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--[[User:TFM|TFM]] 18:38, 1 March 2010 (UTC)==Questions...Background informations ==
:First you canOkay, then I't compare SymbOS and FutureOSll try asking here. They're too different and therefore I use them bothBtw.:Software for FutureOS is availabe in before messing with the Yahoo-Group, where you can download it.:And yesfutureos page, I try tried to support nearly all hardware for the CPC. Ok, some is still missing, contact you elsewhere - but this will change soon I hope.:About features: Ok, I haventhat didn't finished work - the new documentation in english. But if I look at other projects, I have link to believeyour webpage was broken, so believe me the email address was broken, and the "futureos hardware" thread last week in the forum didn't get too.:That would much replies either, it only be fairsounded as if nobody knows what hardware you are referring to.:So that's why I have no time to explain added the 126th time where some support function isunclear portions. read the manualAnyways, can you check the new version coming soonquestions in forum? http://cpcwiki.eu/forum/index.php/topic,562.0.html - nocash
:Greets to all honest CPC sceners,:TFM :: Please try to keep your tone down. I'm letting this here as an example of what NOT to say. RTFM is NOT part of the language that will be tolerated here, if we want to keep a flame war out of our wiki; so please keep this in mind. And please don't jump to conclusions - several users still do not know about signing their entries! It seems to me the original poster was more positive than negative, so you could try and calmly answer to his questions, otherwise there's no reason in replying at all. This is NOT a debate room, and fights will NOT ('''NOT!''') be welcome here. You do not need to be apologetic (as you are in a couple of points) about anything that FutureOS may be lacking, since it's a wonderful system anyhow, but also taking it to problems with the other extreme doesn't exactly help things either. ::Best regardsweb page, ::[[User:Gryzor|Gryzor]] 16:02, 10 August 2006 (CEST) :::RTFM means Read The Futureos Manual, so where is well the problem? That guy (without name) provider is allowed to vandalish my text? Why don't you stop him? :::AnyhowCMO , and why don't talk about something other very unfair. At the left side, below "the present" there is a line for SymbOS, why not FutueOS. I would like to please you to insert that line. :::Greets:::TFM ::::Can we please stop hiding behind our finger? We all know what RTFM means, so please drop it. I assume almost everyone here is of at least average IQ... As I said, this languages is NOT permitted on board. -) What's more, what do you mean about that guy being allowed else to vandalise your text? What did he vandalise? What should I stop? I think there might be a big misunderstanding heresay... Anyhow, about the SIdebar, I don't think it's 'very unfair', as I've explained before. FutureOS may be indeed very, very nice a project and I find myself playing with it the whole time, but SymbOS, with the existing Symbiface, has long ago reached critical mass and is very impressive and popular, that's why it had its own link. This is NOT an issue of 'put my project up there along with the others', it's trying to organise things in a better way. In any case, the Sidebar was changed a lot, I'm going to look into it... [[User:Gryzor|Gryzor]] 08:16, 11 August 2006 (CEST) :That's something, which came to my mind very often! We should change the "SymbOS" link in the left menu to "Operating Systems". Then we can have a list of OSs for the CPC customer there. It would be a better entry point! --[[User:Octoate|Octoate]] 20:40, 10 August 2006 (CEST) ::Hm, I don't know. In this case you have just due to place all categories from the "serious software" articel in the sidebar. -- [[User:Prodatron|Prodatron]] 21:00some sentimental reasons, 10 August 2006 (CEST) :::Argh... ;) --[[User:Octoate|Octoate]] 21:24, 10 August 2006 (CEST) == What's about respecting some rules? == As this is not Wikipedia but our own scene CPCWiki, I wouldn't like to force the articles to follow strict rules, but at least the following two rules should be respected by everyone:* no advertisment-like phrases* no false information The following parts in this article should be removed and replaced in a section like "possible plans for the future":* IDE support (mentioned several times, and first I mixed v8 with v9, but as it should only be a possible part because of v9 [and now even v8 isn't released], it will not be implemented before 2007 or later, right?)