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Title: Bad Arnold - Bad Apple on enhanced CPC
Post by: Shining on 16:32, 19 August 17

Currently at the Evoke demoparty I thought this is a good place:

CPC was missing one, so finally I'll declare my Bad Apple Version for enhanced Amstrad, called Bad Arnold, ready.


You need an CPC with 1MB additional RAM and a PlayCity and in the best case a M4 or a 360kB floppy + 720 kb floppy.


M4-Version loads in seconds, floppy version takes approx. 10 minutes to load.


You wanted stuff for more ram, you get it.


Have Fun,
Shining
Title: Re: Bad Arnold - Bad Apple on enhanced CPC
Post by: CraigsBar on 17:01, 19 August 17
I have a 1mb expansion in the works.... So will definately be trying this from my m4 ASAP.

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Title: Re: Bad Arnold - Bad Apple on enhanced CPC
Post by: Shining on 17:12, 19 August 17
If one has less (minimum is 128kB). It still loads but the Bad Apple Video will crash after your amount of ram is used. So with 512 kB you can approx. watch half of it.....




If one has no hardware:
In Winape you can watch the whole thing without sound, in javacpc, with playcity enabled, you can also watch the sound.
Title: Re: Bad Arnold - Bad Apple on enhanced CPC
Post by: SRS on 21:39, 19 August 17
Quote from: Shining on 17:12, 19 August 17
you can also watch the sound.

What to smoke before ?

:P
Title: Re: Bad Arnold - Bad Apple on enhanced CPC
Post by: Shining on 22:03, 19 August 17
Here's enough "smoke" around....


Very colourful here  :o
Title: Re: Bad Arnold - Bad Apple on enhanced CPC
Post by: Shining on 22:04, 19 August 17
Title: Re: Bad Arnold - Bad Apple on enhanced CPC
Post by: villain on 22:24, 19 August 17
Cool und Grüße an den "Rest" auf der Evoke!
Title: Re: Bad Arnold - Bad Apple on enhanced CPC
Post by: Morri on 22:27, 19 August 17
Awesome work, your music is  8) 8) . Just WOW!
Congrats on your first release at your first party.
Title: Re: Bad Arnold - Bad Apple on enhanced CPC
Post by: Maniac on 10:23, 20 August 17
Very impressive stuff! Nice animation!
Title: Re: Bad Arnold - Bad Apple on enhanced CPC
Post by: Gryzor on 10:32, 20 August 17
Watching the video on my TV, my SO exclaimed "such a lovely tune!" :D
Title: Re: Bad Arnold - Bad Apple on enhanced CPC
Post by: keith56 on 10:48, 20 August 17
Very impressive rendering of video on the CPC
any idea of how many frames of animation that is in total?
Title: Re: Bad Arnold - Bad Apple on enhanced CPC
Post by: Zoe Robinson on 12:10, 20 August 17
This is one of the finest demos I've seen for quite a while. Well done!
Title: Re: Bad Arnold - Bad Apple on enhanced CPC
Post by: BSC on 20:04, 20 August 17
Call me a music-nerd if you like, but imo the best part of this demo is the music - awesome!


can you provide a link to the composers page?


ah, yes, your rendition of Bad Apple is also well done :)
Title: Re: Bad Arnold - Bad Apple on enhanced CPC
Post by: Duke on 21:55, 20 August 17
Cool demo, thanks. Just got to see some of it on my cpc (only 512KB, no sound).
Title: Re: Bad Arnold - Bad Apple on enhanced CPC
Post by: Shining on 07:36, 21 August 17
Quote from: keith56 on 10:48, 20 August 17
Very impressive rendering of video on the CPC
any idea of how many frames of animation that is in total?


There are about 2700-2800 frames.
Title: Re: Bad Arnold - Bad Apple on enhanced CPC
Post by: Shining on 07:38, 21 August 17
Quote from: BSC on 20:04, 20 August 17
Call me a music-nerd if you like, but imo the best part of this demo is the music - awesome!


