16KB ROM game compo - technical thread

[TFM]

Well, a 128 KB title would be probably one which is using 64 KB as V-RAM already. Which makes sense when doing a multiways scrolling.
On the other hand 64 KB are enought, even when using double buffering, you still have 24 KB (firmware stays ok) or 32 KB (firmware gets deleted) for the game.

And to compress an (up to) 32 KB game into a 16 KB ROM makes indeed sense in my eyes.

I guess this game compo is a source of motivation for me

[Gryzor]

 
I guess this game compo is a source of motivation for me

Go for it man!!!

[TFM]

I try [nb]Damn it TFM!!! There is no such thing like trying, either you do it or you don't[/nb] it!

[fano]

Just do it ! 

[TFM]

Remembers me about one of these advertisments... What was it again...?

Ah!!!

Riot! Just do it!

[Octoate]

Hi,
thanks to duncan_bayne, I have updated the SDCC / Code::Blocks example to support Linux, too. Now the Linux version also doesn't need "wine" to run the "hex2bin" utility, because I have added a native binary. I also changed the Linux Code::Blocks project to use the "Makefile" instead - hey, we Linux users don't need a GUI, a command line and "vi" is enough :-).
You can get the latest version from GitHub.

[gerald]

Hi,
thanks to duncan_bayne, I have updated the SDCC / Code::Blocks example to support Linux, too. Now the Linux version also doesn't need "wine" to run the "hex2bin" utility, because I have added a native binary. I also changed the Linux Code::Blocks project to use the "Makefile" instead - hey, we Linux users don't need a GUI, a command line and "vi"  is enough :-).
You can get the latest version from GitHub.

Emacs  !!!!

[duncan_bayne]

Emacs  !!!!

Hell yeah!

duncan-bayne/emacs-setup · GitHub

[SyX]

and python 

[steve]

Perhaps a rule for future contests is that the program must be fully developed and created on a cpc/plus?

[TotO]

Perhaps a rule for future contests is that the program must be fully developed and created on a cpc/plus?

No, because you can't check that.

[Gryzor]

True; unless the dev also had a live vid stream But why anyway?

[TotO]

No need to reduce the participants by adding restrictions.

For convenience, most peoples use their PC with emulators.
The goal is to run to the target machine.

[Gryzor]

While we're at it let's make devs sit on uncomfortable, non-ergonomic desks and use books to prop the monitor a bit higher

[db6128]

Perhaps a rule for future contests is that the program must be fully developed and created on a cpc/plus?

Why?

[steve]

Why?

Just more of a challenge.
I am sure that on an 8 core PC with 64 GB ram and a modern high level compiler, the programs just write themselves .

[Bryce]

[Sarcastic]
Yeah, that's exactly how it works. Just open a CLI and type: "Make cool CPC game ,assembly,  Target=C:\Coolgame.exe"

I use powerful computers to do the same in hardware. Try the CLI command "Create cool CPC expansion, TTL, RAMExp, s, c", great command. It's a amazing how creative 8 cores can be.
[/Sarcastic]

Bryce.

[steve]

The whole point of compilers on powerful hardware is to make software easier to write.
I remember in the late 70's there was a program called "the last one", as in the last piece of commercial software a user would ever need to buy.
Of course reality did not match the hype, but that was 30 years ago.

It's not the same for hardware because you are all hardware bods not programmers. 

[Bryce]

The best software in the world will probably be able to make the job easier and automate certain tasks, but that isn't what makes a good game. Good games require creativity, and no software in the world can offer you that.

Bryce.

[TotO]

Sorry for the 8-core PC, but the CPC can't handle a 1MB "hello world!" nerd program...
Disqualified !!! 

[db6128]

I don't think anyone organising anything like this would take the suggestion seriously, but count me as someone fully against it. Consider it in light of the fact that even many of the titles made during the CPC's original lifetime probably weren't programmed on it much or at all. I have no idea why someone would have a problem with tools that make development easier, prolong an architecture's lifespan, and expand both the boundaries of what it can do and the scene overall. Asking for development to be confined to the native system in real time is asking for stagnation at best.

[steve]

Well, it has already been said that there is no way of verifying how the program was developed, so that is the end of it, and I never expected people to react they way they have, maybe they thought I was suggesting that they should sacrifice their children to the programming gods.

[TotO]

Consider it in light of the fact that even many of the titles made during the CPC's original lifetime probably weren't programmed on it much or at all.

Absolutly.

[fano]

Just more of a challenge.
I am sure that on an 8 core PC with 64 GB ram and a modern high level compiler, the programs just write themselves .

That's already challenging enough to design and to write a decent program for the CPC, believe us 

[Axelay]

Consider it in light of the fact that even many of the titles made during the CPC's original lifetime probably weren't programmed on it much or at all.

There was PDS.