Started by Sykobee (Briggsy), 00:39, 05 November 14
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Quote from: TFM on 03:45, 10 November 14The App is not dump, in contrast, it knows exactly in which environment it is running and it has full interface power / control over the hardware. Anything else makes it slower.
Quote from: TFM on 03:51, 10 November 14I don't refuse GUIs in general. But I think that a combination between GUI and text section is the best solution. Sadly people don't know it, and so it scares them off. Eventually... The command line may be the best and efficient way of UI anyway because people know it.A WIMP looks nice, but that's about it. Efficient work with mousing around? No, the keyboard will be always more quick. What I don't like are windows, they either cut down the usable screen area or can not be displayed in full. Further the bring chaos to the surface, look at recent published GUI pictures with windows. That's for my poor eyesight just chaos, I don't see whats going on. Why not using a status line which allows to switch between different full screens, that would be nice.
Quote from: Prodatron on 10:42, 10 November 14This is, what I said before: If a program is written for a special platform and wants to be as fast as possible, squeezing out the last CPU cycle, it will not use an OS at all.
Quote from: Ygdrazil on 13:57, 10 November 14I don't get it TFM!!!
Quote from: Trebmint on 14:56, 09 November 14Oh, an ugly command line OS... that's something from the 80's that IMHO should stay there. I must be missing something since everyone seems excited?
Quote from: Trebmint on 11:37, 10 November 14Hmmm, perhaps you are playing devils advocate, but I'm one of the 99.99% of the world that uses Windows, OS10, Android, IOS, etc. I don't remember the public uproar when the last release of the Samsung CP/M 3.2 phone was released. Is a keyboard quicker? Well not if you don't know what the commands for an app are. The benefits of a GUI are a consistancy of use that I know I can click on an icon and the layout is mostly the same, and I can drag and drop file around. 99.9% of the world agrees, and if that makes me superficial then that's good as I'm not one of the techie paranoid luddites who think Microsoft, Google and Apple are compiling negative documents about them. I also said a 100% command line, and you changed that to say that I was knocking anything with a command line. Virtually every modern OS has a command line still, they are useful, but people rarely use them. My issue with Fuzix is that it might be the most capable system, but its worthless as its not user friendly... So fine i'm superficial just like every other sane person
Quote from: Bryce on 22:15, 10 November 14Not really my subject, but I don't think you can say "best OS", because it depends entirely on what system and use the OS was optomised for. I use SuSE Linux with KDE on my main PC, it's "the best" for what I want. Fast, user-friendly and feature loaded with good multitasking. My Laptop has Windows 7, because most of my hardware / firmware programs are Windows only. I also have a 486 laptop with floppy drive and Win98 installed. It's "the best" for doing transfers to 8-bit disks, although it's neither the fastest, prettiest or feature filled compared to the others.Bryce.
Quote from: TFM on 21:50, 10 November 14That's a philosophic question. But if you call it an program it will need an OS at least to get loaded and started, also for data-storage I/O (floppy disc) and probably keyboard scanning and usage of UI or at least printing characters on the screen. It's not just black or white.
Quote from: Trebmint on 23:59, 10 November 14Its not even written in Z80, doesnt run on the CPC, but is running on a machine without any users. The NC has no facebook group, No live websites, No forums. Why are people even wanting this?
Quote from: TFM on 19:35, 11 November 14Has the Speccy 128 a 32 KB banking? Someone an idea how banking works with it?
QuoteCan a hard disk drive be connected to the NC?No! The Ranger disk service is only for the NC200 which is the one with a floppy drive. I hadn't spoken to Ranger when the NC100 was designed so there's definitely none of their code in that machine. However, the first time I spoke to Ranger was not for the NC200 but for the NC150 (that was only sold in French and Italian versions). I thought that the serial terminal in the NC100 was a bit naff and I'd heard of Ranger because they specialised in software for the Sinclair Z88 machine so I asked them to do a "tarted up" terminal program for the NC150. At that time they "hid" some extra code in the terminal which then let the machine be connected to their Z88 external floppy drive. Later on, when I came to do the NC200 I naturally asked them to do the disk software because they already had MS-DOS routines in Z80 code that they had done for their own Ranger disk. So the bottom line is that if you have an NC200 you already have a disk and built in Ranger disk routines, if you have an NC150 then the only bit of Ranger code is the terminal but it contains a hidden "hook" which allows the Ranger external disk to be connected to the machine and if you have an NC100 there is no Ranger code in it at all.Cliff Lawson (Amstrad NC project manager) email@example.com
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