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Started by cpc4eva, 12:36, 20 January 10

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cpc4eva

Quote from: fano on 22:02, 19 January 10
CPC POWER ?

i know its off topic but is there a game base in here...??

forgive mu ignorance and lack of viewing the cpcwiki wat is cpc power ??


Gryzor

Getting off-topic here but yes, my decision has been to create a Gamebase here. The underlying system is ideally suited to something of the sort, and anyone can add comments or reviews to any game. Also, I'll add a general point-awarding add-on so the users can vote for a game's quality...

Ygdrazil

Quote from: Gryzor on 11:54, 21 January 10
Getting off-topic here but yes, my decision has been to create a Gamebase here. The underlying system is ideally suited to something of the sort, and anyone can add comments or reviews to any game. Also, I'll add a general point-awarding add-on so the users can vote for a game's quality...

Sounds like a really good idea..

By gamebase do you mean each game an individual article on the CPCWIKI, and then add a Comments plugin for the mediawiki software.

Like this plugin:
http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ArticleComments

I really think that games information should be linked into the existing Mediawiki framework

Just a thought!

/Ygdrazil

Gryzor

You nailed it, this plugin is great. I had found something similar a while ago but couldn't get it to work. I'll install this at home, hopefully tonight.

And yes, I mean each game having its individual article.

Gryzor

Quote from: Ygdrazil on 12:10, 21 January 10
Sounds like a really good idea..

By gamebase do you mean each game an individual article on the CPCWIKI, and then add a Comments plugin for the mediawiki software.

Like this plugin:
http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ArticleComments

I really think that games information should be linked into the existing Mediawiki framework

Just a thought!

/Ygdrazil

Can't get it to work for the time being... check out http://www.cpcwiki.eu/index.php/Gryzor , at the bottom: it worked in a previous version I implemented, but the comments went to the Discussion page. Tried to make it so that it posts the comments on the article page, but see what happens? It's because we're using short, Google-friendly urls, but the script follows the old, complex url form. I'll try and dig into the php code and see what happens.

On a related note, it needs to be modified to prevent spamming, too.

Cheers
Gryzor

Ygdrazil

Hmmmm..

I will have a look on some other Mediawiki powered sites, where I have seen that the commenting works.. And find out what plugin they are using.. It seems there is many different plugins that does commenting and pool stuff..

I shall return!

/Ygdrazil

Quote from: Gryzor on 19:03, 21 January 10
Can't get it to work for the time being... check out http://www.cpcwiki.eu/index.php/Gryzor , at the bottom: it worked in a previous version I implemented, but the comments went to the Discussion page. Tried to make it so that it posts the comments on the article page, but see what happens? It's because we're using short, Google-friendly urls, but the script follows the old, complex url form. I'll try and dig into the php code and see what happens.

On a related note, it needs to be modified to prevent spamming, too.

Cheers
Gryzor

Gryzor

Are there? I looked around quite a bit, but didn't find anything else apart from this one, mysteriously...

In any case, it is not critical. Besides, you need to add the < comment > tag at the end of each article in order to have the functionality. Not impossible, but we'll have to do it for each game entry. Alternatively we just go on with the Edit function...

Now, the scoring system is a bit trickier; there is a single plugin, but from what I saw it's quite complex to install. And usually complex stuff doesn't work with Mediawiki because of all the versions etc, but I may give it a try. There's also a paid plugin ($5), I'll have to email the authors...


Ygdrazil

Hi Gryzor

PM time!

/Ygdrazil

Quote from: Gryzor on 09:16, 22 January 10
Are there? I looked around quite a bit, but didn't find anything else apart from this one, mysteriously...

In any case, it is not critical. Besides, you need to add the < comment > tag at the end of each article in order to have the functionality. Not impossible, but we'll have to do it for each game entry. Alternatively we just go on with the Edit function...

Now, the scoring system is a bit trickier; there is a single plugin, but from what I saw it's quite complex to install. And usually complex stuff doesn't work with Mediawiki because of all the versions etc, but I may give it a try. There's also a paid plugin ($5), I'll have to email the authors...

cpc4eva

any chance of contacting malc of cpczone fame see how he gor the zone gamebase done ?

Ygdrazil

Problem is Malc does not respond!!

Quote from: cpc4eva on 21:08, 22 January 10
any chance of contacting malc of cpczone fame see how he gor the zone gamebase done ?

cpc4eva

Quote from: Ygdrazil on 00:27, 23 January 10
Problem is Malc does not respond!!

thats sad really sad.....

anyway he might come around ???

send him something to cheer him up ???

Gryzor

Maybe a MJ glove? Would be quite expensive...

MacDeath

#12
ahem...
A gamebase is some sort of different task than the CPCwiki.

It would need it's own portal, no ?

a proper Gamebase means 4000+ games pages...

Add the Games developpers pages, and so on...

Would it be limited to "only the very best" or have to cover absolutly all games ?

But as CPC power does actually exist and is well done, why not simply put link to it, and get it a proper english version ?

fano

Quote from: MacDeath on 21:06, 27 January 10But as CPC power does actually exist and is well done, why not simply put link to it, and get it a proper english version ?
That's why i mentionned CPC POWER.
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Gryzor

QuoteA gamebase is some sort of different task than the CPCwiki.

No it's not :) read the wiki's description. How can we let the games out of it? :) Actually, I always wanted to have a games encyclopaedia as well in here. The reason I hadn't done it, as with the forums, was that the Zone was in full swing and I didn't want to steal any of its wind.

