Why People Bother fighting yesterdays wars

[Bryce]

If you compare it to current teenage passtimes = Taking pictures of themselves and uploading them and all their personal details to an internet page that no-one reads (other than their mother), tweeting information that no-one wants to know, collecting imaginary online friends and taking their feedback seriously... What we did seems perfectly sane in comparison.

Bryce.

[ervin]

If you compare it to current teenage passtimes = Taking pictures of themselves and uploading them and all their personal details to an internet page that no-one reads (other than their mother), tweeting information that no-one wants to know, collecting imaginary online friends and taking their feedback seriously... What we did seems perfectly sane in comparison.

Bryce.

Hallelujah brother.
If I could, I'd "Like" your post 100 times.

[TFM]

Hallelujah brother.
If I could, I'd "Like" your post 100 times.

I added one like for you 

[Token]

Seriously, all the 464 bashing - I seriously thinking about leaving and going over to the Retro Gamer forums where they love Amstrads 

I think it's mainly a demoscene related thing, lot of tricks that doesn't work if "bad" CRTC, CRTC 2?  Basic 1.0 and memory.
So you can't see their work. Also you should not use an emulator. Lam0rz!
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Now it's a pitty, maybe some people will create new "rules" in the future. It is interresting to see how the 464 compete with other 8 bits. Of course, especially the C64. Not just bashing other.

[ervin]

I added one like for you 

  Thanks man.

[AMSDOS]

If you compare it to current teenage passtimes = Taking pictures of themselves and uploading them and all their personal details to an internet page that no-one reads (other than their mother), tweeting information that no-one wants to know, collecting imaginary online friends and taking their feedback seriously... What we did seems perfectly sane in comparison.

Bryce.

In addition those activities are subjected to people snooping about and if your a victim of something and on the 6 o'clock news, then your Facebook or whatever page will be on display, not to mention workplaces snooping around searching for potential employees, so if you've done something dumb on duh 'net, it may come back to haunt you. 
Even my stupid LinkedIn page thinks it would be good for me to Linkup with Rivals that I don't want to know.

[Gryzor]

If you compare it to current teenage passtimes = Taking pictures of themselves and uploading them and all their personal details to an internet page that no-one reads (other than their mother), tweeting information that no-one wants to know, collecting imaginary online friends and taking their feedback seriously... What we did seems perfectly sane in comparison.

Bryce.

Amen to that.

[TFM]

Amen? Already? Damn, missed the worship service again. 

[MacDeath]

Here the debate is more like "why is 464 so scrappy and 6128 so awesome !!!


And 6128Plus being even more awesome (i mean an Amstrad that can't read tapes can't be really bad...).


664 being mostly cute, rare and so expensive that it is like the 464PLUS... its place is in museums or for market speculation




Still having only 6128s, I consider myself so much better than so many poor 64ers.
And don't start me on monocolour monitors !!!

[ralferoo]

Here the debate is more like "why is 464 so scrappy and 6128 so awesome !!!

You got that the wrong way round!

BTW, I actually have more 6128s than 464s. The 464s are still best!

[MacDeath]

The 464s are still best!

Damn you pervert Brits and you tape fetishism... and shrinken RAM.

despite you created CPC you also killed it!!!

[ralferoo]

For me, the 464 is just colourful and exudes character. The 6128 keyboard is just a white rectangle atop a black rectangle, pretty much devoid of features. And the disc drive isn't even flush with the rest of the machine, whereas the 464's tape deck flows seamlessly into the rest of the machine. There's no contest if you're thinking about style! And who can't think of Alan Sugar without thinking of style?

Oh, and besides it gets old pretty quickly having to type |TAPE before you do anything useful with the machine... 

[MacDeath]

pretty much devoid of features.

If superior RAM, (sometimes) superior CRTCs and superior mass data storage are not features, then what are those ?

also, ergonomic compact design, use less space on the table.

[Token]

use less space on the table.

That's not untrue   


Matra Alice takes less place, and it rul... huh ;P


The 464 is the original CPC, a crazy cool looking. Feel built like a tank.
It is like the breadbox version of the Commodore 64.