* CPC Booster support (you can't call an entry in the port monitor "support")* Multi tasking (I couldn't find any references)If I am wrong, excellent service and these features are already implemented in FutureOS and ready for download, please provide us a link. Some other parts should also be removed:pricing * One-drive restriction of other OSs (nearly every OS can do this, even Amsdos allows drive letters in a path)coffing* Advertisment-like phrases (e.gAnd yes my tfm@futureos. "FutureOS de email is for programmers who want to use the CPC at its limits" and other ones; these should be better placed on broken too. However a homepage but not in a Wiki)-- [[User:Prodatron|Prodatron]] 00:05, 9 August 2006 (CEST) :I sense a scene fight coming on, I'm afraidPM here will always work... I do not wish to take For any part in it, especially since I do not know anything about the common history kind of projects, but discussions I hope it stays off would suggest also the wiki!::WellFutureOS yahoo group, in general it is quite easy to follow some necessary rules, so I am not afraid about fights. -- [[User:Prodatron|Prodatron]] 10:24, 9 August 2006 (CEST) :I'll have to agree with some of Prodatron's remarks. The article needs heavy editing (I have altered several points myself, more is needed) so as to not appear as because a commercial for FutureOS but more like an objective article. Also, at points it becomes more lot of a manual than an article on the OS itself. :That said, even in Symbiface people can answer there was the phrase: ''It provides nearly everything you need to change your CPC into a powerful work station!'' which is more of the same :)::Yes, that's righttoo. I think someone just copied & pasted this from Further the homepage ;) -- [[User:Prodatron|Prodatron]] 10:24, 9 August 2006 (CEST) :To get back to Prodatron's remarks, if his points are valid the article should be corrected. If ''system .9'', as it Wiki is called in the article, indeed refers to FutureOS v9 then I also think that it should be re-written, especially since not even v8 has been released (really looking forward to it!). :In generalcomplete, which means I would urge '''ALL''' contributors who are also developers, to try own CPC hardware and keep their usual enthusiasm (read: ego ;) ) at a low, since we are trying to do an objective work and not promote one or the other product... Thanks! [[User:Gryzor|Gryzor]] 09:47, 9 August 2006 (CEST) I have cleaned up the whole artice, removed advertisment-like phrases, re-wrote sentences that sounded too much like advertising and thigthened the language. Articles should contain no false or biased statements in any form. Keep support it clearwith FutureOS, true, neutral and objective. This is what I tried to accomplish when editing this article.- 2006-08-09; Gwildor -:Thanks for your effort Gwildor! The article looks a bit more polished now. --[[User:Octoate|Octoate]] 14:07, 9 August 2006 (CEST) I think the maximum file size currently is 512KB (19bit). I couldnbut you won't find any possibilities to load data from files, which are bigger than 512KB. Why is 16MB/24bit mentioned it in the article? Also a planned feature for the future? -- [[User:Prodatron|Prodatron]] 17:02, 9 August 2006 (CEST) The maximum file-size depends on the free space on disc-hard-disc or it is limited by a 24 Bit file-length code. Just look at the manual. You can use routines like TEILA or TEISI to load or save files greater then 576 KB. TFM == Looks good now == Thanx to everybodys' effort the article looks a lot better Wiki now. I wouldn't call "CPC Booster support" like thisAnother point, but who cares. What's about summarising some very small sections and maybe removing some user-manual-like sentences? -- [[User:Prodatron|Prodatron]] 17:44, 10 August 2006 (CEST):Sumarised all sections which contained only 1 or 2 sentences and removed the FioLib text in its own article. -- [[User:Prodatron|Prodatron]] 19:16, 10 August 2006 (CEST) Thank you for your excellent help. TFM == Protection == This part of the discussion has been deleted; please do not roll back. The reason I deleted it is because it turned into a flame, and also because some people do not understand how to format their edits by using semi-colons to keep the thread flow easy to understand. As a result it was a flame that was very hard to follow. I will just keep the following: The article will remain locked for the time being. Itdon's really unfortunate that events are taking such a turn, at a time when the wiki is expanding at a good rate, which means that someone will have to keep an eye on all that is being written. Let's see if the discussion cools down a bit, then decide. That said, the initial article and subsequent edits were nothing less than shameless plugs for FutureOS. If you want to publish a plug, put it on your Profile page -- '''provided you create one''' and that you do not post anonymously! Why is it so darn hard to understand this??? [[User:Gryzor|Gryzor]] 19:42, 29 August 2006 (CEST) How to plug for something, which costs no money? :: I can also get different religions for free, nevertheless I want that someone tells t expect me in a fundamentalistic way why his religion is best. The fact that something is free doesn´t mean that the wiki rules don´t have to be respected. ::: Right! So respect your own rules. Maybe in the article wasn't ideal for wiki at first. But better an article forum that could be corrected than nothing to read. And the comparison about religion is very low under