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Title: ATTN: Malc
Post by: Dr Tiger Ninestein on 00:05, 09 September 09
Hi Malc, as you probably already know, alot of people including myself really miss the cpczone site and forum.

I remember you posting somewhere that the site was up for hosting renewal in august and that it was really expensive.

Basically, I would like to offer to pay for its renewal. Im not sure if you still want to be involved in the running of the site, but I'm sure there are people here that would jump at the chance.

Cheers Tom
Title: Re: ATTN: Malc
Post by: Gryzor on 15:40, 10 September 09
Not sure Malc even visits here any more... :( Maybe try contacting him on fB...
Title: Re: ATTN: Malc
Post by: Dr Tiger Ninestein on 19:23, 29 September 09
I havent got a facebook account.

It would be appreciated if someone that has, could point him in the direction of this thread.
Title: Re: ATTN: Malc
Post by: Ygdrazil on 08:44, 30 September 09
Well, last time he logged on to this forum was 6 aug this year...

I really hope the ZONE will be resurrected some way!

/Ygdrazil

Quote from: Robo on 19:23, 29 September 09
I havent got a facebook account.

It would be appreciated if someone that has, could point him in the direction of this thread.
Title: Re: ATTN: Malc
Post by: ukmarkh on 13:39, 12 October 09
As skint as I am... I'd also like to help with renewel for the CPC ZONE hosting. I miss the forum and all the peeps that posted on there.
Title: Re: ATTN: Malc
Post by: Gryzor on 07:08, 13 October 09
Can you get i? I've been trying since yesterday, the connection times out...
Title: Re: ATTN: Malc
Post by: Nreive on 09:47, 13 October 09
I would love to see CPC Zone return, and simply can't believe that it's been allowed to slowly die off in such a manner.  However, would this be possible?  If Malc still has all the data, would he be willing to pass it on to whoever resurrects the site?  If so, wouldn't he have done so already?  Also, is there a possibility that the Zone could be run in partnership, side-by-side, with the CPC Wiki?
Title: Re: ATTN: Malc
Post by: Gryzor on 17:21, 08 November 09
All this is between the Gods and Mal, I guess...
Title: Re: ATTN: Malc
Post by: Extreme Gamer on 15:50, 22 November 09
Damn, Still no CPC Zone :(

Its a pity Malc won't just give the site away to someone that can take it forward. I dont mean just give it away to just anyone. More like people that have been around forever and have been more than active for years. Someone like Gryzor for instance. Not floating your boat or anything. But, You have a very keen interest in things CPC wise. I doubt anyone could say otherwise.

This is quite a long time now and there doesn't seem to be much happening on the front of resurrection on Malc's behalf. I will test the fates and say that this site can be considered dead and any interest of his has faded away.

The only solution I can think of is offer him cash to get hands on the data because the zone had a lot of info or just buy a domain and start a new website which will take time to become as informative. However, Not impossible. 

I doubt he will part with it for free. I'd like him to just give it back to the scene because it does affect it in quite a huge way. It was a awesome website.
Title: Re: ATTN: Malc
Post by: ukmarkh on 13:06, 23 November 09
Who needs Malc?

The new look CPCWIKI and its forum are fantastic, sure we need more game coverage, but I'm sure it won't be long in coming. The sheer wealth of information and the new look and feel imho has positioned the wiki well and truly above the zone.

The thing is, Gryzor and all those involved have helped to provide a reliable new home for a community left fractured by Malc of CPC Zone. Because of Malc's actions, I along with many others have lost communication with lots of people considered friends, it might seem strange to some, but these distant friendships have been put at risk, with little or no explanation. In fact I've been unable to contact some members, as I don't have their contact details outside of the Zone. I've written to Malc on several occasions, and even offered money to help repair, or re-home CPC Zone, but the messages remain unanswered and my friends lost.

So Gryzor and all those involved, you should feel smug and rightly proud... hooray for CPC WIKI!
 
Title: Re: ATTN: Malc
Post by: Nreive on 16:11, 23 November 09
I agree with ukmarkh. Malc has obviously moved on, so should we. The Wiki has the foundations to be a much better site and the recently new look wiki and new look forum are fantastic. It's a shame that online acquaintances and even friends have been lost because of a website's demise.
Title: Re: ATTN: Malc
Post by: Extreme Gamer on 17:00, 23 November 09
Quote from: ukmarkh on 13:06, 23 November 09
Who needs Malc?

The new look CPCWIKI and its forum are fantastic, sure we need more game coverage, but I'm sure it won't be long in coming. The sheer wealth of information and the new look and feel imho has positioned the wiki well and truly above the zone.

The thing is, Gryzor and all those involved have helped to provide a reliable new home for a community left fractured by Malc of CPC Zone. Because of Malc's actions, I along with many others have lost communication with lots of people considered friends, it might seem strange to some, but these distant friendships have been put at risk, with little or no explanation. In fact I've been unable to contact some members, as I don't have their contact details outside of the Zone. I've written to Malc on several occasions, and even offered money to help repair, or re-home CPC Zone, but the messages remain unanswered and my friends lost.

So Gryzor and all those involved, you should feel smug and rightly proud... hooray for CPC WIKI!


They should feel proud.

It has been a while since I visited here and the difference since the wiki started is astonishing.

Shame about you losing contact with people :(


Title: Re: ATTN: Malc
Post by: Gryzor on 08:00, 28 November 09
To begin with: thanks so much for your kind words :) We've been blushing...

