We have now created a Top10 and Flop10 Chart on RolandRadio based on your ratings.
Check it out on: https://rolandradio.net/titles/charts (https://rolandradio.net/titles/charts)
And RATE!!!!
Based on this charts we plan to do a weekly "top hits and flop hits" on RolandRadio. So you can listen for an full hour to the worst Amstrad CPC music. Isn't this great? One hour full of BSC-music? :-)
Fun :). Seems to work fine, I tried to vote several times, only my latest vote was taken in account (worth a try :)).
Quote from: Targhan on 20:02, 09 April 20
Fun :) . Seems to work fine, I tried to vote several times, only my latest vote was taken in account (worth a try :) ).
In the first RolandRadio running on Wordpress it was possible to vote multiple times on the same track to up- or downvote something (BSC downvoting my tracks, i upvoting his...) - so i've learned my lessons well :-)
We have rebuild the RolandRadio-Charts. They are now generated every Monday night. and they also automatically generate the Chart-Show for the current week.
https://rolandradio.net/titles/charts (https://rolandradio.net/titles/charts)
Quote from: RolandRadio on 12:37, 08 June 20
We have rebuild the RolandRadio-Charts. They are now generated every Monday night. and they also automatically generate the Chart-Show for the current week.
https://rolandradio.net/titles/charts (https://rolandradio.net/titles/charts)
Meh! Now I have to down-vote your tracks every week.. Do you know how much work that is? There are literally thousands of tunes by you.
I bet you did that on purpose!
I have a script for downvoting. I can sell it.
About downvotes, it looks not fair to see 99% of the @SuTeKH/Epyteor (https://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=466) and @Targhan (https://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=110) music systematically ratted 1-star by someone.
Quote from: TotO on 08:22, 23 June 20
About downvotes, it looks not fair to see 99% of the @SuTeKH/Epyteor (https://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=466) and @Targhan (https://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=110) music systematically ratted 1-star by someone.
It's always nice to have fans(!) *grrrr*
I dont know how to "fix" downvoting issues as i can not claim if a voting was done because someone doesnt like the music or why he choose to set 1 star rating.
What i can do to minimize the only for fun-votings with 5/1 stars is to show at an title details page those usernames who have voted 5 star and who have votes 1 star. Kind of "Enthusiasts"-List but only for 1 and 5 - so the ratings stay anonymous between those extremes.
The other thing is i only can allow voting to memebrs which has payed a fee to enable this feature - but this seems to be too rude and ratings will decrese as not very much people like to pay for anything in this world.
I dont know how to handle those extreme up/down-votes yet but i am working on some concepts. Maybe some of you have some nice ideas?
Quote from: BSC on 16:09, 18 June 20
Meh! Now I have to down-vote your tracks every week.. Do you know how much work that is? There are literally thousands of tunes by you.
I bet you did that on purpose!
To find your Titles more easy for downvoting all titles that has ever reached the Top-50 are not marked yellow.
QuoteAbout downvotes, it looks not fair to see 99% of the @SuTeKH/Epyteor (https://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=466) and @Targhan (https://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=110) music systematically ratted 1-star by someone.
Well, if @SuTeKH/Epyteor (https://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=466) stops downvoting me, I'll stop downvoting him!! :)
Just kidding. Not always easy to prevent this. Maybe by preventing putting too many low rating if the user didn't put any higher rating before?
For example, Rate-1 is authorized if you have three "points", which are acquired when you rate-3... I don't know, just an idea. These points would be internal and not shown.
This specific user who downvotes Sutekh rates normally all values between 1 and 5 and for almost every title on rolandradio but not scripted. Ratings start from 11th mai up to 20th june. so he logs in every now and then and rates titles. nothing suspicious there. maybe he just dont like nice melodies cause to his death metal affinity :-) Or he is a so called Hasenbergl
I think you can't do much about _any_ specific voting behaviour as long as it is within the lines of what is possible. Vote all tunes 1 star? My business. Vote all tunes 5 stars? The same. Anything in between: rinse and repeat. It seems rude, though, if one person seems to be systematically down-vote another person, but as Sutekh is generally a creator of great tunes, that should not bother him or anyone else much. And I strongly believe we should not pay too much attention or even come up with a technical "solution" (which will always have flaws, as we are dealing with the chaotic nature of human behavior) to this kind of behavior. That would cast too much attention on trolling (if that's the case here) and as we all know: don't feed em! (they always want moar)
A technical solution would be that a user cannot give more than five 1-star-votings to the titles of a single artist. After that, the 1-star-voting would be blocked. But that would mean that I would not be able to do any more voting at BSC, for example.
