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Title: CPC Club (CPC Whatsapp Group)
Post by: DoctorCPC on 23:46, 06 June 21
I created a CPC whatsapp group. currently only logiker and I are in the group. If anyone wants to have a CPC chat, please write via private message. I will send whatsapp link. so we can always have the conversation about CPC between us.
note: if you want to join whatsapp group, you can write me direct. my number: +905554983655
and i can add you on cpc whatsapp group.
Title: Re: CPC Club (CPC Whatsapp Group)
Post by: Gryzor on 09:48, 07 June 21
Whatsapp? People still use it after all the privacy backlash? What happened to say, Signal? :)
Title: Re: CPC Club (CPC Whatsapp Group)
Post by: DoctorCPC on 08:51, 08 June 21
I created a whatsapp group because most people still use whatsapp. most of my friends do not have the signal application installed. I thought it would at least be a start.
Title: Re: CPC Club (CPC Whatsapp Group)
Post by: Shaun M. Neary on 11:11, 08 June 21
Whatsapp? People still use it after all the privacy backlash? What happened to say, Signal? :)


Weren't the EU exempt from that snoop update because it violates GDPR law?
Title: Re: CPC Club (CPC Whatsapp Group)
Post by: Gryzor on 11:14, 08 June 21
Really not sure. But there are ways around GDPR if you cloak your snooping under legitimate reasons and get consent... anyone read the whole T&Cs recently? :D
Title: Re: CPC Club (CPC Whatsapp Group)
Post by: Shaun M. Neary on 11:26, 08 June 21
Really not sure. But there are ways around GDPR if you cloak your snooping under legitimate reasons and get consent... anyone read the whole T&Cs recently? :D


Facebook would be really stupid to even try that with Whatsapp after the shit they landed themselves in with EU law a few years back.
Title: Re: CPC Club (CPC Whatsapp Group)
Post by: Gryzor on 11:28, 08 June 21
Oh yes, I'm sure FB has been chastened and won't be a bad boy any more :D
Title: Re: CPC Club (CPC Whatsapp Group)
Post by: Shaun M. Neary on 11:37, 08 June 21
Oh yes, I'm sure FB has been chastened and won't be a bad boy any more :D


Could say the same about almost every internet company to be fair.  :laugh:
Title: Re: CPC Club (CPC Whatsapp Group)
Post by: trocoloco on 15:48, 08 June 21
I created a whatsapp group because most people still use whatsapp. most of my friends do not have the signal application installed. I thought it would at least be a start.

Why not use Telegram for an Amstrad group instead?
Title: Re: CPC Club (CPC Whatsapp Group)
Post by: Gryzor on 15:53, 08 June 21
Here's a crazy idea! What about IRC? Or, or - just hear me out on this, a forum? :D
Title: Re: CPC Club (CPC Whatsapp Group)
Post by: eto on 15:55, 08 June 21
Here's a crazy idea! What about IRC? Or, or - just hear me out on this, a forum? :D

Telnet chat server? Then even a real CPC could participate ;-)
Title: Re: CPC Club (CPC Whatsapp Group)
Post by: Gryzor on 15:57, 08 June 21
This gave me the idea of a theme-able chat app - I'd love if it I could have an app on my mobile I could use to chat, which would be themed after a CPC monitor.
Title: Re: CPC Club (CPC Whatsapp Group)
Post by: eto on 15:59, 08 June 21
And now seriously: I will not join a Whatsapp group or similar as I prefer the asynchronous communication of the Forum or Facebook groups. Whatsapp is not good for asynchronous communication. If you don't participate immediately, it's almost impossible to understand the context, e.g. after a few hours. Even worse: topics are not organised.

A chat is great for (near) real time collaboration, not so much for experience exchange.
Title: Re: CPC Club (CPC Whatsapp Group)
Post by: Gryzor on 16:10, 08 June 21
That's why I don't get why people use the big social media for such discussions. I don't see what a FB group -for instance- or a chat has to add in terms of features, while I can see all those drawbacks...