Let me reiterate, just for the sake of history, that even if, sometime in the future, this site goes down, it won't be without notice, and the content will be made available to anyone who asks for it. Really. I don't think we'll ever encounter much greater a difficulty than we did with Kangaroo - and we survived that. So...

@Extreme Gamer: the thing is, I don't really think that it's a matter of money for Malc. He just lost interest... you might try contacting him on Facebook (he's replied the few times I did) and see what happens. It'd be a godsend if he did give us the content - though, to be honest, I don't know if it'd be possible to incorporate the content, due to technical reasons. But, at least, we could have it in a read-only mode, just to have everything online. 

As for game content... we're working on it. In the past it was a conscious decision NOT to go overboard with games content, since this would duplicate the Zone. But since it's gone for good, we're looking at things again. The most troublesome is to fine the correct model to put things in motion, so if you got any ideas do come forward! :)
Title: Re: ATTN: Malc
Post by: khisanth on 20:01, 28 November 09
The CPC wiki has really blossomed into a great site and is doing great.

I will try and contact Malc also.
Title: Re: ATTN: Malc
Post by: Gryzor on 20:16, 28 November 09
That would be good. I mean, the more people contacting him, the more possible for him to give the data...
Title: Re: ATTN: Malc
Post by: Dr Tiger Ninestein on 23:53, 28 November 09
IMO he's behaving like a complete asshole. He obviously has no interest in the zone anymore, so why not let the people that do still have an interest take over?

Title: Re: ATTN: Malc
Post by: Gryzor on 08:16, 29 November 09
Who knows... I wouldn't say he's an asshole, since in the past he's given so much in terms of service and his time - so I'd think there must be another reason...
Title: Re: ATTN: Malc
Post by: nurgle on 01:51, 01 December 09
Quote from: Gryzor on 08:00, 28 November 09
Let me reiterate, just for the sake of history, that even if, sometime in the future, this site goes down, it won't be without notice, and the content will be made available to anyone who asks for it.

To elaborate a bit more: I do regular offsite backups independent of Gryzor's and Devil Markus' stuff, complete with database dumps. So, even if Gryzor won't stay true to his words (and I have NO reason to believe he would'nt) , the content is safe. No single person can decide to "delete" it because of this additional safety net. And I won't mind having one more person on board doing independent backups. Octo?
Title: Re: ATTN: Malc
Post by: Octoate on 15:39, 01 December 09
Quote from: nurgle on 01:51, 01 December 09
Octo?
Well, I try to mirror some of the most important sites, too, but currently I haven't enough time to automate that to do it every 2 or 3 months. This "mirroring" was caused by the disappearing CPC-forever and Amstrad.dk (at least Amstrad.dk is available on archive.org) which was a big disappointment for me. Unfortunately I've never mirrored the CPC Zone :(.
Title: Re: ATTN: Malc
Post by: Gryzor on 18:54, 02 December 09
@Nurgle: thanks for pointing this out in public. The real issue, here, is that, as we said during the summer adventures, this site/system is really public, since I always felt (right from the beginning, honest!) that it belongs to the people that make it possible. I (initially) and Markus and you and whoever else are just the enablers...

Btw, I didn't miss your 'report' joke :p
Title: Re: ATTN: Malc
Post by: Extreme Gamer on 01:46, 06 December 09
Quote from: Gryzor on 08:00, 28 November 09
To begin with: thanks so much for your kind words :) We've been blushing...

Let me reiterate, just for the sake of history, that even if, sometime in the future, this site goes down, it won't be without notice, and the content will be made available to anyone who asks for it. Really. I don't think we'll ever encounter much greater a difficulty than we did with Kangaroo - and we survived that. So...

@Extreme Gamer: the thing is, I don't really think that it's a matter of money for Malc. He just lost interest... you might try contacting him on Facebook (he's replied the few times I did) and see what happens. It'd be a godsend if he did give us the content - though, to be honest, I don't know if it'd be possible to incorporate the content, due to technical reasons. But, at least, we could have it in a read-only mode, just to have everything online. 

As for game content... we're working on it. In the past it was a conscious decision NOT to go overboard with games content, since this would duplicate the Zone. But since it's gone for good, we're looking at things again. The most troublesome is to fine the correct model to put things in motion, so if you got any ideas do come forward! :)

I'd have to think about a decent model and even then it would more than likely be out of sync with this place.

I could host it and rewrite the code for it if I could get my hands on it. It wouldn't cost me anymore than a domain renewal each year which is pennies. But, I'm not willing to give him money for it.

No facebook for me. Damn, I hate places like that. I really do. If I had a giant array of nukes then you know where they would be pointed at  ;D
Title: Re: ATTN: Malc
Post by: Gryzor on 10:27, 10 December 09
I wonder if we could import the forum data to our SMF platform... now THAT would be fantastic, provided of course that Malc gave it away.

The Gamebase is a different beast altogether - and I'm not really that sure whether it would be good to resurrect it, since it would be a still(re)born project...
Title: Re: ATTN: Malc
Post by: Extreme Gamer on 02:00, 11 December 09
Quote from: Gryzor on 10:27, 10 December 09
I wonder if we could import the forum data to our SMF platform... now THAT would be fantastic, provided of course that Malc gave it away.

The Gamebase is a different beast altogether - and I'm not really that sure whether it would be good to resurrect it, since it would be a still(re)born project...

If you set up a second SMF install that was just there to be read with no login then there are Phpbb To SMF converters that would do the job nicely.

It would even mean that the lad that lost contact with other users with the shutdown would be able to get access to their email addy via yourself so they can drop them a email.

