page without contributors. If you prefer lowercase "emulator", you can move "Emulator" to "emulator" - but, first, somebody must delete "emulator".

nocash · 12:32, 28 April 10

> How does this relate? Well, 'Amstrad' could have been
> a 'Standard' in the MicroComputer industry...
Uh, okay, I see that the motorcycle picture leads into offtopic direction.

nocash · 12:45, 28 April 10

Ooops. I just noticed that ALL registered users have access rights to Arnold. I thought the lock would allow only 2-3 people to edit that page.

Devilmarkus · 13:21, 28 April 10

Quote from: nocash on 12:45, 28 April 10
Ooops. I just noticed that ALL registered users have access rights to Arnold. I thought the lock would allow only 2-3 people to edit that page.

Well, yes.
I unlocked it.
You can fix it and then I will re-lock it.

Edit: the "Contributors" section in each page I really dislike.
Why?
E.g. someone writes for hours a page, fills it with content, then he's listed as "Contributor" (Thats ok!)
Then, someone else edits it, adds some bullshit or changes 1-2 letters and is listed as "Contributor", too (That's not ok IMO)

nocash · 14:29, 28 April 10

I think the Contributors section is a nice invention, allowing to see who else edited it, and making it a bit less anonymous. And and the bottom of the page it isn't disturbing. Rating who put most work into it isn't possible, time or size doesn't count - somebody could spend hours on bullshit or minutes on important details.

What are you doing with the lock there? The http://cpcwiki.eu/index.php/Arnold page is STILL locked.

As far as I understand, all registered users (including me) can edit that page, even if it's locked.
Unregistered users (like guests) cannot edit any pages, even if they aren't lock.
So, the lock on "Arnold" is totally useless. At it's best it's confusing, so it be nice if you could remove it, and KEEP it removed.

arnoldemu · 14:33, 28 April 10

I want to say to Nocash that the changes that were made to the Brand Names pages, and the way it is now organised is really good

Also the parts that are not confirmed (e.g. which company/brand does Triumph and Isp refer to) are much better done.
I think it is good to put in this info if it is shown as good as it is now.

Devilmarkus · 14:35, 28 April 10

Quote from: nocash on 14:29, 28 April 10

What are you doing with the lock there? The http://cpcwiki.eu/index.php/Arnold page is STILL locked.

Removed.

Devilmarkus · 15:02, 28 April 10

Back to topic:
To ALL wiki user who commit contents or modify them:
(sorry, loud and clear)

Stop fu**ing up other peoples dedicated work by adding useless mis-informed garbage
without even having the decency to ask the REAL contributor whether they wanted it or without
fully researching whether it's even closely correct! It's not enhancing the wiki one bit,
just adding confusion and incoherency to otherwise perfectly good articles.

nocash · 15:35, 28 April 10

> the Brand Names pages, and the way it is now organised is really good

Thank you!

>> page is STILL locked.
> Removed.
Thank you, too!

> Stop fu**ing up other peoples dedicated work by
> adding useless mis-informed garbage
Loud, but not clear. I guess everybody would agree there. But when did that happen? Did anybody fuck-up other peoples work?

> without even having the decency to ask the REAL contributor
What? I actually felt a bit pissed when deleted mine without asking, but when adding info one should ask, too?

Octoate · 16:05, 28 April 10

Quote from: Devilmarkus on 13:21, 28 April 10
Edit: the "Contributors" section in each page I really dislike.
Why?
E.g. someone writes for hours a page, fills it with content, then he's listed as "Contributor" (Thats ok!)
Then, someone else edits it, adds some bullshit or changes 1-2 letters and is listed as "Contributor", too (That's not ok IMO)

Same for me, too. I think this is unnecessary or do you really need the "fame" to be listed there? If you want to see the contributors, you can have a look at the history list.

Devilmarkus · 16:57, 28 April 10

Quote from: Octoate on 16:05, 28 April 10
Same for me, too. I think this is unnecessary or do you really need the "fame" to be listed there? If you want to see the contributors, you can have a look at the history list.

We should also add a "hall of superficial knowledge" (Or better: a top 10)

Edit: Top 10 of course, not top 1

Thanks for informing me

nocash · 20:18, 28 April 10

> need the "fame" to be listed there?
> you can have a look at the history list.
The history is great understanding the "inner workings" of the pages. I wouldn't want to miss that. But it doesn't give a good summary how many and which people edited the page. So when the contributors add-on was installed, I thought: Oh, that's a nice and useful new feature.

I wouldn't say it's a "fame" thing. Okay, sometimes it is nice to see your own name on a page, but most times it's just useful to see who else edited it. In worst case somebody could edit as many pages as possible and fix all typos to get as much "fame" as possible. Unless somebody *adds* typos to get on the list, but even then it's not a real problem - just think of it as "fame and blame" list.

Bryce · 21:20, 28 April 10

The problem with the "Contributors" is, when someone has spent a lot of time and effort writing up about their emulator/demo/hardware that they spent even more time developing. Then someone changes a single comma on the page and the page displays both as equal contributors, which is obviously not the case. I can fully understand, when the originator has an issue with this.

Bryce.

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