if ($count >= 1 and $count <= 5) {
$artist['awardimage'] = '/rolandradio_layout/illustrations/record-bronze.png';
$artist['awardimageinfo'] = 'Bronze record for up to 5 chart hits.';
$artist['awardcolor'] = '#da804e, #c36a43';
}
:-X
You should not post my sources if you see them through an error during me coding live on the RolandRadio homepage because my dev computer is too slow to process those requests local :-)
Sad BSC.... i am Silver-Record-Owner :-)
https://rolandradio.net/artists/byname/Kangaroo%20MusiQue (https://rolandradio.net/artists/byname/Kangaroo%20MusiQue)
https://rolandradio.net/artists/byname/BSC (https://rolandradio.net/artists/byname/BSC)
You can provide some informations about yourself.. if you know them :D
QuoteA technical solution would be that a user cannot give more than five 1-star-votings to the titles of a single artist.
No, because "unknown artist" is... a lot of artists!
But I kinda agree with BSC, don't bother too much...
Small bug: in the artist page, the "chart hit" only sums up the chart hit on THIS page, not on all the author's tune.
Thank you for this information - Bug is fixed :-)
In the track page (ie where the detailed ratings appear) you could show who-voted-what whenever you hover over one of the star ratings. A bit like when you look at who has "thumbed-up" posts here!
PROS: You can see who the active users are and what they have voted. It might even deter troll-voting.
CONS: It might increase the number of fake accounts used to downvote anonymously! Also, it might deter people from voting truthfully or even at all! I mean, someone has voted Zynaps (https://rolandradio.net/titles/11497) as a 1-Star! WTF? I hope they are ashamed of themselves! If they were named-and-shamed then hopefully they would change their vote to a 5-Star as the tune deserves!
Sure, rating 1-star Zynaps is a nice joke... Can it receive less than 5-star? :-\ ;D
I think that peoples votes in personal, but agree that as "like / unlike" we may have:
5 = TOP "users"
1 = FLOP "users"
Because, at less for me, it is not a problem to speak about what I love and what I hate into a music.
Others rate can change depending if the sun shine or not... 2<->3<->4 so it is personal and not revelating.
About fake account, it is possible to detect and lock, delete, ... them I think.
As i soon want to set up some "user detail" page as a profile page for each user i will think about to provide the information of random 10 items of 5-star votings and 1-star votings on the users page. So i can visit Targhans profile, see some informations he want to provide and also see the "i really like"-5-star-titles (10 of them) ans also a "My ears bleed"-1-star-titles (also 10 of them) - so maybe thats a nice feature.
I also can implement such a "real lovers"-5-star-list of users or "maipulative twats"-1-star-ranking-list on the title detail page.
:-)
I will think about that.
As can already be seen in this short thread, thinking too much about the voting behavior of others is misleading and makes people fight about things that should be ones own business. There's too much fighting on the internet already. And commenting on voting behavior of others, think of YouTube for example: A video can have 2 million thumbs up, but still (too) many comments deal with the few down votes in a not always constructive way. So much that I sometimes wish they would not show down votes explicitly - like in one down vote cancelling one up vote. So, pretty please, Kangaroo, don't make the votes of your users something to fight about. What I love others may hate, and even if someone gives 1 star to my all-time-favorite, I don't really care. I might not understand (obviously), but that should really REALLY not be something to judge or even question.
Roland Radio has around 50 registered users. I think that I know more than half of them personally, because it is more a "CPC friend" radio than a youtube channels with millions of unknown users of Facebook page with "accepted" friends. In this way and spirit, I think that is more annoying when someone come to the party because he doesn't like you... The rating system allows to have our favorite charts and help peoples to easy find "good" CPC musics. In my case, I was able to found music that I was not able to ear since 30 years ago, so thank you very much for the RR work. When peoples only register to destroy quality music ratings, I don't see that like an unlike on social networks.