Otherwise, It would be quite the headache. Relating the user id's, post id's etc thats currently in use here and the new post id's from the old zone forum would have to be after the current id's which would populate this place with old data on top of the current posts. It doesnt sound like a wise idea that.
Title: Re: ATTN: Malc
Post by: Gryzor on 15:57, 11 December 09
Do you have any pointers to Phpbb2SMF converters?

Yes, a separate forum is what I had in mind. But, of course, if we were able to merge the two DBs it's be just fantastic - though I do realize all the problems you mentioned...

[EDIT] It's not very hopeful... http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?topic=349822.0 . Oh well, even a static Zone would be of much value...
Title: Re: ATTN: Malc
Post by: Extreme Gamer on 20:04, 11 December 09
Quote from: Gryzor on 15:57, 11 December 09
Do you have any pointers to Phpbb2SMF converters?

Yes, a separate forum is what I had in mind. But, of course, if we were able to merge the two DBs it's be just fantastic - though I do realize all the problems you mentioned...

[EDIT] It's not very hopeful... http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?topic=349822.0 . Oh well, even a static Zone would be of much value...

The converters are @ http://download.simplemachines.org/?converters;software=phpbb. You would want the last one on the page for your current smf version.

Yeah, It would have to be static and users not able to login like I said in my previous post to make it easy.

It could be converted by hand and that seems to be what the guy is getting at in that link you provided.  But, like I said, It would populate your current forum with lots of old data on top of the current data.  And not just that, until it was finished, You would have to shut up shop unless you chose to use id's quite high up in a test database with current smf data so not to mess with newer posts or fubar anything. I'm really not that keen on the idea of trying to merge when the static idea is decent enough.

I dont think its worth the effort and aggravation when you could just install Wampserver on localhost, Import the old zone php forum data in to a mysql db then do the conversion to smf there. Transfer it to a new online mysql db and a folder of its own then change the settings for the url in the db and any other settings that need changing.

Job done and a lot less headaches.

Edit: Are you bothered about populating the current forum with old data. I guess thats the first question to ask yourself. However, Wre just assuming a lot on the assumption that Malc would part with it in the first place.
Title: Re: ATTN: Malc
Post by: khisanth on 00:00, 06 January 10
Have to agree that Malc has and is behaving like an idiot.  >:(

Lets face it, he loves Michael Jackson more than anything and he doesnt give a monkeys about the CPCzone. He totally ignores anyone who offers to take it over.

So lets face it, CPCZone has gone for good.

Long live CPCWiki
Title: Re: ATTN: Malc
Post by: ukmarkh on 14:27, 06 January 10
Quote from: khisanth on 00:00, 06 January 10
Have to agree that Malc has and is behaving like an idiot.  >:(

Lets face it, he loves Michael Jackson more than anything and he doesnt give a monkeys about the CPCzone. He totally ignores anyone who offers to take it over.

So lets face it, CPCZone has gone for good.

Long live CPCWiki

I wonder if he's taking the death of MJ really hard...  :-\
Title: Re: ATTN: Malc
Post by: khisanth on 15:28, 06 January 10
someone you dont actually know. someone you have never met.
Title: Re: ATTN: Malc
Post by: Gryzor on 14:19, 08 January 10
Well, meeting someone is not a prerequisite for admiration, devotion, suffering or inspiration. Countless examples...

I won't judge him. After all, we don't know if MJ's death has anything to do with it, really! So I say we try it once more. Should we organize an electronic petition or something, maybe?
Title: Re: ATTN: Malc
Post by: Dr Tiger Ninestein on 20:50, 08 January 10
Quote from: Gryzor on 14:19, 08 January 10

Should we organize an electronic petition or something, maybe?

As much as I hope it would, I really dont think it would make any difference to what malc does.

I saw him threaten this exact situation numerous times on the zone, normally when somebody said something he didnt like.

Somebody on another forum likened malcs behaviour to that of a spoilt child who picks up his football halfway through a game and takes it home with him, just to spite the other kids. I personally think that sums malc up.
Title: Re: ATTN: Malc
Post by: khisanth on 20:58, 19 January 10
sad but true.
Title: Re: ATTN: Malc
Post by: Ritchardo on 14:01, 20 January 10
As someone who worked his ass off at various points for that site I'm a little upset at the way the user contributed content (i.e. the forum discussions, cover scans, game reviews etc.) have been discarded. 

By the end I was the only one of the 'moderators' who ever bothered turning up to try and clear the crap that was clogging up the forums in terms of spam and moderation (not that I ever had to do much in the way of modding - you were all very well behaved... mostly...).   Truth be told being a mod at the Zone became a chore and a lonely one at that - I always felt like a complete spanner whenever someone came to me via PM or in the forums and asked if I could arrange something for them and had to tell them "Sorry but I don't have the power to do that and I can't get hold of the guy who does..."

Never e-mailed me, never contacted me once to tell me that the place was going down the tubes or to thank me for trying to fight the fire with a water pistol and while I hesitate to go down the route of name-calling or questioning his motivation (at the end of the day, anything could have happened in his personal life making a retro computer site somewhat meaningless in the grand scheme of his life) I do feel that I have been mis-treated by the whole fiasco.

Truth be told, it's really eaten away at my passion for retrogaming in general and while I still potter about occassionally and even try to gee myself up by tarting up some of the pages on the Wiki, I can't sustain it.
Title: Re: ATTN: Malc
Post by: ukmarkh on 14:28, 20 January 10
Well, I'm not having a dig or anything, but I offered my services to help run the forum on several occasions, but for one reason or another, no one ever replied... at the time I just wanted to feel part of the scene, but to not even get a reply just fueled my thoughts that the guys running the show were a bunch of elitist b@stards.