I'm a music nerd, too. I really love the intro-music which is only a 3-channel tune and could run on a normal CPC.
Title: Re: Bad Arnold - Bad Apple on enhanced CPC
Post by: Shining on 09:05, 21 August 17
In the first release, I messed the scrolltext a little bit. It was too dark at the evoke and as already said "there was too much smoke"  ;D . So I cleaned the text and replaced the ZIP attached to the first post.
You can also get the release at cpc.cifinet.org.
Title: Re: Bad Arnold - Bad Apple on enhanced CPC
Post by: Shining on 10:44, 21 August 17
By the way: If there is a need for Y-MEM to run for example my demo, TOTO can reorder a batch of 10, if desired. But, it is better for his time and logistics to exclusively build Z-MEM (1MB RAM + RTC) in the next weeks.

So if you want to run my demo (or something else with more RAM), you can contact Toto by PM....
Title: Re: Bad Arnold - Bad Apple on enhanced CPC
Post by: Ace on 11:25, 21 August 17
Quote from: Shining on 17:12, 19 August 17
If one has less (minimum is 128kB). It still loads but the Bad Apple Video will crash after your amount of ram is used. So with 512 kB you can approx. watch half of it.....




If one has no hardware:
In Winape you can watch the whole thing without sound, in javacpc, with playcity enabled, you can also watch the sound.

Cannot make it work on any of the 2 mentioned emulators, always end up to a black screen. I use the 4Mb expansion configuration with a plain 6128. Am I missing something else?
Title: Re: Bad Arnold - Bad Apple on enhanced CPC
Post by: Targhan on 11:40, 21 August 17
I'm unable to watch it on a real CPC, too bad. But what I see on the video is quite bold, well done! The music is great indeed. Why the need of a PlayCity if you could have played it on a real CPC, though?
Title: Re: Bad Arnold - Bad Apple on enhanced CPC
Post by: tastefulmrship on 14:27, 21 August 17
Quote from: BSC on 20:04, 20 August 17
Call me a music-nerd if you like, but imo the best part of this demo is the music - awesome!

I agree, the music is amazing!

Quote from: BSC on 20:04, 20 August 17
can you provide a link to the composers page?

I'm not 100% sure if it's the same person, but here's a profile of someone called "nq" (https://ucollective.org/profile/nq/) who composes AY tunes on the ZX!
Title: Re: Bad Arnold - Bad Apple on enhanced CPC
Post by: ASiC on 14:54, 21 August 17
Quote from: Ace on 11:25, 21 August 17
Cannot make it work on any of the 2 mentioned emulators, always end up to a black screen. I use the 4Mb expansion configuration with a plain 6128. Am I missing something else?


Use both drives: mount the second disk (the large one) on B:
Also, don't forget to replace AMSDOS with ParaDOS.


Out of the 10+ times I tried to load it on JavaCPC, only once worked.
On WinAPE works just fine with the 4MB settings. Without music ofcourse
Title: Re: Bad Arnold - Bad Apple on enhanced CPC
Post by: Shining on 07:46, 22 August 17
The Bad Apple Tune from nq! uses 6 channels -> Playcity.
Title: Re: Bad Arnold - Bad Apple on enhanced CPC
Post by: Shining on 07:50, 22 August 17
Quote from: SuTeKH/Epyteor on 14:27, 21 August 17
I agree, the music is amazing!

I'm not 100% sure if it's the same person, but here's a profile of someone called "nq" (https://ucollective.org/profile/nq/) who composes AY tunes on the ZX!


Thats the correct person. I've some other tunes from him, which I like very much. Interested in a little music- disc for CPC ?
Title: Re: Bad Arnold - Bad Apple on enhanced CPC
Post by: Shining on 08:20, 22 August 17
Quote from: ASiC on 14:54, 21 August 17

Use both drives: mount the second disk (the large one) on B:
Also, don't forget to replace AMSDOS with ParaDOS.