Quote from: TotO on 08:22, 23 June 20
About downvotes, it looks not fair to see 99% of the @SuTeKH/Epyteor (https://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=466) and @Targhan (https://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=110) music systematically ratted 1-star by someone.
It just occured to me that I might actually have - at least partly - to do with that! I voted some jingles with 1 star.
This was meant as a way of protesting against the inclusion of jingles (or sound effects), as I am strongly opposed
to including those in general. This has nothing to do with who made them.
Anything shorter than maybe 20 to 30 seconds should not be included IMO. As a guideline you could try to come
up with other demo scene or game music radio stations that do include jingles and such. AFAIK: zero.
Quote from: BSC on 13:24, 27 June 20
It just occured to me that I might actually have - at least partly - to do with that! I voted some jingles with 1 star.
If I'm not wrong, you can't rate a jingle on Roland Radio.
Quote from: BSC on 13:24, 27 June 20Anything shorter than maybe 20 to 30 seconds should not be included IMO. As a guideline you could try to come up with other demo scene or game music radio stations that do include jingles and such. AFAIK: zero.
Yes, it is not really interesting to listed "game over" tracks from games OST. The question remain: Does the OST have to be cut from the shortest tracks? I think they have to be included into the Roland Radio database, but not played.
I really don't understand why you don't want <30s music. There are plenty of excellent ones. There are also excellent jingles (and there aren't many jingles). It's a radio, just listen to it, don't bother whether the song is 5 seconds or 7 mns long, as long as it's musical!
In my opinion, we would clearly be missing something without them. But I agree that, maybe, such short songs could have a replay frequency inferior to longer music.
I have nothing against short music, but it is sometime something special to listen outside an OST context.
Solution found :-)
https://rolandradio.net/titles/11553 (https://rolandradio.net/titles/11553)
A small improvement: when opening the mini-player, the new window is too small vertically, and the player is not visible. Maybe increase the default size (if possible??). Or maybe this is browser related (I'm using Vivaldi)?
I have an JavaScript which resizes the MiniPlayer. But infam reworking it to fit the modern mobile first aspects. So maybe then the resizing is better.
Quote from: BSC on 13:24, 27 June 20
It just occured to me that I might actually have - at least partly - to do with that! I voted some jingles with 1 star.
This was meant as a way of protesting against the inclusion of jingles (or sound effects), as I am strongly opposed
to including those in general. This has nothing to do with who made them.
Anything shorter than maybe 20 to 30 seconds should not be included IMO. As a guideline you could try to come
up with other demo scene or game music radio stations that do include jingles and such. AFAIK: zero.
As a completist, I like the idea of having smaller tunes alongside the larger ones (some of them too large, perhaps!) They are Amstrad tunes, afterall and deserve to be included in an Amstrad radio station! Also, it means you get to enjoy more tunes on a daily basis! >1000 a day, infact! ^_^
@RolandRadio (https://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=2272)
It might be a good idea to add some extra infos to the tunes! You already have "made or composed by", but (and I guess I'm speaking personally here as a 99% tune conversionalist*) how about adding an "original tune by" line. This could be something the artist can update (if not already) when the tune editing feature is up and running!
* Totally made up word! Apologies if this does not translate at all!
Quote from: SuTeKH/Epyteor on 06:56, 07 July 20
It might be a good idea to add some extra infos to the tunes! You already have "made or composed by", but (and I guess I'm speaking personally here as a 99% tune conversionalist*) how about adding an "original tune by" line. This could be something the artist can update (if not already) when the tune editing feature is up and running!
I am planning this since a few months and want to extend the database table for the titles to a large information base for each title. But i need some more time. At the beginning it would not be possible to edit data on your own but i also plan that a RR-User can claim an Artist so he will be able to edit all informations on his own titles to clear things out :-)
Quote from: SuTeKH/Epyteor on 06:56, 07 July 20
As a completist, I like the idea of having smaller tunes alongside the larger ones (some of them too large, perhaps!) They are Amstrad tunes, afterall and deserve to be included in an Amstrad radio station! Also, it means you get to enjoy more tunes on a daily basis! >1000 a day, infact! ^_^
Smaller tunes would probably be ok, they are still tunes. I think I got disturbed by some jingles or even sound effects. Not sure if they are really on RR of I just dreamed that up, though :D
Either way, sound effects or small jingles (<5 sec) are still a no-no for me. Apart from that I like how RR has evolved recently.