It's called a community for a reason.

Sorry if it comes across as a rant, just surprised at your post. Please don't take offence, it was just my perception at that time.
Title: Re: ATTN: Malc
Post by: Ritchardo on 14:54, 20 January 10
Quote from: ukmarkh on 14:28, 20 January 10
Well, I'm not having a dig or anything, but I offered my services to help run the forum on several occasions, but for one reason or another, no one ever replied... at the time I just wanted to feel part of the scene, but to not even reply just fueled my thoughts that you guys were enclosed in an elitist bubble.

It's called a community for a reason.

Sorry if it comes across as a rant, just suprised at your post.

If I didn't reply then apologies - I remember your offer and I posted in the staff area a recommendation that we approach someone else to come onboard as a mod - you were mentioned as were another two members of this board.  Nothing ever came of it - Malc never read the post or responded to my e-mails on the subject.  Apologies that I never came back to you on it personally and to anyone else I may have unintenionally offended at any point!

If I ever came across as elitist, then again, apologies not intentional and most certainly not the case.  By the time I became a mod, things were already on the slide Thomas (Maskedman) had disappeared, Patrick (Zeropolis) had for some strange reason been restricted to modding only the GTW forum which was deader than a graveyard (there could be personal reasons for this that I'm not privvy to - which is fair enough and this is not a dig at Patrick in any way).  So that was your moderating team - a guy who'd gone AWOL, another who only worked in a very small specialist area and me.  Then you had your administrators - Malc and Rich (Zombie):  Malc as you all know was very sporadic and would have a large presence for a short period of time, each getting shorter and tetchier than before (a fine example is when you changed your username - I sent Malc a PM asking if he had done that and whether it was something I could have access to and he went off his head ranting about how it was his site and who was I to question what he did... erm...okay! To his credit, he did apologise later but there you are...)  Rich began to float away pretty early on and didn't really take much to do with the day to day running of the forums.  So I suppose if it was a bubble we were in then it's because I was on my Jack Jones most of the time and my end of the 'community' had me living in a boarded up shack at the end of a dilipidated road (I've taken this metaphor too far...)

Fair comment though and no offence taken for my part... even if you did edit it to make your post even stronger!  ;)
Title: Re: ATTN: Malc
Post by: ukmarkh on 15:07, 20 January 10
Really sorry, wish I hadn't posted now, foot in mouth problem... feel terrible.
Title: Re: ATTN: Malc
Post by: Ritchardo on 15:45, 20 January 10
Quote from: ukmarkh on 15:07, 20 January 10
Really sorry, wish I hadn't posted now, foot in mouth problem... feel terrible.

It's really not a problem and I can understand fully how observers might have looked at the place, particularly in those last few years!  I've not taken offence and I'm a lot mellower now than I was then: pressure corrupts!
Title: Re: ATTN: Malc
Post by: Nreive on 16:13, 20 January 10
What a sad, sad story of the Zone's behind the scenes shenanigans.  A great site, but with no one at the driving seat, its eventual crash was inevitable, taking all its passengers along with it.
Title: Re: ATTN: Malc
Post by: khisanth on 16:52, 20 January 10
but from that was born this site and forum which is doing really well i think.

Let it be known that there will ALWAYS be people on here wanting to be a moderator or admin :)

(including me!)

The death of CPCzone also zapped my retro feelings and drifted away, but i am glad i came back to the cpcwiki.
Title: Re: ATTN: Malc
Post by: Ygdrazil on 11:55, 21 January 10
Yeah!

It is a real pity... I would like to have CPCZONE back online, I think this i unlikely to happen though!

I just hope that all game and forum data is intact and that Malc will pass it on in the future.. If this happens I am willing to offer my PHP and MySQL skills to integrate it into the CPCWIKI!

I really have a hard time to understand why Malc is keeping it for himself, after all the data there is a great tribute to him, and as a CPC fan surely he wants to let the data live on in one form or another even though he has lost interest in running a full blow CPC site...

Why not let it live on and let it be nursed by a dedicated community like here :-)

Well .. only the future will tell!

/ygdrazil
Title: Re: ATTN: Malc
Post by: Gryzor on 12:18, 21 January 10
Ritchardo's first post on the issue is not only a very interesting read but also very correct and to the point. It's a shame that: the Zone went tits-up, since it was a wonderful place into which Malc had put many, many hours, but mainly because: the user-generated content is not free. That's the worst part, and it's why I had vowed to distribute the entire CPCWiki project to anyone interested if I withdrew from it (the offer still stands, though there are more people now abroad, so less risk :) ).

After some of you placed bets (here and through emails) that Malc would not utter a peep, I decided to send him a message. Sure enough. he didn't even bother getting back to me... so it seems he's deliberately decided to ignore all this. Shite...
Title: Re: ATTN: Malc
Post by: Zombie13 on 21:30, 23 February 10
Quote from: Ritchardo on 14:54, 20 January 10
Rich began to float away pretty early on and didn't really take much to do with the day to day running of the forums.

