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Title: Creating new Shows - i need your suggestions
Post by: RolandRadio on 10:35, 30 June 20
A few months ago we had some "Artists only"-Shows from Artists having a wide range of titles on RolandRadio. But we cancelled those shows while reprogramming the system.


Now after we have a great success with the Top15-Show i think about doing more shows with specialized themes during the day.


Did you like the "Targhan only" and similar Shows and want them back?
What about theme-styled hourly shows like "Car racing tunes only" :D


"Dizzy-Special" and so on.


If you have any ideas or suggestions i'm glad to read them here.
Title: Re: Creating new Shows - i need your suggestions
Post by: ComSoft6128 on 10:39, 30 June 20
The "Top ten" By year?
Title: Re: Creating new Shows - i need your suggestions
Post by: RolandRadio on 10:52, 30 June 20

The "Top ten" By year?
Thats a nice idea for playing on Week 52 of a year. to play the top-charts by rating by year. i will think about it. Nice!
Title: Re: Creating new Shows - i need your suggestions
Post by: SkulleateR on 14:15, 30 June 20
How about something like "most-underrated-tunes" but it could be difficult to decide ;)
Title: Re: Creating new Shows - i need your suggestions
Post by: RolandRadio on 16:09, 30 June 20
How about something like "most-underrated-tunes" but it could be difficult to decide ;)
i can select all titles who are rated by less than 5 users (which is the limit to get into the charts calculation) and then shuffle the titles, select 20 and play them in the "most underrated titles"-Show. And if we play this show more often during the week i can reshuffle the list, so every "underrated"-Show has different titles from the whole pool of titles with low ratings
Title: Re: Creating new Shows - i need your suggestions
Post by: BSC on 20:37, 30 June 20
Demo-tunes only would be nice, as they tend to be a bit more modern and a bit less often played, overall.

Also nice: Pop-Song covers. Amiga (general cross platform) covers.
Title: Re: Creating new Shows - i need your suggestions
Post by: RolandRadio on 22:38, 30 June 20
Demo tunes only should be possible as I tagged the productions on Roland radio if they are demos. So I can hopefully select all titles from productions which are Demos Shuffle them and generate a hourly playlist.
I#d love to have some extra informations about the musics played then but it’s hard to find some nice and informative texts for the demos or their tunes. Maybe you can provide some extra informations about your tunes? Location did, year, surroundings.
Title: Re: Creating new Shows - i need your suggestions
Post by: RolandRadio on 22:41, 30 June 20
Villain and myself planned a show chipunes versus real. Where we first play the chiptune and after that the original tune.. will cost 360 euros for gems / biem but can be worth the fun.  But we ended up with only four or five tunes we found. So also help is appreciated for telling us about chip tunes that have a real world predecessor.
Title: Re: Creating new Shows - i need your suggestions
Post by: mr_lou on 08:08, 01 July 20
I have two suggestions/ideas:

1: Tracks that utilize stereo in a way that they sound good with headphones?

2: Tracks that also exists in other filetype versions for other platforms? (Play the other version too for comparison).

Title: Re: Creating new Shows - i need your suggestions
Post by: SuTeKH/Epyteor on 08:55, 01 July 20
Villain and myself planned a show chipunes versus real. Where we first play the chiptune and after that the original tune.. will cost 360 euros for gems / biem but can be worth the fun.  But we ended up with only four or five tunes we found. So also help is appreciated for telling us about chip tunes that have a real world predecessor.
To slightly enhance this idea; Chris Abbott (https://c64audio.com/) recently released an Arcade Classics (https://arcadeclassics.hearnow.com/) remix album, so perhaps do an arcade show where you play the arcade original and one (or more) AY versions; Outrun, Alien Storm, Space Harrier, etc. Perhaps have interviews with CPCers telling how/why they converted the tune!


Or, a show that showcases the differences between C64 and CPC; Ghost & Goblins, Cybernoid (1 & 2), Stormlord, etc. Where the music we had was so different to the C64 music! I realise this will include a LOT of JDR, but that's not exactly an issue! ^_^ Again, playing both tunes!

Title: Re: Creating new Shows - i need your suggestions
Post by: SuTeKH/Epyteor on 09:13, 07 July 20
Just as an addition to the above;
How about an "Unknown Artist" show? Where you play only Unknown Artist tunes (self-explanatory, I know, but...)
Maybe have the intro jingle asking people to email in if they know who wrote the tune (again, I know you alreay do this, but I don't think people realise how many tunes still have no artist name.) The idea is to try and lower the number of unknown artist tunes on RR as there are over 550 of them!


