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Re: Web vs native apps - fight!
« Reply #25 on: 08:44, 10 December 13 »
I don't prefer everything to be online. All I said was that everything will be online in the future, and we might as well get used it the thought instead of whining about it. There are so many things indicating this will happen.

My advice: Shut up and be happy that we already have a CPC emulator that'll run on your future online-only device. (For once some CPC software is ready before we embrace the "platform").

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Re: Web vs native apps - fight!
« Reply #26 on: 10:01, 10 December 13 »

@ralferoo: Indeed, that talk is from out of this world. It's often that you see someone 'predicting' the future and showing you amazing stuff, but how often is it that you get someone to actually show you things that come true decades later, AND that they're completely not extrapolations of what's already going on :)


Every now and then I get nostalgic of Lynx...


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@mr_lou I agree. The fact is, some times it's convenient to have an online app, but I'd prefer to keep it all local. But technology trends seem to push it the cloud way...

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Re: Web vs native apps - fight!
« Reply #27 on: 15:21, 10 December 13 »
I don't prefer everything to be online. All I said was that everything will be online in the future, and we might as well get used it the thought instead of whining about it. There are so many things indicating this will happen.

My advice: Shut up and be happy that we already have a CPC emulator that'll run on your future online-only device. (For once some CPC software is ready before we embrace the "platform").

I'm not sure I'd entirely agree with you there. I think there are some things that will always stay local for security reasons. I also think that it's only a matter of time that there's a massive cloud failure that wipes out Terabytes of peoples work or a major security breach that will scare people away from "online everything" and move the industry back to being local.

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Re: Web vs native apps - fight!
« Reply #28 on: 16:42, 10 December 13 »
I'm not sure I'd entirely agree with you there. I think there are some things that will always stay local for security reasons. I also think that it's only a matter of time that there's a massive cloud failure that wipes out Terabytes of peoples work or a major security breach that will scare people away from "online everything" and move the industry back to being local.

That would be fun, but I don't see that happening with the cloud architectures.

For the sake of argument though, let's just pretend that it did happen. To make it fun (and realistic), let's say it happened for Microsoft; i.e. someone everyone expect to not fail. All is lost, and people are angry and sad and etc.

You think this would make people stop using cloud services? Not a chance. First the usual statements: "This will never happen again, it happened because of rare circumstances blah blah blah". Everyone will believe that because - afterall, it is Microsoft.
And if it happened to a smaller company no one has heard of, people will just go: "Well, they could have just used a professional service provider".
This mixed with how most people think about most all accidents: "It won't happen to me. It might happen to the neighbour, but not to me".

Online whatever will be well and alive, and it will take over the world. Just lean back and enjoy the show.

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Re: Web vs native apps - fight!
« Reply #29 on: 16:56, 10 December 13 »
In big serious companies that do proper risk analysis, I doubt the phrase "It won't happen to me" has much significance (except for the guy who says it and gets instantly fired). :D

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Re: Web vs native apps - fight!
« Reply #30 on: 16:59, 10 December 13 »
In big serious companies that do proper risk analysis, I doubt the phrase "It won't happen to me" has much significance (except for the guy who says it and gets instantly fired). :D

It's not the people providing the service who'll say that. It's the people using the service who'll say and think like that.

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Re: Web vs native apps - fight!
« Reply #31 on: 17:00, 10 December 13 »
Isn't "Never again" what people said in 1918?

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Re: Web vs native apps - fight!
« Reply #32 on: 17:37, 10 December 13 »
It's not the people providing the service who'll say that. It's the people using the service who'll say and think like that.

I meant the people using it, not the SPs. I know that in the company that I work for, we do serious risk analysis for even low security data and every cloud solution available fails miserably.

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Re: Web vs native apps - fight!
« Reply #33 on: 17:47, 10 December 13 »
I meant the people using it, not the SPs. I know that in the company that I work for, we do serious risk analysis for even low security data and every cloud solution available fails miserably.

I think you misunderstand. The "It won't happen to me" is just what people think. Anyone who ever got HIV used to think "It won't happen to me". Everyone who recently became a victim of a flood because of the storm used to think "It won't happen to me". And everyone will also think that regarding cloud services failure - and that's enough to keep it going.

Doesn't much matter what your company decides. Even if it decided to spend a lot of money warning people (but why should they?) people won't listen, because "It won't happen to me".

If such a strategy worked, people would have stopped getting HIV decades ago.

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Re: Web vs native apps - fight!
« Reply #34 on: 18:05, 10 December 13 »
Yes, but if the big companies don't use these services, then there's a large percentage of the industry that will stay with local data, now add the already suspicious users (like me) and those who have got burnt by some cloud server failure and that's a lot of people that won't go online, making sure that at best it will end up with a mixture of those who move online and those who don't.

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Re: Web vs native apps - fight!
« Reply #35 on: 19:05, 10 December 13 »
Yes, but if the big companies don't use these services, then there's a large percentage of the industry that will stay with local data

Alright. I see your point there, but I still think they'll submit eventually.

Time will tell.

I don't think it'll be up to bigger companies to decide which way it all goes. I think it'll be everyday consumers who'll decide that.
And as long as it does go in that direction, there will come a time where you just gotta go with it.

(Facebook is a great example. I hate it, and I still don't use it - but many many people who used to hate it (and maybe they still do), now use it despite, because it's just where everyone is).

There might be a few of us left in the world sticking with local data. We'll probably be called rebels and/or "the old ones".
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