The forum and front-page content were the only parts of the zone that I, along with the others, could touch. Malc was definitely belted into the drivers seat at all times. I hope he considers passing on the contributions everyone made... scans, reviews etc. I wouldn't expect him to give out his code, but the content can be re-used and would be greatly appreciated.
Title: Re: ATTN: Malc
Post by: khisanth on 21:31, 23 February 10
Quote from: Zombie13 on 21:30, 23 February 10I hope he considers just passing on the contributions everyone made... scans, reviews etc. I wouldn't expect him to give out his code, but the content can be re-used and would be greatly appreciated.  :o

All the best,
Rich.

You will be lucky if he even considers it, which would be for about 3 seconds as he hits delete on the files.
Title: Re: ATTN: Malc
Post by: mr_lou on 07:35, 24 February 10
Didn't anyone ever do a wget on cpczone to download everything in a "flat" format?
Title: Re: ATTN: Malc
Post by: khisanth on 13:32, 24 February 10
You can get some stuff from the waybackmachine at http://www.archive.org/

Title: Re: ATTN: Malc
Post by: ukmarkh on 13:45, 24 February 10
We really need to bump things up a level... i'm not even sure how, or if a plan is already underway. I feel everyone in the forum should try and help in some way? If we want the CPC to still be very much a topic of conversion in the upcoming years, we need to cater for all needs... currently the forum / site doesn't really give CPC gamers the fix they need, from a techy level I think its found the right balance, but something needs to done on the games front. If gamebase or template could be implemented, and the forum members just post info or reviews on a game, this could be a good start.

What do you guys think?   
Title: Re: ATTN: Malc
Post by: ukmarkh on 13:50, 24 February 10
khisanth - that wayback site is so cool.
Title: Re: ATTN: Malc
Post by: khisanth on 13:53, 24 February 10
i agree whole heartedly, games will always garner more interest from the masses and non geeks etc.

i am happy to help in any way to get this going.
Title: Re: ATTN: Malc
Post by: redbox on 14:54, 24 February 10
Quote from: khisanth on 13:53, 24 February 10
i agree whole heartedly, games will always garner more interest from the masses and non geeks etc.

Yes, but it's the geeks who are writing the new games  :D
Title: Re: ATTN: Malc
Post by: ukmarkh on 14:35, 25 February 10
Anyone can program their own game, the difficult part is coming up with a good idea and finding the time.
Title: Re: ATTN: Malc
Post by: arnoldemu on 16:16, 25 February 10
Quote from: ukmarkh on 14:35, 25 February 10
Anyone can program their own game, the difficult part is coming up with a good idea and finding the time.
I'm not sure anyone can program a game.

The difficult part is definitely finding the time AND finishing the game.
Title: Re: ATTN: Malc
Post by: khisanth on 16:52, 25 February 10
if you cant code then you need some kind of game creator tool , then you need the time and motivation to plan it and actually do it.

original ideas and testing can all come later!

I have DarkBasic Pro sitting ready for me to use it, I have a Hydra game console ready to be programmed and messed about with The Game Creator. Closest I have come to a game was when i did a C++ course with the open uni. They get you to write a bouncing ball program. I tweaked it so the balls moved like the rocks in Asteroids and created rules for collision detection with a ship and thats as far as i got!

I get distracted by modern life. Games, TV, Blu-rays, the wife, the pub, techie projects, home brewing, gardening, work oh and more games!
Title: Re: ATTN: Malc
Post by: ukmarkh on 21:31, 25 February 10
Put it this way... if your life depended on it, you could write your own game. I've written a few games in basic over the years, but if i'm honest they were a bit pants, and time defeated me in the end. Thats not to say ive given up. Just the other day me and a guy at work were talking about writing a F1 Management game for the GBA.
Title: Re: ATTN: Malc
Post by: mr_lou on 07:51, 26 February 10
I'm very intrigued with game-development. Been so since childhood with my Amstrad CPC. Also tried doing a few games back then using BASIC. But it wasn't till 2006 I finally got started, and this was on the mobile platform (j2me).

Today I'm held back a bit by the fact that I'm only covering 1 platform. I suspect I've become too lazy to put all that work into only supporting 1 platform, and I also find it weird that there aren't more tools available here in 2010 that lets coders cover more platforms with the same code.

That's why I've become interested in frameworks such as Qt from Nokia (http://qt.nokia.com) or Bedrock from Metismo (http://www.metismo.com/bedrock.html) or Mobile Distillery (http://www.mobile-distillery.com/home.htm). But they are either expensive solutions, or require you to release the source code.
I want to be able to develop my game once, and then release it on mobile phones, Nintendo DS, GameBoy, Flash, whatever. All kinds of platforms.
But there are too many new technologies emerging all the time, which only results in developers needing to work harder in order to achieve multiple platform-coverage.

Surely there must be some kind of (freeware) game-development-framework out there which lets us develop games for multiple platforms?
Title: Re: ATTN: Malc
Post by: Bryce on 10:18, 26 February 10
Aaaarrrgghhh, I hate when people say "QT from Nokia". It was developed for many many years by dedicated programmers at Trolltech and only when it became popular did Nokia come along and buy it (and have added very little to it since then). I know it belongs to them now, but I hate to see the people who put in the real work being forgotten so quickly.

Bryce.
Title: Re: ATTN: Malc
Post by: mr_lou on 11:14, 26 February 10
Well it is from Nokia....
Didn't say it was by Nokia.
But if you wanna get it, you need to get it from Nokia.
Title: Re: ATTN: Malc
Post by: redbox on 11:22, 26 February 10
Quote from: ukmarkh on 14:35, 25 February 10
Anyone can program their own game, the difficult part is coming up with a good idea and finding the time.