For me, there are three aspects in a retro community: the online community (forum), a knowledge base (a wiki maybe) and the gamebase (you can figure this one out). Now, the Zone had two out of three when it was alive, and I didn't want to interfere with it. But now we have two out of three here, and I see no real reason why not go all out on the third point as well.

QuoteIt would need it's own portal, no ?

Probably so, a portal would be ideally suited to the Gamebase.

Quotea proper Gamebase means 4000+ games pages...
Add the Games developpers pages, and so on...

So? :) On one hand, it's a huge challenge. On the other hand, it's a huge opportunity. Yes, we'll probably start off with the very best. We should compile a skeleton list with all the entries and categories first, then if you clicked on a game that doesn't have anything you could start writing... The ultimate goal would be to include, indeed, all titles. Btw, where does that 4000+ come from? This must include Public Domain and whatnot... How many titles are there in the CPCGamesCD?

QuoteBut as CPC power does actually exist and is well done, why not simply put link to it, and get it a proper english version ?
Quote from: fanoThat's why i mentionned CPC POWER.

Well:
-A link is nothing. I added a link on the wiki (I can't believed we didn't have a link up to now! A shame!...). Should we link to Google and say "we have everything"? :D
-It's french. It smells of cheese and snails and frog legs. ...just kidding :D You say make an English translation for it or something. Well, that's up to them, not us, though. Still, I'll take it a step further; over time we have discussed the possibility of a merger of sorts with a games-based site. I have also exchanged emails with other members of the scene on this issue. But, technically, we can't see how it could be done... How would it be done in this case? Bear in mind that a database system like this wiki's system is ideally suited to the task. Also, CPC-Power's content is not what I have in mind. There are lots and lots and lots of entries with only basic info... so it's not like all the material is there and all that needs to be done is translate it.

y the way, I have talked with Nich and he has agreed to let us use the content of his site (CPC Games Reviews) as a starting point. We will, of course, give him and the site the fullest credit possible. So we already have some good material to build on.


By the way, I have talked with Nich and he has agreed to let us use the content of his site (CPC Games Reviews) as a starting point. We will, of course, give him and the site the fullest credit possible. So we already have some good material to build on

redbox

I can see your points but I have got used to the French websites now (even though my French is awful, but if I get stuck then I use Babel Fish) and can't see the point in re-inventing the wheel for a lot of the content.

The French sites are also usually funny (I like the introspective French humour) and keen to share knowledge.  Some of this might get lost if it's translated or replicated...?

Je salue mes amis français de CPC!


Gryzor

If you recall there was a quite long discussion on the (inter)national fragmentation of the CPC scene on the Zone. Lots of interesting opinions in there...

Well, in any case, if you see my points I'm not sure where the objection lies. A lot of material IS duplicated online anyways, this does never mean one should not try and incorporate that material in what will (hopefully) be a better solution...

MacDeath

So be it.

Just adding a game wiki-portal and start the stub of the obvious games first.


Then, copy paste some of the texts : mostly the team who made the games, usual informations and so on.
Add pictures and so on.

Put in right categories too.

The CPCwiki yet include a good amount of games indeed...it's a start.

Wanderer

Aah. From the beginning again? So disappointing. I too wish Malc at least provided some material to help the beginning of a new project. It seems though something happened to make him completely loose interest. AFAICR, in the old CPCZone forum, he had mentioned he had some serious family problems. I do hope everything is OK and at some point in the future he'll be back, active and contributing as he was till about 2 years ago.
- Wanderer -

Gryzor

Ok, let's start doing this. Anyone has a plain-text list of all the games released, that we could use to begin?

@Wanderer: I know :( I do wish we had more to work on myself. Yes, I remember his problems, nothing to laugh at really, and it surely justifies dropping anything and everything else. BUT, he could at least pass the materials on...

It gets worse, though: Nich was kind enough not to blow the whistle publicly, but I must apologize, for he never gave me permission to use the reviews themselves. For some reason I had this idea stuck in my head, but upon checking our emails I saw he only gave permission for the peripheral materials...

Concerning the Zone: what happened is another reason to make this site as complete as possible (thanks for pointing that out, Ygdrazil!). In the past we've linked to articles and pages to the Zone - and now it's all down... see where I'm going with this? And, of course, when I mentioned that the database of the wiki is ideally suited was because you can interlink all sorts of stuff and group them together, so it's not just a listing of games with reviews...

Wanderer

#20
Quote from: Gryzor on 11:42, 29 January 10
Ok, let's start doing this. Anyone has a plain-text list of all the games released, that we could use to begin?

Being a programmer myself (nothing to do with web programming though), if any data-manipulation is needed now, in the beginning of this project (converting stuff, db import/export, etc), i'd be happy to help.
- Wanderer -

Gryzor

Thanks, mate, will keep it in mind!

Btw, you think this list has it all?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Amstrad_CPC_games


Also, let's discuss on the structure of the database - what criteria we're gonna use etc... For instance, Game categories, Developers, Publisher, Country, year etc...

Wanderer

Quote from: Gryzor on 11:51, 29 January 10Btw, you think this list has it all?

Don't know but it's certainly a good place to start. Of course, there's always the T.A.C.G.R./NVG resources...
- Wanderer -

Gryzor

Yes, but TACGR or NVG don't have a complete list - I mean as a list, do they?

Wanderer

Quote from: Gryzor on 12:07, 29 January 10
Yes, but TACGR or NVG don't have a complete list - I mean as a list, do they?

TACGR has a list but it seems it's not in a single page. There's one page per letter. They could be combined though and merged with the wikipedia list.
- Wanderer -

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