A CPC E-mag

[TFM]

Nice discussion... 

The word tells it all DiscMag... it comes from floppy Disc Magazine. And if it is not on a (virtual) floppy disc then it's imho no DiscMag. So imho Hugi is no DiscMag, it's some kind of E-publication. The content doesn't really matter.
But in this "new times" and Orwells "Neusprech" people cripple all words for everything. So do what you want.

For FutureView I always have reviewed programs and example source code on Disc. I try to omit internet links as possible.

[mr_lou]

The word tells it all DiscMag... it comes from floppy Disc Magazine. And if it is not on a (virtual) floppy disc then it's imho no DiscMag. So imho Hugi is no DiscMag, it's some kind of E-publication. The content doesn't really matter.
But in this "new times" and Orwells "Neusprech" people cripple all words for everything. So do what you want.

I agree that words are very much crippled in various context in these times, but I don't agree that calling it a diskmag is the same.
It's more a case of things keeping the names they were born with, no matter how long time passes and how much the world changes. That happens a lot. And Hugi is still called a diskmag on their website.
Yes diskmags originated on floppy-disks. But they had a certain look and feel. So referring to this certain look and feel as a diskmag makes sense. We need something to distinguish these different kinds of e-publications, don't we? Calling everything an e-mag just because it's digital, doesn't tell us anything about the look and feel.
While we know instantly what the look and feel is when we say PDF or ePub or website. So if not "diskmag" then what? "E-mag with music and demo-line atmosphere"? Nah...

For those who really likes to debate, there's also the question whether it's a diskmag or discmag.
I was taught that disk is a floppy and disc is a CD. So diskmags are on floppies and discmags are on CD's.

For FutureView I always have reviewed programs and example source code on Disc. I try to omit internet links as possible.

I will have to try out FutureOS soon and see some of those FutureView issues. Mates are planning a retro-gaming-day soon, so maybe then.

[steve]

We need something to distinguish these different kinds of e-publications, don't we? Calling everything an e-mag just because it's digital, doesn't tell us anything about the look and feel.
While we know instantly what the look and feel is when we say PDF or ePub or website. So if not "diskmag" then what? "E-mag with music and demo-line atmosphere"? Nah...

For those who really likes to debate, there's also the question whether it's a diskmag or discmag.
I was taught that disk is a floppy and disc is a CD. So diskmags are on floppies and discmags are on CD's.

You begin by creating an E-mag, the publishing or reading media determines what someone might be call it, diskmag, cassettemag, cartmag, E-mag, PDF, HTML, it's all (almost) the same content, just different media.

[mr_lou]

You begin by creating an E-mag, the publishing or reading media determines what someone might be call it, diskmag, cassettemag, cartmag, E-mag, PDF, HTML, it's all (almost) the same content, just different media.

I'm sorry, but it looks like you didn't quite understand what I wrote (that you quoted). Please read again.

Let's take two definitions:
Diskmag: "Articles wrapped in a native application presented in a colourful GUI, unique navigation and background music. Originated from the demoscene in the 80ies, and was named diskmags because they existed on floppy disks".
E-mag: "Articles in electronic form. Common formats used: PDF, ePub and HTML".

To me, there's a huge difference between any ordinary e-mag and a diskmag.
Disregard the name "diskmag" for a while. That's just the name it was given back in the 80ies, and that it therefore still has, regardless of media. You can easily find other real-world examples of old names that you still use for things that has changed completely, so that the name itself tells nothing about the item, if you think about it. But you still use that name. So let's just disregard the media here, shall we?

A diskmag certainly differs from other electronic publications. Surely we can agree on that?

[steve]

If I transfer a Diskmag to cassette, is it still a diskmag?

[CraigsBar]

If I transfer a Diskmag to cassette, is it still a diskmag?

yes... Just a very slow loading one where the menu is a pain to return to.

Personally I thinks we have to separate an e-publication. A pdf type document with limited or no interaction other than turning the page. And a discmag that has a menu structure and interactive elements.

I'd prefer a discmag to an e-pub any day.

Craig

[TFM]

If I transfer a Diskmag to cassette, is it still a diskmag?

No, it's a TapeMag of course. 


If we would follow some advice given here we would still call it a stage coach while in reality it's a multidimensional time and space super spaceship.
I mean seriously, you can call everything the way you want. But a DiscMag was on disc originally and in these days everything get called discmag. Same thing with CPC .DSK files which get called ROMs on different sites of the net.

