Brexit. UK Politics.

[seanb]

Posts being edited. Keep up like that and I'll be just deleting them.

Well I'm bowing out.
I feel like people aren't reading what others are writing and jumping to points and areas the person they're replying too havent made or have no bearing on anything they've said.

[Gryzor]

You're a liar, I didn't say that!

Mate, will you calm down instead of snapping at every chance? Did I say it was you?..

[ukmarkh]

Mate, will you calm down instead of snapping at every chance? Did I say it was you?

It certainly felt like that's what you were insinuating! I will calm down... Sorry if I've offended anybody, I love you all long time, 5$


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[Bryce]

It certainly felt like that's what you were insinuating! I will calm down... Sorry if I've offended anybody, I love you all long time, 5$

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Wow, where do I pick up my 5 dollars?

Bryce.

[ukmarkh]

Wow, where do I pick up my 5 dollars?

Bryce.

Next time we meet [emoji38]


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[MaV]

That reminds me of Ewan McTeagle's masterwork:

Can I have fifty pounds to mend the shed?
I'm right on my uppers.
I can pay you back when this postal order comes from Australia. Honestly.
Hope the bladder trouble's getting better.
Love, Ewan.

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You guessed it right: It's from Monty Python.

Love the Brits. They shouldn't leave.

[Bryce]

"I will gladly pay you tuesday for a hamburger today"...

Bryce.

[villain]

I've read what the majority of the latest polls says, but what do you british CPC-guys out there expect for 23 June?

[EgoTrip]

I've already cast my vote but I know its wasted because even though I voted to leave, the result will either be rigged in favour of remain, or the government will renege on it. Just like what happened with the Scottish vote. I still believe that was fixed.

[Gryzor]

What? They're fixing things in the EU?

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[Bryce]

I've already cast my vote but I know its wasted because even though I voted to leave, the result will either be rigged in favour of remain, or the government will renege on it. Just like what happened with the Scottish vote. I still believe that was fixed.

So you have absolutely no trust in your Government... and then you vote to give them even more power?

Strange logic.

Bryce.

[EgoTrip]

So you have absolutely no trust in your Government... and then you vote to give them even more power?

Strange logic.

Bryce.

You can look at it that way. But the way I see it, is if you vote to remain, you are voting to waive democracy. I can vote for British politicians, I can vote for MEP's. But I cannot, and never will be able to vote for those with actual power, and no accountability in the EU dictatorship. As things are everything is decided by the EU and everything overrides soverign law. This is unacceptable to me.

I don't trust ANYONE in politics, EU or British. They are all as bad and corrupt as each other. But at least I will have the opportunity (even if I am in the minority) to choose in the UK.

[TFM]

Guys, with all respect, you should stop discussing thing like this here. Else you may put your job / live in danger. Just saying.

[andycadley]

Guys, with all respect, you should stop discussing thing like this here. Else you may put your job / live in danger. Just saying.

I'm not sure Britain has quite reached the point of totalitarian dictatorship just yet....

Personally I'd rather remain, the EU is rather more democratic than the political system here. However if the vote goes t'other way, I've long considered a move to Dublin anyway, it's my favourite place in the world, so maybe it's time to look into it properly.

[Bryce]

See you there for a pint of Guinness Andy!

Bryce.

[1024MAK]

There is misleading information from both sides. And some people say they want some facts. But instead they are fed projections of the future.

The problem is, no one knows what will happen if the UK leaves. As the resulting trade and other arrangements will have to be negotiated.

Now, if we leave, the change-over itself could cause many, many problems....

But (assuming we leave) when we have left, and we find ourselves worst off, how will we do in trying to rejoin? That is something I have no information on. And I think the UK may find rejoining would be on less favourable terms than we are now.

It also amuses me that some of the people who want to leave come out and say we did better / were okay before we joined. I think they need to go and read some history books. We (along with many other countries) suffered greatly during and after the Second World War. The British Empire (what was left of it) was in a poor state. And over the following years, nearly all the countries left in it became independent.

Since then the Royal Navy has shrunk to a small size and we no longer have much of a commercial fleet. We are still a powerful country, but the world is a completely different place. To compare before we joined with now is silly IMHO.

Also, the British press (so called newspapers) is obsessed with knocking the EU. But strangely when the EU does something than benefits the people in this country (and there are lots to benefits) it gets a lot less coverage.

And why would we want to leave when there are many countries that would like to join?

But the final thing that sways me to vote to remain is this: look at the main politicians pushing it. I mean, what good have any of them ever done. I won't list any names. But when some of them have had a government office, they have just made things worse. So no way am I ever going to back something pushed by them.

