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Title: Windows 3.1 in a webbrowser
Post by: Devilmarkus on 00:47, 21 May 11
Today I installed Windows 3.1 on my website.
http://cpc-live.com/win31.html (http://cpc-live.com/win31.html)
Have fun ;)

(Java required!)
Title: Re: Windows 3.1 in a webbrowser
Post by: CPCLER on 01:06, 21 May 11
Hi Markus!


It's not fun!
This is no fun, a part of my already crappy existance i try to forget!


/CPCLER
Title: Re: Windows 3.1 in a webbrowser
Post by: Devilmarkus on 01:08, 21 May 11
LOL....
Hummm then:
Play Biing! instead:
http://cpc-live.com/biing (http://cpc-live.com/biing)
Title: Re: Windows 3.1 in a webbrowser
Post by: AMSDOS on 11:42, 21 May 11
I'm not touching it unless Calmira 2 is the Shell!   :P


"Program Manager" is stupid!  :P
Title: Re: Windows 3.1 in a webbrowser
Post by: Ynot.zer0 on 11:56, 21 May 11
cool stuff!  I like the fact I can drop into a MSDos prompt  8)


which reminds me: JavaScript Linux running in Chrome anyone?  http://bellard.org/jslinux/ (http://bellard.org/jslinux/)
Title: Re: Windows 3.1 in a webbrowser
Post by: Devilmarkus on 13:29, 21 May 11
Does anyone know an older Linux 16 bit distribution? With desktop?
I will try to add it, too...
Title: Re: Windows 3.1 in a webbrowser
Post by: MacDeath on 13:58, 21 May 11
Sorry but i went from MSDos to Win95 directly.  :-[
Title: Re: Windows 3.1 in a webbrowser
Post by: AMSDOS on 14:40, 21 May 11
Does anyone know an older Linux 16 bit distribution? With desktop?
I will try to add it, too...


Minix is older than Linux and comes in a 16bit form. What sort of Desktop is available for it I'm unsure, though cause it's got a long history, I'm guessing there would be something available for it and since you've spoken of Windows 3.1, you should check out Digital Research's GEM 1.2 from 1985 (before Apple cripple it), cause that's also an interesting GUI Environment suitable for the earlier machines like the XTs and PCs I think it also ran on!  ;D
Title: Re: Windows 3.1 in a webbrowser
Post by: Devilmarkus on 15:47, 21 May 11
Hmmm I think there's no way...
I am using DosBox for Java ;)
And as its name is called: DOS only...
It's not possible to "boot" into another OS...

But many games work nice:
Duke Nukem 3d,
Doom 1,
Doom 2,
Monkey Island 1+2

If you want, ask me for the links (Because much traffic I dont post them here)
Title: Re: Windows 3.1 in a webbrowser
Post by: MaV on 18:14, 21 May 11
Hmmm I think there's no way...
I am using DosBox for Java ;)
And as its name is called: DOS only...
It's not possible to "boot" into another OS...

Ahem. It was you who asked for a 16-bit linus.  ::)
Title: Re: Windows 3.1 in a webbrowser
Post by: Devilmarkus on 19:16, 21 May 11
Sure... But then I tried a Linux boot image. (Just the console)
And this failed because DosBox starts with the dos prompt... :-X
Title: Re: Windows 3.1 in a webbrowser
Post by: redbox on 22:31, 21 May 11
Sure... But then I tried a Linux boot image. (Just the console)
And this failed because DosBox starts with the dos prompt... :-X

You can definitely boot Linux from DOS as I used to do it back in the day.

Slackware let's you do it, think ZipSlack did it straight from the box as well.
Title: Re: Windows 3.1 in a webbrowser
Post by: Gryzor on 09:39, 23 May 11
Ohhhh crap! Creative Mixer! Brought back... well, not so many memories. I hated the guts of 3.x and used DOS most of the time, till 95 came about. Still, very nice. Is it really Windows or a program emulating it?
Title: Re: Windows 3.1 in a webbrowser
Post by: AMSDOS on 10:05, 23 May 11
Ohhhh crap! Creative Mixer! Brought back... well, not so many memories. I hated the guts of 3.x and used DOS most of the time, till 95 came about. Still, very nice. Is it really Windows or a program emulating it?