I appreciate that some game tunes are going to be impossible to get right! For example;
- OUT RUN was converted to AY by Jason C Brooke, but he was working with David Whittaker at the time so it could have been DW!
- The same goes for DEMON'S REVENGE; it's got to be either JCB or DW who wrote that awesome tune!
- A lot of the Rob Hubbard and DW tunes are interchangeable too!

However, there are some easy ones that are still showing as unknown artist. For example;
- AIRWOLF 2 and GURIANOS were done by Mark Cooksey.
- BARBARIAN was Richard Joseph's best ever soundtrack on 8-bit!
- CHIMERA was RH.
Title: Re: Creating new Shows - i need your suggestions
Post by: RolandRadio on 11:37, 08 July 20
Just as an addition to the above;
How about an "Unknown Artist" show? Where you play only Unknown Artist tunes (self-explanatory, I know, but...)
Maybe have the intro jingle asking people to email in if they know who wrote the tune (again, I know you alreay do this, but I don't think people realise how many tunes still have no artist name.) The idea is to try and lower the number of unknown artist tunes on RR as there are over 550 of them!

I was thinking about adding the Softwarehouse instead of having a lot of "unknown artist"-tunes. I am thinking about how to lower this immense unknown tunes.

I appreciate that some game tunes are going to be impossible to get right! For example;
- OUT RUN was converted to AY by Jason C Brooke, but he was working with David Whittaker at the time so it could have been DW!
- The same goes for DEMON'S REVENGE; it's got to be either JCB or DW who wrote that awesome tune!
- A lot of the Rob Hubbard and DW tunes are interchangeable too!

This may be fixed as i can relate a tune to more than one artist (which will be hard) but also i will try to match a title to more than one production, because some of my tunes are used in games AND in different demos at once. And i - as an artist - know i named the tune after my cat, but now its called "The Echo-Demo" - and this sucks :-) So i would more like to see "MiauMiau" is a music by KM - used in "The Echo-Demo" .


However, there are some easy ones that are still showing as unknown artist. For example;
- AIRWOLF 2 and GURIANOS were done by Mark Cooksey.
- BARBARIAN was Richard Joseph's best ever soundtrack on 8-bit!
- CHIMERA was RH.
if you submit those informations via the Report Bug-Button this will be great as then i get emails i can work on. Thank you.
Title: Re: Creating new Shows - i need your suggestions
Post by: RolandRadio on 11:02, 16 July 20
Not the available shows can be found here: https://rolandradio.net/shows (https://rolandradio.net/shows)
Title: Re: Creating new Shows - i need your suggestions
Post by: TotO on 11:41, 16 July 20
Insert coin: Music from coin-op games
Title: Re: Creating new Shows - i need your suggestions
Post by: RolandRadio on 17:46, 16 July 20
Insert coin: Music from coin-op games


Do you have a list of the games which also where arcade games?
Title: Re: Creating new Shows - i need your suggestions
Post by: TotO on 18:42, 16 July 20
Do you have a list of the games which also where arcade games?
I can do that
Title: Re: Creating new Shows - i need your suggestions
Post by: RolandRadio on 10:04, 17 July 20
I can do that


And we are ready to go:


https://rolandradio.net/shows/8 (https://rolandradio.net/shows/8)

Title: Re: Creating new Shows - i need your suggestions
Post by: TotO on 10:17, 17 July 20
Hehe!  ;D 8)
Title: Re: Creating new Shows - i need your suggestions
Post by: SuTeKH/Epyteor on 11:32, 17 July 20
Quick question:
Are you also including the We M.U.S.I.C. (https://rolandradio.net/artists/byname/We%20M.U.S.I.C.) tracks in the Ben Daglish (https://rolandradio.net/shows/5) artist-only show?
Title: Re: Creating new Shows - i need your suggestions
Post by: RolandRadio on 13:50, 17 July 20
No. If the artist doesnt fit the name the title is ignored. Thats the reason why we play coops like "Ben & Stiller" for the autor Ben or Stiller if they have own shows. but we can not integrate "bertram" as a synonym for Ben. Maybe if i change playout system and code my own radio-playout-server i may include also aka names in the playlist.
Title: Re: Creating new Shows - i need your suggestions
Post by: mr_lou on 07:27, 20 July 20
The CPC audio is very nostalgic for me, and I still make music for it every now and then. But listening to CPC tunes for a longer period of time isn't for me. So I gotta admit that I don't listen to Roland Radio that much.

Pondering about what would make me listen more, I realized that I'd love shows that contains more speak. Especially 8-bit Memoirs kind of stories; composers telling background stories about their tracks. Or sharing any kind of memory from back in those days. Maybe such a thing is already part of it, and I just haven't stumbled across it?

