ORIGINAL GAMES PLEASE

Started by EgoTrip, 15:41, 27 September 12

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Bryce

Don't forget to print it in red text on a blue background too! Or even a pattern or picture in the background, to really fuck up our eyesight, if the 80's didn't already do that for us.

Bryce.

TotO

Quote from: Bryce on 12:14, 02 November 12
Don't forget to print it in red text on a blue background too!
It's the 80's "3D" !!!  ;D
(sure, today we use the 3D word for speaking about relief, because 2K's consumers are dumbs)
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dragon

Is posible made a "3D" game using the converter hardware in modern 3D tvs that convert 2d image to 3d image?.

:D

Bryce

Well the CPC only refreshes the screen 50 times per second. With 3D you need 2 sets of every screen, ie: the CPC could only manage 25 frames per second in 3D. On top of that, it needs to change the entire contents of the screen between pictures and calculate the rest of the game code at the same time. I reckon you'd end up with a 2fps game :D not exactly fast action.

Bryce.

dragon

mmm.I not speak about the cpc generate the 3D game and the tv read it.I speak about made a 2D game.With diferent layers optimized to the 2D->3D tv converter.So the tv is the hardware that generated the 3d simulated from the cpc 2D image(optimized to create more sesation of 3D).

Gryzor

I think Bryce explained it in full. It doesn't matter what style the game is in, the necessary output for 3D reintepretation needs certain things, and the CPC would get bogged down.

TFM

Nice. Well, sorry to disappoint you now, but I did a 3 D game (looks a bit like starglider) on the CPC. However I never released it because it needs you to add some carton in front of your CTM. And this must be in precise correlation with the distance of your both eyes, so nobody has the time to set it up. But it runs with 50 fps  :P
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Bryce

Quote from: dragon on 18:55, 06 November 12
mmm.I not speak about the cpc generate the 3D game and the tv read it.I speak about made a 2D game.With diferent layers optimized to the 2D->3D tv converter.So the tv is the hardware that generated the 3d simulated from the cpc 2D image(optimized to create more sesation of 3D).

Yes, but even when the TV does the 2D -> 3D conversion, it needs two pictures per frame, so it needs to be fed with 100x 16K per second for a smooth 50hz picture on the TV. That's 1.6MB per second! No 4Mhz Z80 could do that, even if it had nothing else to do.

Bryce.

ivarf

Quote from: Bryce on 22:26, 06 November 12
Yes, but even when the TV does the 2D -> 3D conversion, it needs two pictures per frame, so it needs to be fed with 100x 16K per second for a smooth 50hz picture on the TV. That's 1.6MB per second! No 4Mhz Z80 could do that, even if it had nothing else to do.

Bryce.
So how does this work when they feed a usual TV-signal like one from a vcr or DVD? Surely this would be the same with the signal from the CPC? The extra frames is probably done by the television?

Bryce

The TV can't invent frames. A standard vcr or dvd can't produce a 3D picture, only 3D DVD/BluRay players can do that and the do send 2 pictures for every frame.

Bryce.

ivarf

 :laugh:   seems like I am to retro still using my 464 and VCR and the only 3D i see is in games like 3D Starstrike and Knight Lore :)

dragon

o.k imposible,second round.I ask this in spanish forum,but i'ts unkown if it work.

What happend with wanderer 3D style game?.I read the 2d-3d tv algorithms can transform any legacy 3d format to new 3D format(anaglafic included).

So the wanderer(in 3D mode).Can work in tv 3D?.And if it works is  posible create new game style wanderer?.

reference:http://www.hdlogix.com/modules/text-big/collateral/HDLogix_3D_IQ_Overview001.pdf


Bryce

According to the information in your link, the picture wouldn't need to be changed at all. So any and every CPC game would be 3D using their system. However, if you've ever seen one of these 3D screens in action, you'll know that they don't deliver what they promise.

Bryce.

TFM

Quote from: ivarf on 23:01, 06 November 12
:laugh:   seems like I am to retro still using my 464 and VCR and the only 3D i see is in games like 3D Starstrike and Knight Lore :)
Take a look at dogfight 2187, it has real 3D (by smart choice of colors), but you need a real CTM. No emulation ;-)
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awergh

Quote from: Bryce on 17:01, 06 November 12
Well the CPC only refreshes the screen 50 times per second. With 3D you need 2 sets of every screen, ie: the CPC could only manage 25 frames per second in 3D. On top of that, it needs to change the entire contents of the screen between pictures and calculate the rest of the game code at the same time. I reckon you'd end up with a 2fps game :D not exactly fast action.

Bryce.


Perfect for 3D text adventures!!  :P

Gryzor

Quote from: ivarf   seems like I am to retro still using my 464 and VCR and the only 3D i see is in games like 3D Starstrike and Knight Lore
I really prefer that kind of 3D.

Yes, today's TVs are impressive, but mostly for the tech demos they put on in stores. It's an ancient technology and I really can't stand watching a full football game in 3D, for instance. Wireframe was so much better...

Bryce

They show Football matches in Wireframe in Greece??!!?? Wow, that must be cool.

Bryce.

Gryzor

I think it's part of the devolution. First the Merkel made us swap our colour TVs with B&W ones, then she wanted us to remove aerials and replace them with Pong consoles. Our proud PM, however, fiercely fought back and managed to get wireframe programmes. Stick it to the man!

Bryce

Yeah, wait till she announces that your Radio will be replaced by a string quartett sitting in the corner of your Kitchen. She'll sell the idea a "job creation" though :D

Bryce.

Gryzor

Can't wait to see what she has in store for late-night soft-porn shows.

...not that I'd know anything about these, of course

(and please, no jokes including Merkel in my living room)

Bryce

You just spoiled my possibly funniest comment of the year!

Bryce.

Gryzor

Would have been too easy ;)

Bryce


Gryzor

C'mon, you're better than that! (also, we're off-topic).

EgoTrip

Just use 3D construction kit. I know its not the same thing.

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