That's real encouragement for all the peeps slaving away over their CPC games.  :o

Quote from: khisanth on 16:52, 25 February 10
I get distracted by modern life. Games, TV, Blu-rays, the wife, the pub, techie projects, home brewing, gardening, work oh and more games!

You should try having kids!

Quote from: mr_lou on 07:51, 26 February 10
Surely there must be some kind of (freeware) game-development-framework out there which lets us develop games for multiple platforms?

I think you've just got to bite the bullet and learn assembler, especially when developing for the CPC.
Title: Re: ATTN: Malc
Post by: khisanth on 12:21, 26 February 10
Java ?
Title: Re: ATTN: Malc
Post by: ukmarkh on 12:55, 26 February 10
Learn C, it's the best by far... no question.

As for developing for multi platforms, I think this is a bad idea... imho I'd just concentrate on getting the best out of the platform your most familiar with and then release the code for people that wish to convert it to the other respective systems.
Title: Re: ATTN: Malc
Post by: mr_lou on 13:24, 26 February 10
Quote from: khisanth on 12:21, 26 February 10
Java ?
I actually like Java. Not as much as I used to, but still.
My problem with Java is that they can take their "Code once run anywhere" statement and shove it. Java is only a syntax. Your code for an applet looks very different than the code for a mobile app. And they're both kinda the same sized platform in my opinion. Why do you need to create a Color object for an Applet, when you just set a color by 0xrrggbb in a Midlet? Stupid. The "Code once run anywhere" statement is useless when the objects and API's doesn't have the same names and methods on various platforms.

Quote from: ukmarkh on 12:55, 26 February 10
Learn C, it's the best by far... no question.

As for developing for multi platforms, I think this is a bad idea... imho I'd just concentrate on getting the best out of the platform your most familiar with and then release the code for people that wish to convert it to the other respective systems.

Why is that a bad idea? Lots of developers spend lots of time porting their app or game to other platforms. Probably starting with a Midlet, then a Blackberry version, then maybe Brew, onto iPhone and then Android and Flash. Then maybe Nintendo DS. etc etc
Why is that a bad idea?
Title: Re: ATTN: Malc
Post by: ukmarkh on 14:08, 26 February 10
IMHO Java is sh1t... horrible and slow if you wanna do anything special. And every Java application I've ever used, runs at a snails pace, games are a different matter all together.

Again just my opinion, developing for multi systems has its problems; one of them is simply because what happens is you have to write the game or app for the lowest common denominator... i.e. the least powerful system. Better to be totally focused on a single platform and get the best from it.

If the goal is to make lots of money, well that's a completely different challenge entirely.
Title: Re: ATTN: Malc
Post by: mr_lou on 15:10, 26 February 10
Quote from: ukmarkh on 14:08, 26 February 10
Again just my opinion, developing for multi systems has its problems; one of them is simply because what happens is you have to write the game or app for the lowest common denominator... i.e. the least powerful system.

This is true, but if the developer is already targeting a less powerful system, or if the game just doesn't have many requirements, wouldn't it be silly to not release for stronger platforms just because they're stronger? I think so.
Title: Re: ATTN: Malc
Post by: ukmarkh on 17:33, 26 February 10
If the developer has already commited, and it's about making money, then for sure thats right... and something like Tetris proves that not all games need massive amounts of power. Although programming for a specific platform, say for instance the DSI or iphone can still have massive rewards.
Title: Re: ATTN: Malc
Post by: mr_lou on 17:49, 26 February 10
My point exactly. Glad we agree.  :)

And btw. The reason many JavaME mobile games are crappy is precisely because the coders want/need to support older phones. This is one advantage you don't see on many other platforms: Very old stuff can still run on the brand new phones.
Title: Re: ATTN: Malc
Post by: Gryzor on 13:30, 01 March 10
So this thread has gone quite off its path :D We were discussing about the wiki, I think, and ukmarkh made some valid points... so, should we resurrect the GB project?
Title: Re: ATTN: Malc
Post by: mgman on 18:42, 24 December 10
Sorry to necro-bump this, but I need to point something out.

I can't believe I did not come across this topic LAST YEAR. The topic does bring up some interesting points and all I can say is that I'm shocked. The CPC Zone was by far the coolest reto-computer type of archiving site. What's even more is that its community was, along with WoS community, the nicest, chill and humble. Now I get to find out that behind the scenes, the main man isn't exactly as comforting as the site over which he had the most hogging control.

BTW, the Ritchardo guy; is he Richardo MK II from CPC Zone?
Title: Re: ATTN: Malc
Post by: Gryzor on 18:51, 24 December 10
Quote from: mgman on 18:42, 24 December 10
What's even more is that its community was, along with WoS community, the nicest, chill and humble.

Well, I'd like to think it's the same guys here, too. Does anyone have a different opinion? My memory fades, are there any members of the Zone that haven't made the transition?
Title: Re: ATTN: Malc
Post by: khisanth on 19:52, 24 December 10

Ah Malc, the man obsessed with Michael Jackson and who was really quite a rude,inconsiderate,selfish and self obsessed individual.

Probably a few have fallen by the wayside, maybe some dont even know about this!


I need to get back into the habit of checking in everyday like i did with the Zone. Make it my home page , that will solve it!



Title: Re: ATTN: Malc
Post by: Gryzor on 20:46, 24 December 10
Yes, it's quite possible that we've lost a few, since it took a while for the Wiki to pick up its pace... :(
Title: Re: ATTN: Malc
Post by: redbox on 21:30, 24 December 10
Interesting to see that given even more time and perspective on the matter, the sentiment is still the same about the situation.