And then I'd need for the shows to be downloadable in mp3 format so I can bring them with me on my (non-smart) phone and listen on-the-go. I simply don't have time to sit and listen to it otherwise.
Title: Re: Creating new Shows - i need your suggestions
Post by: SuTeKH/Epyteor on 10:17, 20 July 20
No. If the artist doesnt fit the name the title is ignored. Thats the reason why we play coops like "Ben & Stiller" for the autor Ben or Stiller if they have own shows. but we can not integrate "bertram" as a synonym for Ben. Maybe if i change playout system and code my own radio-playout-server i may include also aka names in the playlist.
Fair enough! There are only a handful of We M.U.S.I.C. tracks anyway; it's just it would've been nice to hear more MELTDOWN! ^_^

How do the artist-only shows work? Does the system just pick randomly from all named Ben Daglish, for example? In other words, will newly corrected Unknown Artist or newly uploaded titles be automatically added to the show or is it a manual task to add them?
Title: Re: Creating new Shows - i need your suggestions
Post by: RolandRadio on 11:35, 20 July 20
How do the artist-only shows work? Does the system just pick randomly from all named Ben Daglish, for example? In other words, will newly corrected Unknown Artist or newly uploaded titles be automatically added to the show or is it a manual task to add them?

Artists only have their own folder where the tracks are linked from their original source - so i need to add new tracks manually as a link to this folder where the playout system then picks randomly tracks for filling one hour. I update the folders now and then. So the changes from today will be noticed.
Title: Re: Creating new Shows - i need your suggestions
Post by: SuTeKH/Epyteor on 10:43, 21 July 20
No, no, no, no, no, no, no! Please! Don't do a show full of my abominations (https://rolandradio.net/shows/12)! Use the time for a proper musician; Jason C Brooke, Tiny Williams, Dave Rogers or anyone... basically!

Really! No-one wants a whole hour of ear-piercing rubbish from me!
Title: Re: Creating new Shows - i need your suggestions
Post by: TotO on 10:56, 21 July 20
"The Dave Rogers Hits Hour", I'm thinking about that last week because we have currently 66mn of his music, and 90% are hits.

EDIT: Hey! Just remove Zynaps!!!  ;D  (joke)
Title: Re: Creating new Shows - i need your suggestions
Post by: RolandRadio on 20:25, 21 July 20
No, no, no, no, no, no, no! Please! Don't do a show full of my abominations (https://rolandradio.net/shows/12)! Use the time for a proper musician; Jason C Brooke, Tiny Williams, Dave Rogers or anyone... basically!

Really! No-one wants a whole hour of ear-piercing rubbish from me!


I like it. It’s playing at the moment.
Title: Re: Creating new Shows - i need your suggestions
Post by: SuTeKH/Epyteor on 14:46, 23 July 20
I like it. It’s playing at the moment.
I have just over 24 hours of converted (and some original) abominations of sound.
Trust me, after a few weeks you will be trying to gouge your own ears out with a blunt spoon! ^_^
Title: Re: Creating new Shows - i need your suggestions
Post by: Targhan on 16:30, 23 July 20
Quote
I have just over 24 hours of converted (and some original) abominations of sound.

I personally like most of your songs, don't be ashamed of them :).

Two things:
- Are they are recorded on the real hardware? This is important to me.
- This is debatable and no one may agree with me, but I think we should limit music (I didn't say remove) that is not from released productions (games, demos, music disk). Basically, I believe that a lot of the charms of the radio comes from music you heard, or can be heard, on released productions. Memory is important. Maybe that's just me? Basically, I think the radio shouldn't broadcast too much conversions. We already heard them before...
Title: Re: Creating new Shows - i need your suggestions
Post by: RolandRadio on 17:34, 23 July 20
I have just over 24 hours of converted (and some original) abominations of sound.
Trust me, after a few weeks you will be trying to gouge your own ears out with a blunt spoon! ^_^


As artists only shows are only twice a week the more titles we have the More Variation will be. One show is played in the morning. One in <thenevening to reach also listeners in different time zones.
Title: Re: Creating new Shows - i need your suggestions
Post by: SuTeKH/Epyteor on 13:34, 24 July 20
As artists only shows are only twice a week the more titles we have the More Variation will be. One show is played in the morning. One in <thenevening to reach also listeners in different time zones.
I appreciate that, it's just that artists like McKlain (https://rolandradio.net/artists/byname/McKlain), Jason C Brooke (https://rolandradio.net/artists/byname/Jason%20C.%20Brooke) and Tiny Williams (https://rolandradio.net/artists/byname/Tiny%20Williams) are getting close to the 1:30:00 threshold. I, personally, would prefer to hear their original tunes than my abominations (I have an AYEmul playlist so I can listen to them all whenever, anyway! ^_^)

The last thing I would want to see is 90% artist shows and 10% random (proper) radio! Again, a personal opinion, but I much prefer the random radio and tend to switch off for an hour or so during artist shows!
Title: Re: Creating new Shows - i need your suggestions
Post by: RolandRadio on 17:33, 24 July 20
I also prefer the random or the underrated shows. But some users liked the artist only. And due to the threshold of 1:30 it’s not getting toooo much. Most of the better known artists are played in the top 15 show anyway
Title: Re: Creating new Shows - i need your suggestions
Post by: BSC on 22:11, 09 August 20
I think it would be great to have a show "Newest tunes", playing only tunes that have just recently added to the database.