True, sometimes it's fun if you've got the time, but real-time has very limited use I think...
Title: Re: CPC Club (CPC Whatsapp Group)
Post by: eto on 16:21, 08 June 21
a FB group

FB has one BIG advantage over the forum: the quantity. The forum probably is joined by the core of the community and in terms of quality, it leaves FB easily behind. But the many people that are just loosely following what is going on, are more likely to be found on Facebook. And with them, many announcements for stuff that is going on.

Title: Re: CPC Club (CPC Whatsapp Group)
Post by: Gryzor on 16:27, 08 June 21
Oh I know, don't get me wrong; you're casually browsing Facebook after the kids have fallen asleep or at the dentist's and someone tags you to join a relevant group, sweet, this should be fun! I'm not arguing with that. But there are lots of people who are really and deeply active and involved with the scene who prefer those media... that's what I don't get, but oh well I guess I'm growing old.
Title: Re: CPC Club (CPC Whatsapp Group)
Post by: Devlin on 18:17, 08 June 21
I like forums, at least in some cases the site(s) get archived by IA or whatever, and you get a relatively useful repository of information.


I like "live" media platforms like Discord too, because you can just spark up a conversation with whoever's there.


What I do not like (sorry) is whatsapp. it's reserved for family and friends(i've met irl and know well) because my mobile number I like to keep as private as reasonably possible
Title: Re: CPC Club (CPC Whatsapp Group)
Post by: mr_lou on 18:41, 08 June 21
I can't really see any big difference between a Discord server and a forum like this one.

I know Discord is supposed to be a chat, but let's be honest. We know that the only ones who contribute to any conversation are the ones who are currently there - but that's just like it is on the forum too, isn't it? You gotta be online. When you get online both platforms lets you contribute to the ongoing conversation/thread. Just scroll up/down to see what other users wrote.
On both platforms you can choose to be notified when someone writes anything. Either with a popup or an e-mail.
You can tag specific users for them to be notified - also on both platforms.

The only real difference, as far as I can see, is that conversations aren't indexed into threads like on a forum. But Discord servers are always split into several channels for different categories of chat, so that's kinda the same.

But this is coming from a guy who still doesn't understand why everyone turned their back to MMS in favor of other services who offered the exact same feature, as if there wasn't already an option to send pictures to each other....
Title: Re: CPC Club (CPC Whatsapp Group)
Post by: trocoloco on 09:06, 09 June 21
why not use also other ways of communicating? free choice and nobody forces us to use them, the more variety the better.

There is a Spanish Telegram group CPC related with over 300+ people called Amstrad Power.  I know... crazy stuff when you have a forum right?  ;D
Title: Re: CPC Club (CPC Whatsapp Group)
Post by: Shaun M. Neary on 10:37, 09 June 21
But this is coming from a guy who still doesn't understand why everyone turned their back to MMS in favor of other services who offered the exact same feature, as if there wasn't already an option to send pictures to each other....


Mainly cost.
To send a photo via MMS on a regular basis, it will show up on your phone bill at the end of the month (or eats up your prepaid credit). Whereas using the likes of Whatsapp, FB messenger etc it just comes out of your data allowance.


It really is that simple.
Title: Re: CPC Club (CPC Whatsapp Group)
Post by: mr_lou on 10:48, 09 June 21
Well it may vary from country to country of course, but here in Denmark everyone just pays a quarterly fee, and then has unlimited messages - including MMS.
At least it's still possible to send MMS. It's still the only method I use for sending pictures.
Title: Re: CPC Club (CPC Whatsapp Group)
Post by: Gryzor on 10:52, 09 June 21
I can't really see any big difference between a Discord server and a forum like this one.

I know Discord is supposed to be a chat,

You answered yourself - it *is* a chat. The fact that the same people are on both media doesn't make them the same. Saying "you gotta be online" to equate synchronous and asynchronous communication and participation is... pretty weak. I mean, nobody even positions chat systems like Discord as a forum equivalent, I don't know how you do it :D You can also search wikipedia, and you can also participate and contribute there, does that make Discord or a forum the equivalent of Wikipedia? Just because you can scroll? Not to mention the channels - at the very best channels would be the equivalent of subfora, not discussions, but for the love of god you can't, again, equate the two!
Title: Re: CPC Club (CPC Whatsapp Group)
Post by: mr_lou on 10:56, 09 June 21
I mean, nobody even positions chat systems like Discord as a forum equivalent, I don't know how you do it :D
So what are we doing right now, if not chatting?Replying to each other here, minutes apart? What's that called?
For me, that's a chat no different from those I have on Discord. Just on another platform. Otherwise no difference whatsoever.
Title: Re: CPC Club (CPC Whatsapp Group)
Post by: Gryzor on 11:00, 09 June 21
Oh yes, minutes apart.