Mark

[Bryce]

According to the treaty, rejoining is possible, however the country would have to fullfil all the requirements like any other country wishing to join. I doubt the UK would be able to fullfil these if things went bad after they left.
Regarding trade agreements. The politicians are trying to suggest that they could make a few calls and set up new agreements within months. In reality most trade agreements have needed more than 10 years of negotiation before an agreement is signed. Also any agreement they make will be on worse terms than the agreements the UK enjoys today as part of the EU.

Bryce.

[Trebmint]

Just so bored with it now. If you have an opinion to remain or leave... can I just point out the only true piece of fact you'll actually hear in this whole debate. THE PERSON YOU'RE TELLING DOESN'T CARE ABOUT YOUR OPINION!

[1024MAK]

Well, thousands of people trying to register (or who did not know they were already registered) crashed the government web site due to the level of traffic. So the government passed some emergency legislation to extend the registration period for another 48 hours. So some are presumably still making their minds up...

Mark

[Trebmint]

Well, thousands of people trying to register (or who did not know they were already registered) crashed the government web site due to the level of traffic. So the government passed some emergency legislation to extend the registration period for another 48 hours. So some are presumably still making their minds up...

Mark

Well there are a few suggestions that a certain facebook group may have caused this high traffic load deliberately. TBH if you leave registering up to the last hour of the deadline you don't have much to complain about if you don't get to vote.
Personally I just want to avoid the fear and lies both sides are peddling for the next few weeks and get it over with one way or another. 

[Gryzor]

According to the treaty, rejoining is possible, however the country would have to fullfil all the requirements like any other country wishing to join.

Correct; that said, the EU *has* looked the other way while potential new members have not met the criteria (even Germany), so...

Regarding trade agreements. The politicians are trying to suggest that they could make a few calls and set up new agreements within months. In reality most trade agreements have needed more than 10 years of negotiation before an agreement is signed. Also any agreement they make will be on worse terms than the agreements the UK enjoys today as part of the EU.

No idea about whether the current agreements are in favour of the UK and whether new ones would be worse, really. And indeed it would take much more than picking up the phone and arranging a new one, but certainly it wouldn't take as long as it takes the EU which is a bureaucratic behemoth of the first order.

The problem is, no one knows what will happen if the UK leaves.

Actually, quite a few things are known, whether the UK leaves or not. It's the composition of those things into coherent predictions that's difficult.

Now, if we leave, the change-over itself could cause many, many problems....

Not an argument, in my opinion; that was also a counter-argument *against* entering the EU - "but why, if we join it'll be hard to get out". The point is whether it's better to face a shock and get on with your life or continue down the same path.

And I think the UK may find rejoining would be on less favourable terms than we are now.

I don't think so; the UK has enough pull. It'd be different if it was Greece, say.

We (along with many other countries) suffered greatly during and after the Second World War.

Actually, the period following WWII, tough times notwithstanding, was a period of boom for many of the western countries; partly because of the reconstruction effort in economic terms, partly because of changing mindsets.

The British Empire (what was left of it) was in a poor state. And over the following years, nearly all the countries left in it became independent.

I don't get this line of argument, honestly; would the EU give the colonies ("countries"? ) back?

To compare before we joined with now is silly IMHO.

I'm really not familiar with the public discourse in the UK, but you can't really compare anything without encountering differences; it'll be either against the past or against similar, but not identical situations in other countries.

Also, the British press (so called newspapers) is obsessed with knocking the EU. But strangely when the EU does something than benefits the people in this country (and there are lots to benefits) it gets a lot less coverage.

As an outsider who gets his morning briefings both from alternative sources and mainstream press, I can say that this happens on both ends of the spectrum. Indeed the benefits are not touted as EU-originating (because obviously the politicians will want to take as much credit as possible), but I see tremendous scaremongering from the EU-friendly press, too.

And why would we want to leave when there are many countries that would like to join?

In all my post I'm trying not to take position but offer a contrasting opinion just for the sake of it, but come on, is that an argument? Especially when there are so many in those countries who say "why should we join while there are countries in the EU who want to get out?"

But the final thing that sways me to vote to remain is this: look at the main politicians pushing it.

I won't offer any argument against this, because come on, you see what it's going to be easily


Again, not taking positions here. I don't have an opinion on the matter; but I'm trying to see things in a balanced way.

[1024MAK]

By this:

But the final thing that sways me to vote to remain is this: look at the main politicians pushing it.

I mean the politicians that want people to vote to leave. Let's just say I would never vote for them anyway, even before the in/out debate started because I do not agree with most of their ideas and viewpoints.

Mark

[ivarf]

Welcome back outside again Britain! Norway started to feel lonely in EFTA/EØS!

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Well, since this is an extremely hot topic now, particularly here in UK, I strongly advise everybody to be very tactful if you want the thread to remain open.

[TFM]

Well, since this is an extremely hot topic now, particularly here in UK, I strongly advise everybody to be very tactful if you want the thread to remain open.

Maybe better close it. Why the heck to we need politics in a computer forum?!!