Watch out for that great and cool CPC Demo !
http://www.pouet.net/prod.php?which=61177 (http://www.pouet.net/prod.php?which=61177)
Released by Vanity yesterday at Oldskool Compo / Revision Party - Saarbrücken / Germany
It's not the "Batman Killer" but it's awesome stuff.
Kindly Regards
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A new Amstrad CPC "1337-c0wB0yz" piece of art with a
bunch of World Records inside. Work started mid 2010
Made with lot of sweat, tears and huge erections !!!
Everything fits in memory, because trackloading is for pussy
!!! Take care buddy, you have to watch this on real hardware !!!
Emulators ruins graphics, musics and eat all your children
CPC roolz... but Rhino is still GOD!
Nice to see CPC at Revision. Keep the spirit of the Amstrad alive!
EDIT1: Instant DOWN THUMB on POUET for Hicks's arrogance! ^_^
EDIT2: Actually, I cannot remember my POUET password... and CPC demos are so rare that a THUMB DOWN is really unfair! CPC r00lz and this demo (BF excluded) is the best we've seen for a long time! Go Vanity! Go CPC! (in a good way, not the obvious BAD way) Looking forward to the next Vanity production!
Hi guys,
I have seen it on the 360p streaming during the party (who has said that german people are always ponctual, show started at 11h30 PM :-( ). The demo is really impressive, with enormous rotozoom and quite polished graphics. Ultrasyd has done too a nice job, even if the tune has the same "problem" that in first Vanity prod, not a long single tune, but some little ones linked. I personnaly don't mind, the result is good !
I just one thing that could be better, the pong simulator. Why are players stay only on the top of the scree ? And it would be more logic if the screen disparears after the ball has hit the wall.
Downloading the prod on pouet, I have been surprised to discover a nice fake cracktro ;-).
About Hicks' arrogance, don't take it too seriously, that's demoscene spirit :-) (yes, sometimes it looks like children war, these guys will never grow up ). The demo deserves a thumb up for me !
T&J/GPA or maybe Zenith/Fatality ?
Really nice music, graphics, presentation and effects.
I love the end effect with the chains.
I think the "chunky" pixel look on the effects is really well done.
Great demo!
Can't wait to get a new CPC and running this on the real thing. There are some color blends that doesn't look good on emulator (I am based in UK now, gonna search for a new CPC on ebay soon) but I know they will look great on a real CPC monitor.
When I heard it's a Batman killer I was expecting something epic. It wasn't delivered. It was solid, had it's own style, but short. Mosly enjoyed the big rotozoomers. The rest of the effects were big and colorful too, even if reprodution of line based effects. I adore the graphics with the trains and the presentation of it. It really has it's own unique graphical design.
Quote from: Tom&Jerry on 10:00, 31 March 13
About Hicks' arrogance, don't take it too seriously, that's demoscene spirit :-) (yes, sometimes it looks like children war, these guys will never grow up ). The demo deserves a thumb up for me !
I know... but it's still fun to "play the villain" and pretend that I care! ^_^
It's just a shame they didn't ask you to continue your "guest" role in Vanity. A new T&J tune is always welcome!
(no offence to uSyd, his tune was brilliant)
EDIT: My only gripe is that Vanity sat on this for TWO years. I was expecting a lot more from them! "Too short, too few effects, too late!"
The demo online: http://java.cpc-live.com/demo.php?id=-S-&title=stillrising (http://java.cpc-live.com/demo.php?id=-S-&title=stillrising)
And the 'cracktro', too: http://java.cpc-live.com/demo.php?id=-S-&title=stillrising2 (http://java.cpc-live.com/demo.php?id=-S-&title=stillrising2)
I personally more like the cracktro ;)
The cracktro is awesome.
I don't particularly care for the Mr Oizo music part (though the rest is nice!), but the demo is cool. Must watch it on my real machine :)
Could somebody please upload the demo and cracktro here?
I cannot download from ftp at work, and my java plugin gets completely mad when trying to run Markus' emulator...
'course, here ya go!
Thank you very much!
2nd place is a great achievement for CPC demos at a world-scene party! Conglatulations, you win!