"Quote from: mr_lou on Yesterday at 18:41:04"

I got a reply notification in another thread, another member quoted a message of mine from 2016 but sure, let's say that's real-time chatting!
Title: Re: CPC Club (CPC Whatsapp Group)
Post by: mr_lou on 11:04, 09 June 21
That can happen on Discord too. Still a chat.
Title: Re: CPC Club (CPC Whatsapp Group)
Post by: Shaun M. Neary on 11:11, 09 June 21
Well it may vary from country to country of course, but here in Denmark everyone just pays a quarterly fee, and then has unlimited messages - including MMS.
At least it's still possible to send MMS. It's still the only method I use for sending pictures.


Problem is depending on the country or network, the person on the other side might get charged for receiving them.
Between blu-ray and MMS, you really are stuck in a 2006 time warp.  :laugh: :laugh:
Title: Re: CPC Club (CPC Whatsapp Group)
Post by: eto on 11:23, 09 June 21
the person on the other side might get charged for receiving them

In Germany MMS is dead. Receiving them is free but sending them costs 30-39Cents per MMS. Or in other words: For the equivalent of 13-15 MMS (around 4MB) I can also get 250-500x data volume which can be used for lots of other things too.
Title: Re: CPC Club (CPC Whatsapp Group)
Post by: mr_lou on 11:27, 09 June 21
Between blu-ray and MMS, you really are stuck in a 2006 time warp.  :laugh: :laugh:

You say that as if it's a bad thing.. on a forum chat about a computer from the 80s.... 
Title: Re: CPC Club (CPC Whatsapp Group)
Post by: Shaun M. Neary on 11:47, 09 June 21
In Germany MMS is dead. Receiving them is free but sending them costs 30-39Cents per MMS. Or in other words: For the equivalent of 13-15 MMS (around 4MB) I can also get 250-500x data volume which can be used for lots of other things too.


Same here in Ireland. MMS was always overly expensive which is why it died in the water the second Skype, Messenger and other free apps that relied on data. But apparently mr_lou seems to think it's okay to pay over the odds for certain services. ;)

You say that as if it's a bad thing.. on a forum chat about a computer from the 80s....



There's a world of difference between enjoying games from childhood and flat out refusing to evolve out of stubbornness.  ;)
Title: Re: CPC Club (CPC Whatsapp Group)
Post by: mr_lou on 11:54, 09 June 21
But apparently mr_lou seems to think it's okay to pay over the odds for certain services. ;)

There's a world of difference between enjoying games from childhood and flat out refusing to evolve out of stubbornness.  ;)

I'm wondering. Is it possible to post anything here on CPCwiki any longer, without being insulted by you? Last time you compared my life to that of living in the Gaza Strip, because I'm not up when Xyphoe streams. Always personal attacks.

It has come to the point where I'm hesitant to reply to anything here, because I know I'll be met with these kind of replies. This time too. And as usual, here we are. Then I much prefer Discord alternatives.

So @Gryzor (https://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=1), either these personal attacks will stop - today. Or I'm out.
Title: Re: CPC Club (CPC Whatsapp Group)
Post by: Gryzor on 12:14, 09 June 21
Missed the Gaza post, doesn't sound too sensible or sensitive. But this comment here, not sure it's an insult?
Title: Re: CPC Club (CPC Whatsapp Group)
Post by: Otto on 12:47, 09 June 21
I'm wondering. Is it possible to post anything here on CPCwiki any longer, without being insulted by you?
Unfortunately no, and that's what ignore lists are for. Or moderators.
Title: Re: CPC Club (CPC Whatsapp Group)
Post by: Shaun M. Neary on 13:19, 09 June 21
I'm wondering. Is it possible to post anything here on CPCwiki any longer, without being insulted by you? Last time you compared my life to that of living in the Gaza Strip, because I'm not up when Xyphoe streams. Always personal attacks.