Quote from: BSC on 18:50, 09 July 20
Smaller tunes would probably be ok, they are still tunes. I think I got disturbed by some jingles or even sound effects. Not sure if they are really on RR of I just dreamed that up, though :D
On closer inspection there seems to be a few users who do not appreciate the smaller tune! Lots of 1-Star-Reviews on RR! So, maybe
I'M in the minority here! ^_^
However, I have to admit that I'm definitely at fault, too; my HYPER PRINCESS PITCH (GAME OVER) (https://rolandradio.net/titles/13064) conversion is basically a sound-effect... and it's only about 6 seconds long, so there are 11 seconds of silence on the RR track I uploaded! I guess truncating silence is something I am not aware of! Until now! ^_^ Mucho apologies!
Quote from: BSC on 18:50, 09 July 20
Either way, sound effects or small jingles (<5 sec) are still a no-no for me. Apart from that I like how RR has evolved recently.
Fair enough, but (for me) this tune (https://rolandradio.net/titles/11838) invokes too many great memories (and frustrations) and deserves to be included in the RR archives!
Also, should we include all of the level jingles as well for HoH?
Rating is about judging the quality of a song, not how much we want to hear it! I think it's bad to vote jingle down only because you want to decrease the replay rate. That's the job of the radio player to make shorter music come less often.
I like short music, way more than the "Hi this is XXX, and you're listening to RR"... It's music!
But, this is my opinion only, I also think it's not great to have top-songs played more often. The whole interest of the radio is also to discover new tunes, which is why I continue recording them (by the way, a new big batch is going to be uploaded, maybe in a week or two!).
Quote from: Targhan on 16:41, 10 July 20
I also think it's not great to have top-songs played more often. The whole interest of the radio is also to discover new tunes, which is why I continue recording them (by the way, a new big batch is going to be uploaded, maybe in a week or two!).
We have set up some shows as people asked for "high rated music" to be played more often. So thats the reason why we play the Top-Charts twice a day. I am thinking to reduce this to all uneven days of the week or so or twice a week. I dont know. have to check how to do this to bring the show up to al people around all timezones. as some canadians are listening to rolandradio as well as some french and people from russia. So i have to take care of the playlout times to spread them over the different hours. So the shows are all played twice a day with a difference of 12 hours.
I also added a "underrated" show last week where we play all titles less than 5 votes from the users to bring them more often on the radio.
You can check the broadcast scheduler for more details.
https://rolandradio.net/aboutus/broadcast (https://rolandradio.net/aboutus/broadcast)There will be more optimation over time i think. but i need more feedback to make good decisions :-)Thank you for your great work!
Is there a reason/logic why a user can't listen to the entire tune from the charts page? It'd be nice to be able to listen to the entirety of the top (or even bottom) ones...
Quote from: Gryzor on 14:22, 14 July 20
Is there a reason/logic why a user can't listen to the entire tune from the charts page? It'd be nice to be able to listen to the entirety of the top (or even bottom) ones...
Its called "supportive membership" :-) Registered User only can listen for 20 seconds to 32 kBit/s. as people normally should listen to the stream and vote for those music they hear live on the station. But to "remember" the tune there is this short pre-listening-mp3. Users with Level 2 and above can listen to etter quality and full length
There is a info-page:
https://rolandradio.net/participate/membership (https://rolandradio.net/participate/membership)If you have lievel 2 or higher you get 192 kbIt/s full length and download
Ah, but it was not clear the 20-second limit applied to the Charts page. It says, "can get a 20 second preview of each title in really lousy 32 kBit/s quality" but I can actually go into the song's page and listen to it to its entirety (even if still capped at 32kbps).
Quote from: Gryzor on 08:43, 15 July 20
Ah, but it was not clear the 20-second limit applied to the Charts page. It says, "can get a 20 second preview of each title in really lousy 32 kBit/s quality" but I can actually go into the song's page and listen to it to its entirety (even if still capped at 32kbps).
Yes. you can listen at the detail page to the full 32 kBit/s-title. But this also expands to 192kbit/s after entering Level 2 :-)
I've upgraded you this morning. Thank you.
Quote from: Targhan on 16:41, 10 July 20also think it's not great to have top-songs played more often.