However, I feel even Batman Forever would not have beaten Rink'A'Dink. LemonPOINT are too big an Amiga influence (especially with a Commodore loving audience) to allow anything else to come close... so...
Still Rising won the Oldeskool Demo Compo by proxy, as the Amiga demos should never be included in the predominately 8-bit orientated Oldeskool Demo Compo.
Rink'A'Dink has to be disqualified to not respect one of the few contest rules...
It must not excess 8mn and it run over 10 !!!
Oldskool | Revision 2013 (http://2013.revision-party.net/compos/oldskool)
@Toto: the main demo is actually less than 8 minutes. The rest is a greetings part that loads afterwards, much like Wake Up does. The actual paricipating demo is about 6'30'' long.
rb
The greetings are launched from the demo, yes or no ?
I'm not gonna compare between Batman Forever and Still Running as I find that making comparisons is hateful, I preffer to say that both demos show what CPC can achieve!. It's really nice demo, congrats to the Vanity team, was really cool with some impressive effects, specially liked the graphic artistic part of it, neat style.
Is there a page with all the entries put together?
there: http://pouet.net/party.php?which=1550&when=2013 (http://pouet.net/party.php?which=1550&when=2013)
rb
Quote from: Gryzor on 16:18, 01 April 13
Is there a page with all the entries put together?
Scene.org files - http://www.scene.org/dir.php?dir=%2Fparties%2F2013%2Frevision13/ (http://www.scene.org/dir.php?dir=%2Fparties%2F2013%2Frevision13/)
Pouet.net files - http://www.pouet.net/party.php?which=1550&when=2013 (http://www.pouet.net/party.php?which=1550&when=2013)
Ooh yeah. FTP download initiated, thanks guys!
Wow, what a great demo, I especially liked the amazing twister.
And even though I've never much cared for the demo-making Politik, the cracktro was very funny!
Quote from: Pentagon on 08:26, 31 March 13
It's not the "Batman Killer" but it's awesome stuff.
It has effects superior to Batman Forever! So it is at least half a Batman killer.
Quote from: tastefulmrship on 11:28, 31 March 13
EDIT: My only gripe is that Vanity sat on this for TWO years. I was expecting a lot more from them! "Too short, too few effects, too late!"
So why don't you make it better instead of talking so loud?
Quote from: TFM/FS on 20:06, 01 April 13
So why don't you make it better instead of talking so loud?
Nah, I'll leave that to the professionals; Rhino, SyX, cngsoft, arnoldemu, redbox, axelay, etc...
well, after reading Hicks' last comments on Pouet website I'm gonna eat my own words as I totally hated his arrogant attitude on the message... Still Rising is a very good demo 2nd at Revision but even so it will always be a second to BF cos it just cant compite with the B E S T CPC demo E V E R ... period
Quote from: trocoloco on 20:57, 01 April 13well, after reading Hicks' last comments on Pouet website I'm gonna eat my own words as I totally hated his arrogant attitude on the message...
True: Perhaps Still Rising is technically better.
True: Who cares, when the "better" effects look more bad than the non-better effects in BF?
True: Anyone has his own opinion. And mine is: BF is ages better than Still Rising. Perhaps not in the technical aspect but in inspiration, visual aspect and so on.
True: Still Rising is a good prod. but is not compareable to BF or other demos. BF is telling a story. Still Rising is telling a list of "mine effects are better than in BF".
Edit: Pussytracks load better with a Loader.
Do not be so childish and do not judge a demo on the code attitude, taunting is usual for demomakers.to be honnest i didn't have time to watch enough this new demo to make my own opinion but it is technical impressive.actually saying bf is better is just a question of personnal feeling.
Quote from: fano on 05:59, 02 April 13
Do not be so childish and do not judge a demo on the code attitude, taunting is usual for demomakers.to be honnest i didn't have time to watch enough this new demo to make my own opinion but it is technical impressive.actually saying bf is better is just a question of personnal feeling.
Ok, if that is childish I'll explain u what I see.. Even Rhino congratulated them for the demo at pouet instead of saying something like "oh well not good enough" or "mine still better" and some bulshit like that. Even so Hicks still goes on about how better is technically to BF and blablabla .. and personally, I have not seen a single nice comment about BF demo coming from Hicks..