Which is why 3.1 is far better with the Free Calmira 2 shell.
Title: Re: Windows 3.1 in a webbrowser
Post by: Devilmarkus on 11:52, 23 May 11
Here you go: Win31 with Calmira shell:
http://retropower.eu/dos.php?file=windows31&boot=autoexec.bat&width=800&height=600 (http://retropower.eu/dos.php?file=windows31&boot=autoexec.bat&width=800&height=600)
Title: Re: Windows 3.1 in a webbrowser
Post by: Devilmarkus on 12:11, 23 May 11
Well, a few games for you:
Wolfenstein 3D:
http://retropower.eu/dos.php?file=wolf3d&boot=wolf3d (http://retropower.eu/dos.php?file=wolf3d&boot=wolf3d)
Lure of the Temptress (German):
http://retropower.eu/dos.php?file=lured&boot=LURE (http://retropower.eu/dos.php?file=lured&boot=LURE)
Lure of the Temptress (English):
http://retropower.eu/dos.php?file=lure&boot=LURE (http://retropower.eu/dos.php?file=lure&boot=LURE)
The Settlers 1:
http://retropower.eu/dos.php?file=settlers&boot=settlers&width=720&height=480 (http://retropower.eu/dos.php?file=settlers&boot=settlers&width=720&height=480)
Dune 2: (German)
http://retropower.eu/dos.php?file=dune2&boot=dune2 (http://retropower.eu/dos.php?file=dune2&boot=dune2)

Make suggestions which I should install, too...

Title: Re: Windows 3.1 in a webbrowser
Post by: AMSDOS on 12:24, 23 May 11
Here you go: Win31 with Calmira shell:
http://retropower.eu/dos.php?file=windows31&boot=autoexec.bat&width=800&height=600 (http://retropower.eu/dos.php?file=windows31&boot=autoexec.bat&width=800&height=600)

Pretty impressive you've been able to do that!  ;D  Unfortunately my computer's a bit sluggish with even the simple applications, otherwise it's neat and worth the loading time wait!  ;D
 
I've attached a Screen Dump just to show what Win3.1 looks like with Calmira 2.
 
(http://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2294.0;attach=1718;image)
 
 Further suggestions, I used to have Win32s which allowed you to play Freecell. Early versions of Borland's Delphi (version 1 and 2 I think) was a good language if that's worth doing (making little Frontend programs with Pascal code behind them!  ;D ).
Title: Re: Windows 3.1 in a webbrowser
Post by: Ynot.zer0 on 14:56, 23 May 11
you have managed to replicate my 'Fujitsu LifeBook B-2154'!
It's a 486 laptop (with a 2Gb CFCard for a HDD, so it runs silent).  It boots into MS-Dos 6.2.2 and has win3.1 setup along with Borland Delphi 1 and Borland Turbo C.  I mainly use it to play Doom / Wolfenstein / old DOS games but recently I've installed CPCE that it boots directly into.  Boot time of about 5 seconds that goes straight into fullscreen Amsdos - confuses a lot of people  8)
The only downside is that I couldn't get the sound to work...
Title: Re: Windows 3.1 in a webbrowser
Post by: Gryzor on 18:14, 23 May 11
Had no idea about Calmira. Awesome. But kind of useless?
Title: Re: Windows 3.1 in a webbrowser
Post by: Gryzor on 18:19, 23 May 11
Well, a few games for you:
Wolfenstein 3D:
http://retropower.eu/dos.php?file=wolf3d&boot=wolf3d (http://retropower.eu/dos.php?file=wolf3d&boot=wolf3d)
Lure of the Temptress (German):
http://retropower.eu/dos.php?file=lured&boot=LURE (http://retropower.eu/dos.php?file=lured&boot=LURE)
Lure of the Temptress (English):
http://retropower.eu/dos.php?file=lure&boot=LURE (http://retropower.eu/dos.php?file=lure&boot=LURE)
The Settlers 1:
http://retropower.eu/dos.php?file=settlers&boot=settlers&width=720&height=480 (http://retropower.eu/dos.php?file=settlers&boot=settlers&width=720&height=480)
Dune 2: (German)
http://retropower.eu/dos.php?file=dune2&boot=dune2 (http://retropower.eu/dos.php?file=dune2&boot=dune2)

Make suggestions which I should install, too...



