Vespertino

[XeNoMoRPH]

Vespertino - CPC - running the menu at 50 fps and ingame at 25 fps 

https://files.fm/u/n6j94qwxx#/view/bm7qj3xys

[Gryzor]

Can't wait. .

[Shaun M. Neary]

Can't wait. .

Hate to break it to you T, but that's exactly what you've been doing for the past 3 and a half years!  

[Gryzor]

Can't wait. .

Hate to break it to you T, but that's exactly what you've been doing for the past 3 and a half years!

Semantics 😁

[FruityFrank]

Vespertino - CPC - running the menu at 50 fps and ingame at 25 fps

https://files.fm/u/n6j94qwxx#/view/bm7qj3xys

woohooo lifesign!

[roudoudou]

this video show us the reason why this project was soooo delayed

it's because of that damn slow winape assembling

[TotO]

That show what we have seen into the teaser, except you don't know how to accelerate.

[roudoudou]

That show what we have seen into the teaser, except you don't know how to accelerate.

yeah BUT they also annonce something for the end of the year. It's coming

[TotO]

yeah BUT they also annonce something for the end of the year. It's coming

I have not listened. The end of the building process?

[Rhino]

Vespertino - CPC - running the menu at 50 fps and ingame at 25 fps
https://files.fm/u/n6j94qwxx#/view/bm7qj3xys

Hi, we had to shoot that video yesterday to disprove a hoax that was going around about the project being fake and the teaser being a fake edit. That's why we only show the same as in the teaser but from the development environment.
Please don't take that video as an update of the game.

[Gryzor]

I still drooled. 

[FruityFrank]

Vespertino - CPC - running the menu at 50 fps and ingame at 25 fps
https://files.fm/u/n6j94qwxx#/view/bm7qj3xys

Hi, we had to shoot that video yesterday to disprove a hoax that was going around about the project being fake and the teaser being a fake edit. That's why we only show the same as in the teaser but from the development environment.
Please don't take that video as an update of the game.

Any other update maybe? 

[vasilisk]

Vespertino - CPC - running the menu at 50 fps and ingame at 25 fps
https://files.fm/u/n6j94qwxx#/view/bm7qj3xys

Hi, we had to shoot that video yesterday to disprove a hoax that was going around about the project being fake and the teaser being a fake edit. That's why we only show the same as in the teaser but from the development environment.
Please don't take that video as an update of the game.

You dont have to prove anything. Everything you have given us up to this day, is your reputation. 

[Gryzor]

^^^what he said. I mean, even if it never comes out there's no need to discredit the effort... Not with that pedigree! 

[TotO]

Some kind of people do that to have news video to watch, nothing more.
Next, they will claim that is always the same as 3 years ago, so it is not a real game, to have more content.

[rexbeng]

At some point I had read comments at a C64 forum where, given how long it has been with no further update, people doubted the Vespertino footage shown in that old video was running on the actual hardware. I am guessing the new video showing already seen footage running on the emulator is Rhino's way to answer to such comments with proof that it is real. And this video is probably aiming at other 8bit scenes mostly, because I find it hard to believe that anyone in the CPC scene did dismiss the video as being fake. To be fair though, however masterful, the footage demos an engine for a racing game; not an actual racing game. Making a game engine is one thing; creating a game with it is several things after.

[VincentGR]

Well, two times bg was accused for faking.
Two nails in C64's coffin.
Time to bury that toaster for good 

[Carnivius]

At some point I had read comments at a C64 forum where, given how long it has been with no further update, people doubted the Vespertino footage shown in that old video was running on the actual hardware. I am guessing the new video showing already seen footage running on the emulator is Rhino's way to answer to such comments with proof that it is real.

And still certain C64 fanboys are claiming it's fake (including the one who started all the dumb comments which led to Batman Group releasing that video).  I got caught in an argument with them on Xyphoe's video's comment's section


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6X0NtKA488

[Gryzor]

Let me get the popcorn... Thanks for the link! 

[roudoudou]

Vespertino - CPC - running the menu at 50 fps and ingame at 25 fps
https://files.fm/u/n6j94qwxx#/view/bm7qj3xys

Hi, we had to shoot that video yesterday to disprove a hoax that was going around about the project being fake and the teaser being a fake edit. That's why we only show the same as in the teaser but from the development environment.
Please don't take that video as an update of the game.

there is nothing you can do against trollz
except...
posting an intro with road FX and huge rotating BG logo in the top screen

[rexbeng]

The drama is funny for a while, sure. But it quickly becomes ridiculous by both sides considering they fight over a thing that the developers (see the need to come out and) say is no way pointing at further development; all the more so at a possible release.

I really admire Rhino's work and fancy the demomaker attitude that was pervasive throughout the BF demo... but I am not so keen about the later 'socialmedia-ish' approach where you do a lot of talking, make claims and a lot of showing off without having much to show in the end. Surely this isn't targeted towards demomakers/developers, because they would take all that with a grain of salt. To me it feels as if wanting to gather at the same time a 'random crowd of supporters' as well as a 'random group of haters' and have them argue over... nothing.