Come on , I can understand demomakers tauntings and he made a point with the Vanity demo, and yet he keeps going on and on with all the rant... after 2 years? can someone tell me what kind of attitude is that? ...
As I wrote: Anyone has his opinion and mine is: blablablabla ;)
Scene wangst aside, the demo is very good, technically and graphically. Those aren't easy effects to do on a CPC. I'd put it above the Amiga demo because of that.
Horrible unreadable fonts though.
For me The problem is not here.i can perfectly understand your feeling about hicks attitude.you can say hicks is an asshole because he acts like this.i'd see no problem to this because he's old enough to reply to this and assume what he said.But, reading some messages here it seems : i do not agree with hicks so his work and beb and usid work is shit.the remark was not only for your message.aftet that was my personnal feeling...
If you want to say "hicks i didn't like your attitude, you are an asshole" (warning he may like that) send him a pm or post it at pushnpop.
Btw nothing personnal but i'd prefer to post about things i didn't like...
I think Still Rising is a nice demo, and I loved the twisters. But for me it's nowhere near Batman Forever.
Quote from: trocoloco on 09:45, 02 April 13
Come on , I can understand demomakers tauntings and he made a point with the Vanity demo, and yet he keeps going on and on with all the rant... after 2 years? can someone tell me what kind of attitude is that? ...
Well, it's pretty much the normal demoscene attitude, which is not to be taken 100% seriously :)
Quote from: fano on 10:16, 02 April 13
For me The problem is not here.i can perfectly understand your feeling about hicks attitude.you can say hicks is an asshole because he acts like this.i'd see no problem to this because he's old enough to reply to this and assume what he said.But, reading some messages here it seems : i do not agree with hicks so his work and beb and usid work is shit.the remark was not only for your message.aftet that was my personnal feeling...
If you want to say "hicks i didn't like your attitude, you are an asshole" (warning he may like that) send him a pm or post it at pushnpop.
Btw nothing personnal but i'd prefer to post about things i didn't like...
Of course I'm saying I dont like his attitude but I'm not saying he is an asshole (why should I anyway?).. and again, just in case u didn't read all my comments, I think that the demo and his work is great, so don't put words I didn't say in my mouth.
I don't have acc at pushnpop (never needed to open one) and I wont bother to tell him that I don't like the way he behaves (he's old enough to know what he does), he can read it here if he wants, I'm just sick of the bulshit and stupid arguments between BF and SR instead of congratulating for the greak work and achievements they have reached for the CPC...
CPC is a small scene and doest it have to be divided too? I dont see the point
Hi everybody... I just discover these 3 pages of feedback, so I have not be able to answer before.
My first feeling is: what a bunch of very discouraging and unfair reactions... A lot of you takes the thing really wrong. As I just said on shoutbox, people really need to go to party, meet people and stop to take each word soooo seriously. The more agressive people here are the people who never meet me and never go to parties... what a coincidence! And the curious thing is that everybody applaused Rhino's attack towards the C64 and CPC scene, and the one towards Vanity... Funny no?
@Trocoloco: you wrote that I've never say nice words about BF. I made an interview of the whole BF team for Push'n'Pop some times after the release, you can find it here: Push'n'Pop | Amstrad CPC Demoscene | Batman Forever team (http://pushnpop.net/articles-32.html). It's the best homage for their awesome work. You can also look my spontaneous reaction on Pouet about the demo: http://www.pouet.net/prod.php?which=56761 (http://www.pouet.net/prod.php?which=56761).
I was expecting much more kindness/goodwill from you guys. It's obvious that the "attack" toward BF are here just to stimulate Rhino to do another demo (exactly like their words towards Vanity are in this sense). And seeing a new Rhino demo will be a nice thing, isn't it?
Hicks, ok man congratulations for your interview at pushnpop, so now all you've done is say good stuff about BF and his precalculated techniques and blablabla, yeah ok man whatever u say I dont buy it. In any case if u say that it's was all for the pose and for the laugh, well, good on ya, happy to know it
Just to add my oar into the discussion. I chatted quite a bit with Hicks at the party and certainly in real life he didn't come across as at all arrogant. I think that yes there might have been an element of hyping up the demo a bit too much, which as several people have pointed out meant that people already had high expectations before they saw it and so if it didn't live up to those expectations, they'd perceive it as less good than if nothing had been said about it before they saw it.