Awwwwesome! :)

Wolfenstein 3D was the title that made me start thinking about buying a PC, when I played it for hours on end on my friend's 386SX while I had a 1040STFM...

Btw, Lure needs a cd first, it doesn't autorun.
Title: Re: Windows 3.1 in a webbrowser
Post by: Devilmarkus on 18:50, 23 May 11
Whoops... My mistake:
http://retropower.eu/dos.php?file=lure&boot=AUTORUN (http://retropower.eu/dos.php?file=lure&boot=AUTORUN)
Title: Re: Windows 3.1 in a webbrowser
Post by: EgoTrip on 19:36, 23 May 11
I'm having issues with the mouse, i cant seem to keep it in the window if that makes sense
Title: Re: Windows 3.1 in a webbrowser
Post by: Devilmarkus on 19:38, 23 May 11
Did you accept the signature for the applet? or did you click "cancel"?
Title: Re: Windows 3.1 in a webbrowser
Post by: Gryzor on 20:17, 23 May 11
Yeah, I saw it too, sometimes it just jitters around for some reason... got to alt-tab to fix it.
Title: Re: Windows 3.1 in a webbrowser
Post by: Devilmarkus on 20:45, 23 May 11
Took me hours to install a working!!! Windows 95 image.
Works nice with DosBox but sadly the Java JDosbox is not good enough (yet) to play it... :(
Title: Re: Windows 3.1 in a webbrowser
Post by: AMSDOS on 04:13, 24 May 11
Had no idea about Calmira. Awesome. But kind of useless?

The original Calmira from memory was fiddly to use (adding programs and stuff in with the shell) and wasn't quite to the same standard as Calmira 2, which is about as flexible as Win95 is in terms of intergrating your software into it and managing your control pannel. May seem useless in a webbrowser, though I had a bunch of 386s and even if have you've heard stories about people using Win95 on a 386, Win 3.1 on a 386 is heaps better than Win95, though Win 3.1 will always be better than Win95!  ;D 
Title: Re: Windows 3.1 in a webbrowser
Post by: redbox on 11:38, 24 May 11
The original Calmira from memory was fiddly to use (adding programs and stuff in with the shell) and wasn't quite to the same standard as Calmira 2, which is about as flexible as Win95 is in terms of intergrating your software into it and managing your control pannel. May seem useless in a webbrowser, though I had a bunch of 386s and even if have you've heard stories about people using Win95 on a 386, Win 3.1 on a 386 is heaps better than Win95, though Win 3.1 will always be better than Win95!  ;D

Win95 has extended the life of many 'unusable' machines for things such as web browsing, email etc.

Would rather it had been Linux but peeps are used to Windows. 

Having said that, in my opinion (which I would hope is neutral in the OS wars) you just can't beat XP.  It's matured into a really stable and well used OS and to me it's the real winner of the desktop.
Title: Re: Windows 3.1 in a webbrowser
Post by: Devilmarkus on 13:37, 24 May 11
Having said that, in my opinion (which I would hope is neutral in the OS wars) you just can't beat XP.  It's matured into a really stable and well used OS and to me it's the real winner of the desktop.

Well I would say the most stable OS (from Necrosoft) was Win2k
Title: Re: Windows 3.1 in a webbrowser
Post by: Gryzor on 16:23, 24 May 11
Hadn't seen JDosBox, but it sounds like a lot of geeky fun :)
Title: Re: Windows 3.1 in a webbrowser
Post by: Devilmarkus on 17:32, 24 May 11
Hadn't seen JDosBox, but it sounds like a lot of geeky fun :)

It's under development since december, 2010.
So it's progress is not very far yet, but really promising.
I am using it on retropower.eu with some additions from JavaCPC! (Keyboard translation for French, Spanish and German keyboards, and also adding a few more features to it) ;)
Title: Re: Windows 3.1 in a webbrowser
Post by: Bryce on 17:46, 24 May 11
Can you get it to run a CPC Emulator within Windows 3.11 ?