If I was to make a wild guess, I'd say Rhino owns assets in a company that makes popcorn.

[Shaun M. Neary]

Unpopular opinion, and honestly, anticipating backlash and do not care but...

... playing devils advocate, we first saw videos of this in Mid 2019. And then absolutely nothing, nothing at all.

You can understand skepticism as a result of this. It's on par with the big Street Fighter debacle back in it's heyday, in fact this has gone even longer.

I completely understand that there's no pressure or obligation from anyone at BG to rush this out, and when you look at Pinball Dreams, it was so worth the wait.

But months turn into a year...
... a year turns into three and a half years. People are none the wiser.

Cynicism is going to set in, and in some cases people *may* lose interest. I'm not saying that is the case, I'm genuinely not. But its been a long wait for something where very little in term of updates has been provided to the general public...

... and that is a feast for trolls, at the end of the day.

[TotO]

But months turn into a year...
... a year turns into three and a half years. People are none the wiser.

Maybe people have already forgotten the 2 hard years of covid and the priority of real life over leisures...

[Carnivius]

I don't think it's anything like the Street Fighter 'debacle'.  That was announced but never shown any actual evidence of being made.  Plus it was a well known IP that had been receiving ports on many systems. And by actual paid developers in an actual company.  Vespertino has been shown in footage which is what got people excited (cos unlike Street Fighter, it's not a big huge well known property). Batman Group are a small group of hobbyist developers who don't get paid to work on a project. They've also proven their expertise with Amstrad CPC hardware with Pinball Dreams and the Batman Forever Demo.  They're not a bunch of unknowns who burst onto the scene with huge promises. They've got the evidence to back up their skills. 

'Losing interest' is one thing.  Openly attacking the developers and calling it fake and making personal insults towards people who call out that behaviour is bullying and harassment and absolutely not ok.  That troll 'Dany' has been tweeting constantly for the past day or so attacking Batman Group and a user called psxdev, even been posting a photo of them without their consent (which actually breaks Twitter rules as of December '21 which states that with private individuals, as opposed to public figures, a photo without consent is against the rules) and saying he smells and could use a shower.  All because Dany appears to be a C64 fanboy who got upset about the part of the old trailer video saying it was time to prove the CPC was the best 8-bit computer.  That's all it is.  That's where his whole hate campaign has started against Batman Group.  And he's proven to be the kind of idiot that we thought we'd all left behind in the late 80s with all that 8-bit fanboy crap. Other C64 fan and Youtuber OldStyleGaming also called it fake on Xyphoe's video above and when I asked him for a couple of simple answers to things so I could understand what he was saying he got super defensive, claimed I was trying to goad people in the comments and deflected at every possible way rather than simply answering why he thought a screen capture of the game was any more credible than a phone recording of the screen.  I would have thought the screen capture would still be easy to fake, perhaps easier.  And I asked him about the timestamp where he said this 'pulsate' happens that he claimed was some sort of evidence of it likely being faked.  I asked him again and again which exact moment of that video he meant but he was dismissive, patronising and insulting.

Batman Group have done nothing wrong here.  They're the target of harassment and defamation primarily by 'Dany'.  They have nothing to prove.  The trolls and disbelievers are the ones who need to show any evidence of fakery or they should just shut the hell up and show some damn respect.

[NiNxPe]

With all due respect to BG, all this noise about not much does not shock me and even seems normal to me. I'm even surprised that it didn't happen sooner.
*Warning* I'm not talking about big haters that insult.
Those have no interest.
Honestly Rhino! What could you expect after 3 years of a teaser that ends with "Coming ***SOON***". And I emphasize the word "soon".
Maybe this teaser shouldn't have come out or came out too "soon" .
In short, the whole retro scene has been waiting (too) long for this proof that you, BG/Rhino are advancing in the teaser "A Racing Simulator that will crown the CPC as the best 8-Bit platform".
OK... now what after all this time?
No wonder that after having filled the head of superlatives with technical baths of which certain unknown for the CPC of people ask to see or that they wonder if all that is true.
I think that at some point you have to assume what you claim, especially after such a long time. Even by small touches (GGP knew how to do it).
Maybe BG will (finally!) do it before the end of the year as he announced?
BG lit a fire 3 years ago, unleashing passions and even jealousies (C64). It is up to him to contain the flame without it turning into a gigantic forest fire.
The BG, in the mastery of the CPC, have nothing to prove, but if he feels uncomfortable with criticism it is also up to him to prove the opposite but in a more singly way than a video made with a low-end smartphone. What a difference in communication between the teaser and the last video!...
And if in the end Vespertino never came out, that would in no way taint the power of BG in view of what has already been produced on CPC.
To conclude the BGs:
After more than 3 years, now is the time for a big update, isn't it?