That said, starting the demo with "track loaders are for pussies" immediately puts people on the defensive. Yes, it is impressive that all that demo fitted into 65KB, but on the other hand track loaders are what pushed Amiga demos back in the day from smallish demos into mega demos and later into very cohesive long demos, often with no obvious loading times at all. Personally, I think track loaders are probably a better direction to go - and the trick is actually have something interesting happening on screen during loading, which is something the CPC scene is still missing really.
But going back to this demo, it was technically very good. It looked nice, and lots of people including me were very impressed by the colours. The effects were good, the artwork was good and the soundtrack was really nicely coupled to the flow of the demo. Over all, it was a very nice demo to watch. There were a couple of odd things, like the choice of such a tiny font at the end, but it was still a very good demo.
I think there was enough there to keep the audience engaged, and don't forget most of these people are used to C64 and Amiga demos. I'm pretty sure most people watching wouldn't have actually noticed the improvements over previous CPC demos because quite simply, they don't really know what the CPC is capable of. Whilst this can work in favour of the CPC scene by doing stuff that's hard on the C64, it can also be a negative because if we just ape effects that are easy on the C64 then nobody is impressed by it.
And finally, returning to the taunting between groups... personally, I don't like it - I prefer to just compliment the good stuff I see and ignore the stuff I don't like, but actually again looking at the history of the Amiga demoscene (which is all I'm familiar with really), it's clear that this kind of stuff does spur people on to create ever better and better demos, if they're thick skinned enough to not take the criticism personally but instead use it as motivation to improve the next time. But there's always the risk of overstepping the line and properly offending someone to the extent where they stop bothering any more. Hopefully that doesn't happen as both Hicks and Rhino have proved that they can create great demos and it'd be a shame to not see any more from either of them in the future.
We need a dictionary: Demoscene -> Nerd, Nerd -> Demoscene ;)
Also, I just wanted to add that it seems that people at the demo parties themselves are much more tolerant of fellow demomakers and other platforms than people observing the scene from outside. Even on the shoutbox here on cpcwiki, people were on the whole pretty quick to criticise anything and everything in the demos on the stream, but the atmosphere inside the hall was very different. People there respect the first time demos because they remember their own first demos, they respect other platforms because they know the difficulties they have worked around the limitations of their own favourite platform. And even if it's just another text scroller with a few bobs and copper bars, they just swig some more beer and wait for the next one.
Yes, there's always shouts of "Amiiiiiiga" or whatever, but really there's never any actual real platform rivalry other than in jest. At the end of the day, most people code on whatever their parents happened to buy when they were younger, not because it was actually "the best" (whatever that means).
Well, the shoutbox comments are another thing altogether. We sit in front of a screen and vent our frustration at not being able to attend the party, that's all. :D
This should not be taken as serious as it looks ("crap demo", "I'm bored", "yawn", "seen it all", etc.)
Some of us get completely pissed after a few bottles of wine and behave in a way you would not expect from them at all. :D (Are you sober yet, tasty?)
I know how a real party feels different from the stream at home.
I also found the scroll font unreadable.
The picture that mixed mode 1 and mode 0 was done so well I missed that the modes were mixed so cleverly. Now I see it as a screenshot on the wiki front page, I can see how it seamlessly joins together.
I too didn't fully appreciate some of the differences that made it technically better than BF.
But, taking that into account, I still thought it was a good demo. The graphics, presentation and sound were well done.
Looking forward to the next Vanity demo.
Reack load are for pussies who want to compete effectively against Amiga500 or 1040STe (or 4096STe) or those 8bit systems whose graphics take half RAM space (Speccy, C64/C128...).
To have it in 65K is great, but I don't think all the guys who code on PC can really appreciate this as a mean to vote for it.
A good Amiga demo uses lots of RAM compaired to this.
An AmstradCPC would actually need 256K to be an "half atari 520ST".
So Trackload/multiload is a way to fill the demo with more samples, fullscreen graphics and so on between those awesome code effects.