It must be really annoying for all the people who lost so much work.  But as I said before, never leave one person in charge, and that's why the wiki is so great.
Title: Re: ATTN: Malc
Post by: mgman on 21:32, 24 December 10
Is that guy Richardo MK II?
Title: Re: ATTN: Malc
Post by: Gryzor on 21:38, 24 December 10
@redbox: yes, it is interesting indeed. Maybe because it's a close-knit community and people really do care about the input they have...?

@mgman: what guy?
Title: Re: ATTN: Malc
Post by: AMSDOS on 22:00, 24 December 10
I remember being young and foolish and got treated accordingly. There were some good folks there though and most of them are here. Haven't seen zeropolis79 though since the zone went down though noticed their a member of this forum!  ;D 
Title: Re: ATTN: Malc
Post by: Gryzor on 22:18, 24 December 10
http://cpcwiki.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=115

Unfortunately, last active in June... maybe we should email him?
Title: Re: ATTN: Malc
Post by: AMSDOS on 23:16, 24 December 10
Gryzor wrote:

Unfortunately, last active in June... maybe we should email him?

From what I recall they get really tied up with stuff and generally cannot be here. I don't think it's necessarily to email them, some forums generally let people know their still around when they send out Christmas and Birthday PMs if that's any sort of a hint!  ;)
Title: Re: ATTN: Malc
Post by: zeropolis79 on 15:02, 31 January 11
Hello all..

I was informed by someone on LemonAmgia that members of this board were looking for me (for some strange reason)...

I've been busy a lot and also the CPC scene seemed to have slowed down a lot..

Good news however, I've got a new real CPC.. It maybe a 6128 Plus but it's still a real CPC.. Cost me £2 but have no monitor or power lead so have no idea if it works.. Goign to get one of those modulators which let u run it on a TV.. Also got an Amstrad NC-200 with power lead, carry case and manual, also for £2 and that works!

Also working on my book - the original drafts of which were written 15 years ago using Protext on a 6128!

I'm also doing work on making a new website to replace the zone... I've got a good collection of screenschots and cover scans here. The webmaster of World of Spectrum has promised me access to anything he has related to the CPC..
Title: Re: ATTN: Malc
Post by: AMSDOS on 00:12, 01 February 11
That would be my fault!! :-[

Funny I thought the scene was booming!  ;D

I don't know a great deal about those Plus machines, isn't it possible to connect them to an Amiga monitor? Or perhaps it's possible to obtain a lead which allows you to connect them to an Amiga Monitor.

Book? We need details!  :-[

CPC-Power has a great deal of stuff, perhaps some arrangement could be made to expand their site to include more English. I think the scene is at it's best when websites can include the different dialects, because you're encouraging others to hop aboard!  ;D
Title: Re: ATTN: Malc
Post by: redbox on 08:55, 01 February 11
Quote from: CP/M User on 00:12, 01 February 11
CPC-Power has a great deal of stuff, perhaps some arrangement could be made to expand their site to include more English. I think the scene is at it's best when websites can include the different dialects, because you're encouraging others to hop aboard!  ;D

Ou apprendre le francais?

I noticed now when using Chrome that it offers inline to translate a page which is interesting.  Still not convinced as to using it as a main browser, but has some interesting features.  Reassuring it still gets some French wrong though and I am starting to see what is really meant (I've been reading CPCRulez too much!).
Title: Re: ATTN: Malc
Post by: EgoTrip on 12:05, 02 February 11
Quote from: redbox on 08:55, 01 February 11
Ou apprendre le francais?

I noticed now when using Chrome that it offers inline to translate a page which is interesting.  Still not convinced as to using it as a main browser, but has some interesting features.  Reassuring it still gets some French wrong though and I am starting to see what is really meant (I've been reading CPCRulez too much!).


That feature is very useful but definitely has issues, but thats what you get when using software rather than a human to translate. I only use Chrome as a main browser because Firefox refuses to play nice and I hate IE. Chrome is actually quite decent once you get the hang of it, just a shame its made by Google.
Title: Re: ATTN: Malc
Post by: AMSDOS on 01:30, 03 February 11
Translators help to some degree, though nothing beats the personal touch.
Title: Re: ATTN: Malc
Post by: Gryzor on 12:39, 03 February 11
Quote from: zeropolis79 on 15:02, 31 January 11
Hello all..

I was informed by someone on LemonAmgia that members of this board were looking for me (for some strange reason)...

I've been busy a lot and also the CPC scene seemed to have slowed down a lot..

Good news however, I've got a new real CPC.. It maybe a 6128 Plus but it's still a real CPC.. Cost me £2 but have no monitor or power lead so have no idea if it works.. Goign to get one of those modulators which let u run it on a TV.. Also got an Amstrad NC-200 with power lead, carry case and manual, also for £2 and that works!

Also working on my book - the original drafts of which were written 15 years ago using Protext on a 6128!

I'm also doing work on making a new website to replace the zone... I've got a good collection of screenschots and cover scans here. The webmaster of World of Spectrum has promised me access to anything he has related to the CPC..

Hello mate - and welcome back (I hope for good :) ).

The CPC scene slowed down? Naaah! It'd take you ages to read through all the developments and new releases!!!

Obviously (?) the book is not CPC-related, but good luck with it - please do let us know more about it!

As for the Zone^2 site - would you consider a consortium with the Wiki? :)
Title: Re: ATTN: Malc
Post by: zeropolis79 on 14:55, 03 February 11
It's good to be back.. Still not got my 6128 Plus going...

