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Re: CPC demos viewed from a c64 user
« Reply #25 on: 12:19, 26 May 21 »
Batman Forever is awesome and looks more like a Commodore demo, maybe because the group came from the Amiga.

I think you have to understand that this is a cultural reason, as the Japanese don't like American games, because they don't have the same codes to be able to appreciate them.

You expect to see Batman Forever in the staging, with a common thread very identified as the theme, but in the end it's still a succession of effects. In short, it's a demo.

Personally, I don't like most C64 productions, because it relies too often on sprites limitations and I only see that. What I like about CPC is that ultimately, you can do whatever you want and do very different things as long as you take the trouble to be technical.

You will understand, we should not want to see the CPC through the C64 spectrum because a demo brought to this machine. It's a good start, it's deserved, but now you have to understand things differently.

To be honest, before seeing CPC demos I was watching Amiga demos ... It's like immersing yourself in another culture, it takes time.
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Re: CPC demos viewed from a c64 user
« Reply #26 on: 13:26, 26 May 21 »
My surprise is just: why these talented people didn't wake up one morning by saying "my next release will kick Batman Group's butt".
Maybe because these talented people have already done that?  :)


I think you have gotten many answers to your questions by many people, and nobody was 'hostile' towards you. Plenty of CPC demo releases after Batman Forever are BETTER than Batman Forever in pretty much everything besides the demo's length. Ofcourse I am expressing my personal opinion but I think you'd get a similar answer from various people in the CPC scene (either being in the coding or graphics branch). I understand that you enjoy demos that meet certain criteria, but your criteria is different to other peoples', whether we are specifically talking CPC demos, or C64 demos, or demos in general. People don't like and dont have to like the same things.  :)


You are ofcourse welcome to share your opinion and this particular discussion that was sparked by your opinion is truly interesting and I do hope it continues.
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Re: CPC demos viewed from a c64 user
« Reply #27 on: 18:03, 26 May 21 »
Every platform and scene is unique, but none more so than the CPC in my opinion.  Technical mastery appears to be more of an obsession than just putting on a show.

I will always prefer Still Rising to Batman Forever for this reason.  They're both great demos, it's just that Vanity captures the essence of the CPC.
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Re: CPC demos viewed from a c64 user
« Reply #28 on: 18:08, 27 May 21 »
Hey, I did just ask for an good example. Because I don't have a c64 here (too expensive nowadays) and have no emulator neither. So a link to a youtube video would be great.  :)
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Re: CPC demos viewed from a c64 user
« Reply #29 on: 18:48, 27 May 21 »
@Bug Powell : I think you bring a good point.

I am huge fan of well timed demos with the right flow too, like Phenomena, Guardian Dragon 2 (first one is good too), Second Reality, Desert Dream, Hardwired, Batman Vuelve and Batman Forever to mention a few.
I can only agree there are too little of this genre on CPC.  It is a personal preference of course, more than anything.
There is many good demos on CPC with great design/timing too like Still Rising, PhX, Can Robots Take Control, Logon's run, WakeUP etc. They are just different style, I guess a more modern design.

Anyway, back to the question "Why"? - My guess is it boils down to as many others have already pointed out, too few demo makers on CPC.
I don't think most C64 nor Amiga demos bring that "style" of timing and flow either, their scenes are just bigger, thus there will also be more of those productions.

I too would like to hear the names of some more C64 demos that bring that style, I have seen a few but not many so if you could list a few more, that would be nice.
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Re: CPC demos viewed from a c64 user
« Reply #30 on: 18:58, 09 June 21 »
Does cpcwiki have a discord channel? or are there any discord channel dedicated to cpc?
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Re: CPC demos viewed from a c64 user
« Reply #31 on: 23:12, 09 June 21 »
i don't know if cpcwiki has a discord channel, but we have one.
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Re: CPC demos viewed from a c64 user
« Reply #32 on: 23:19, 09 June 21 »
Who is "we"? and where is the "one"?
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Re: CPC demos viewed from a c64 user
« Reply #33 on: 13:53, 10 June 21 »
So...... no cpc discord channel anywhere? or maybe a mysterious one? ast: can you tell us a bit more about it?
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Re: CPC demos viewed from a c64 user
« Reply #34 on: 14:59, 10 June 21 »
Only available with invitation, but it’s difficult to become a member.


First of all, you’ll have to become / be a cpc active member.
Second, all admin must say « yes » for your admission.
Third : be cool !
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Re: CPC demos viewed from a c64 user
« Reply #35 on: 16:12, 10 June 21 »
Thanks Bug for your perspective! That's nice and interesting to have an "outsider" point of view.


Ast: seems like quite an exclusive club!
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Re: CPC demos viewed from a c64 user
« Reply #36 on: 17:23, 10 June 21 »
Thanks Bug for your perspective! That's nice and interesting to have an "outsider" point of view.


Ast: seems like quite an exclusive club!


After that you start as a Prospect, where you have to do the usual jobs. Before you get the colour finally.  8)
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Re: CPC demos viewed from a c64 user
« Reply #37 on: 23:22, 10 June 21 »
First of all, you’ll have to become / be a cpc active member.
Second, all admin must say « yes » for your admission.
Third : be cool !

