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Some silly crap going on between LuegoLu3go (making the game Nogalious) and 4mhz who are making these cool looking games and from what Redirac translated for me from all the spanish tweets it does seem LuegoLu3go are being kinda jerky.
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As far as I know, Luegolu3go has threatened to initiate legal actions against 4mhz for plagiarism.


All quite ludicrous, and a shame...
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As far as I know, Luegolu3go has threatened to initiate legal actions against 4mhz for plagiarism.
All quite ludicrous, and a shame...

Looks like Luegolu3go has done plagiarism of Zelda for Nogalious game   :-\
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Plagiarism?  :picard:  This is nonsense. I think LuegoLu3go has been wrong.
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4Mhz have released a statement (in Spanish):

https://www.4mhz.es/2018/04/19/comunicado-4mhz-es/
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Similar statement by LuegoLu3go studios: https://www.luegolu3go.com/blog/comunicado-oficial


In my opinion, if they are so trigger happy, they should be using that energy to develop the damn game.


They behave as if they were a very big game company and they haven't released a single game yet...


Oh well, I guess there's nothing else to see here, moving on.
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Claiming plagiarism on low-res 8 bit pixel art is absurd, 99% of 8 bit games look, and play like something else, if the game engine's code was copied byte for byte, or game itself was ripped off - that would be one thing, but a few sprites? on a non-commercial game???

Good luck on your next kickstarter guys!
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So :

Germany : Drama over alternative OS on CPC.

France : Drama between demogroups/clans.

UK : Drama between Speccyfanboyz and CPCmaster-race.


Spain : Drama between retrogames makers on obsolete systems because they both use some overused mémés things (omg, spiders in caverns ? omg, tiles of stones? omg adventurer sprite.... you stole my ideas !!! I invented RickDangerous and Prehistorik before all of you !)

And we shall call this conflict the Spanish Civil VaporWars...


(ok not cool to joke about that but what should I do then ?)


Need a translated version...
But is that some sort of "patent troll" tactics?

Can someone translate ansd post here both parties pretentions and claims ?






Anything to comfess, Greece ?
I am sure you also have a fair share of dramas... :picard:



I wasn't quite sure it wasn't a joke, obviously not.

will have to redesign some tiles and sprites I guess.
« Last Edit: 01:26, 20 April 18 by MacDeath »
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It looks like a complex situation, although I must admit that I find surprising these kind of problems when we are talking about Amstrad games, and it seems that I am not the only one. Even in the worse case scenario (both games using a few identical or similar assets) would that do any harm to the studios involved in making them? Would that change the number of copies they are going to sell? I don´t think so...

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Seeing as they got their money via kickstarter before development, I can't see how... If there was blatant plagerism, they could have said 'Hey, you're stuff looks like ours... We hope you're going to give us credit for inspiring you!' and got some free publicity.

Reputations are built over years, and destroyed in seconds... threatening hobbyist developers in the community you're hoping will buy your product is not going to go well
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This is utterly ridiculous... wow.
Especially considering that Nogalious will be released across a variety of platforms, with different graphics in the different versions.

I feel kind of silly for having supported the kickstarter now...
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I want everything finally to be clarified and an agreement reached that does not harm anyone
« Last Edit: 09:34, 20 April 18 by XeNoMoRPH »
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Just a quick version of the facts for people who doesn't understand spanish:
  • Javier from 4MHz makes an agreement to colaborate on LUEGOLU3GO after meeting Raúl in RetroPixel Málaga.
  • Javier shows Raúl a mockup of how they can improve Nogalious using some graphics from one of their current projects (Malasombra).
  • There is a misunderstanding and Raúl thinks they can use the graphics in the CPC version of Nogalious.
  • 4MHz makes an announcement about their projects and Raúl gets mad when they see Malasombra graphics.
  • Raúl sends Javier a legal document written by his attorney to remove the graphics from Malasombra (!!!).
It's VERY LOGICAL, right?  :picard2:
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In the case there's a need to arrest some spanish guys, send them ato Germany. We will do the job. Reliably. 8)

Unbelievable story!
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I assume there's a contract in place giving LUEGOLU3GO exclusive use of his graphics? If not...
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I do think oral agreements have legal validity as well, however this whole thing is ridiculous indeed...
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Is there anything going on in Spain of which we don't know about?
A massive heat wave, mating season, collapse of capitalism, excessive gun violence, drug legalisation?

Come on, guys! Get your act together! I'm sure you can set your problems aside and go on developing your games.
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It is all a matter of "legal proof"...
which can sometimes be hard to provide.
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They're on a level on this matter that legal proof is ridiculous. This should rather be handled in a taberna with a couple of cerveza.
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I do think oral agreements have legal validity as well, however this whole thing is ridiculous indeed...
Even if they were technically in the right (And I don't think they were) they should not have resorted to legal threats as a first response.

It shouldn't even be a about "right or wrong", but self preservation for their company... who's going to want to do work for their company now, or even help them for free? knowing that this is how they respond to disputes?
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Just a quick version of the facts for people who doesn't understand spanish:
  • Javier from 4MHz makes an agreement to colaborate on LUEGOLU3GO after meeting Raúl in RetroPixel Málaga.
  • Javier shows Raúl a mockup of how they can improve Nogalious using some graphics from one of their current projects (Malasombra).
  • There is a misunderstanding and Raúl thinks they can use the graphics in the CPC version of Nogalious.
  • 4MHz makes an announcement about their projects and Raúl gets mad when they see Malasombra graphics.
  • Raúl sends Javier a legal document written by his attorney to remove the graphics from Malasombra (!!!).
It's VERY LOGICAL, right?  :picard2:

Thanks for clearing things up. How pathetic though!


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Even if they were technically in the right (And I don't think they were) they should not have resorted to legal threats as a first response.

It shouldn't even be a about "right or wrong", but self preservation for their company... who's going to want to do work for their company now, or even help them for free? knowing that this is how they respond to disputes?


What I said :)
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Ugh, I feel bad for backing Nogalious now.
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just confirm that the game Malasombra is still in developoment :) ñ. After fix all this matter 4mhz has confirm it. so good news! it was more a missunderstanding than anything else.
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just confirm that the game Malasombra is still in developoment :) ñ. After fix all this matter 4mhz has confirm it. so good news! it was more a missunderstanding than anything else.


Hurrah! That's fantastic news!
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