The twister were nice, really loved the ditherings, but I think most of them could be done in Mode1 on a PLUS, perhaps even in mode2 with good use of Hardsprites...(multiplex+raster).
And the 4K palette would enable to get tid of those ditherings too.
On the other hand, those ditherings are nice because they give some texture.
QuoteI also found the scroll font unreadable.
That's why scroll texts are always boring IMO.
those who zoom the whole screen would need to be actually subtitled... just use a 8 pixel line so the same text is displayed in "readable mode" somewhere.
Or use something else than Letters... Asteroid field? Spaceships?
Concerning the "arrogant douche" attitude... well, it's Demoscene banter.
But are you sure the newscene is aware of this old tradition?
I like it anyway.
another subjet :
Crowd pleaser (C64 #3 compo)
HITMEN 2013 CROWD PLEASER (C64) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZmqQyk0PEY#)
It could get many screens done on CPC in Mode1 as well instead of those "big pixels".
I'm talking about those logo/title screens of course. but not only.
Not sure the physical engine (squares and rectangle falling) could be done that well on CPC though... could they?
The part around 1:55 could certainly look betterly in mode1 without the vertical border (upper and bootom parts of the screen).
Indeed I can easily understand why Vanity beat them.
The chiptune wasn't that impressive too, i mean, isn't Sid supposed to be best thing ever? well, depends on the guy who compose for it.
The part at 1:30 is somewhat messy.
They try to make illusion there is no bottom/top border but... not sure it works well.
Part at 2:13 is also a bit messy but good looking.
It this just a simple attribute character trick?
Don't think it takes so many talent to get this done on a C64... even a MSX1 could do it I guess.
QuoteWe need a dictionary: Demoscene -> Nerd, Nerd -> Demoscene
C64 : mainstream and somewhat lazy.
Amiga : mainstream but more lazy ones.
Atari ST : not as good as Amiga, abuse RAM expansions.
Spectrum : colourclashfags, abuse 1bpp and attributes.
MSX1 : considered a speccy in europe. what? it has sprites?
Amstrad CPC : oh, see MSX1 definition...wait what? it's not an Atari ST ?
Amstrad PLUS : "it is not a CPC so we hate it"
Quote from: Devilmarkus on 16:41, 02 April 13
We need a dictionary: Demoscene -> Nerd, Nerd -> Demoscene ;)
looks like, cos not every1 can be as cool right? :P
I am cooler than you! (Ok you are right! I should raise my room temperature)
There is people who only speak,there is people who don't speak and do things on CPC.
Quote from: MacDeath on 19:35, 02 April 13The chiptune wasn't that impressive too, i mean, isn't Sid supposed to be best thing ever? well, depends on the guy who compose for it.
So true...
Oxyron - Natural Wonders - Real C64, 8580 SID (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-TQ-mYH938#)
Oxyron - Coma Light 13 (2012) C64 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uW_p2rElYVQ#)
BOOZE DESIGN 2008 EDGE OF DISGRACE (C64) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzvMYE3PUn4#)
Since Batman Forever and now Still Rising... (who's next?) C64 demo realy not make me dream.
Quote from: Snake_Plissken on 08:07, 03 April 13
There is people who only speak,there is people who don't speak and do things on CPC.
Yes, that's what the Italian guy told at the beginning of Boondock Saints II.
And I agree with that!
I dislike in-scene fighting as much as the next guy, but I don't think the reaction here was so bad, was it?
I think the two main elements were:
-wow, really nice
-...BF.
And the second element was a bit inappropriate.
Oh well, friendly competation can be a great source of motivation. However, in reality - very sadly - this kind of friendly competition usually turns in to some kind of war too often. And people forget that we all love the same computer. I always thought that only Germans are that crazy, but now I see the rest of the world is not doing better. Shall I laugh or cry? Well, let's hope for the best... and regerding the coders of the two major demos (of the last few years) - they seem to get better along than other people, whose business this actually not really.
So let's have a good woking together :) :) :)
Sadly, peoples that critic are often the same that does nothing...
