Is it important for you that a demo runs on all CRTC types?

[Devilmarkus]

Here's a little, but I find, important poll for you

[tastefulmrship]

Why can't I select all three?

   
• I don't mind, because I use an Emulator with CRTC-Types 0-28
• I want cookies
• Err.. What is a demo?

Nah, only kidding! I think coders should be mindful of all CRCT types. Some people still have CRCT-2 monitors and they'd miss out on all the fun! However, I use an emulator (until I find a decent 6128 on eBay) and it's currently set to CRCT-26.

[MaV]

Am I missing something? What the hell means CRTC 0-28?? There's only four the last time I checked. What's next? CRTC 29: CPC with OpenGL support?


All CRTC types should be supported. If it really must be then exclude CRTC2. The only problem I see is how to test it. I don't think every single coder (or coder to be) has access to all CRTC types.

Anyway, the differences between them are not documented. Most websites on that assume implicitly that you know about the subtler differences.

[Devilmarkus]

Am I missing something? What the hell means CRTC 0-28?? There's only four the last time I checked. What's next? CRTC 29: CPC with OpenGL support?

Are you sure, you are using the right emulator? 

[Carnivius]

There was no option for "I don't know what a CRTC is" so I went with cookies cos I'm hungry and I'd like some cookies now.

[Gryzor]

Well, I think such a poll is very definite. I mean, my first option would be "all machines", but if that's not possible then what the heck, emulators are a good way to go...

[voXfReaX]

Am I missing something? What the hell means CRTC 0-28?? There's only four the last time I checked. What's next? CRTC 29: CPC with OpenGL support?


All CRTC types should be supported. If it really must be then exclude CRTC2. The only problem I see is how to test it. I don't think every single coder (or coder to be) has access to all CRTC types.

Anyway, the differences between them are not documented. Most websites on that assume implicitly that you know about the subtler differences.

Hey Cholo,
If you wanna read regarding the CRTC differences, I would suggest you to read this.
It is written by Grim, who is a demo-master; thus, the info found there is (probably) the most accurate


And as for the main question of this thread, I believe that the answer is obvious: YES, IT IS IMPORTANT A DEMO TO RUN ON ALL CRTC TYPES... (OK, CRTC type 2 can be excluded )

[MaV]

Are you sure, you are using the right emulator? 

Emulator? You're kidding me.
Why enhance an emulator with CRTC types? They should accurately emulate all CPCs, not enhance what can't be done on real hardware.

[MaV]

Hey Cholo,

I prefer MaV, thank you very much.

And no, I don't have a Hispanic background. And you know this one is offensive, right?
Go learn some manners. You certainly don't get them by playing GTA: Vice City.

If you wanna read regarding the CRTC differences, I would suggest you to read this.
It is written by Grim, who is a demo-master; thus, the info found there is (probably) the most accurate

Yep, it's good, I've been reading it, and keep returning to it regularly. And I don't want to miss it.
Except, it is not complete, and does not explain the finer differences between the various CRTC types. So, if you don't have all CRTCs in hardware, you can't test your programs. Someone does know, but the knowledge is not shared. In the end, everyone discovers the same abilities by themselves, over and over again.

[Phi2x]

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[MaV]

A while back, I found this matrix on the web which goes deep in the subtleties: http://pulko.mandy.pagesperso-orange.fr/shinra/crtc.shtml

Yes, that's very good info! Thank you!

[voXfReaX]

I prefer MaV, thank you very much.

And no, I don't have a Hispanic background. And you know this one is offensive, right?
Go learn some manners. You certainly don't get them by playing GTA: Vice City.

Take it easy man; I was just about to apologize!!!! What is this? Some kind of joke?
No mistake is allowed, otherwise MaV will hunt and kill you???
Get serious man! I just tried to help you!
I didn't want to undervalue your personality or whatever you imagined in your head!
And be sure that I have manners; some others don't! Got it?

[MaV]

And be sure that I have manners; some others don't! Got it?

Ok, accepted.

And your help IS appreciated. Just be careful with how you address people, especially during the Dog Days.

[Gryzor]

I think Voxfreax just confused the usernames; let's try and take it easy...

Vox, man, I don't think Mav was overly aggressive, so I don't think he deserves lashing out...

Are we good?

[Devilmarkus]

Are we good?

All your base are belong to us

[Gryzor]

Ok then, in the same meme mood, and to cheer us up a bit:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QH2-TGUlwu4#

Now let's get back on topic!

[Devilmarkus]

Spoiler: ShowHide

http://cpc-live.com/AYB.swf

[TFM]

How much coders have CPCs with all three CRTC types - and a Plus?

[MaV]

Are we good?

Sure. The next round is on me.

[norecess]

To me, if a demo does not support all CRTCs, then it's not a demo, it's a prototype.

[Devilmarkus]

In fact, "From Scratch" is a cool demo...
But it's really sad to see that it only works with CRTC type 1...
Thats the only reason, why this demo is not on my "most liked CPC demos"

Ok, ok, other demos have these problems, too:
Big'O'Full'O'Demo -> CRTC 0 only!
X-Files -> CRTC 1 only!
But these are older prods...

(Many demos only work with CRTC 1 or (mostly Prodatron demos) with CRTC 0)

[TFM]

To me, if a demo does not support all CRTCs, then it's not a demo, it's a prototype.

Well, then the French demos are 95% prototypes *ggg*

On the other hand some effects can only be done with CRTC 0 or 1. But this brings us back to the lame discussion of the other thread "How is a demo defined  "

I'm really one of the crazies, who have all CRTCs in CPCs and all types of Monitors, just to see that my trash runs on all machines. But I wouldn't expect that from others.

[MacDeath]

Seriously i don't even know what CRTC I Have on my CPCs...

in the same meme mood

I always thought that a meme(tic) themed demo on Amstrad could be great.

This nyan Cat could do great on CPC or even PLUS.

Perhaps Epic sax guy too ?

[Gryzor]

Seriously i don't even know what CRTC I Have on my CPCs...

I always thought that a meme(tic) themed demo on Amstrad could be great.

This nyan Cat could do great on CPC or even PLUS.

Perhaps Epic sax guy too ?

Ooh you're SO right! And you could even have a DMA sample playing... would be fantastic!

[voXfReaX]

I think Voxfreax just confused the usernames; let's try and take it easy...

Vox, man, I don't think Mav was overly aggressive, so I don't think he deserves lashing out...

Are we good?

I didn't lash out first; MaV did; and his reply was aggressive when you consider that I just confused his nick with Cholo's one.
Anyway, case is closed. I am OK with the guy...

Well, then the French demos are 95% prototypes *ggg*

On the other hand some effects can only be done with CRTC 0 or 1. But this brings us back to the lame discussion of the other thread "How is a demo defined  "

I'm really one of the crazies, who have all CRTCs in CPCs and all types of Monitors, just to see that my trash runs on all machines. But I wouldn't expect that from others.

Same goes for the German ones man! Voyage MD, PDT MD, Ultimade MD run perfectly only on CRTC 0 for example! I think only the Greek demos didn't have a problem since the effects were simpler... "A Step Beyond" is not simpler of course, but this great demo is mainly a software demo rather than a hardware one... Anyway.

I've never been able to find a CPC with CRTC2; but I am a proud owner of CRTCs 0 and 1.
I also have a plus, which is a bit far away for the moment

The definition of what is a demo is rather confusing and might have different meanings to each of us... In my mind it's something like: "A brief illustration of the abilities of a musician, a designer and a coder." Well, in the case of BF, we have a long demonstration, but I feel that none of us have any problem with it