It has come to the point where I'm hesitant to reply to anything here, because I know I'll be met with these kind of replies. This time too. And as usual, here we are. Then I much prefer Discord alternatives.

So @Gryzor (https://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=1), either these personal attacks will stop - today. Or I'm out.


Seriously?!

The Gaza thing was simply because he starts at 9pm/10pm. We had that conversation over a year ago and you're STILL hanging on to that? I thought we were cool to be honest.
It was intended as a joke. If you're going to take it personal, then maybe the internet is not for you at all.

My comment on the MMS wasn't personal. I stated a fact. MMS is dead technology.

- You asked a question that you didn't understand why people dumped MMS in favour for FB messenger, discord, Whatsapp etc.
- I explained it, mostly cost
- You didn't like the answer

So yeah, that's a personal attack on you. Okaaaaay.
Title: Re: CPC Club (CPC Whatsapp Group)
Post by: Shaun M. Neary on 13:22, 09 June 21
Missed the Gaza post, doesn't sound too sensible or sensitive. But this comment here, not sure it's an insult?


The Gaza post was a joke because apparently for Mr Lou 9pm/10pm is too late for him and it was implying that he had a curfew and was locked down.
Of course, this was long before most of the world actually WAS locked down!  :laugh:
Title: Re: CPC Club (CPC Whatsapp Group)
Post by: Gryzor on 13:30, 09 June 21
Eh, 9-10pm is too late for me too and it can be so for a variety of reasons - mainly, that's movie time for me and the missus and not me-watching-retro-vids time, but having to explain myself is not something that's needed. But Gaza is not, I feel, something to joke about under most circumstances...
Title: Re: CPC Club (CPC Whatsapp Group)
Post by: Shaun M. Neary on 13:36, 09 June 21
Eh, 9-10pm is too late for me too and it can be so for a variety of reasons - mainly, that's movie time for me and the missus and not me-watching-retro-vids time, but having to explain myself is not something that's needed. But Gaza is not, I feel, something to joke about under most circumstances...


If I'd known the Gaza thing would have been taken too heart, I'd have put my hand up in the air and apologised for that.
But instead, he took his ball and ran off. Nothing I can do about that.


It's one thing choosing one thing over the other, and that's fine. Just don't complain that certain things are on at times that don't suit you either. (Obviously not you @Gryzor (https://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=1)) but on that Xyphoe stream thread from almost two years or so ago is where that stemmed from.
Title: Re: CPC Club (CPC Whatsapp Group)
Post by: Gryzor on 13:45, 09 June 21
Yeah not sure how an offense from 2 years ago could be dredged up; for me Gaza is just not joke material. Let's talk about Gazza instead?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=422dOIWnjak
Title: Re: CPC Club (CPC Whatsapp Group)
Post by: Shaun M. Neary on 13:49, 09 June 21
Yeah not sure how an offense from 2 years ago could be dredged up; for me Gaza is just not joke material. Let's talk about Gazza instead?


Ah Gazza... he'd bring a tear t'the eye...


(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CJBjXNOWoAAwTR9.jpg)
Title: Re: CPC Club (CPC Whatsapp Group)
Post by: eto on 14:10, 09 June 21
Yeah not sure how an offense from 2 years ago

Not 2 years ago. 4 months ago. https://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/other-retro/list-of-english-amstrad-cpc-twitch-streamers/msg198050/#msg198050
Title: Re: CPC Club (CPC Whatsapp Group)
Post by: Shaun M. Neary on 14:13, 09 June 21
Not 2 years ago. 4 months ago. https://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/other-retro/list-of-english-amstrad-cpc-twitch-streamers/msg198050/#msg198050


Thanks for the correction. I'll stand corrected (it does feel a lot longer than four months ago, I'll blame Covid for that).
Also there was no hint of offence taken from him in his response either, so he waits until now to be huffy about it? Kinda convenient really.
Title: Re: CPC Club (CPC Whatsapp Group)
Post by: eto on 14:28, 09 June 21
Also there was no hint of offence taken from him in his response either