Fourth: Be French
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Re: CPC demos viewed from a c64 user
« Reply #38 on: 23:26, 10 June 21 »
not especially ! @BSC and @rexbeng are not french, for example.
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Re: CPC demos viewed from a c64 user
« Reply #39 on: 12:38, 11 June 21 »
Why speaking about a Discord channel where it seems to be nearly impossible to join?
You request new members to be cool, but having such rules to join is not very cool.
It seems more difficult than getting a new job in real life.
Who are the admins who decide if you are nice enough to be part of your closed club?
Why such rules? CPC demos programmers are so good that they don't want to mix with us?
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Re: CPC demos viewed from a c64 user
« Reply #40 on: 13:20, 11 June 21 »
There is a CPC discord server as mentioned here: https://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/news-events/new-amstrad-discord-server/msg177024/#msg177024
From the looks of it, everything related to CPC that gets newly-released or re-discovered is posted in the respective areas. And it's quite crowded as far as I can tell.
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Re: CPC demos viewed from a c64 user
« Reply #41 on: 14:07, 11 June 21 »
Why speaking about a Discord channel where it seems to be nearly impossible to join?You request new members to be cool, but having such rules to join is not very cool.It seems more difficult than getting a new job in real life.Who are the admins who decide if you are nice enough to be part of your closed club?Why such rules? CPC demos programmers are so good that they don't want to mix with us?



You asked about cpc discord channel, I have just answered your question.
It’s not impossible to join. There are some rulez, as everywhere I know.
Who decide ? Cpc Discord is managed by admin. I am admin too.
Why such rulez ? We don’t need trollers!
Cpc programmers haven’t got melon.


Fourth : you’ll have to tell us if you want to join us.
I am going to ask for your entry.

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Re: CPC demos viewed from a c64 user
« Reply #42 on: 16:50, 11 June 21 »
You request new members to be cool, but having such rules to join is not very cool.
Completely agree. That being said the members are much more friendly than these "rules". Maybe the kindness was lost in translation.

We don’t need trollers!
One cannot complain about hypocrisy and lack of constructive critics, and then flag honest feedback as "trolling".
Well, one can, but that's double standards.

Let's enjoy gentle and brutal honesty.

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Re: CPC demos viewed from a c64 user
« Reply #43 on: 17:00, 11 June 21 »
rexbeng: thank you for the link, finally there is one channel open to everybody.
ast: some people answered me that there are not much big demos on cpc because the community is small. maybe it is small because it is sooooo hard to be part of it? From an "outsider" 's point of view, it is quite strange if you want some fresh blood. It will not make people wanting to start cpc demos as it is very hard to be in touch with cpc programmers because you have to give a curriculum which will be judged by an expert commission. So serious! cpc scene is not joking  :P
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Re: CPC demos viewed from a c64 user
« Reply #44 on: 17:10, 11 June 21 »
As I tell u, i ask for your integration on discord cpc.
I am still waiting forthe two last votes.
I sent you back what council will decide.
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Re: CPC demos viewed from a c64 user
« Reply #45 on: 19:08, 11 June 21 »
rexbeng: thank you for the link, finally there is one channel open to everybody.
ast: some people answered me that there are not much big demos on cpc because the community is small. maybe it is small because it is sooooo hard to be part of it? From an "outsider" 's point of view, it is quite strange if you want some fresh blood. It will not make people wanting to start cpc demos as it is very hard to be in touch with cpc programmers because you have to give a curriculum which will be judged by an expert commission. So serious! cpc scene is not joking  :P
I'm sorry, but what do you have done on demo cpc scene before ?
I don't see anything from you before this thread...
I don't claim to be a part of a demoscene on one computer machine when I've done nothing on it !?!

Of course you can be part of the scene without coding something ... but you must release something before cleaming something... speaking with others sceners is a good start also !  ;D
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Re: CPC demos viewed from a c64 user
« Reply #46 on: 19:38, 11 June 21 »
megachur: did I claim anywhere that I was part of the cpc scene?


I just said that if someone wants to be in touch with cpc scene to start making demo, it is very very very complicated. Very discouraging (and your post does not help). Are you part of the expert group mentioned by ast?
As I already wrote in previous posts, I recently discovered cpc community, so of course I didn't release anything yet.
You suggest me to speak with other sceners: it is exactly what I try to do...... no?


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Re: CPC demos viewed from a c64 user
« Reply #47 on: 19:41, 11 June 21 »
Things don't need to be edgy.

Let's just say that there's a discord that's a bit like 'csdb'. And like csdb, it's about members of the CPC-demoscene. So, yes, a somewhat 'closed club'.

But most (if not all) members do participate in other CPC channels such as the cpcwiki. So noone would be missing anything if he needed help with his projects or even just wants communication.
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« Reply #48 on: 22:30, 11 June 21 »
No worries @Bug Powell . The Discord that @Ast refers to is 95% French-speaking, so I guess you don't miss much anyway.

And (speaking here to everyone, no finger pointing) I feel of course that it's perfectly acceptable to consider being part of the demoscene (and discuss about it) - whatever the scene, the machine.. - with absolutely **nothing** released ("sofa sceners", anyone?).

This thread really went too far. Of course there are ups and downs with the Amstrad demoscene, as in any scene I guess, but I can definitively state that the CPC scene is a great, vibrant, passionate community and that it worth investing some time to understand it. :)
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Re: CPC demos viewed from a c64 user
« Reply #49 on: 23:26, 11 June 21 »
megachur: did I claim anywhere that I was part of the cpc scene?


I just said that if someone wants to be in touch with cpc scene to start making demo, it is very very very complicated. Very discouraging (and your post does not help). Are you part of the expert group mentioned by ast?
As I already wrote in previous posts, I recently discovered cpc community, so of course I didn't release anything yet.
You suggest me to speak with other sceners: it is exactly what I try to do...... no?
Hi,


Sent me a PV, you're welcome on discord cpc.


bye,
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