Often... or nearly always ;D
Quote from: Snake_Plissken on 08:07, 03 April 13
There is people who only speak,there is people who don't speak and do things on CPC.
that's right, and there is people that do things on CPC and speak too.. and that gives them the right to do it? .. I don't know...I suppose..
Well, I wanted to point out an attitude that I didn't like and of course in my eyes I can get it wrong but NEVER criticise no one's work as I appreciate and have always thanked for every single thing made for the CPC, even the 64K games (I can't help it, I love loading tapes hehe)... but I sincerely apologize to anyone that has been offended because of my words
Quote from: TotO on 00:07, 04 April 13
Sadly, peoples that critic are often the same that does nothing...
That is very true.
There are two groups of people out there:
1) The ones who knows every little term in details and can explain anything you ask them using by-the-book explanations and terms. If you don't know these terms, then you are worthless and have no value whatsoever in the world. For some reason (take a guess) these people mostly don't have a job, despite this expertise, and they spend most their time bitching about everyone in the 2nd group.
2) The ones who has no clue what they're doing - at least when it comes to the names everyone else is calling it. They just do it and gets lots of stuff done. They always think outside the box, because they mostly never took a look at it, so they don't even know there is a box. This group of people are usually very productive and enthusiastic about their work.
On a few rare occasions, people from group 1 moves to group 2 for a while, as they create something productive. Then moves back to group 1 again and arrogantly critisizes every other similar production. No doubt in their mind that their production is the best in the world.
True story.
Can we PLEASE cut the crap and get back on track? Seriously, if one more post about off-topic issues is posted I will clean the entire thread. I've had FIVE reports from various people reporting this or that post, and really I simply don't get why one would feel that a thread about a cool demo is the place to vent their complexes or frustration.
So PLEASE.
By the way, being called Vanity enable to act like this, and they have the effects to back their words.
Perhaps the little issue is that they targeted the Batman Demo, while they should have targeted other 8 bit computers...
They brillantly beat all of them this year...only and Amiga could match them.
Ther thing peoples focused on was that they didn't killed the Batman, and forget they killed those C64, speccy, Atari4096STe and MSX1 (also an Amiga500).
And I guess Lemon also profited from the fact they were well known historical figures of Amiga demoscene and that Amiga is alwaus the favourite.
(their demo was good anyway)
A good thing with demos like Still Rising or Batman is that many peoples told they believed they were looking at a good AtariST Demo instead of an 8bit computer.
Not bad, IMO.
Basically, this Still Rising is quasi a 64K demo too. :)
Would have been nice if they managed to fit 64K strictly... but Oldskool category wasn't into such sort of categories.
Still they got lots of good comments and thumbs up at Pouet... where the Amstrad is gaining more visibility and credibility as a serious Demo machine.
What's happening here?
A "Report-A-Thread-Contest"?
My Thunderbird got filled by several mails about several reports...
I feel like a group 1 guy :D
I feel like i'm being liked... ;)
Quote from: MacDeath on 19:35, 02 April 13
another subjet :
Crowd pleaser (C64 #3 compo)
Not sure the physical engine (squares and rectangle falling) could be done that well on CPC though... could they?
I've been thinking about it. The boxes physics seems simpler than the water, the water dazzles me.
Boxes are always 8, assuming the 8 hw sprites of C64. Also, the rotation is several sets of animation, different sets of hw sprites for say 8 rotation states from 0 to 90 degrees.
They have the rendering for free. But the important part is the physics of course. Possible with the different sprites version with different angles, some additional data could be stored, declination, normal vectors, bounding boxes, weight center, etc. It could ease the situation. I have not coded physics with rigid bodies, I'd have to try this first.
But then I thought. 8 sprites * 3 bytes (x, y, rotation state) * 50 frames * 5 seconds = 6000 bytes. Could easilly be precalculated physics positions, fitted in memory or loaded from disk. Though, I believe it can be done realtime. Maybe it is in the demo, maybe it isn't.