Bryce.
Title: Re: Windows 3.1 in a webbrowser
Post by: Devilmarkus on 18:07, 24 May 11
Can you get it to run a CPC Emulator within Windows 3.11 ?

Sure I can also get a CPC emulator working with MS-Dos, but its way too slow...
Title: Re: Windows 3.1 in a webbrowser
Post by: Gryzor on 09:46, 25 May 11
What would be the most convoluted way to emulate a CPC?

Virtual PC with MacOS running a Windows emulator running JDosBox? :)
Title: Re: Windows 3.1 in a webbrowser
Post by: AMSDOS on 10:29, 25 May 11
That's why I thought it would be cool to incorporate the PC version of GEM cause it's one of the few GUIs which is faster than Windows and will run effectively on something like an 8086 (unsure if it needs DOS Plus 1.2 or DR DOS 5 to be able to work properly, some variations of GEM do - the ones which came on some System Disks for use on an Amstrad PC1512 did though I think, others will run under any old DOS though).
 
Technically speaking XP is my favourite OS, I have used 2k a few times, though I didn't find it very USB friendly. Win 3.1 for the record though isn't an OS because it relies heavly on DOS and people debate about 95 being DOS dependant too!  ;D
Title: Re: Windows 3.1 in a webbrowser
Post by: robcfg on 13:13, 25 May 11
Hey, I managed to have a Windows XP, running Linux Mint 8 under VirtualBox, running RPCEmu with RiscOS 4.39!  8)


(http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/544/winlinuxriscos.th.jpg) (http://img139.imageshack.us/i/winlinuxriscos.jpg/)


Now, where was that CPC emulator for RiscOS...  :D
Title: Re: Windows 3.1 in a webbrowser
Post by: Gryzor on 13:17, 25 May 11
Nice :) Mind posting a high-res image someplace else? Imageshack won't show the full version for me...
Title: Re: Windows 3.1 in a webbrowser
Post by: robcfg on 14:06, 25 May 11
Here you have it attached!
Title: Re: Windows 3.1 in a webbrowser
Post by: Gryzor on 16:58, 26 May 11
Lovely :) I should try that Amiga CPC emulator...
Title: Re: Windows 3.1 in a webbrowser
Post by: MacDeath on 16:32, 01 June 11
Then... is it possible to play a speccy port on a CPC emulator on an Amiga* emulated in win3.11 emulated in webbrowser in windowXp/Vista/Seven ?

As a Linux app of course... ?

*I also heard that Amiga could emulate the Atari ST, so why not having instead a speccy port on a CPC emulator on an Atari ST emulated on an Amiga emulated in win3.11 emulated in webbrowser in windowXp/Vista/Seven ? ??? (ok, no linux this time...but on a Mac)
Title: Re: Windows 3.1 in a webbrowser
Post by: Gryzor on 08:16, 02 June 11
I don't think the Amiga could emulate the ST, no more than the CPC could the Spectrum. Consider that the ST 68k ran at 8MHz, whereas the Amiga one run at ~7MHz... And I can't find a 3.11 emulator for the Amiga either.
Title: Re: Windows 3.1 in a webbrowser
Post by: MacDeath on 10:57, 02 June 11
Well, to emulate ST, just disable Hardsprites, Sound and all the extra feature, keep in mode 16 colour, tadam, you have an ST.

 :D

I was more talking about advanced and late Amiga, not the Amiga1000 or 500...
Title: Re: Windows 3.1 in a webbrowser
Post by: Blurredman on 02:16, 29 June 11
Oh come on, get the real thing:

(http://members.multimania.co.uk/gassydalek/website/graphics/dos/blurrysite.jpg)


 :P :P :P :P :P