The 6128 keyboard is much cheaper    it's not only the colors...
I think that the 464 keyboard is more ergonomic. Like an Amiga 500 or many other.




The 6128 have many CRTC, 2 as well, so not everything works on a 6128 yet. There's not really a superior CRTC then:
Nowdays it's better to be compatible with more 6128, mainly avoid CRTC 2. Which is somehow... still there.

[TFM]

Nah. 6128 has mostly CRTC 0 (Yay!) and 1 (fair too). At least in Germany.

[Token]

I didn't have that meaning.
I know for the CRTC's...

[ralferoo]

If superior RAM, (sometimes) superior CRTCs and superior mass data storage are not features, then what are those ?

You quoted out of context which meant you missed my actual point:

The 6128 keyboard is just a white rectangle atop a black rectangle, pretty much devoid of features.

I wasn't talking about the extra RAM, etc, I was talking about how the keyboard looks. The 6128 keyboard is really uninspiring compared to the 464 and as I said originally, the keyboard is pretty devoid of features - it's just a rectangular block of off-white which is a definite step back from the 464.

Extra RAM, sure that's good, CRTCs, well personally I've made sure I've collected one of each CRTC type so I can ensure my code works on them all not just one (I've still never managed to find a cost-down pre-ASIC though), floppy I'm less bothered by (mostly because all but one of my 6128s has a broken drive and I don't really use the one that does work as my development work flow is easier with a tape).

[Bryce]

If superior RAM, (sometimes) superior CRTCs and superior mass data storage are not features, then what are those ?

also, ergonomic compact design, use less space on the table.

If space on the table is such an important criteria for you, that means that in your eyes the ZX Spectrum 48K is in some ways better than the 6128 and the Spectrum +3 just blows the 6128 out of the water?

I mainly use my 6128 or 6128+, just because it's less messy to connect my HxC and use disks, but for looks and style, the 464 wins every time.

Bryce.

[ralferoo]

Also, I should have added that my original comment about the 464 being best was meant as a humourous attempt to make people smile given the subject, not to actually start an argument as to which one's best! 

[Token]

6128, use less space on the table™, and more food and drink on the table

[beaker]

Damn you pervert Brits and you tape fetishism... and shrinken RAM.

My good sir, I'll have you know I spent many an hour last night enjoying waiting for the tape games I bought from Bluesbrothers to load on various systems. I could have loaded the games instantly on my BBC Micro from my TurboMMC or HxC attached to the machine but NO!, I wanted to feel the apprehension of watching the counter slowly count down, to feel that knot in your stomach knowing you could at any moment have wasted the last 10 minutes, hoping it wouldn't get a read error! That my good sir adds to the drama of these old machines and why the unexpanded 464 is the best of the Amstrads 

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[MacDeath]

Spectrum +3 just blows the 6128 out of the water?

but those huge colour clashes also take a lot of space on my retina...
Numerical pad ?
CPC6128 is perfect ratio in space and features and price...

yeah could have had a few coloured keys...

the PLUS keyboard do have some keys with slightly different shade (of grey/white).

[Gryzor]

I think that the 464 keyboard is more ergonomic. Like an Amiga 500 or many other.

Maybe you wanted to type "6128" instead of "464"? The tall, vertical setup of the 464 makes it a perfect wrist-destroyer...

[Token]

Maybe you wanted to type "6128" instead of "464"? The tall, vertical setup of the 464 makes it a perfect wrist-destroyer...

Yes, but a lot less tall than the C64 breadbin :]
The 6128 is really not "your modern flat keyboard". Just put something under your wrist if you have problem.
For the rest, to me the 464 is a faster, smoother and easier keyboard.


And then again, ZX spectrum is there with the vertical setup

[beaker]

I would have to say I am impressed by the Tatung Einstein TC-01 keyboard. It's at a nice height for typing in the recommended way, the angle of the keyboard is very nice and the keys are very responsive.... 

Here's another photo of it