my level. == Flaming == Will it be possibleoften, to stop flaming around that future os thing? I hate it to see people fighting for nothing :DSo maybe it will be the best to protect the whole article and the talk-area to stop annoying and useless posts from both parties [[User:Kangaroo|Kangaroo MusiQue of HJT]] 14:06, 5 September 2006 (CEST) : Well, but who started the flaming? ;-)) [http://www.cpcwiki.eu/index.php?title=Talk:FutureOS&oldid=2154], [http://www.cpcwiki.eu/index.php?title=Talk:FutureOS&diff=4395&oldid=4393] I think at least the talk page shouldn't be protected, otherwise I am afraid, that it will continue on the general discussion page. -- [[User:Prodatron|Prodatron]] 15:02, 5 September 2006 (CEST) :: :-) It was just my first reaction on the original-article as i read it. And that where logical questions, after reading an advertisement-text on the wiki for a "ultimate OS" with the best-features around, wich doesnt exist anyway in this form :) [[User:Kangaroo|Kangaroo MusiQue of HJT]] 20:31, 5 September 2006 (CEST) : Yes the flaming is stupid. That's why the article was locked, but researcher I think that talk pages should really rarely be locked... indeed, if one wants, it's very difficult, if not impossible, m glad to keep them from flaming one way or have some time for the other. [[User:Gryzor|Gryzor]] 17:25, 5 September 2006 (CEST) : You (Kangaroo) and Rode start the flamingCPC at all. So you BOTH have to stop it. Nobody else is flaming around. TFM:: So that is NOT true.. i just mentioned, that future os must please be a very great thing and much better than other OSses around, cause your text telled me, that FOS supports any device plugged in without needing a driver and so on. As Rode has written, that he has tried to work with FOS and found things out that arent true within your advertisement text, and after his new FOSuggestion-article looks much better than the original from TFM, i personally think, that i shall call you Monster-Marketing-Machinae (MMM) to keep the traditions :-) [[User:Kangaroo|Kangaroo MusiQue of HJT]] 08:02, 8 September 2006 (CEST) == Unlocking the FutureOS article == Since many changes have been introcuced in this article, which arenpatient if something isn't true, this article should be unlocked again - answered quick or at least for me, the originatior of FutureOS. [[TFM]] :: The Problem about that is, that YOU arent telling the truth about the features of your OS and make the article an advertisement. So IMHO its better to let others write about the FOS, so its more near reality :-) Nothing personal against you, but it looks like, that you are a bit to enthusiastic with your own shit :) [[User:Kangaroo|Kangaroo MusiQue of HJT]] 19:25, 5 September 2006 (CEST)::: Stop! I must admit that the first version of the article was a copy of an article I wrote for an english papermag, because I had not the time to do all the work again. But I NEVER wrote something untrue here. If you don't know FutureOS like me, then you should ask first, instead of flaming around. I'm very sorry that you can't be objective. [[TFM]] :::: Somehow his stamina There is impressive - or lets say very psycho. I think no one else would "fight" so hard for a 15 years old and completely outdated project today even in the retro scenebad intention, as it is one no lack of the worst software examples of the old days. Regarding the "truth"interrest, even the actual article is not true and the first one was just a cheeky piece of advertisement. Please have a look at the new version, it could be a better base. Sad that this strange guy with his bizarre bunch of routines is the but my day only one, who behaves negative in the CPCWiki. - [[User:Rode]] Ahh.. and GO get a WIKI-Account instead of posting the shit anonymous its NOT SO HARD, it DOESNT HURT and it will HELP others to see your GOOD WILL (or your willy) [[User:Kangaroo|Kangaroo MusiQue of HJT]] 19:25, 5 September 2006 (CEST) : Finally he found out, how to create an account. But it seems, that he still has to learn a lot of more things, like the behaviour in talk pages etc. It's interesting, that this is the only problematic article in the whole wiki, but as I could see it was always the same with this person in the CPC history. As we know, that he will rollback the article into its original advertisement form, it shouldn't be unlocked for sure. I wrote a more objective version of the article some days ago, and I will suggest it shortly. [[User:Rode|Rode]] See [[FutureOS/Suggestion1]] Dear Rode don't talk about behaviour, because yours is pretty bad. As bad as your suggestion about the FutureOS article.It is known that you don't like FutureOS, this is the reaseon why this article is problematic. Now we have the same problems here like in german Wikipedia before 36 hours ;- thanks to you! I would greatly apprecialte if you could leave us here. Only without you it is possible to make this article better, this would help us all. If you have personal problems with FutureOS (or me) then this here is NOT the place for your personal war. [[TFM]]