Like the ones currently on your FTP server ;-)

And maybe a show for "underrated" tunes, if that does not already exist.. Anyway I think newer tunes should got more
exposure like those that are part of any regular show like the charts or the artists-related ones.

PS: Why on earth does the editor widget add \[font=Verdana\] tags to my stuff?

Title: Re: Creating new Shows - i need your suggestions
Post by: Targhan on 13:31, 10 August 20
>I think it would be great to have a show "Newest tunes"
Good idea, or "tunes from recent games" (but would represent a huge amount of work, as title aren't related to a year yet, to my knowledge).

... Is it me, or the web-player only streams Mono at a fairly low quality? Maybe offer more streaming choice?
Title: Re: Creating new Shows - i need your suggestions
Post by: seanb on 13:46, 10 August 20
Have a show that plays the chip tune versions of real songs or TV and film themes found in Amstrad games.


Copyright willing.
Title: Re: Creating new Shows - i need your suggestions
Post by: villain on 13:58, 10 August 20
Have a show that plays the chip tune versions of real songs or TV and film themes found in Amstrad games.


Copyright willing.
That's what I already intended some years ago... ;-)
Title: Re: Creating new Shows - i need your suggestions
Post by: Targhan on 14:30, 11 August 20
The "Dizzy special" is nice, but the same song keeps playing again. Either find a better random algorithm (which discards the already played song), or shorten the show to half an hour?
Title: Re: Creating new Shows - i need your suggestions
Post by: RolandRadio on 18:49, 12 August 20
The Show is only half an hour if i remember the settings right. Problem is that even the dizzy brothers dont have any more original amstrad cpc songs than we do on RR itself. But i migth check the settings once more and maybe we can do two half-hour-shows right behind each other.

Title: Re: Creating new Shows - i need your suggestions
Post by: SuTeKH/Epyteor on 12:20, 16 August 20
The Show is only half an hour if i remember the settings right. Problem is that even the dizzy brothers dont have any more original amstrad cpc songs than we do on RR itself. But i migth check the settings once more and maybe we can do two half-hour-shows right behind each other.
May I make a suggestion for your second 30-minute show;
DAVE ROGERS TUNES!
There is just over 1-hour of his music, so why not play half of them! ^_^
Title: Re: Creating new Shows - i need your suggestions
Post by: RolandRadio on 12:25, 16 August 20
Artist only shows should be one hour. And so we need a minimum of 1:30 of material
Title: Re: Creating new Shows - i need your suggestions
Post by: SuTeKH/Epyteor on 15:14, 16 August 20
Maybe so, but surely a 30-minute show of DAVE ROGERS' music is better than no DAVE ROGERS show! ^_^
Title: Re: Creating new Shows - i need your suggestions
Post by: BSC on 22:07, 16 August 20
Artist only shows should be one hour. And so we need a minimum of 1:30 of material

Why not shorter shows? One hour is pretty long anyways. 30 mins would be just fine, I think.
Again - if you live by the claim that RR is supposed to be a community:

Why don't you poll your users on decisions like this instead of just fixing things the way you like them?
Title: Re: Creating new Shows - i need your suggestions
Post by: RolandRadio on 22:25, 16 August 20
Radio automation software Works with hours per definition because of news Jingles time announcements ans so on. Technology has nothing to do with voting rights.
Title: Re: Creating new Shows - i need your suggestions
Post by: SuTeKH/Epyteor on 11:09, 17 August 20
So... why not upgrade "The DIZZY Show" to "the OLIVER TWINS Show", incorporating all of the other amazing Code Masters games, as well! Thus making it an hour show again! -yay-
Title: Re: Creating new Shows - i need your suggestions
Post by: RolandRadio on 12:03, 19 August 20
Thats a good idea
Title: Re: Creating new Shows - i need your suggestions
Post by: BSC on 20:22, 21 August 20
One thing about the schedule: Sometimes, two or even three shows are played in a row. I think it would be nicer to have one or even two hours of pure Roland in-between.
Title: Re: Creating new Shows - i need your suggestions
Post by: RolandRadio on 17:26, 26 August 20
The reason for that is the freetime of people potentially listeing to the shows. once oin the morging and 12 jhours later again.


But i will rethink the arrangement and maybe spread it more wide across the week itself and reduce shows .