The water, seems like several particles colliding and bouncing together. Already scary. The resolution seems like pixel perfect, but it's easilly seen they are using character tiles, the animation is jumping many pixels. Same is with their blobs at the beginning, even some other effects, that plasma heightmap I so much like, clever tiles to not look blocky but curvy, could even be a primitive version of marching cubes algorithm in 2d and with the char tiles (or are they smaller, gonna check). The rendering alone could be recreated on CPC but with software tile rendering, which could eat 2-3VBL depending on the size of the screen. But the physics of the water dazzles me. How many particles are in there? 8*8 collisions with the boxes could be fine, but with more it could be too much to calculate.
Does that mean I can have Angry Birds for CPC now?? ;D
Bryce.
Quote from: Bryce on 10:22, 05 April 13
Does that mean I can have Angry Birds for CPC now?? ;D
No, but you can have it for the Plus. ;D
(http://i.imgur.com/rlI8bWv.png)
No plus sprites for the birds??? :P
Yes! When will it be released?? :)
Up to now, the only "angry bird" near my CPC was the wife telling me to turn it off and do something useful[nb]For some reason she doesn't agree with my definition of the word useful[/nb]
Bryce.
Well, back to topic:
Still Rising doesn't run on my 6128 Plus. Tells me I need CRTC 0 or 1. :o
Where as Batman Forever runs fine.
Hey ho, nice demo, but would have been better if I could run it on real hardware...!
Quote from: redbox on 14:23, 05 April 13
Still Rising doesn't run on my 6128 Plus. Tells me I need CRTC 0 or 1. :o
Plus is known as CRTC type 3 in the CPC community. It's not actually a real CRTC, it's emulated inside the ASIC chip and behaves slightly differently to a real CRTC in certain edge cases.
Quote from: ralferoo on 15:11, 05 April 13
Plus is known as CRTC type 3 in the CPC community. It's not actually a real CRTC, it's emulated inside the ASIC chip and behaves slightly differently to a real CRTC in certain edge cases.
Ah yes, I know this - the point I was making was that BF works on all CRTCs, even the 'emulated' type 3. Rhino even 'teases' Vanity about their effects not working on all CRTCs in the BF demo.
So this is points lost to Hicks in the Hicks Vs Rhino 'discussions' ;)
Quote from: redbox on 14:23, 05 April 13
Still Rising doesn't run on my 6128 Plus. Tells me I need CRTC 0 or 1. :o
Where as Batman Forever runs fine.
Interesting, because BF does hang up here on the CPC6128+ as soon as the city scene is starting.
Quote from: MaV on 15:32, 05 April 13
Interesting, because BF does hang up here on the CPC6128+ as soon as the city scene is starting.
Trackloader problem?
Quote from: McKlain on 15:49, 05 April 13
Trackloader problem?
I would say so.
Runs fine on my 6128 Plus using a HxC USB (on the B drive!) and the large double sided DSK image.
Quote from: redbox on 15:15, 05 April 13
Ah yes, I know this - the point I was making was that BF works on all CRTCs, even the 'emulated' type 3. Rhino even 'teases' Vanity about their effects not working on all CRTCs in the BF demo.
So this is points lost to Hicks in the Hicks Vs Rhino 'discussions' ;)
As far as I know, BF doesn't run on crtc 2, correct me if I'm wrong.
Never had any problem running batman forever in any of my 3 6128+ machines.
No trackloader problem. I'm using an HxC and the same BF one disk on it. On the normal CPC it runs ok.
Quote from: ralferoo on 15:11, 05 April 13
Plus is known as CRTC type 3 in the CPC community. It's not actually a real CRTC, it's emulated inside the ASIC chip and behaves slightly differently to a real CRTC in certain edge cases.
Does it mean that CPC old with CRTC type 4 is not a CPC ? :P
Although it's been a while, I'm fairly sure Batman Forever runs fine on my CPC+ too.
Yeah, forget what I said guys.
I just checked both pluses with BF and the second one runs the demo (albeit with synchro problems.) Anyway, the first has some problems with the keyboard which should have given me a hunch that something definitely is not right with it. *grrr*
Bug-tracking mode on ...
I managed to see Batman demo on a plus with "internal" 3"1/2 floppies...
Perhaps the disk wasn't welll written. I also had this with a faulty "1 sided" disk at a "demo party" where I failed to get them see Batman demo in real in totality... (stoped at half) I guess I took the wrong disk and took the one I screwedup.
Fail compilation?