[steve]

We seem to have been sidetracked by terminology, I began this thread with the idea of creating files that would run on a CPC (or emulator) without prejudice concerning the medium the file would use for transmission.

[TFM]

Yes, we totally lost track. That's the CPC Wiki. So back to topic; do you have concrete plans?

[mr_lou]

If I transfer a Diskmag to cassette, is it still a diskmag?

Yes

We seem to have been sidetracked by terminology, I began this thread with the idea of creating files that would run on a CPC (or emulator) without prejudice concerning the medium the file would use for transmission.

That's because we began talking about CPC oriented diskmags and/or e-mags on other platforms.

[TFM]

You can't call it DiscMag if it is on Tape. It's a TapeMag then.


According to your argumentation you could move a virgin nun from a monastery to a cathouse and still call her a virgin. And everybody knows she is not any longer. 

[mr_lou]

You can't call it DiscMag if it is on Tape. It's a TapeMag then.

No, that's a diskmag on tape.
There are diskmags everywhere! Diskmags on discs! On tapes! Diskmags on the web! Diskmags on my blu-ray player!  On my phone! On my phone in form of a wav file to play for my CPC! On my HxC! In my toaster! In my dreams! Everywhere!
I suppose you'd then call it a webmag, blu-ray-mag, phone-mag, wav-file-on-phone-mag, HxC-mag.....  and you're free to do so.
FutureView would then be a FutureOS-mag, because it requires FutureOS to run. And that's not a bad label. But I'll just call it a diskmag for FutureOS.

My current project is a diskmag that is made for phones and blu-ray players and web. Platform and media is irrelevant. "Diskmag" is the name that's been given to this type of creation, and therefor the name that sticks to it today, regardless of where it's running.

[CraigsBar]

My current project is a diskmag that is made for phones and blu-ray players and web. Platform and media is irrelevant. "Diskmag" is the name that's been given to this type of creation, and therefor the name that sticks to it today, regardless of where it's running.

agreed @mr_lou, agreed. And can we end the debate here. I am looking forward to all these diskmags, especially those that run on a Cpc.

[Zoe Robinson]

In my toaster! In my dreams!

I wish to see this toaster diskmag!

[mr_lou]

I wish to see this toaster diskmag!

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[mr_lou]

In all seriousness, a lot of devices runs Java Embedded or JavaME embedded. You develop socalled Xlets for them.
BD-J (Blu-ray Disc Java) is also Xlets, so it's not entirely unlikely that my project could be ported to run on e.g. a printer-display.
I may try to hack the printer at work just to test..... 

[TFM]

Cool idea! Let us know how it works out. 


Maybe you can install JavaCPC too. 

[mr_lou]

Maybe you can install JavaCPC too. 

That's the thing about Java. They can take their "Code once, run anywhere" and stuff it up where the sun don't shine.
Xlets for set-top boxes and blu-ray, MIDlets for phones, Applets for web clients, Servlets for web servers. And then of course there's "normal" Java too.
So many different variants, and they're all different.

So JavaCPC will have to be greatly re-written in order to run on a blu-ray disc.
But it should definitely be possible, since another developer has actually written a Nintendo NES emulator for it.
Another developer (might be the same) has also developed an Apple II emulator for it. So why not an Amstrad emulator too.

But JavaCPC might not be the best choice, since it's not only Java, but also includes a lot of Windows specific tools.
Jemu would probably be a better choice.

BUT.... the speed varies a lot on the players. I think Playstation 3 is the only device that would run any of these properly. (And then of course Playstation 4 too).

That's why the platform is ideal for a discmag.  (And it would actually be on a disc!)
Nothing fancy or CPU heavy going on there.

[Bryce]

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Oooo, how many bytes do I get per slice of toast

Bryce.

[Gryzor]

Oooo, how many bytes do I get per slice of toast

Bryce.

You can cut a small part of its side and you effectively double the taste units.

[mr_lou]

I stumbled across "Low Res Mag" while browsing just now.
Low Res Issue #4 | LowRes

Anyone knew about that one?

In issue #2 there was a piece on the CPC.
Amstrad CPC | LowRes

Looks again like a nice idea that sadly gets killed by real life.

[Carnivius]

In issue #2 there was a piece on the CPC.
Amstrad CPC | LowRes

Hm, nice lil article there.