Hard to say it's really an insult, but (seen from a third person perspective and just my personal opinion) it's unnecessary picking on someone and disrespectful. If anyone would ask if my home is like Gaza I would also ignore it, even if I find it way off and absolutely not funny. And if in the next discussion (even if 4 months apart) I would be called stubborn, just based on what I share as personal opinions/thoughts, I would probably reject any further conversation with that person. I wasn't aware that "ignore" is an option, but yes, that would be the right tool for me then. Not because I feel offended but because I think it's a waste of time and energy to deal with attempted offence. Leaving the forum doesn't make sense for me, but then, as it's very, very personal how an offence is experienced, it's his decision and his anger (to some degree) understandable.
Title: Re: CPC Club (CPC Whatsapp Group)
Post by: Gryzor on 15:25, 09 June 21
Thanks for the link and the correction.

Well, he did offer that 10pm is after bed time which let's face it, is sure to attract a light-hearted comment or two. I honestly don't see that as an insult (though the Gaza thing is still pretty uncomfortable). I try to apply it to me - if someone laughed at me for going to bed at 10pm I'd probably say "yeah, let's see you laughing when you get a toddler". Seriously, I think it's unbelievable we're splitting hair like this.
Title: Re: CPC Club (CPC Whatsapp Group)
Post by: Shaun M. Neary on 15:40, 09 June 21
Hard to say it's really an insult, but (seen from a third person perspective and just my personal opinion) it's unnecessary picking on someone and disrespectful. If anyone would ask if my home is like Gaza I would also ignore it, even if I find it way off and absolutely not funny. And if in the next discussion (even if 4 months apart) I would be called stubborn, just based on what I share as personal opinions/thoughts, I would probably reject any further conversation with that person. I wasn't aware that "ignore" is an option, but yes, that would be the right tool for me then. Not because I feel offended but because I think it's a waste of time and energy to deal with attempted offence. Leaving the forum doesn't make sense for me, but then, as it's very, very personal how an offence is experienced, it's his decision and his anger (to some degree) understandable.


To be fair, it was hardly picking on the guy. I would have given the same response to anyone saying that time for a stream was too late. But it was meant in jest, hence the two laughing smilies beside it. Were people that blind that they couldn't see this? The Gaza thing you'll either find humour in it or you won't, I'll happily accept that. My humour is dark at best and it's not for everyone. But if he had an issue with that, he honestly needed to raise that at the time and I would have happily thrown my hands up in the air and said "There was no offence indended and I'll apologise for that"

But he didn't. He bottled it for four months and merged it in an unrelated topic. That says a lot more about him than it does about me.
He also has a HUGE problem accepting answers unless they match with the ones in his head.

Absolutely it's his decision to leave (God knows, I've left here before over a lot less!), but he's using a sledgehammer to crack a monkey nut!
Title: Re: CPC Club (CPC Whatsapp Group)
Post by: Shaun M. Neary on 15:41, 09 June 21
Thanks for the link and the correction.

Well, he did offer that 10pm is after bed time which let's face it, is sure to attract a light-hearted comment or two. I honestly don't see that as an insult (though the Gaza thing is still pretty uncomfortable). I try to apply it to me - if someone laughed at me for going to bed at 10pm I'd probably say "yeah, let's see you laughing when you get a toddler". Seriously, I think it's unbelievable we're splitting hair like this.


See, you get it!
This is where the whole thing was going. And in the initial thread, I actually thought that's how he took it too. Of course, it was upon further examination that I discovered he waited three months to post a response.
Title: Re: CPC Club (CPC Whatsapp Group)
Post by: DoctorCPC on 00:57, 10 June 21
This whatsapp group is just for chatting every now and then. otherwise the cpcwiki forum is more than enough for this. To greet each other and always feel the power of CPC.If you are bored and want to chat, we are waiting for you. my english is not perfect. I've just started reading the messages that came in this post one by one.
Title: Re: CPC Club (CPC Whatsapp Group)
Post by: Gryzor on 09:46, 10 June 21
Yes, that's fine, I can see the appeal of that and I do discuss CPC (and other retro stuff) on messenger apps. But not in groups, just in person with other guys (often from this forum) :)
Title: Re: CPC Club (CPC Whatsapp Group)
Post by: DoctorCPC on 15:02, 10 June 21
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