We have reduced the Chart-Show to once a day and mutual to each day. You can find the new scheduler here: https://rolandradio.net/aboutus/broadcast
Is the "dizzy special" so important it has to be played every day?
Are there "Ben Daglish / Tom & Jerry / Whittaker etc." specials scheduled once a week like "before"?
Quote from: Targhan on 12:46, 15 July 20
Is the "dizzy special" so important it has to be played every day?
Are there "Ben Daglish / Tom & Jerry / Whittaker etc." specials scheduled once a week like "before"?
Dizzy is played every second day. Shall i add the "artists only" again?
i try to play all shows that way that a canadian or an australian CPC user also can listen to the shows at a normal time :) So thats the reason why all show are played twice a day with a difference of 12 hours. as the CHarts played every day i flipped the second playout per day and zig-zagged the schedule of this show every day. to have it more even :)
Shall i add the "artists only" again?
I admit I liked those!
Quote from: Targhan on 16:41, 10 July 20
Rating is about judging the quality of a song, not how much we want to hear it! I think it's bad to vote jingle down only because you want to decrease the replay rate. That's the job of the radio player to make shorter music come less often.
Rating is perfectly subjective, as are the reasons to like or dislike a song (or any piece of audio).
And of course I rate songs higher if I enjoy hearing them and vice versa.
I think it is a bad idea to include jingles and I reserve my right to be highly offended by their sheer existence in the RR database.
Quote from: Targhan on 12:46, 15 July 20
Is the "dizzy special" so important it has to be played every day?
Are there "Ben Daglish / Tom & Jerry / Whittaker etc." specials scheduled once a week like "before"?
A thought about the community aspect of RR. And I take your word there, as you state right on the homepage that you aim at building a community :)
I would very much prefer if you polled your users before making far reaching changes to schedules or any central aspect of the site.
And I would love to hear other peoples thoughts on that. And your, of course ;-)
Quote from: BSC on 19:27, 15 July 20
Rating is perfectly subjective, as are the reasons to like or dislike a song (or any piece of audio).
And of course I rate songs higher if I enjoy hearing them and vice versa.
I think it is a bad idea to include jingles and I reserve my right to be highly offended by their sheer existence in the RR database.
I second what de Kölsche said. But I'm too lazy for voting jingles...
Quote from: Targhan on 18:47, 15 July 20I admit I liked those!
https://rolandradio.net/shows/5 (https://rolandradio.net/shows/5)
:-)
First of a lot :D
I won't create a new thread for this, but I'd like to thank @megachur (https://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=2838) for his music rips, which allowed me to record more than 200 music very quickly (well... quicker than if I had to run all the prods/games by myself).
Thanks again!
I have just noticed a few of my converted-abominations on RR that I did not upload. They seem to be a lot shorter than they should be... is someone trying to tell me something? ^_^
I uploaded a few recently, I took care to respect their length. Give me their ID and I can tell you if it was me. If that's the case, I can correct them.
Normally we want a title to play to th first loop of the audio (if one exists) and then about 20 seconds of the repetition to fade out
Quote from: RolandRadio on 14:59, 15 July 20Dizzy is played every second day. Shall i add the "artists only" again?
I really think you should poll your users on things like that. Before changing them. Because shows in particular have a huge impact on how RR is perceived (at least by me)
Generally speaking I am a bit with Targhan here: I would rather hear unknown tunes more often than listening to the same stuff again and again (if I want that, I can go to directly to the
artist or song page), like the artist shows. Especially, when there are 2 or 3 of them in a row..
So: How do YOU feel about including OUR input in structuring the broadcast schedule (for a start)?
Quote from: RolandRadio on 11:46, 17 July 20
Normally we want a title to play to th first loop of the audio (if one exists) and then about 20 seconds of the repetition to fade out
Another idea: Short tunes (below 1 Minute) could repeat once (or twice) before fading out,
so that we end up with fewer tunes below maybe 90 seconds..
Quote from: BSC on 08:19, 26 August 20So: How do YOU feel about including OUR input in structuring the broadcast schedule (for a start)?
Silence speaks louder than words ..
Stupidity is awesome.
Before there is light there must be darkness
Two of us are greater than a duo
My dog is weak.
Quote from: RolandRadio on 18:36, 06 September 20Stupidity is awesome.
you know your way around that .. :D