Well, one of my books is CPC related - it's a CPC version of the popular Spectrum Games Bibles and will be needing help with it, but more in a different thread..

My other book is science fiction and is entitled The Frontier of Warriors. The plot right now is top secret but it has lots of fights, explosions, alien invasions, EMP weapons..

I don't have an Amiga monitor... Only VGA compatiable PC monitors.
Title: Re: ATTN: Malc
Post by: Gryzor on 12:06, 06 February 11
So that's space opera, not sci-fi :D (excuse my nit-picking; as someone who enjoys both the great masters and pulp space opera, I find it very annoying to see P.K.Dick next to phazer fight titles)

We know about your other book - still waiting for it :) And, if you want, I'll be having some spare time I could use for editing...
Title: Re: ATTN: Malc
Post by: Ritchardo on 13:48, 16 February 11
Quote from: mgman on 21:32, 24 December 10
Is that guy Richardo MK II?

Who me?

What have I done?  Do I owe you money?

Why do you ask young (or old) sir (or madam)?

I am one in the same the mkII was only added to my CPC Zone account when the first one botched up and wouldn't let me log-in for some never fathomed reason.

I'm semi-retired from the retro community truth be told (see earlier in this thread - at least I think it's this thread that I go off on a rant... for reasons why)

Still lurk and occassionally go through phases of putting things into the wiki but I'm always kind of about if anyone needs to get hold of me for some reason!

Title: Re: ATTN: Malc
Post by: mgman on 23:21, 01 March 11
Meh, you don't owe me nothing :P

I just remember my rough entrance into the CPC Zone forums with my first moderated post being moderated by you, lol

Still, everybody was nice about it and that's what counts, right? :D
Title: Re: ATTN: Malc
Post by: ukmarkh on 01:57, 02 March 11
Quote from: Ritchardo on 13:48, 16 February 11

Who me?

What have I done?  Do I owe you money?

Why do you ask young (or old) sir (or madam)?

I am one in the same the mkII was only added to my CPC Zone account when the first one botched up and wouldn't let me log-in for some never fathomed reason.

I'm semi-retired from the retro community truth be told (see earlier in this thread - at least I think it's this thread that I go off on a rant... for reasons why)

Still lurk and occassionally go through phases of putting things into the wiki but I'm always kind of about if anyone needs to get hold of me for some reason!

I remember someone from the zone informing me that Ritchardo is actually the one and only Malc... is this true, or was he talking twaddle?
Title: Re: ATTN: Malc
Post by: Ritchardo on 11:52, 02 March 11
Quote from: mgman on 23:21, 01 March 11
Meh, you don't owe me nothing :P

I just remember my rough entrance into the CPC Zone forums with my first moderated post being moderated by you, lol

Still, everybody was nice about it and that's what counts, right? :D

No recollection of moderating your posts so couldn't have been that bad in the great scheme of things.  Never had that much moderating to do in the forums by and large - a very well behaved community in general (at that time at least... ;))

Quote from: ukmarkh on 01:57, 02 March 11

I remember someone from the zone informing me that Ritchardo is actually the one and only Malc... is this true, or was he talking twaddle?

What can I say... You got me!!

lol!

Who told you that?!

That would've been quite, quite mental!

Now as for Gryzor and Malc... well I've never seen them in the same room together...  :P

Title: Re: ATTN: Malc
Post by: Gryzor on 07:31, 03 March 11
Quote from: Ritchardo on 11:52, 02 March 11

Now as for Gryzor and Malc... well I've never seen them in the same room together...  :P



Rofl :D Good one mate :)
Title: Re: ATTN: Malc
Post by: Ygdrazil on 09:35, 03 March 11




Quote from: Ritchardo on 11:52, 02 March 11
Now as for Gryzor and Malc... well I've never seen them in the same room together...  :P

The strange case of Dr. Gryzor and Mr. Malc!  ;D
Title: Re: ATTN: Malc
Post by: arnoldemu on 11:18, 03 March 11
Quote from: Gryzor on 07:31, 03 March 11
Rofl :D Good one mate :)
I am sure Gryzor and Malc are not the same.

Compare how each interacts with the users of their respective forums (well remember for cpczone ;) ).

Title: Re: ATTN: Malc
Post by: Gryzor on 11:38, 03 March 11
Quote from: arnoldemu on 11:18, 03 March 11
I am sure Gryzor and Malc are not the same.

Compare how each interacts with the users of their respective forums (well remember for cpczone ;) ).


Um... meaning...?
Title: Re: ATTN: Malc
Post by: arnoldemu on 11:49, 03 March 11
Quote from: Gryzor on 11:38, 03 March 11
Um... meaning...?
it means you act differently, and this shows, and the result is that you can't be the same person.



Title: Re: ATTN: Malc
Post by: Gryzor on 11:51, 03 March 11
Ah yes, maybe because right now I'm more into Ethiopian Jazz (seriously; after watching Broken Flowers...) than MJ :D
Title: Re: ATTN: Malc
Post by: mgman on 05:33, 11 March 11
Quote from: Gryzor on 11:38, 03 March 11
Um... meaning...?

He means Gryzor is a video game, ported from arcades to several home computers. And Malc is a former CPC community member (and a video game name?)

:P

Note: Comparing how each one interacts with their forum users is totally valid in the above situations, but please proceed with caution.
Title: Re: ATTN: Malc
Post by: Gryzor on 19:15, 11 March 11
Nahhh I thought he meant something else. But it's clear now.
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