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Bryce:
What he said. And just for clarification, the German rules on sending gifts are almost identical: https://www.zoll.de/DE/Privatpersonen/Postsendungen-Internetbestellungen/Sendungen-aus-einem-Nicht-EU-Staat/Zoll-und-Steuern/Geschenksendungen/geschenksendungen_node.html


Bryce.

Where's the like button when you need it?

reidrac:

--- Quote from: Bryce on 14:39, 04 October 21 ---Where's the like button when you need it?

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@1024MAK have a like, sir!

That was my understanding of all this (I know people selling retro related hardware from the UK to the EU, and it isn't pretty).

tjohnson:
If you are sending a cpc for repair then you aren't sending a gift and I wouldn't illegally declare an item a gift when it's not.  Maybe the UK and EU will agree something in the future but don't get your hopes up.

ralferoo:
Hello all, long time no see! Thought I'd start my return to the forum with a controversial reply!  ;)


I've not looked into this since Brexit, but previously when I've seen discussions about this issue coming up in other contexts (usually UK-USA), I read that there are specific exemptions for both VAT and import duty which could be relevant to repairs. If you re-export a product within a certain time frame and keep all the documentation, it is possible to claim back all the import expenses, and likewise if you can prove you exported something for repair you are not liable for import duties on it again. Of course, you are subject to VAT on any added value or services performed, and so if Bryce charged any money at all he'd still have paperwork to deal with.


Even before Brexit, importing and exporting anything internationally was a real pain. There is a lot of paperwork, and you have to get all the correct classification codes, etc., and it's really only worthwhile to deal with that stuff if you're a larger company with a sizeable international market. I know several people running companies pre-Brexit who turned turn down quite large international deals because for a one-off customer, it wasn't worth doing all the paperwork, even if it would represent 10% of their income that year.


Bryce has already been super generous over the years donating his time to help people out, but it's a bit unfair to suggest that any of these new regulations are somehow his fault, or even a problem he needs to deal with. He's right to prioritise doing things he enjoys in his spare time, and if that's fixing random old hardware rather than dealing with mountains of paperwork, with legal liability and potential fines if he makes any mistakes, that's his choice.


The simple reality is that the UK walked away from the best trade agreement we've ever had as a nation since we stopped sailing round the world and using military means to negotiate trade deals. We annulled years and years of concessions, which were the envy of the other member states who joined later. As a nation we have to accept that we will never get as good a trade deal again, simply because we no longer have a market that's significant enough to the rest of the world for them to give much ground in any negotiations. At the moment most people in Britain still seem to be blaming Europe because they keep offering us deals that are worse than what we had before, and until we can collectively get our heads around the fact that this was all self-inflicted and start working out what Britain actually has to offer to the rest of the world, things aren't going to get any better.


And as for sending parcels as gifts, the UK customs has been trying to crack down on that for years, as it was well known that lots of people were abusing it. I can't imagine the German or EU customs being any more lenient on the issue, and if Bryce is frequently getting large heavy parcels that are always just below the gift threshold, they'll notice eventually, open one up and assess its value themselves. If it's claimed as a £20 gift and they're selling for £100 on ebay, then they'll start opening every package he receives.

CraigsBar:

--- Quote from: redbox on 18:12, 30 September 21 ---Really sorry to hear this. 

However, it would seem it's primarily a German government problem rather than a Brexit problem.

In the UK you can send and receive a "gift" anywhere in the world with a value of £38 / $50 USD without any customs hassles.  Can you not do the same from Germany?

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Sorry mate, that's bollix! it is totally Brexit's fault. The same is true of getting things from the UK to Ireland and we share a land border. Not getting political here, but it could be argued that the UK could (and should) have remained in the Single Market and Customs union and still had it's stupid brexit brainfart. But becuase of Boris and his extreme tory brexit which NOBODY voted for these issues are all down to that and nothing else.

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