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Title: Raspberry Pi - Trying to claim PCW's crown!
Post by: chinnyhill10 on 02:59, 18 February 15
Anyone see the tweets and subsequent coverage from Raspberry Pi today claiming that as they have passed 5 million sales they are now the UK's top selling computer ever?


Might come as a surprise to PCW owners since the PCW sold 8 million! Totally awful that no 'journalists' actually bothered to fact check!


Suggest PCW fans get out there and start spreading the word. Why should the PCW be forgotten just because it isn't glamorous!
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi - Trying to claim PCW's crown!
Post by: MacDeath on 10:08, 18 February 15
Also speccy sold quite a lot, but not sure clones or different models in the same range count as different computers.


Oh, Amstrad also sold a lot of PCs... :P
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi - Trying to claim PCW's crown!
Post by: FloppySoftware on 10:35, 18 February 15
Quote from: chinnyhill10 on 02:59, 18 February 15
Why should the PCW be forgotten just because it isn't glamorous!
I totally disagree with this.
My PCW is very, very, very glamorous.

8)
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi - Trying to claim PCW's crown!
Post by: Munchausen on 12:37, 18 February 15
Quote from: chinnyhill10 on 02:59, 18 February 15
Anyone see the tweets and subsequent coverage from Raspberry Pi today claiming that as they have passed 5 million sales they are now the UK's top selling computer ever?


Might come as a surprise to PCW owners since the PCW sold 8 million! Totally appealing that no 'journalists' actually bothered to fact check!


Suggest PCW fans get out there and start spreading the word. Why should the PCW be forgotten just because it isn't glamorous!

I don't use twitter, but someone definitely needs to let them know this is not true!
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi - Trying to claim PCW's crown!
Post by: CraigsBar on 13:17, 18 February 15
Quote from: chinnyhill10 on 02:59, 18 February 15
Anyone see the tweets and subsequent coverage from Raspberry Pi today claiming that as they have passed 5 million sales they are now the UK's top selling computer ever?


Might come as a surprise to PCW owners since the PCW sold 8 million! Totally appealing that no 'journalists' actually bothered to fact check!


Suggest PCW fans get out there and start spreading the word. Why should the PCW be forgotten just because it isn't glamorous!
surely it depends on what you count as a UK computer. If they mean the top selling computer made in the UK, they are probably correct. The pi is after all manufactured in Wales is it not, and I am pretty sure the pcw was made in Korea along with the CPC.
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi - Trying to claim PCW's crown!
Post by: chinnyhill10 on 13:42, 18 February 15
Quote from: CraigsBar on 13:17, 18 February 15
surely it depends on what you count as a UK computer. If they mean the top selling computer made in the UK, they are probably correct. The pi is after all manufactured in Wales is it not, and I am pretty sure the pcw was made in Korea along with the CPC.





No. They were quoting the Spectrums 5 million (an iffy figure anyway as it always used to be quoted as 7 million until someone edited Wikipedia) and as we all know Spectrums were made all over the place. Portugal, Korea and the UK.


And where are all those components in the Pi made? UK? Nope.


They are also now claiming they are the top selling UK computer manufacturer of all time. Nice try. 12 million PC's, 8 million PCW's, 3 million CPC's and throw in some Species and you get to a conservative 25 million for Amstrad.
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi - Trying to claim PCW's crown!
Post by: CraigsBar on 13:45, 18 February 15
OK, fairy nuff. I'll stop playing devils advocate ;)
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi - Trying to claim PCW's crown!
Post by: yn0t.zer0 on 23:50, 18 February 15


Raspberry Pi, meet face: You're probably NOT Blighty's biggest PC maker! • The (http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/02/18/raspberry_pi_5_million_sold/)
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi - Trying to claim PCW's crown!
Post by: Bryce on 00:23, 19 February 15
And an Amstrad won't crash if you take a photo of it :)

Bryce.
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi - Trying to claim PCW's crown!
Post by: pelrun on 05:06, 19 February 15
To be fair you wouldn't be running the Amstrad at all as a bare PCB...
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi - Trying to claim PCW's crown!
Post by: Gryzor on 09:35, 19 February 15
They actually replied to me with a tweet pointing to this: Five million sold! | Raspberry Pi (http://www.raspberrypi.org/five-million-sold/) which essentially says that the Pi is the *fastest* selling Uk computer, not the best-selling or that the Pi foundation is the Uk's biggest computer manufacturer.

Meanwhile, they haven't corrected their own shit on their timeline, and they keep retweeting idiotic articles about the first claim.

Incidentally, good for them, of course (I've got 4 Pi's lying around in various roles) but I don't think it deserves special merit comparing yourself to things 30 years ago... The claim is a bit lacking any real importance. Can you really compare a market in its infancy with computers costing many times as much with today's market where the Pi is seen as a gadget?
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi - Trying to claim PCW's crown!
Post by: Bryce on 10:55, 19 February 15
Quote from: pelrun on 05:06, 19 February 15
To be fair you wouldn't be running the Amstrad at all as a bare PCB...

You've never seen my repair desk :) There's two permanently bare CPC PCBs there for testing.
Even bare, there's nothing photo-sensitive on the CPC PCB.

Bryce.
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi - Trying to claim PCW's crown!
Post by: TFM on 23:45, 19 February 15
Sorry, but a device sold as computer IMHO must have everything to work. (Like my CBS Colecovison or my CPC). The Raspberry Pi is a pure PCB without a casing. That has just a different way of "feel".  :)


Title: Re: Raspberry Pi - Trying to claim PCW's crown!
Post by: Gryzor on 09:29, 20 February 15
Note really, because lots of early computers came rather naked, too, and nobody doubted they were computers. But I "feel" the same with you - as I said, you just can't compare a fully fledged computer with a nice gadget.
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi - Trying to claim PCW's crown!
Post by: trabitboy on 15:38, 20 February 15
Only part of them is manufactured in the UK if I recall correctly.  Mine is definitely made in China.
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi - Trying to claim PCW's crown!
Post by: chinnyhill10 on 16:10, 20 February 15
Quote from: Gryzor on 09:35, 19 February 15
They actually replied to me with a tweet pointing to this: Five million sold! | Raspberry Pi (http://www.raspberrypi.org/five-million-sold/) which essentially says that the Pi is the *fastest* selling Uk computer, not the best-selling or that the Pi foundation is the Uk's biggest computer manufacturer.

Meanwhile, they haven't corrected their own shit on their timeline, and they keep retweeting idiotic articles about the first claim.

Incidentally, good for them, of course (I've got 4 Pi's lying around in various roles) but I don't think it deserves special merit comparing yourself to things 30 years ago... The claim is a bit lacking any real importance. Can you really compare a market in its infancy with computers costing many times as much with today's market where the Pi is seen as a gadget?


They've been forced to back track.


And remember the Pi costs under 30 quid. At launch the PCW cost the equivalent today of £1120. Even by 1992 the base PCW cost the equivalent of £750 today. And that's not even taking into account VAT rises,.


8 million computers at that retail price is impressive. That 5 million at 30 quid doesn't sound so impressive now does it?
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi - Trying to claim PCW's crown!
Post by: TFM on 18:54, 20 February 15
Quote from: Gryzor on 09:29, 20 February 15
Note really, because lots of early computers came rather naked, too, and nobody doubted they were computers. But I "feel" the same with you - as I said, you just can't compare a fully fledged computer with a nice gadget.


Yes, right. And as you pointed out before the computer market was very different 30 years ago. It would be like comparing to buy a motorcycle now or in 1950 (hoo, hoo).  ;)
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