Out of the 10+ times I tried to load it on JavaCPC, only once worked.
On WinAPE works just fine with the 4MB settings. Without music ofcourse


In JavaCPC, loading takes very long (in both emus you can use turbo to load faster but only in winape it also accelerates loading itself).
I'm using Javacpc 2.9.5b (32Bit) and it loads always. Sometimes the sound gets messed up or it seems to run too slow. Then, most of the time, pausing and then resuming emulation seems to fix it.


One additional thing about JavaCPC: this Emulator supports only the two soundchips and not the whole PlayCity: Therefore detecting PlayCity in JavaCPC is not possible and my demo says, that it was not found....


As far as i know http://sugarbox.free.fr (http://sugarbox.free.fr/) supports playcity, too. But only X-MEM-Support, so there is not enough RAM for everything...
Title: Re: Bad Arnold - Bad Apple on enhanced CPC
Post by: ASiC on 09:52, 22 August 17
Quote from: Shining on 08:20, 22 August 17

Sometimes the sound gets messed up or it seems to run too slow. Then, most of the time, pausing and then resuming emulation seems to fix it.



Yeah, not my first choice of emulators...
Frame rate drops below 24 at random times for no apparent reason and it's very unstable on my system.


Amazing job on the demo btw :)


Just a quick one: Will it be possible to stream data directly from the M4 resulting in much less memory requirements?
Title: Re: Bad Arnold - Bad Apple on enhanced CPC
Post by: Shining on 10:30, 22 August 17
For the video-stream this could be possible. But I think without sound.


Also using only a X-MEM and flashing half of the stream to ROM is possible but not very useful imho.


BUT: We have these fancy memory expansions, why not use them ?

 


By the way and off-topic: The Z-MEM will use NVRAM. So it will not loose its content after power-down. Quite nice.
Title: Re: Bad Arnold - Bad Apple on enhanced CPC
Post by: ASiC on 10:51, 22 August 17
Quote from: Shining on 10:30, 22 August 17
BUT: We have these fancy memory expansions, why not use them ?


I'm with you 100% on that  :D


Spoken with TotO and I'm on the waiting list for a Z-MEM & a playcity board  ;)
Title: Re: Bad Arnold - Bad Apple on enhanced CPC
Post by: villain on 16:03, 22 August 17
Quote from: Shining on 07:50, 22 August 17
Interested in a little music- disc for CPC ?

Yes, Sir! ;-) If I may wish something: artwork by HAL6128 again...  8)
Title: Re: Bad Arnold - Bad Apple on enhanced CPC
Post by: Shining on 07:57, 23 August 17
Will ask him...
Title: Re: Bad Arnold - Bad Apple on enhanced CPC
Post by: GUNHED on 13:32, 25 August 17
Definitely runs best on JavaCPC! Congratulations! Great job!

Title: Re: Bad Arnold - Bad Apple on enhanced CPC
Post by: CraigsBar on 00:18, 02 November 17
Quote from: GUNHED on 13:32, 25 August 17
Definitely runs best on JavaCPC! Congratulations! Great job!
Nope. Runs best on my 464plus with 1024kb Z-MEM and Playcity [emoji6]

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Title: Re: Bad Arnold - Bad Apple on enhanced CPC
Post by: GUNHED on 14:57, 02 November 17
Sure, if one does own such a setup.  ;)
Title: Re: Bad Arnold - Bad Apple on enhanced CPC
Post by: ZbyniuR on 00:24, 03 November 17
I see this anime already is done for a lots of platforms.
Anyone know which one was first?

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=bad+apple+demo
Title: Re: Bad Arnold - Bad Apple on enhanced CPC
Post by: CraigsBar on 01:02, 03 November 17
Quote from: GUNHED on 14:57, 02 November 17
Sure, if one does own such a setup.  ;)
That is why I waited to even watch it until I did. Damn that wait was worth it.

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